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Dumbledore and teaching appointments, Poor judgement. No other choice??
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post Mar 4 2008, 08:43 PM
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We all know that DD was the greatest wizard of the age but how desperate was he to fill the job of DaDa in CoS. We know that MoM didnot thrust Lockhart on him as they did Umbridge. But he must have known that Lockhart was abit of a fraud and how could he let this man be in charge of the subject when he was so inept at basic spells. How did the OWL and NEWT students fare under his tutledge, there mustnot have been many/no practical lessons.

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I'd say, no other choice. People thought it was jinxed by then. Quirrell had just died. No one wanted it. Lupin and Moody both took the job as a favor to Dumbledore. Then came Umbridge when Dumbledore had no one else to ask.


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In CoS, Harry and Hagrid have a conversation about Lockheart being the DADA teacher. Hagrid said there wasn't anyone at the time available to fill the position. I am sure Dumbledore must have wanted someone better qualified than Gilderoy biggrin.gif The fact that the position was jinxed didn't help matters.

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post Mar 4 2008, 10:02 PM
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i do not think he made bad choices. i think each one served a purpose at the time. Fake Moody aka barty crouch jr (uh oh how do i insert spoiler alert?) outed himself and gave some important info only he knew. real Moody would have been great. Lupin rocked. He had not choice with Umbrage. Ok i have no idea what purpose gilderoy Lockhart served other than comic relief...


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post Mar 5 2008, 12:09 AM
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Lupin was great as a classroom teacher, poor on the responsibility for children in his care aspect. He did not reveal that wanted criminal Sirius Black was an Animagus and may have been using this talent of his to enter the castle (or his knowledge of secret passages).

Other less than stellar choices of teachers: Trelawney - needed Dumbledore's protection. Snape - was kept for protection and supervision. Hagrid - was given the job mostly as a personal favor, I bet Grubbly-Plank could have been hired full time with no problems. Binns - well, his salary is cheap (but is there a hidden agenda - does Dumbledore want to keep most kids ignorant of wizarding history? Or does he not want them to learn Bathilda Bagshot's version of it?)
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post Mar 5 2008, 01:46 AM
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The appointment of teachers is certainly an interesting issue, because you do rather wonder what the Board of Governors is doing - and indeed, what role they play at all in the school. You'd think that someone like Lucius Malfoy would be angling to have History of Magic taught 'properly', and maybe to get rid of people like Trelawney. He certainly made every effort to get rid of Hagrid after Draco's injury!

Were the Governors aware of the jinx on the DADA position? What were they told about the constant procession of teachers? You'd certainly love to know what cover stories were put out after the death of Quirrell, and the 'unfortunate accident' to Lockhart! And after Remus Lupin was outed by Snape at the end of POA, it's a wonder that Dumbledore was allowed to hire anyone as a teacher, given the fear and loathing about werewolves. I can't imagine that too many parents were happy about exposing their children to such a person for a year.

Snape is an interesting case. Clearly he is an expert in Potions, and is therefore well qualified professionally, but he is not an ideal teacher by any means. From what we see of Snape, he doesn't appear to enjoy teaching at all, and - as we find out later in the books - he took the post only as a favour to Dumbledore, and because of his own debt / guilt as regards Lily. Someone of his abilities could undoubtedly find work elsewhere.

Apart from the steady procession of DADA teachers, the staff at Hogwarts seem to be dedicated teachers, quite settled in their roles, and many have been there since MWPP time or even before that. McGonagall, Flitwick, Poppy and Binns were all there with MWPP; Hagrid was an assistant to Professor Kettleburn, who'd also been CoMC teacher for many years. We don't know about people like Hooch, Vector, Sinistra, Charity Burbage, etc, but there is no reason to think that those teaching positions changed very much. Trelawney has been there since 1980 (she was applying for the job when Snape overheard her prophecy), so she too has been there for a long while, and apparently no one has seen fit to demand her replacement.

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QUOTE(Alkari @ Mar 5 2008, 01:46 AM) *
The appointment of teachers is certainly an interesting issue, because you do rather wonder what the Board of Governors is doing - and indeed, what role they play at all in the school. You'd think that someone like Lucius Malfoy would be angling to have History of Magic taught 'properly', and maybe to get rid of people like Trelawney. He certainly made every effort to get rid of Hagrid after Draco's injury!

Were the Governors aware of the jinx on the DADA position? What were they told about the constant procession of teachers? You'd certainly love to know what cover stories were put out after the death of Quirrell, and the 'unfortunate accident' to Lockhart! And after Remus Lupin was outed by Snape at the end of POA, it's a wonder that Dumbledore was allowed to hire anyone as a teacher, given the fear and loathing about werewolves. I can't imagine that too many parents were happy about exposing their children to such a person for a year.

Snape is an interesting case. Clearly he is an expert in Potions, and is therefore well qualified professionally, but he is not an ideal teacher by any means. From what we see of Snape, he doesn't appear to enjoy teaching at all, and - as we find out later in the books - he took the post only as a favour to Dumbledore, and because of his own debt / guilt as regards Lily. Someone of his abilities could undoubtedly find work elsewhere.

Apart from the steady procession of DADA teachers, the staff at Hogwarts seem to be dedicated teachers, quite settled in their roles, and many have been there since MWPP time or even before that. McGonagall, Flitwick, Poppy and Binns were all there with MWPP; Hagrid was an assistant to Professor Kettleburn, who'd also been CoMC teacher for many years. We don't know about people like Hooch, Vector, Sinistra, Charity Burbage, etc, but there is no reason to think that those teaching positions changed very much. Trelawney has been there since 1980 (she was applying for the job when Snape overheard her prophecy), so she too has been there for a long while, and apparently no one has seen fit to demand her replacement.


I think the only one who knew for certain that the DADA post was jinxed was DD; everyone else was just paranoid (although for good reason!).

I don't think the Governers had any say in who teaches - only in who is Headmaster/mistress. OW, people like Lupin and Moody would not likely have been chosen.

I absolutely agree that personality-wise, Snape was not fit to be a teacher. He is far too biased on way or another, and does not seem to give fair learning opportunities to everyone.

Also, what's MWPP?


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MWPP = Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs.


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QUOTE(Eir de Scania @ Mar 5 2008, 06:39 AM) *
MWPP = Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs.


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I just think that if DD had revealed that it was LV himself who jinxed the DADA teaching job then no one would ever even consider applying for the job and he just allowed the jinx theory to flow. I think Hagrid mentions once to Harry that the job is jinxed, but I believe DD only told Harry and a few others the whole story.


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