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Madame Maxime, Wherefore Art Thou ?, Why wasn't Madame Maxime at Bill & Fleur's Wedding ? |
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  Jan 27 2008, 05:35 PM
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i have wondered since the second time i listened to
the book, why wasn't Madame Maxime at Bill & Fleur's
wedding ?
the first time i listened to it, it was overwhelming.
so many plot points.
it was so logical for her to be at the wedding. she
had been to Hogwart's for Dumbledore's funeral. i
think she gave Hagrid a hug then, or maybe they
just sat next to each other at the funeral. something
indicating that they were still a romantic couple.
i can think of 2 reasons why she wasn't at the wedding -
* when JKR wrote it that way, it just "wouldn't write",
if that makes any sense. she tried to include Madame
Maxime in her earlier drafts, but it somehow complicated
the plot or maybe the creative process more stressful &
less fun, so Madame Maxime had to go.
* i'm not sure what transportation she has available.
she uses the Super-Size horse & carriage house to get
to the funeral, i think. but that was at Hogwart's, way
at in the country. maybe there was no way to maintain
Wizarding Secrecy & travel to the wedding.
i don't remember, in Goblet of Fire, if Madame Maxime
favors Fleur, the way the Durmstrang Headmaster shows
an obvious preference for Victor, even before his name
is picked to be a Champion. But MM seems close to Fleur ...
i would expect her to be at the wedding of a favorite
student.
plus, from a plot point of view, there was lot of potential
for entertainment. her travel with Hagrid to Giant land,
and her defense of them when they have to fight for
their lives, her use of the Conjunctivitis spell, she seemed
like a growing member of the cast, from Goblet of Fire to
Half Blood Prince.
then, in Deathly Hallows, she is completely gone from
the script.
why ? what happened to Madame Maxime ?
This post has been edited by SwimmingLee: Jan 27 2008, 05:35 PM
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Jan 27 2008, 06:38 PM
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Excuse me for saying so, SwimmingLee, but I can't imagine why Madame Maxime would be at Fleur and Bill's wedding. Who would invite her?
Oh sure, Hagrid and MM had a little thing going in GoF and she did accompany him to where the giants were in OoP, but then she left. And went back to her duties as Headmistress, one presumes. There really was no future between her and Hagrid (despite all the shipping in fandom). They are just too different.
So, hagrid would not invite her to the wedding as his date.
I guess one could say that Fleur could have invited her old Headmistress to her wedding, but how many Muggles invite their high school principle to their weddings? Darned few, I should say.
Of course, Madame Maxime went to Dumbledore's funeral. You could see from their interaction in GoF that the two heads of magical schools have enjoyed a long and amiable relationship. (Dumbly-dore. hee-hee)
For that matter, neither Bill nor Fleur invited any of their former teachers to their wedding. Just members of the Order, some friends, and a lot of relatives (on both sides).
Laura
This post has been edited by Laura W: Jan 27 2008, 06:39 PM
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Jan 28 2008, 09:13 AM
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as far as i can remember, the arc of their relationship, Hagrid & Madame
Maxime i mean, is that it starts out with them meeting & going to the
big Dance in the Tri-Wizard year, and her getting upset when he broaches
the subject of half-giants.
then he makes a comment about, "you can't trust any of them", one
time when Harry visits his cabin, in the Goblet of Fire.
but they do reconcile their differences. Harry visits again, and there
are dishes on the table, indicating a recent visit by Madame Maxime.
then they go camping together for a month, looking for giants. at the
beginning of Order of the Phoenix.
Given that there are not a lot of half-giants - they are the only 2 we meet
in the Wizarding world - i would say the likelihood of them continuing
the relationship is pretty good, even if we don't read about the details.
i'd have to listen to it again, but when Madame Maxime arrives for
the funeral, i'm pretty sure Hagrid gives her a big hug. Admittedly,
that might be partially to comfort each other, in grieving over Dumbledore's
death, but, then again, that ability to bring comfort to each other is
what makes them friends. it's also one of the first times we see Ron
and Hermione hug each other, when he is sitting next to her at the
funeral.
if i was Madame Maxime, i would say, " 'Agrid, we get you a new suit."
that brown suit sounds embarassing.
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Jan 28 2008, 10:20 AM
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SwimmingLee, I appreciate that you are obviously a romantic, and I think that's lovely. I really do. Far preferable to being a cynic.
However, in my copy of HBP there is no mention of Hagrid and MM hugging at the funeral. From Chapter The White Tomb, p. 597 (Raincoast), listing those at the funeral: "An extraordinary assortment of people had already settled into half the chairs: shabby and smart, old and young. Most Harry did not recognize, but there were a few that he did ... Then there was Madame Maxime, who took up two-and-a-half chairs on her own ..." That was the only mention of her name in that chapter, or in that book for that matter. hagrid was sitting with Grawp. "Hagrid sat down next to his half-brother and Grawp patted Hagrid hard on the head, so that his chair legs sank into the ground."
Maybe Hagrid and MM send each other a friendly note by owl mail once in a while though. (Smile)
LW
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Jan 28 2008, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(George Weasley's Girlfriend @ Jan 28 2008, 12:09 PM)  I think I remember that Harry saw MM arriving for DD funeral and that she got out of the carriage and ran into Hagrid's waiting arms.
You are quite right. I missed that.
Odd, then, that she wouldn't have sat with Hagrid during the funeral, isn't it? Actually, I think Jo deliberately did that. She had Hagrid sit with his half-brother Grawp, rather than with the woman who he was never going to hook-up with. JKR was telling us all - especially the shippers - something, I guess. In a post-DH interview she said that Hagrid and MM never got married. (I can easily find the quote if anyone wants it.) She said they were just too different.
I suppose Hagrid could have invited MM to the wedding, "as a friend" (as Harry would say). But I think Jo was finished with that character and saw no need to reintroduce her in Book Seven.
As to Madame Maxime coming and fighting Voldemort in that final battle at Hogwarts, I'm thinking that Jo primarily sees LV as a British villain who will destroy the Muggle and WW in the United Kingdom if he triumphs; and she wanted to have the final showdown to be an all-British fight of good against evil.
(The foreigner Krum had to be there at the wedding to tell Harry - and us - all about that symbol Xeno Lovegood had around his neck, and Grindlewald's connection with it. Besides, he got to say one of my favourite lines in DH, "Vot is the point of being an international Quidditch player if all the good-looking girls are taken?" I don't know why, but that line always cracks me up. His presence also reminded us of the extent of Ron's jealousy: something that, of course, would be significant later on.)
Laura
This post has been edited by Laura W: Jan 28 2008, 03:07 PM
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Jan 28 2008, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE As to Madame Maxime coming and fighting Voldemort in that final battle at Hogwarts, I'm thinking that Jo primarily sees LV as a British villain who will destroy the Muggle and WW in the United Kingdom if he triumphs; and she wanted to have the final showdown to be an all-British fight of good against evil.
(The foreigner Krum had to be there at the wedding to tell Harry - and us - all about that symbol Xeno Lovegood had around his neck, and Grindlewald's connection with it. Besides, he got to say one of my favourite lines in DH, "Vot is the point of being an international Quidditch player if all the good-looking girls are taken?" I don't know why, but that line always cracks me up. His presence also reminded us of the extent of Ron's jealousy: something that, of course, would be significant later on.)
I agree with most of what you said Laura, however, I don't understand why JKR would impress upon us the importance for international magical cooperation then have none in book 7. MM went with Hagrid on an errand for DD that had direct influence on the coming war with LV. She was very much aware of what was going on. And lent her help to the matter even when LV was meant to be a mainly England wizarding community problem. LV's reach doesn't end on that island if he takes over. We saw how he took over the miniastry in book 7 and that could have had direct consquences for other wizarding communities around the world. I think including MM in the las book just a little more even if it wasn't as Hagrid's love interest but just his friend would have kept one of the messages JKR was trying to drive home a bit in the series.
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