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Chamber of Secrets Horcrux Hunt: The Diarycrux |
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 Feb 1 2007, 04:19 PM
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 Stargazing on the Astronomy Tower   Posts: 3,462 Joined: 8:04pm September 28, 2005 Location: Astronomy Tower    |
The Diarycrux With Chamber of Secrets we have our first confirmation of a Horcrux within the plot of the series. If the 7 books 7 Horcruxes theory is to be true then this book’s Horcrux is that of the Diary. Given to Lucius Malfoy for safekeeping Lucius uses it to cuase trouble at Hogwarts, he had no idea the full capacity of what that Diary could do. It is unknown exactly when the Diary was made, sometime after Tom Riddle had opened the Chamber and killed Mrytle. Was the Diary the first Horcrux made before getting the Ring? The soul piece that had come out of the Diary had the image of a 16 year old Riddle which gives us an idea of when the Diary was made a Horcrux. The Diary was unique as it was not just a collection of memories or a holder of a piece of soul but a combination of both. Using Ginny the Diary sought to become alive, in an almost Frankenstien way. --------------------  "We need metaphors of magic and monsters in order to understand the human condition."-Stephen Donaldson Check out Dungeons and Dragons Games Online! |
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Feb 2 2007, 03:56 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup  Posts: 20 Joined: 3:38pm October 14, 2006 Location: Russia |
I doubt that Tom's diary is a horcrux. At least it was not created by the death of Moaning Myrtle. She found herself in the tiolet by chance. Tom was not ready to create the horcrux at that moment. As far as we know no student or a teacher had died since Moaning Myrtle's death.
Besides. if Harry had been defeated in The Chamber what would have happened to the remaining part of the soul? Would they have been united and lived in ....... where? In Ginny's body? |
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Feb 2 2007, 04:25 PM
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 Official Singer of the Sorting Hat Song  Posts: 6,422 Joined: 3:12pm July 22, 2005 Location: Lost in Hermione's beaded bag |
QUOTE(fantazylover @ Feb 2 2007, 08:56 PM) [snapback]1085745[/snapback] I doubt that Tom's diary is a horcrux. At least it was not created by the death of Moaning Myrtle. She found herself in the tiolet by chance. Tom was not ready to create the horcrux at that moment. As far as we know no student or a teacher had died since Moaning Myrtle's death. Besides. if Harry had been defeated in The Chamber what would have happened to the remaining part of the soul? Would they have been united and lived in ....... where? In Ginny's body? This is an interesting question. Dumbledore does think it a work of intriguing dark magic. And you are quite right, it wasn't made a horcrux using Myrtle's death. Riddle hasn't yet learned how to make a horcrux. But the diary is a trophy and so he valued it highly and used it as a key to open the Chamber. There are great similarities between Chamber of Secrets and a fairytale called The Giant who had no heart in his body (link). It's a story of a giant who petrifies people and who cannot be killed because his heart (or soul) is outside his body and hidden. But the plucky hero, with the help of some talking animals, finds the hiding place and the giant is killed. This post has been edited by davidenglish: Feb 2 2007, 04:26 PM -------------------- Come the words that bubble
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Feb 2 2007, 05:29 PM
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Gambol and Japes' Research Department  Posts: 1,375 Joined: 3:41pm July 24, 2005 Location: The Time Room of the DoM, trying to find a way to slow down time  |
I definitely think the diary was the first Horcrux, but I'm not sure about if Myrtle was the death or not. I personally like that idea, but we just don't know enough about the procedure of creating a Horcrux, if you have to be prepared to create it when the murder is committed or not or if using a Basalisk counts as murder.
The ability of the Horcrux to become a Voldemort is terrifying, especially considering it involves conquering another person, in this case our dear Ginny. I'm curious as to if more than one Horcrux could do that at once. Would it be possible for seven Voldemorts to exist!? 
This post has been edited by nympheart: Feb 2 2007, 05:56 PM -------------------- "Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?"  Thanks for the use of the Garden image tanyal33! |
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Feb 2 2007, 05:53 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup  Posts: 41 Joined: 10:16am July 12, 2005 |
Personally, I think that the Diary is a Horcrux, but what I find very puzzling about this is that probably Riddle didn’t turn it a Horcrux until a bit later. He surely kept it as a trophy that proved his relationship with Salazar Slytherin or something, but I don’t remember exactly when Voldy asked Slughorn about the Horcruxes.
If the Diary is a Horcrux, when did Voldy turn it into it and who´s death did he use? If the Diary was made a Horcrux during his school year, then he must have used a non-important death, because Myrtle was killed by the Basilisk, not by Voldy(and no other important deaths were recorded up to what we know). But then again, Voldy set the Basilisk on her… does this count as a possible death to create a Horcrux, or does the death have to be directly inflicted upon the victim by the one wanting to make a Horcrux? Very confusing if you ask me… the Diary-Horcrux Theory is very puzzling. 
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 Feb 2 2007, 08:31 PM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper  Posts: 68 Joined: 2:01pm May 25, 2006 Location: Stratford, CT |
QUOTE(molly-coral @ Feb 2 2007, 05:53 PM) [snapback]1085936[/snapback] But then again, Voldy set the Basilisk on her… does this count as a possible death to create a Horcrux, or does the death have to be directly inflicted upon the victim by the one wanting to make a Horcrux? Very confusing if you ask me… the Diary-Horcrux Theory is very puzzling. hmm good point! i don't know that setting the basilisk on her would count. it doesn't seem like a strong enough kill to rip the soul. i could be wrong. we also don't know that it was set on her so much as a wrong place wrong time situation. I really don't think that the diary was turned into a horcrux until later. what year was voldy in when he asked slughorn about horcruxes??? i need to do some recearch. -------------------- SteffiLynn
PCAA: But I don't want to recover  I've got two sickles where's my S.P.E.W. badge Hermione!  |
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Feb 2 2007, 08:37 PM
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Eeylops Owl Cage Cleaner Posts: 228 Joined: 5:49pm October 7, 2005 Location: 93 Diagon Alley |
Um... sorry to refer to the wrong book, but I thought HBP made it crystal clear that the diary was a Horcrux before Harry killed the soul fragment in it?
I do agree, though, that Moaning Myrtle's death shouldn't be sufficient when creating a Horcrux, since she was killed by the Basilisk, not Riddle. However, the HP Lexicon timeline has the sequence nicely worked out: QUOTE(The Harry Potter Lexicon Master Timeline) circa May
Myrtle, a Hogwarts student, dies in a second floor bathroom after seeing the Basilisk (CS16) circa July Tom Riddle commits his first murders: his father and grandparents in their Little Hangleton mansion (HBP17) circa September Tom Riddle meets with Professor Slughorn and asks him about Horcruxes (HBP23) circa September Tom Marvolo Riddle creates his first Horcrux: the diary He uses the recent murders and the knowledge he gained from Slughorn to work the Dark Magic required to turn the diary into a Horcrux (HBP23). "I knew it wouldn't be safe to open the Chamber again while I was still at school. But I wasn't going to waste those long years I'd spent searching for it. I decided to leave behind a diary, preserving my sixteen-year-old self in its pages, so that one day, with luck, I would be able to lead another in my footsteps, and finish Salazar Slytherin's noble work" (CS17). Tom says that he placed his "sixteen-year-old self" into the diary (CS17), so he must have done it in the fall after the summer when he killed the Riddles and before he turned 17 at the end of December. His conversation with Slughorn where he learned about Horcruxes must have taken place after school started that September, so the timeframe for the creation of the diary Horcrux is between September and December, 1943. |
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Feb 2 2007, 08:53 PM
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Junior Dishwasher at The Leaky Cauldron  Posts: 626 Joined: 8:50pm July 7, 2005 Location: Columbus, MS |
Pretty sure that the diary has been well-established as a Horcrux, and unless we learn more in the final volume, it's most likely the first one we come across in the story. Is it the first one made? Hard to say.
Keep in mind that Riddle's talk with Slughorn is not significant because they discuss Horcruxes - reading between the lines, Riddle had already learned plenty about them before bringing up the subject. The conversation was significant because Riddle discussed the creation of more than one Horcrux. It's entirely possible that the first Horcrux was made before that meeting - with Riddle's tendency to use "landmark" killings for the Horcruxes, I'm thinking his father's murder may have been the first, with the ring possibly being the object used. Don't know if the soul fragment in all Horcruxes could be resurrected - and I doubt it. The diary was a special case in many ways, evidenced by the fact that it's the only Horcrux that was meant to be found and used. -------------------- Morsmordre
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Feb 3 2007, 02:22 AM
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WeasleyCast's Hostess With The Mostest Posts: 6,606 Joined: 2:44am February 20, 2006 Location: At The Burrow taking cooking lessons from Molly |
I think that one very important thing to remember about the diarycrux is that it really has 2 quite separate functions. The first function was to be used to open the CoS. How this works is that Tom had to enchant the diary so it could posess another person and then diary Tom could act through that person (in a similar way as a medium channels a spirit) and make that person do physical things (like speak parseltongue) to let the basilisk out. The second (and totally unrelated) function of the diary was for it to be one of his 6 horcruxes. I think a lot of people are confused and think that Tom's diary took over Ginny because it was a horcrux. This is a false assumption. The diary possessed Ginny because it was enchanted to and that had nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that it was a horcrux.
For instance, neither the ring, the cup nor the locket will have that kind of effect because the soul pieces are encased in an inanimate object. None of these items are capable of interacting with Harry or anyone else for that matter in the way that the diary was. I personally think that Tom made the diary at the end of his 5th year when he had to stop opening the CoS and made it into a horcrux sometime the following year after he killed his father and grandparents. -------------------- |
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Feb 3 2007, 04:01 PM
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Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 45 Joined: 4:40pm January 7, 2007 |
My thoughts exactly Sooner Gryffindor! Couldn't have said it any better.
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