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 Jul 18 2008, 01:34 AM
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QUOTE since most of the spells seem to be based off latin, you could probably find a latin word that has to do with what you want. but i think the fine tuning is guesswork.
Agree with this, to a degree. I think incantations are suppose to work like that somehow. An outcome is expected once one casts a spell to the open (unless you were good enough to cast unspoken spells to the same effect).
Probably with the easier spells its a matter of just saying the spell correctly and it will work. With harder spells, there are probably so many factors that need to be right in order for the spell to work i.e. how you flick your wand, how you pronounce the word, what frame of mind you need to be in, etc etc.
I suppose there is grand spell book somewhere with all master spells in it, where if executed correctly, any combination of those spells would have some sort of affect on the victim/item.
If one makes a word, which is somehow derived from latin eg off the top of my head here, um, like multicapillus, to get them grow hair all over their body, flicks their wand, says the word and it then works, well, i reckon that'll be a lucky guess...
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Jul 18 2008, 02:59 PM
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The question that conserns me even more is how did Snape come up with the new spells? He created Levicorpus and Liberacorpus and Sectumsempra.... I mean they are all beased on Latin, true, and if you know some of that, you are able to figure out what they are about, but how do you actually create them?
Did Snape, as you seem to indicate just "play" around and find those by coincident? Or did he experiment with "lower" creatures, like Elves, or what?
How do new spells come into existence? And how, when and by whom are they finally added to the official list (Goshawk's book for example)? 
So many questions....
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Jul 18 2008, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE(Callisto Lamia @ Jul 19 2008, 05:29 AM)  The question that conserns me even more is how did Snape come up with the new spells? He created Levicorpus and Liberacorpus and Sectumsempra.... I mean they are all beased on Latin, true, and if you know some of that, you are able to figure out what they are about, but how do you actually create them? Did Snape, as you seem to indicate just "play" around and find those by coincident? Or did he experiment with "lower" creatures, like Elves, or what? How do new spells come into existence? And how, when and by whom are they finally added to the official list (Goshawk's book for example)? So many questions....
Who know's how Snape came up with those? I did think of that when I was composing my previous post and one reason could be that he was an extremely competent wizard in that area. In the muggle world, I would award someone with his ability with a pHD. To know the history of spellwork and potions back to front, its appropriate use and to have the knowledge and ability to come up with "new" spells/potions is amazing. Snape, being attacted to the Darks Arts, I assume would have experimented with "lower" creatures to see what the effect was, but, he was also good enough to know how to reverse the spells also.
Didn't Bella say something like "You have to mean it" when you produce a spell? ( i could be wrong here). This comment made me think that some spells, its not as simple as just vocalising the spell to produce the result, hence why i came up with the "lucky guess" theory.
But yes, so many questions...
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Jul 20 2008, 04:59 AM
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QUOTE(SillySquib @ Jul 19 2008, 02:59 AM) Who know's how Snape came up with those? I did think of that when I was composing my previous post and one reason could be that he was an extremely competent wizard in that area. In the muggle world, I would award someone with his ability with a pHD. To know the history of spellwork and potions back to front, its appropriate use and to have the knowledge and ability to come up with "new" spells/potions is amazing. Snape, being attacted to the Darks Arts, I assume would have experimented with "lower" creatures to see what the effect was, but, he was also good enough to know how to reverse the spells also.
Didn't Bella say something like "You have to mean it" when you produce a spell? ( i could be wrong here). This comment made me think that some spells, its not as simple as just vocalising the spell to produce the result, hence why i came up with the "lucky guess" theory.
But yes, so many questions...
Thanks for you answer.. very helpful..
And yes, it was Bella who said that about "meaning it", but she was refering specifically to the Cruciatus Curse then telling Harry that he would have to really mean it, that is to say want to hurt someone, and at the time he did not, so the spell did not work. I think that holds true for all Unforgivables. They do not work unless you, your soul that it, is base and mean enough to really want to hurt and kill....
But what about Snape's spells again... Do you think Sectumsempra for example has by now been added to the Unforgivables? I think it should!
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Jul 20 2008, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(SillySquib @ Jul 20 2008, 01:11 PM) Doesn't it mean "always cutting"? If someone in the muggle world decides to slice another, it returns a serious consequence for your actions. Then again, i suppose it depends on the severity of the slice. If a person is left to bleed to death from the spell's use, then yes, an unforgiveable it should be. I doubt if it has been added to the 'unforgiveables list' as nobody previous to Snape knew about it (?) and the ministry would not have been alerted to its use as they would not have had it on their records (as they would not have known about it (?)) don't know. Good question.
Yep, I think your translation is right, or maybe "always separated", which in the end comes out the same.
I only doubt, that it can be used in such a refined way as to "moderate" the severity of the curse. Either you cut someone in two or not, there is no inbetween, is there? Draco would have surely dies, had it not been for Snapes intervention.
Btw, the scene definately is in HBP, TLC reported about it being shot some time ago. Can't wait for that!
@Lizzyt: I agree, that sometime spells are "invented" by mere accident, but for the most part I assume they are consciously created, makes a lot more sense, doesn't it?
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) and should qualify as an unforgiveable. Doesn't it mean "always cutting"? If someone in the muggle world decides to slice another, it returns a serious consequence for your actions. Then again, i suppose it depends on the severity of the slice. If a person is left to bleed to death from the spell's use, then yes, an unforgiveable it should be.
