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If Snape became a secret keeper, why didn't he tell Voldemort the location of Grimmauld Place?
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post May 5 2008, 03:31 AM
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As stated in Deathly Hallows, everybody who knew about location of Grimmauld Place became a secret keeper after Dumbledore's death. So why didn't Snape tell this to Voldermot?


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post May 5 2008, 07:34 AM
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As we found out Snape was trying to keep Harry safe. So he probably knew Grimmauld Place would be the one safe place he could go.Not to mention with DD sitting directly behind his desk to influence his decisions,It only makes sense for Snape not to tell but keep his oath as a Phoenix member. sleep.gif


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post May 5 2008, 12:55 PM
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Maybe Snape did tell Voldemort. The key thing for Snape to try to ensure is that no-one would put two and two together and work out the secret he is keeping is protecting somewhere that Harry might be hiding. Telling Voldemort wouldn't automatically be dangerous for Harry, because Voldemort leaves the hunt for Harry to his death eaters and the Ministry, and they still wouldn't know the secret.


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post May 5 2008, 03:02 PM
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There were DEs hanging out in the square outside 12GP but no one of them entered until Hermione brought Yaxley in by mistake. This suggests they suspected something was going on in the area (perhaps the triggering of the Taboo on Voldemort's name) but they couldn't enter the house because they did not see it or know it was there. Had they known the mention of Voldemort's name was coming from 12GP they would have gone there, just like they went after Kingsley.

So the DEs not being able to locate the house until September 1st means that at least until then Snape did not tell the secret. Was that because Voldemort did not ask? Did Voldemort not know that as a result of Dumbledore's death Snape was now a Secret Keeper? Note that in the Spinner's End chapter Snape reminds Bellatrix that he was not the Secret Keeper for the Order. Did he avoid telling who the original Secret Keeper was, so that when Dumbleodre died nobody would consider that they could get the Secret from him?


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QUOTE(Oryx @ May 5 2008, 08:02 PM) *
So the DEs not being able to locate the house until September 1st means that at least until then Snape did not tell the secret.
Actually, it only means that those guarding 12GP weren't told the secret. So Snape could have told Voldemort (indeed he would have to if Voldemort asked), but he could have done it in such a way that Voldemort didn't think it important, for example he could say he went there and it had been deserted for some time with nothing useful left (it might even be true).


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post May 5 2008, 07:20 PM
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Plus, how soon did Mad Eye invoke the tongue-tying jinx? Or did that only work at 12GP?


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We know from other events in DH (namely the seven Potters incident) that Snape was very much working on the side of the Order throughout. For this reason, I doubt he would have ever divulged the location of the Order's headquarters. Not only was he trying to protect Harry, but we also see him working to protect Order members (missed Sectumsempra meant to protect Lupin from curse). We also know that his only purpose in returning to GP was to get the letter and picture of Lily.
Something that no one has mentioned yet, however, is that LV might not have been all that concerned with where headquarters was located. He would have known that the Order would have stopped using GP once the location was compromised, both by Dumbledore's death and by Snape's supposed betrayal. He knew who he was dealing with and that they knew what they were doing. He also knew that Hogwarts and the Ministry would soon be his, so the headquarters of the Order would not be that important, especially since it would have been vacated.


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post May 9 2008, 12:30 AM
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While the Order kept its headquarters at 12GP the Secret was stated as 'The Headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix may be found at number 12, Grimmauld Place, London'. Shortly after Dumbledore's death the Order moved its headquarters permanently from there. I wonder if at that time repeating the same sentence would still reveal the location, since the information is no longer true? Or perhaps Snape found a way to tell something very close to the secret, but in a way that did not 'take', so whoever heard it still couldn't see the place?

Edit: In the cafe Harry mentions Grimmauld Place (though not the full address and not that it used to be Order headquarters) in front of Dolohov, who at this point is immobilized but conscious. Yet Dolohov does not show up at 12GP during the month the trio stays there.

Edit again: Not only Snape became a Secret Keeper. Kreacher and Mundungus Fletcher were also Secret Keepers after Dumbledore's death. Both of them met Harry at 12GP. Perhaps Harry had reason to trust Kreacher, but it's hard to forget that Kreacher is attached emotionally to Narcissa and Bellatrix. And Mundungus might do anything for profit. Yet we don't see Harry take any means to prevent them from revealing his location. I wonder why the DEs didn't go after Mundungus?


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At the first place, I think Snape think that place is one of the safe place where Harry can hide and if I were a spy, I won't suggest a place where the otehr side had had so many activities. There might be some clues which might be in Voldemort's advantage. Even Snape took his chance to have a look in Lily's letter and there's where he showed his weakness (upon Lily). He really shouldn't had let Voldemort know that. Then for Kreacher and Fletcher. I think the Death Eater can't find Fletcher because just like Kreacher said, it's really hard to find someone like him. He can hide very well. For Kreacher, it's a close shave. Because, DEs might wanted to ask him. But as we can see, Death Eaters were not friendly much. They won't just be kind when they wanted information from you. They preferred forcing things out of you. These won't work on Kreacher, just like how Harry had finally treat him.


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QUOTE(Oryx @ May 9 2008, 12:30 AM) *
I wonder why the DEs didn't go after Mundungus?
Of course, we don't really know because it all happens off-page. But, my guess would be that Snape never told anyone that Dumbledore was the Secret Keeper, then his death wouldn't have changed anything in the minds of Voldemort and his Death Eaters.


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