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Why isn't Narcissa Malfoy a DE?, If Bellatrix is, why not her?
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post Apr 14 2005, 10:04 PM
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I've always wondered why isn't Narcissa a DE?  Her sister Bellatrix is, so it's not really a boys club.  If she were a DE wouldn't she have been mentioned during DE role call with LV in GoF?  I thought at first it was Lucius not wanting his wife to get her hands dirty, but I wonder why is it ok for Bellatrix and not her?  If this is something Lucius really believes in then wouldn't he be proud to have his wife be a DE?  I wonder if maybe she is the type who is for pure-bloods, but not really for all the killing.  She did tell her husband what Kreacher told her.  

I know JKR said we'd see more of her in book 6, I'm just wonder what the deal is with her.  Maybe she's not as evil as her husband, maybe she even fears him.  Since Draco has always appeared to be kinda a mama's boy, it makes me think that she has to have some tenderness and compassion.   :ponder:


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post Apr 14 2005, 10:07 PM
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Tenderness and Compassion....for some reason I doubt it.   Just because we haven't seen her in any clear role as DE doesn't mean she isn't one or isn't working for LV.  My gut says not to trust her!


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post Apr 14 2005, 10:23 PM
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post Apr 14 2005, 10:57 PM
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Perhaps it's because Narcissa is too self-absorbed to be interested in being a DE.  She probably believes in no cause but herself.  I've always pictured her as being extremely shallow--completely obsessed over clothing and possessions, and not much else.

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post Apr 14 2005, 11:05 PM
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We don’t know for sure if she isn’t. There were more DE at LV rebirthing than he spoke to.

GoF chapter 33
He walked on. Some of the Death Eaters he passed in silence, but he paused before others and spoke to them.


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post Apr 15 2005, 04:52 AM
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Yes - look also at the scene with Draco at the QWC:
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‘Where’re your parents?’ said Harry, his temper rising. ‘Out there wearing masks, are they?’
Malfoy turned his face to Harry, still smiling. ‘Well… if they were, I wouldn’t be likely to tell you, would I, Potter?’ (GoF9)

And then we know that Lucius was one of the ones wearing masks:
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'... Yet you never tried to find me, Lucius... your exploits at the Quidditch World Cup were fun...' (GoF33)

It's certainly not categoric, but one could imply that she is.

On the other hand, why would LV address Lucius but not Narcissa? Unless he thought that telling the man was telling the man's wife (a bit mysoginistic, but isn't that what LV can be?)

But, if they were together, shouldn't they have been next to each other? Like the Lestranges:
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'The Lestranges should stand here...' (GoF33)

And yet there is no space for Narcissa to be next to him:
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Voldemort now approached the man on Wormtail's right.
'Lucius...'(GoF33)

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... the space... which separated Malfoy and the next man [Lestranges]... (GoF)

So this somewhat disproves my above argument as to why she could be one! tongue.gif

As for why she isn't, some suggestions:
  • Husband won't let her - don't forget, that at the time, Malfoy would have been wanting an heir, so no good ruining the woman.
  • LV wouldn't have let her - but then, we argue, Bellatrix. IMO, Bellatrix is an exception - everyone else is male. Bellatrix must have done something dramatic to warrant LV's attention, and Narcissa wouldn't have done that.
  • Narcissa didn't want to - she wanted to have children, an heir, look after her baby (she would need to do this at the end), didn't want her arm to have some ugly big tattoo.
  • She came from the Black family, who although supportive, weren't wholly active. Maybe that is the stance she took?


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post Apr 15 2005, 05:05 AM
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If you take the Nazi analogy, most but not quite all women were considered to only be fit for Kinder, Küche und Kirche (Children, kitchen and church) they were seen as a method of producing the master-race.  This would also seem to be the same with the deatheaters.  Some (extraordinary - but not in a nice way) women actually made it into the inner circles but most are just breeders.  It would seem that Narcissa is/was one of the breeders.  Or, to put it another way, she may just be too thick!


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post Apr 15 2005, 05:13 AM
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On the other hand, why would LV address Lucius but not Narcissa? Unless he thought that telling the man was telling the man's wife (a bit mysoginistic, but isn't that what LV can be?)


I think this is actually very possible and would sit well with LV's character. Like Toujours Pur I see no concrete evidence that Narcissa Black is not a DE.


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post Apr 15 2005, 05:43 AM
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Really interesting discussion.

I think that Narcissia first time around was not an active death eater purely for the reason she would have had a baby under one years old to look after.

However, this time round she may well take more of an active role especially with her hubby incarcerated.

That seems to me to be the most plausible explanation.

But it has made me think about LV's thoughts on women.  I'll post something on that.


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post Apr 15 2005, 07:02 AM
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Well, i'd like to give Narcissia the benefit of the doubt. Harry described her in GoF as someone who would have been a very attractive person had it not been for the look of disgust on her face...maybe i got the wrong vibes from her, but to me it seemed that that statement showed that she wasn't always the way she is now. Maybe just because she married into a pure-blood obsessed LV supporting family doesn't mean she agrees with everything they're doing...
I dunno, in my opinion, Narcissia is not only defintely NOT a DE, but she was at one time a very sweet person...


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