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Final Book: The Battle Of Hogwarts, *WARNING - CONTAINS SPOILERS*
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post Jan 12 2008, 08:03 PM
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Warning: This whole post is basically a spoiler in and of itself, I wouldn't recommend reading it unless you've either already read the final book or just want to know what happens.



For those who have already read the Final Book in the HP series, you would probably agree with my rough summary of what's happening in the Deathly Hallows:

Harry, Ron & Hermione are on the run after Bill & Fleurs wedding was crashed by Death Eaters. The three of them are camping out in a tent with protective charms around it, bearing in mind they should never stay stationary, and therefore, Dissaparating to a new camping spot every other day. All the while they're thinking of where Voldemort's Horcruxes could be.

Et cetera, et cetera..
(Didn't want to give away too much)

They decide to go back to Hogwarts to find one of the last Horcruxes to destroy it. Harry finds all his old friends in the Room of Requirement after crawling through a secret tunnel that he, Hermione & Ron came in from. Harry goes under the Invisibility Cloak with Luna Lovegood and they both go up to the Ravenclaw Tower in search of what Harry thinks is a Horcrux.

Blah, blah, blah..

They find the Horcrux somewhere else, but Harry consults his scar to find that Voldemort is on his way to Hogwarts, where they stand. Harry warns Professor McGonagall, who warns all the other teachers - and basically the whole school - and sends the younger students off to hide in the Leaky Cauldron and prepares the older students to help Hogwarts defend it's name in battle. The Order of The Phoenix, Ron's Family (which is an army in and of itself!) and (towards the end of the battle) The Centaur come to help Hogwarts students and staff alike kick some Death Eating butt!

This part is what I wanted to talk about.

I absolutely loved this part of the book, it was brilliant though somewhat depressive as so many well-loved characters lost their lives.

But I thought, to top it off, to ABSOLUTELY complete the series with flying colours...

Umbridge needed to come back and fight.

Haha, I don't know how many people would willingly support my theory (looking back at the fifth book) but gee, you gotta admit that would be a hell of a shock to readers! Umbridge taking sides with Hogwarts, and in extension, Dumbledore himself (she was at his funeral, after all!) alongside the Ministry of Magic would be brilliant! And to see her duel..

Well, share your opinion, will you?




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post Jan 12 2008, 08:52 PM
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you're right in the fact that it would be shocking however i despise delores umbridge so it made me mad when she had moody's eye at the ministry so i wouldn't have liked to see her benedict arnold face (in case the non- americans are reading this benedict arnold was a traitor to the americans in the american revolution period)


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post Jan 13 2008, 07:41 PM
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Umbridge lacks a few things needed to come and join the fight for Hogwarts.

1) GUTS is the first thing to come to mind. She's only brave if she's got big friends.

2) ABILITY TO GET ALONG WITH OTHERS is next. She hates centaurs, giants, thestrals, muggle-borns, goblins, house-elves, children ......etc.

3)PROPER ATTIRE is third. Pink stands out way too much! She'd be toast.No! We'ed have about as much chance of seeing Umbridge at the battle for Hogwarts as Grawp does of getting inside Hagrid's hut. lol.gif

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post Jan 14 2008, 04:16 AM
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The changes were higher she would battle alongside the DE.


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post Jan 14 2008, 06:39 AM
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QUOTE(Gllysa @ Jan 14 2008, 09:41 AM) *
3)PROPER ATTIRE is third. Pink stands out way too much! She'd be toast.No! We'ed have about as much chance of seeing Umbridge at the battle for Hogwarts as Grawp does of getting inside Hagrid's hut. lol.gif


LOL! That was a good one Gllysa. Yes, that is very true. Just like the British in the American Revolution, Umbridge and her hot pink attire would stick out like a thumb in the crowd. She has too many enemies to go out into battle...she may be "evil" but she isn't dumb- at least, that dumb. She wouldn't risk her own life to go into battle like that when she is conscious of her many enemies. That would be walking to her death...something I am sure Umbridge would NOT do.


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post Jan 14 2008, 09:08 AM
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My impression was Delores Umbridge was a horrible evil person without also being a Death Eater. They may have taken advantage of her native evil but she was not on their team, so to speak.

Or do you think she would be fighting to defend Hogwarts? I don't see her fighting for either side. I think Delores was out for Delores.

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post Jan 15 2008, 01:54 AM
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QUOTE(TeaWithSnape @ Jan 14 2008, 11:08 PM) *
My impression was Delores Umbridge was a horrible evil person without also being a Death Eater. They may have taken advantage of her native evil but she was not on their team, so to speak.

Or do you think she would be fighting to defend Hogwarts? I don't see her fighting for either side. I think Delores was out for Delores.

KT

Me too. I think Dolores Umbridge was a lone player: one that plays to her own benfits, no matter what side. That's what makes her so "evil." Her "conscience" plays no role in her decision making: only her own desires and her own benefits.


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post Jan 15 2008, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(TeaWithSnape @ Jan 14 2008, 10:08 AM) *
My impression was Delores Umbridge was a horrible evil person without also being a Death Eater. They may have taken advantage of her native evil but she was not on their team, so to speak.

Or do you think she would be fighting to defend Hogwarts? I don't see her fighting for either side. I think Delores was out for Delores.


Umbridge was pretty proud of her Selwyn heritage.
and one of the Death-Eaters was named Selwyn.
she seemed most content when she was working
on behalf of Voldemort - suppressing creative youngsters
at Hogwart's, interrogating half-bloods in a Voldemort-
dominated Ministry.

admittedly, we never find out that she had a Dark Mark.

i wonder what she did with the "to be punished" note
that she put on Harry's picture ?

she was painted as a person who goes along with the
crowd, succumbs to peer pressure, etc.

i better not say which American presidential candidate
she reminds me of.


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post Jan 15 2008, 03:38 PM
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I think Umbridge is the type that would sit the war out and then side with whomever came out victorious. We see that she sides herself with power, even though she is weak (imo) on her own.
No, I don't think she would have fought on either side, but tucked herself safely away and waited to declare her allegiance to the winners.


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post Jan 20 2008, 06:45 PM
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Haha, I think if Umbridge came back to fight, even on the Hogwarts side, almost all the students would try to harm her in many ways.

I'm still trying to figure out for myself what side she was on, good, evil, or neutral. I tend towards neutral in the 5th book, and then swaying to the evil side in book 7 when we see her at the ministry carrying out the muggle-born trials. Anyone else have any ideas?


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