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Moaning Myrtle & the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets! |
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 Jul 11 2008, 04:18 AM
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QUOTE -Do you think it is strange that the bathroom Myrtle haunts is the exact same one that has the entrance to the Chamber?
Because that's where she was killed
QUOTE -Do you think Myrtle knew that the entrance was in the bathroom that she was crying in? (After Olive Hornby made fun of her glasses.)
No, I don't see how she could know at that time
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-Why do you think Salazar Slytherin chose the entrance to the Chamber to be in a girls' bathroom?
hmm.. I never thought about that. He probably figured no one would think it was in a girls bathroom...?
QUOTE -And how did the basilisk get into (and fit into) the pipes? That I did wonder.. after we've seen how big it is, I found it unlikely it could fit in normal pipes.. but I guess they could have really big pipes as well...?
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Jul 11 2008, 05:23 AM
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-Do you think it is strange that the bathroom Myrtle haunts is the exact same one that has the entrance to the Chamber?
No, she is more or less restricted to the place where she died. Btw, do you think it is strange that Harry saw a rusty axe in the Room of Hidden Things when he hid his book in HBP? What about Nearly Headless Nick – did his execution take place at Hogwarts?
-Do you think Myrtle knew that the entrance was in the bathroom that she was crying in? (After Olive Hornby made fun of her glasses.)
As I understand the book, she's totally unaware of what happened to her.
-Why do you think Salazar Slytherin chose the entrance to the Chamber to be in a girls' bathroom?
That may be one of the main plotholes! Plumbing didn't exist in England at the time Hogwarts was built. But perhaps they learnt from the Romans?
-How do you think the basilisk got out of the Chamber entrance? (After all- Harry, Ron, Ginny, and Lockhart flew out of the entrance. How would the snake slither up?)
If the Basilisk is big enough, I think it should work.
-And how did the basilisk get into (and fit into) the pipes?
Only the biggest ones ...
-Anything else you would like to say?
There's a nice essay around about why the roosters had to be killed ...
This post has been edited by Shnoing: Jul 11 2008, 05:25 AM
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 Jul 11 2008, 06:37 AM
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QUOTE Do you think it is strange that the bathroom Myrtle haunts is the exact same one that has the entrance to the Chamber?
Not really, because it's where she died, and she died because the entrance was there.
QUOTE Do you think Myrtle knew that the entrance was in the bathroom that she was crying in? (After Olive Hornby made fun of her glasses.)
No, I don't, because I think that only Slytherin, Voldemort and possibly another clever Slytherin (who worked out it's secrets at some point in history) knew about it. Also, if it was known that it was the entrance to a secret chamber, I think that someone in the school would have done something about it. It would be likely also that other students knew about it, and there wouldn't be so much surprise when the Basilisk kills.
QUOTE Why do you think Salazar Slytherin chose the entrance to the Chamber to be in a girls' bathroom?
I suppose it's possible that it wasn't a girls' bathroom when he built it. It could have been the boys, or even a staff bathroom. Or perhaps it was jsut the easiest or best position to build the entrance.
As keola sombra says, perhaps he thought that others wouldn't think it would be there, so thought it would be a bit more protection.
I think though that it's important to remember that Slytherin probably wouldn't have thought the entrance needed much protection, because you needed to be a Pareselmouth to open the entrance.
QUOTE How do you think the basilisk got out of the Chamber entrance? (After all- Harry, Ron, Ginny, and Lockhart flew out of the entrance. How would the snake slither up?)
I wonder if it had another way of getting out... but I don't think this can be right, as if the snake didn't use the entrance, then I doubt Myrtle would have been killed.
QUOTE And how did the basilisk get into (and fit into) the pipes?
Good point. Maybe a big castle just has big pipes. And the Basilisk just used the larger ones anyway, which could possibly have taken it everywhere it needed.
This post has been edited by Micromys minutus: Jul 11 2008, 06:37 AM
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Jul 11 2008, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE(Micromys minutus @ Jul 11 2008, 06:37 AM)  No, I don't, because I think that only Slytherin, Voldemort and possibly another clever Slytherin (who worked out it's secrets at some point in history) knew about it. Also, if it was known that it was the entrance to a secret chamber, I think that someone in the school would have done something about it. It would be likely also that other students knew about it, and there wouldn't be so much surprise when the Basilisk kills.
If other students - not Tom Riddle - knew about the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets they would of reported it to a teacher. If only because they need to use the toilet there. If they found out what Tom Riddle knew he wouldn't stay prefect for long let alone get to be head boy. The students should've known about the basiliks though. The diarycrux said tehre were other incidents during taht time.
QUOTE I suppose it's possible that it wasn't a girls' bathroom when he built it. It could have been the boys, or even a staff bathroom. Or perhaps it was jsut the easiest or best position to build the entrance.
Who installed the plumbing though? Not a parselmouth perhaps.
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Jul 13 2008, 09:59 PM
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-Do you think it is strange that the bathroom Myrtle haunts is the exact same one that has the entrance to the Chamber?
No.
-Do you think Myrtle knew that the entrance was in the bathroom that she was crying in? (After Olive Hornby made fun of her glasses.)
No, but if I heard movement outside my stall, and I knew the Chamber was opened, I probably wouldn't open the door until I knew what was outside.
-Why do you think Salazar Slytherin chose the entrance to the Chamber to be in a girls' bathroom?
I have no idea why he would do that. Maybe because he thought no one would suspect the Chamber to be hidden in a girls' bathroom?
-How do you think the basilisk got out of the Chamber entrance? (After all- Harry, Ron, Ginny, and Lockhart flew out of the entrance. How would the snake slither up?)
That is another thing I always wondered about the Chamber. Possibly it has a super sticky bottom side so it could slither up the entrance? Or else there is another way out of the Chamber?
-And how did the basilisk get into (and fit into) the pipes?
Maybe the pipes are really big? Or maybe there are smaller basilisks?
-Anything else you would like to say?
The whole Chamber entrance is very mysterious, and I would like to know more! If you have any info about the Chamber, or you have really good ideas, write them here!
This post has been edited by BeAchL0veEr05: Jul 13 2008, 10:00 PM
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Jul 18 2008, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(Orchidea15 @ Jul 11 2008, 01:43 PM) Moaning murtle was one of the very few enjoyable ghost characters, and characters at that for me. She's unintentionally funny. Which of course is not nice to say, but it's true. It surprises me that her sad mood never causes an affect on someone's mood. If it were I, I know I'd always be gloomy and sad around her. Moaning Murtle being killed by a basilisk probably gave her a weird feeling being the first muggle killed due tot he chamber of Secrets. In some ways I feel sorry for her at times.
Perhaps there is another reason why Moaning Myrtle is called Moaning Myrtle besides her crying about being teased by Olive Hornby. She isn't always sad. She got quite a bit of entertainment out of Hermione's cat's tail and whiskers, now didn't she? One of the funniest bits of COS was when she told Harry that if he got killed fighting the basilisk that he could always share her toilet.
Do you think it is strange that the bathroom Myrtle haunts is the exact same one that has the entrance to the Chamber?
No, not at all. I think it more strange that nothing was done about malfunctioning plumbing for 50 years. On second thoughts maybe not......
Moaning Myrtle was sent back to Hogwarts to haunt that particular toilet where she was killed, because she made a nuisance of herself, trying to haunt Olive Hornby. Apparently she ruined Olive Hornby's wedding, which was a bit vengeful. Later on, once her death had been explained and avenged, Moaning Myrtle kept turning up in other places in the castle. In the prefects' bathroom and two years later in a boy's bathroom, for example. Even in COS she attended the Deathday party.
Do you think that Moaning Myrtle knew that the entrance was in the bathroom that she was crying in? (After Olive Hornby made fun of her glasses.)
Not before she died, I don't think. But then how well do ghosts think? There had to be some reason why a girl would die in a girls' bathroom. And Moaning Myrtle knew that a boy had entered that toilet area where he had no good reason to be, had been speaking in some sort of foreign language and that when she opened the door to tell him to go away, she got the full force of the basilisk stare. What would have happened if she had kept the door shut and listened instead?
And is it the same girls' toilets where Hermione was hiding to cry the previous year when the troll got into the dungeon?
-Why do you think Salazar Slytherin chose the entrance to the Chamber to be in a girls' bathroom?
I don't think he deliberately chose the entrance to be in a girls' bathroom. Unless he distrusted girls in general. Chances are there were modifications later on to the building which is why the Chamber of secrets ended up opening in a girls' bathroom.
-How do you think the basilisk got out of the Chamber entrance? (After all- Harry, Ron, Ginny, and Lockhart flew out of the entrance. How would the snake slither up?)
Snakes use their scales and muscles to move don't they? All they need is a surface to slither on. Yes, ordinary snakes can slither around in pipes if the pipes are wide enough, as the main entrance to the Chamber had to have been to accommodate Harry, Ron and Gilderoy Lockhart, a grown man. It is more the length than the girth of the basilisk which might cause problems. As a question, did the basilisk get out of the pipe altogether? Or did it only go far enough to poke its head out of the door of the girls' bathroom?
I am also curious that nobody noticed the range of the basilisk attacks, if they were all centred around that particular bathroom, and that Tom Riddle got away with haunting a girls' bathroom 50 years previously.
By the way, if Lucius Malfoy knew that the diary opened the Chamber of Secrets, did he also know that the Chamber of Secrets could be opened through a girls' bathroom?
This post has been edited by WaggaWaggaWerewolf: Jul 18 2008, 05:40 PM
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