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Neville's Killing of Nagini, Was the horcrux destroyed because the sword had basilisk venom?
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post Aug 6 2008, 12:33 PM
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I was wondering if it mattered what Neville used to slay Nagini. Did it have to be Gryffindor's sword imbued with basilisk venom, or could he have done anything to kill Nagini?

Since destroying the horcrux container destroys the horcrux, my guess is that it did not matter that the sword was used. The only thing that mattered was killing Nagini using any available means. Voldemort destroyed the 7th horcrux in Harry by using the AK on him.


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What we don't know is what magic was put on the Nagini horcrux to repair itself if it was attacked. It may have been like other horcruxes, which might mean that the sword would just bounce off the skin, or Nagini would join together again once the sword had gone through, or just regrow the bit that was cut off.

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post Aug 6 2008, 03:47 PM
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I don't think it would have mattered what was used to kill Nagini because as what was said earlier you were breaking the object the Horcrux was encased in. This i see as being the downfall to using a living creature as a Horcrux because as we have been told from the beginning of the series you cant bring the dead back to life. As for swords bouncing of the skin why did LV have Nagini encased by magical means if he wasn't worried bout the snake being killed.
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I think that if the sword hadn't the Basilisc venom, Nagini wouldn't have died, because she's a Horcrux like the others, so she'd have survive.


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QUOTE(the_boy_who_lived @ Aug 6 2008, 12:33 PM) *
I was wondering if it mattered what Neville used to slay Nagini. Did it have to be Gryffindor's sword imbued with basilisk venom, or could he have done anything to kill Nagini?

I personally don't think the weapon of choice mattered at all. When you destroy a Horcrux, you are just inflicting irrepairable damage to the vessel. The reason why you have to be so particular about destroying an inanimate object is that inanimate objects (in the magical world) can be repaired once broken - in a sense, there's no way to "kill" them because they have no life to take away (for instance, an AK wouldn't work to destory the Ring, but it destroyed the Horcrux in Harry because he "died"). That's what makes an inanimate Horcrux so difficult to destroy properly - in order to "kill" such an object, you have to do some serious damage to it.

Living things, on the other hand, can be killed in a wide variety of ways, and death obviously constitutes irrepairable damage. So, if a living thing has been made into a Horcrux, as long as you actually kill that living thing, the means that you use to accomplish it are irrelevant.


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I agree with harrypottergeek2, I think that as long as Nagini was killed, the horcrux would be destroyed. I personally don't think there was magical preotection surrounding Nagini, as otherwise Voldemort would've had no need to encase her when he thought she was in danger. He would probably assume that being so close to him, she wouldn't require as much protection. I think that he got a bit ahead of himself though. He thinks he's killed Harry, so he removes Nagini's cage, even though there are enough of Harry's supporters left for someone to think of killing the snake...

I think I went off on a bit of a tangent there, and I'm not sure it makes sense, so to sum thinkgs up, I don't think that it mattered what Neville killed Nagini with, as long as she was dead.


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post Aug 7 2008, 06:56 AM
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OK, I was just looking for other viewpoints. I think the sword worked well to allow Neville to gain his Gryffindor wings, so to speak. It was harder for Voldemort to see that coming and block it. JKR has shown us that good wizards are able to block spells so if someone tried (including Neville) to AK Nagini during that scene perhaps Voldemort could have blocked it.


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That's actually a very good question... I would have to say that my answer would be that perhaps Nagini being a horcrux the effects were perhaps substituted? meaninng that now that nagini was a piece of Voldemort, it's strengths and weaknesses had been perhaps eliminated.. im not sure in my opinion i like this hypothetical statement... IT would make sense for Nagini's strength to ONLY be killed by a gryffindors sword were to be lifted because she was turned into a horcrux.. What do you think?
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i also think that the fact that nagini is not a regular horcrux, she is in fact, a living thing, should be taken into consideration. She was still an animal, and therefore much more fragile then say the cup.


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You're right..she wasn't a regular horcrux..and it's just for that reason that I feel she didn't really have the weaknesses and strengths she would have as a regular or normal basilisk.
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