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 Mar 16 2008, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE(maatjeHP @ Mar 16 2008, 05:43 PM)  I was re-reading book 1, and in the first chapter Dumbledore was talking to McGonagal, he told her, after she said "you-know-who" that she should call him at his proper name..... than he said "voldemort"......
but the proper name is Tom Riddle, Mc-Gonagal might not have known that, but Dumbledore knew and said it every time he spoke to him.... through out the books.
He told voldemort he would always be Tom Riddle to him....
So why didn't he said the proper name to Mc-Gonagall???
And with that why didn't Harry use that name, when the Taboo was in, ron and hermiony would have known who he was talking about??? I think Dumbledore used Voldemort's name in general because few would know who who he meant if he used the name Tom Riddle (and of course this is convenient for the author because she doesn't want the reader to know Tom Riddle became Voldemort until the end of book 2). Harry was used to saying Voldemort, and he broke the taboo by saying it without thinking, so it wasn't something he could have planned to avoid (and for all he knew "Tom Riddle" could be tabooed as well).
QUOTE(Shampoo4Snape @ Mar 16 2008, 09:23 PM) Sicne book 7 I've thought people said you-know-who, he-who-must-not-be-named or Dark Lord because the name was tabooed in VWI so people got used to not saying it, and then were afraid of doign so again after he was vanished. That to my mind is unlikely, because if it was known to have been tabooed in the past, it wouldn't have caught out people like Kingsley the second time around. I also think Voldemort needed control of the Ministry to succeed in tabooing the name.
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Mar 16 2008, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE(lirene @ Mar 16 2008, 07:49 PM) Control of the Ministry, as you point out roonwit, seems necessary for establishing the taboo. Which department would take care of this? Would it be the same department that took care of the Trace?
That seems most likely, because in both cases, the actual culprit is not identified (they didn't know that Dobby used the Hovering Charm, or that Harry said the name).
On a related note: can anyone think of a reason why Harry wasn't accused of the Disillusionment Charm Moody put on him/lifted from him, or the cleaning/packing charms Tonks used in his room in OotP? Yes, this was magic performed by adults, but unless I misunderstood the Trace's power, what it does is detect magic performed around an underage wizard.
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Mar 16 2008, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE(roonwit @ Mar 16 2008, 08:30 PM) I am not so sure that the Ministry would cast the taboo directly, they just needed to turn a blind eye to such magic that most likely they would be able to detect and counter otherwise.
If that's the case, then LV would have had to do it himself; possible, but not altogther likely considering how little he was personally involved with the Ministry take-over. The Taboo is undoubtedly a very powerful and complex form of magic, and one I would not expect LV's cronies to be capable of. The only DEs with enough skill to manage it are Bellatrix (who, as far as I could tell, didn't have much of a hand in controlling the Ministry) and Snape, who wasn't even a DE at heart, and also had no focus on LV's Ministry-related plans.
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Mar 16 2008, 11:23 PM
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To agree with Roonwit, I think that the simplest answer to this question is that revealing LV's true name in the first chapter of SS/PS would have interfered in the plot of CoS. Deeper however, I think that the name people feared was Voldemort, not Tom Riddle. The reason Dumbledore used LV's given name whenever he came into contact with him was, in my mind, a control issue. It gave Dumbledore the upper hand when he refused to play by LV's rules. Harry picked this up by calling him Tom during the final battle. LV no longer held any power over him, just as he held no power over Dumbledore. The name Voldemort was used to instill fear. By encouraging McGonagall to use it, Dumbledore was encouraging her not to give into the fear of a name. It was not the name "Tom Riddle" that she was afraid of; it was Voldemort.
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