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 Mar 25 2008, 01:28 AM
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As far as I can recall, we also don't know when Snape actually became Head of Slytherin.
We know McGonagall, Flitwick and Poppy Pomfrey were on the school staff when Snape and MWPP were at school, and we know that Trelawney only started there after making the Prophecy, but we really don't know anything about the history of other staff members, nor indeed their Houses (we know Sprout is Head of Hufflepuff, but we don't know how long she's been at Hogwarts). I think it's unlikely that Snape immediately became head of Slytherin when he started teaching, unless there was no other staff member from Slytherin at the time. And it would have been rather awkward from him to be Head of House immediately, because the senior students at that time would have been kids who'd been junior students when Snape was still at school.
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Mar 25 2008, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE actually get the impression that Snape did have a positive influence on Slytherin house - it least as far as respect goes. He favoured them, but it wasn't to the same extent as the Dursleys with Dudley. He knew where to draw the line; it's just that the line was in a slightly different place for Snape.
You consider blatant abuse of his position (James didn't have a position of respect, authority and trust, Lupin did.) to bully, browbeat young people, make fun of the Muggle-born girl as having a positive influence on young people who are already taught that they are superior? Care to eleborate?
Where are the lessons of respect, tolerance, patience, fairness, self restraint? He reprimands Harry for helping Neville, and Hermione for helping him. He ignores accomplishment of Hermione, and there was no reason for Draco or any Slytherin to think he did this because Hermione was Harry's friend or Gryffindor, but because Hermione was Muggle-born.
And did he favor his students? Not if one student was setting his robes on fire and he doesn't stop to help him, but ignores him to browbeat Harry who made a less dangerous mistake.
QUOTE Not that teachers are not strong people and do not achieve greatness, but it is a different kind of "greatness" than the Slytherin quality because it is something in which you devote your life to sharing with others rather than improving you own status. Yet one of the first things Voldemort does when he returns is try to get a job teaching DADA at Hogwarts.
QUOTE And it would have been rather awkward from him to be Head of House immediately, because the senior students at that time would have been kids who'd been junior students when Snape was still at school. Interesting--do they remember Snape as Sirius does, notorious for his love of the Dark Arts and hanging around people who became Death Eaters. Young Slytherins may have had a different view of this young Professor--especially if they think like Draco: "It's all an act.."
This post has been edited by Maime the Hunter: Mar 25 2008, 10:48 AM
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Mar 25 2008, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE Snape knew his stuff, he demanded results and if you didn't show good results why should he pamper any of the children? Mcgonagall didn't pamper her students in class either. Praising a student--Hermione--for doing well and encouraging others to better is pampering or favoring her students. But she didn't berate them , bully them, or ignore them, except Neville when his actions put everyone's life in danger. Harry noted she was fair.
QUOTE Snape knew his stuff, he demanded results and if you didn't show good results why should he pamper any of the children?
But Snape does pamper Draco, praise Draco and he ignores the rest of his students. He praises Draco, ignores Hermione except when she speaks up, brow beats Harry and Neville, ridicules Ron, and says absolutely nothing to the other students. He doesn't "help" them. He knows his stuff--so what? Flitwick not the head of Gryffidor. He's quite taken with Hermione's successes.
He doesn't seem to mind Crabbe or Goyle's clumsiness, and toally ignores Dean and Seamus. If a student's robes are on fire because the teacher sounds like neglect to me.
He's there to teach;, Is teaching an opportunity to share one's knowledge or an opportunity for an adult show disdain towards his students because they don't know what he the teacher knows. And with Snape teaching was added opportunity for him to get back at the children of people he didn't like in school.
QUOTE Voldemort wanted to use his position to teach the Dark Arts and recruit students. All of this was for his own agenda; he wasn't doing it for the good of the students.
Snape has no interest, as we can see with Hermione, in his students doing well in class or learning potions. He asked for the teaching job initially because the Dark Lord told him to. Dumbledore gave Snape the teaching job because that was the best way to keep an eye on his activities, after having vouched for Snape's repentence. There is some question whether he wanted to teach anything--especially as we now know that Jo did indeed tell Alan Rickman more about Snape than she told anyone else.
Snape doesn't reprimand Harry or Neville to help them. He doesn't care whether they do well or nor take any pleasure in teaching as shown when he is silent when Hermione creates perfect potions. He reprimands Harry and Neville because he can get away with it. And Draco and the other students are no dummies. They know exactly what Snape is doing. Since he has to be there--teaching potions--he might as well make the most of the job. Does he encourage excellence and discovery in his class. No, he's makes the most of his position by finding any excuse to take points from Gryffindor.
This post has been edited by Maime the Hunter: Mar 25 2008, 12:11 PM
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Mar 25 2008, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE(Maime the Hunter @ Mar 25 2008, 11:44 AM)  QUOTE actually get the impression that Snape did have a positive influence on Slytherin house - at least as far as respect goes. He favoured them, but it wasn't to the same extent as the Dursleys with Dudley. He knew where to draw the line; it's just that the line was in a slightly different place for Snape. You consider blatant abuse of his position (James didn't have a position of respect, authority and trust, Lupin did.) to bully, browbeat young people, make fun of the Muggle-born girl as having a positive influence on young people who are already taught that they are superior? Care to eleborate?
Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear the first time. I know perfectly well that Snape is a git to anyone who's not in his own house, but for people who are, he's much more tame. I thought your argument was that Snape is merciless to all students in Hogwarts, including the Slytherins, and that was this notion that I didn't entirely agree with. As you say in a later post, he pampers Draco in particular, as well as anyone on the Quidditch team, so I get the impression he shows favouritism to all Slytherins, and I think the Slytherins respect him accordingly.
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Mar 25 2008, 12:16 PM
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but for people who are, he's much more tame. Edited. I wasn't sure you meant Tame or time. Yes he was kinder to Slytherins, but he also ignores them. If he is impatient with clumsiness shouldn't it extend to all of the class. He bullies Neville because Neville is bully fodder. He knows Neville is clumsy but wans to succeed. He knows Neville is timid. He could care less if Neville learns potions or not. He gets his jollies from making the boy squirm because it makes him feel powerful.
When have we ever seen Snape take time with his students? When is there some suggestion of this. The very first and only time we see Snape taking "time" with his Slytherin students, is his unsuccessful attempt to get Draco to confide in him and going after Montague when he was found. According to Snape he had summoned Draco for over three months to his office and was ignored.
For example, he encourages Draco to make the Snake to threaten Harry, but he steps up and volunteers to get rid of the Snake. Draco made the Snake--let Draco, claim his victory and be the gentleman and get rid of it. Snape didn't help Draco for Draco's benefit in the Duel, but so he (Snape) could have the benifit of "saving" Harry from the snake.
This post has been edited by Maime the Hunter: Mar 25 2008, 12:26 PM
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