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 Jul 3 2008, 10:34 AM
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Great thread lirene ! 
Hmm... the scar ... 
I did think correctly that Harry's scar was his connection of some sort with Voldemort, of course, I won't deny that I didn't think that it was the piece of Voldemort's soul that was the culprit then. Of cousre, I could say that now, but then I would run the risk of my nose growing longer. 
That early on, I don't think Voldemort realised the connection they had via the scar at least. The Riddle who came out of the diary certainly seemed to think he had a lot in common with Harry - which fact understandably gave Harry the creeps. But I don't think Voldemort realised then that there was more than met the eye with regard to the scar he had given Harry.
I'm sure Dumbledore had a well-formed suspicion that Voldemort had made Horcruxes because he didn't die when his own curse back-fired on him. He tells Harry later on that Harry himself had handed him the proof of the existence of multiple Horcruxes in COS. The word 'proof' seems to indicate that there was already suspicion and the remains of the diary confirmed his doubts on it.
I can say (with utmost confidence that my nose would become any longer)  that I did have a strong feeling Harry's scar was very important in some way even early on. Precisely what, dunno, but it had to be something important for Jo to have mentioned it particularly in the way she did over the series.
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 Jul 4 2008, 10:59 PM
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hey lirene,
hmm... interesting questions. ill try to answer all of them as best i can.
1. At the time, i knew it would have some significance because, why would it be in the books if it had no major part? I wasn't sure what it's purpose was at the time but i heard in the books that it hurt when Voldemort was near so I knew that it definitely had a major part with the ongoing struggle with Voldemort. Next, i thought it had something to do with Lily's sacrifice. Because, in SS, Dumbledore says that because of her sacrificing herself for harry caused a protection greater than anything to surround harry.
2. again, since it had mentioned that it hurt when Voldemort came close to harry. so i always thought that whenever his scar hurt, voldemort was around the corner to jump out and attack!
3. I think that it is possible that he could have sensed something like a connection with Harry in the earlier years, but then, if he wanted to use it against harry, why did he wait? He could have waited untill he got a visible body back, as we see in OOTP.
4. I think that Dumbledore always suspected Tom of doing foolish things. I believe that he did know about the horcruxes, but he wanted to wait untill he had more proof to do anything about it.
5. I guessed that it would have something to do with the rest of the series. I guess the rest of my answer would have to be the same as numbers 1 and 2.
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Jul 5 2008, 04:21 PM
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I think we are told that LV wasn't aware of the connection via the scar until OotP, aren't we? Harry didn't experience more than a few twinges in CoS, so I don't see how DiaRiddle would have experienced the connection either (Vapourmort certainly didn't notice anything at the time).
QUOTE(rowena r @ Jul 3 2008, 10:34 AM)  I'm sure Dumbledore had a well-formed suspicion that Voldemort had made Horcruxes because he didn't die when his own curse back-fired on him. He tells Harry later on that Harry himself had handed him the proof of the existence of multiple Horcruxes in COS. The word 'proof' seems to indicate that there was already suspicion and the remains of the diary confirmed his doubts on it.
Unless I'm much mistaken, the diary was merely proof for DD that he had created a Horcrux, but his treatment of that one suggested that others were made. I agree that DD suspected at least one Horcrux since the Godric's Hollow incident, but I don't think he was entirely convinced of even that until CoS. Even after that confirmation, he only knew for sure that one Horcrux was made; it wasn't until Harry's recount of LV's rebirth that DD was almost certain that LV made other Horcruxes, prompting him to start looking for them in OotP (eventually finding one in between books 5 and 6).
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Jul 5 2008, 09:52 PM
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Good questions, Lirene! I'm going to answer to the best of my ability...
QUOTE 1. What was your impression of the scar and the connection at the time of COS?
It's hard to remember that far back and without the bias of current knowledge. Also, as I read the first three books in two and a half days, my time with only PS and CoS is limited to about 10-12 hours. However, I remember that I knew it had to be important, as DD answers McG's question about removing the scar by saying "Even if I could, I wouldn't. Scars can come in handy." (SS - US p. 15) So first, DD says that he can't remove it. Even then, I knew DD was extremely powerful, so if he can't do it, it must be pretty bad.
I will admit that I didn't quite understand the "connection". I knew there had to be one of some sort, because of the pain, but didn't get how it worked.
QUOTE 2. Why did you think Harry's scar pained him at first?
Again, I didn't understand how the connection worked, so I didn't understand the pain. I realized that it had to do with Voldemort being around, but that was it.
QUOTE 4. Do you think that Dumbledore knew about Voldemort's Horcruxes?
Well, I can't find the part in CoS just now so maybe I'm projecting from a different book (anyone can feel free to clue me in ), but I feel like there's a part after the Chamber where DD says something about a "bit of Voldemort" being in the diary. So to me, that sounds like he knew, or at least suspected. Whether he knew at that moment how many more there were...well, that's doubtful.
QUOTE 5. Did you think that Harry's scar would be an important factor to the plot at this early stage?
YES. I couldn't imagine what the purpose would be, but it had to be important. It was introduced from the very beginning as something that marked Harry as special. Plus, DD made that remark about scars being useful. All of this in the first chapter of the first book...and we already knew way back in 1999 that there would be seven. So, definitely, a resounding yes. I'm just not creative enough to have figured out how.
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Jul 6 2008, 06:59 AM
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QUOTE Unless I'm much mistaken, the diary was merely proof for DD that he had created a Horcrux, but his treatment of that one suggested that others were made. I agree that DD suspected at least one Horcrux since the Godric's Hollow incident, but I don't think he was entirely convinced of even that until CoS. Even after that confirmation, he only knew for sure that one Horcrux was made; it wasn't until Harry's recount of LV's rebirth that DD was almost certain that LV made other Horcruxes, prompting him to start looking for them in OotP (eventually finding one in between books 5 and 6).
Oops ! You're right harrypottergeek2 ! That's what I meant to say, but it came out differently. Dumbledore suspected a Horcrux, but the Diary used so cavalierly pointed to more of them - guarded more safely. Also, I'm sure Dumbledore suspected what Harry's scar really was the moment he saw it, but he couldn't be sure until he saw the unmistakable connection Harry shared with Voldemort in OOTP. But since that was entirely unintended by Voldemort, it doesn't count as a Horcrux in this discussion at least.
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Jul 6 2008, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE(rowena r @ Jul 6 2008, 06:59 AM) Also, I'm sure Dumbledore suspected what Harry's scar really was the moment he saw it, but he couldn't be sure until he saw the unmistakable connection Harry shared with Voldemort in OOTP.
I think DD just expected some connection between Harry and LV; when he discusses it with Harry, he says that they are "connected by the curse that failed", so he probably thought that something about that failed AK linked them together. So yes, I do think DD immediately knew that there would be a connection to LV with the scar, but I don't think he suspected a Horcrux-like one - at least not until he saw the Diary.
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Jul 9 2008, 03:25 PM
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1. What was your impression of the scar and the connection at the time of COS?
Personally, the first time I read CoS, I never even thought about Harry's scar, or even the connection with Voldemort! I know that is so weird, but the first time I read I read it I was pretty young, so I was more focused on Riddle and the diary... But after I had read the to the 4th book, and then I read CoS again, I thought that the scar had maybe a piece of Voldemort's mind in it... but that was just a thought, I could never really guess, and I never really knew...
2. Why did you think Harry's scar pained him at first?
I thought it pained him whenever Voldemort was around
3. Did you think that Voldemort sensed some kind of a connection with Harry this early on in the series?
No, I didn't even think Voldemort knew anything until the 4th or 5th book...
4. Do you think that Dumbledore knew about Voldemort's Horcruxes?
Well, as we read in the 6th book, some of the memories Dumbledore has do point very clear in the direction of Riddle thinking up Horcruxes.
5. Did you think that Harry's scar would be an important factor to the plot at this early stage?
Yes, the scar was always important, if you really think about it... even though we knew very little about the scar at this point... looking back, it WAS important.
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