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Quirrel and the Philospher's Stone at Hogwarts, Did Dumbledore set a trap?

secunda View Member Profile	Jan 2 2007, 10:09 AM Post #1
Gambol and Japes' Research Department Posts: 1,364 Joined: 9:49am November 10, 2006	hello, that´s what i was wondering about ever since i read in hbp that slughorn has connections to gringott´s how could quirrel break into the bank and come back out? why did he know that the philosopher´s stone was hidden there? does anyone else but me suspect that slughorn was involved? This post has been edited by Aislinn: Jan 2 2007, 07:44 PM -------------------- Molly for Minister Lupin is lovely you can only be weak, if you are allowed to be strong. my fanfic:Eileen´s Curse Detector Junk Shop For a girl from Slytherin loving Snape would not be the bad-guy-syndrom.

kaelgirl View Member Profile	Jan 2 2007, 10:18 AM Post #2
Eeylops Owl Cage Cleaner Posts: 236 Joined: 4:21pm December 28, 2006 Location: Stuck in a Fireplace with no Floo Powder left. sigh	I don't think that Slughorn was involved, but I think that Quirrel must've put some concealment charm on him and what he was doing. But I've always wondered how they could've gotten out if they had gotten the stone. The muggle world has tons of security in their banks, so I would think that Gringotts would have a lot, if not more. Luckily, they didn't get it.

davidenglish View Member Profile	Jan 2 2007, 10:24 AM Post #3
Official Singer of the Sorting Hat Song Posts: 6,422 Joined: 3:12pm July 22, 2005 Location: Lost in Hermione's beaded bag	Well, I'm sure there are Death Eaters in hiding everywhere. Including Gringotts. And Prof Quirrel isn't just anyone; he's the DADA teacher at Hogwarts and so would know about the only existing Philosopher's Stone as a matter of course. He would not know its exact whereabouts or how to get in and out of Gringotts, for that he'd need an insider. But then there must be members of the Order hidden everywhere. How else did Dumbledore know that someone was out to steal the Stone? Someone was obviously a little indiscreet in their inquiries. -------------------- Come the words that bubble Up through broken laughter, Sweeter than spring-water, "Gods, I am so happy!"

Rox7 View Member Profile	Jan 2 2007, 10:35 AM Post #4
Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 54 Joined: 9:18am October 25, 2006	QUOTE(davidenglish @ Jan 2 2007, 10:24 AM) [snapback]1049921[/snapback] Well, I'm sure there are Death Eaters in hiding everywhere. Including Gringotts. And Prof Quirrel isn't just anyone; he's the DADA teacher at Hogwarts and so would know about the only existing Philosopher's Stone as a matter of course. He would not know its exact whereabouts or how to get in and out of Gringotts, for that he'd need an insider. But then there must be members of the Order hidden everywhere. How else did Dumbledore know that someone was out to steal the Stone? Someone was obviously a little indiscreet in their inquiries. I don't think any death eater or member of the order have a role in that. It's many years after the downfall of Voldemort and his dead eaters think he is dead. And the order isn't active. At least, I really don't think it was. I have a kind of hypothesis. What if Voldemort could get out of Quirrel's body and get into places where only he can go because he don't really have a body, and then come back in Quirrell's body to tell him information? I think it could be a possibility. This post has been edited by Rox7: Jan 2 2007, 10:38 AM -------------------- http://etats-de-la-lune.blogg.org/

Crookshanks_Rock... Crookshanks_Rocks View Member Profile	Jan 2 2007, 10:56 AM Post #5
Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 99 Joined: 6:06pm December 24, 2006 Location: Crying because it's over, waaahhh!!	Maybe DD told him? It couldn't have been that. Maybe he overheard someone talking about it. That's a really good question. No, I don't think Slughorn was involved. Why would he help Quirell. Slughorn might not have known really who Quirell was except the DADA professor. -------------------- I finished Deathly Hallows in less than 36 hours and I cried when I finished. I luv Luna Lovegood!

davidenglish View Member Profile	Jan 2 2007, 11:31 AM Post #6
Official Singer of the Sorting Hat Song Posts: 6,422 Joined: 3:12pm July 22, 2005 Location: Lost in Hermione's beaded bag	I think it is generally known in the Wizarding world that Flamel has the only existing Philosopher's Stone. And, yes, Quirrell may have made direct enquiries as DADA professor to "understand" better. I doubt Voldemort can get about easily. But, although the Death Eaters may believe he's dead, Nott, Malfoy, Goyle etc are still free and active and most sympathetic to any cause that would defeat mudblood-lovers. That's how Quirrell might have put it. Slughorn is too remote at this point to speculate on. -------------------- Come the words that bubble Up through broken laughter, Sweeter than spring-water, "Gods, I am so happy!"

jammi567 View Member Profile	Jan 2 2007, 01:05 PM Post #7
Hiding in the Iron Maiden at Borgin and Burkes Posts: 328 Joined: 5:36pm November 18, 2006	i'm sure that LV might have knowledge of the Philosopher's Stone and it's whereabouts, from having read about it whilst on his search immortality. -------------------- "I could break out, of course, but what a waste of time, and frankly I can think of a whole host of things I'd rather be doing." "Well, it's just that you seem to be labouring under the delusion that I am going to - what is the phrase? - come quietly."

P4C View Member Profile	Jan 2 2007, 01:18 PM Post #8
Shopping for a New Firebolt Posts: 844 Joined: 9:18pm July 24, 2005	I honestly don't suspect slughorn at all. As for hwo Quirell knew where the stone was. I believe this was a natural product of his position at Hogwarts. We know that he helped setup the protections around the stone. Specifically that he setup the troll. Now, it seems clear that each prof who helped out in setting up the protections were instructed to keep their protections secret, and especially how to get past the protections. This does not mean they were unaware of what was being protected or why the stone was being moved to Hogwarts. I think that Quirell was working for LV when he was asked to setup protection for the stone. He then conculted with LV and it was decided that it would be easier to access the vault than to get past all of the protections at Hogwarts. It is conceivable that LV had previously dealt with a Gringotts break in, but there was almost certianly a great deal of planing involved, which is why they did not break in the moment the information about the stone was discovered. Fortunately the timing worked out that the break in happened just after the Stone was removed.

wasps View Member Profile	Jan 2 2007, 01:41 PM Post #9
Kibble Boy/Girl at the Magical Menagerie Posts: 297 Joined: 2:49pm June 11, 2005 Location: omaha, nebraska	Quirrell may have overheard Dumbledore speaking of it, or he may have had a chat with Flamel or even Dumbledore about it. As for knowing which vault it was in, I'm sure Gringott's has a directory of who keeps which vaults (I'm sure Hogwarts has more than one) Either it would be public or he could've stolen it. Another scenario, Quirrell could've just as easily veritaserum'd one of the goblin's or cursebreakers like Bill into seeing such a directory or simply finding someone who knew which vault. -------------------- "It was that kind of a crazy afternoon, terrifically cold, and no sun out or anything, and you felt like you were disappearing every time you crossed a road." -Holden Caulfield The Plug Collector < my wizard rock outfit

MonieLou View Member Profile	Jan 2 2007, 03:04 PM Post #10
Leaky's Resident Bibliophile Posts: 8,279 Joined: 5:01pm April 18, 2005 Location: Finding Neverland.	Going off of what david said, Quirrell would have known about the PS. It's in his line of business. And besides that, he had LV to help him. Although LV wasn't with him at the time when he went to retrieve the Stone, he could have gotten protection from an "insider" or something along those lines to help Quirrell out. -------------------- "I know who Harry Potter is. I just don't know who the other two are. Himmie and Roland?" "No, Grandma, Ron and Hermione."