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 May 31 2007, 02:49 PM
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 Monster Book Stacker   Posts: 357 Joined: 4:16am March 29, 2007 Location: Moscow  |
I'm curious what might have happened if Harry actually drank Veritaserum in Umbridge's office. He wouldn't be able to tell Umbridge where is Sirius Black because he wasn't 12GP's Secret Keeper, and he wouldn't tell her where is Dumbledore because he really didn't know.
What could Harry possibly say about Sirius' whereabouts in those circumstances? "He's in London"? -------------------- |
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May 31 2007, 03:40 PM
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WeasleyCast's Hostess With The Mostest  Posts: 6,606 Joined: 2:44am February 20, 2006 Location: At The Burrow taking cooking lessons from Molly  |
QUOTE(Spectre @ May 31 2007, 02:49 PM) [snapback]1235097[/snapback] I'm curious what might have happened if Harry actually drank Veritaserum in Umbridge's office. He wouldn't be able to tell Umbridge where is Sirius Black because he wasn't 12GP's Secret Keeper, and he wouldn't tell her where is Dumbledore because he really didn't know. What could Harry possibly say about Sirius' whereabouts in those circumstances? "He's in London"? Well, according to Snape, it was fake Veritaserum anyways, but I understand what you are asking. IMO, Harry would have been unable to tell Umbridge where Sirius was, but he would have been unable to deny knowing where he is if that makes any sense. So.... he would have confessed to knowing where Sirius was and possibly who the secret-keeper was, but without Dumbledore, there would have been no way for anyone to get the information out of him. -------------------- |
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 May 31 2007, 04:12 PM
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In Charge of Invisible Books of Invisibility  Posts: 1,170 Joined: 8:28am April 2, 2007 Location: Buying a new TARDIS  |
Maybe Harry could describe where the house is, such as "Sirius' parents house". If he oculd, what's to stop Umbridge and the ministry looking in records as to where this is, and then going there? Or would the whole secret-keeper thing prevent this?
I'm guessing as well that Harry could tell Umbridge quite a lot about the Order that she would find useful, such as Ministry of Magic employees who are in the Order. She could then go and spy on them, or sack them, or just generally make life difficult. 
-------------------- "Oh no, not again" -Bowl of Petunias The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy |
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May 31 2007, 05:47 PM
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Camping in the room of requirement   Posts: 1,484 Joined: 8:56pm August 11, 2005 Location: Enjoying the small peice of Fred and George's swamp at Hogwarts |
It is true Harry would have not been able to give info about DD (since he didn't know!), but I think he probably would have been able to at least say "Sirius is hiding out at London." He may have even been able to say that he was in his parents old house because that is not telling where the headquarters of the order is. This particular charm (sorry the name slips my mind at the moment) is a particularly confusing one and we don't have much info, but I'd say that Harry would have been able to give enough information for Umbridge to find Sirius. Thank God for Snape. . . lol
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Jun 2 2007, 05:33 AM
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Firebolt-Polisher at Quality Quidditch Supplies  Posts: 1,084 Joined: 7:06am July 24, 2006 Location: Slithering through the threads and topics... |
QUOTE(SoonerGryffindor @ May 31 2007, 09:40 PM) [snapback]1235162[/snapback] QUOTE(Spectre @ May 31 2007, 02:49 PM) [snapback]1235097[/snapback] I'm curious what might have happened if Harry actually drank Veritaserum in Umbridge's office. He wouldn't be able to tell Umbridge where is Sirius Black because he wasn't 12GP's Secret Keeper, and he wouldn't tell her where is Dumbledore because he really didn't know. What could Harry possibly say about Sirius' whereabouts in those circumstances? "He's in London"? Well, according to Snape, it was fake Veritaserum anyways, but I understand what you are asking. IMO, Harry would have been unable to tell Umbridge where Sirius was, but he would have been unable to deny knowing where he is if that makes any sense. So.... he would have confessed to knowing where Sirius was and possibly who the secret-keeper was, but without Dumbledore, there would have been no way for anyone to get the information out of him. Agreed, SoonerGryffindor. There is no way Umbridge could have got the exact location out of him, he could have said London but even that was not good enough for the Ministry, since London is a big place. And anyway it was fake Vertiaserum..but of course Harry did not know this. --------------------   "Still thinkin' of running, Jack? Think you can outrun the world? You know the problem with being the last of anything, by and by there be none left at all." -Hector Barbossa |
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Jun 2 2007, 10:16 AM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer  Posts: 126 Joined: 11:30am May 13, 2007 Location: The Burrow |
What I don't understand is - Why didn't Harry pretend to drink (like he did) but then tell Umbridge Sirius was somewhere completely different?
Anyway - That is a fair point, it would have made no difference whether Harry drunk it or not. And did Snape say it was fake? Must have missed that. --------------------    Personally, I'd have welcomed a dementor attack. A deadly struggle for my soul would have broken the monotony nicely. - Sirius Black |
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Jun 2 2007, 10:35 AM
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Monster Book Stacker Posts: 357 Joined: 4:16am March 29, 2007 Location: Moscow |
If Harry lied to Umbridge, it might have caused serious troubles to Snape.
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Jun 2 2007, 10:42 AM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie  Posts: 83 Joined: 7:44pm August 31, 2006 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina ^^ |
I agree with Spectre, it was best his way, and very lucky he saw Moody's eyes in the cat's to recognize the situation. Even if it was real Veritaserum, there is still a chance Harry would have been able to fight it, just as he can fight off the Imperius Curse.
-------------------- What do you do, when the one thing that you need to save your life, would also make life unbearable?
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 Jun 3 2007, 07:05 AM
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In Charge of Invisible Books of Invisibility Posts: 1,170 Joined: 8:28am April 2, 2007 Location: Buying a new TARDIS |
QUOTE(Lasher @ Jun 2 2007, 04:42 PM) [snapback]1237708[/snapback] Even if it was real Veritaserum, there is still a chance Harry would have been able to fight it, just as he can fight off the Imperius Curse. I can't remember where I got this from... but can't a wizard fight things like vertisaserum like they would legitamency (sp?) in which ase Harry might not be able to, seeing as he isn't very good at it? 
-------------------- "Oh no, not again" -Bowl of Petunias The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy |
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Jun 3 2007, 07:29 AM
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Monster Book Stacker Posts: 357 Joined: 4:16am March 29, 2007 Location: Moscow |
Harry was told by either Dumbledore or Slughorn in HBP that a skilled wizard can resist Veritaserum if he's prepared and has an antidote.
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