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 Aug 21 2008, 02:04 AM
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Just Through the Brick Wall
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Firstly, welcome to Leaky!  (although I have only been here for a short time myself, so I'm not entirely sure if I'm entitled to say that) 
Also, hahaha, of all the things that were odd about the plot of the Order of the Phoenix, these were the things that bothered you the most?
None the less, i shall attempt defend the book by saying that, perhaps in the state of nervous anxiety that Harry was in when he was going to the hearing, he may have experienced some heightened awareness and seemed to notice or remember things that would not usually have stuck in his mind(?)
As well as this, I don't think that Hermione ever expected the list of names to be found. Putting the member's names in writing was a huge risk in itself, but it seems that Hermione needed to do so in order to jinx them. Under the circumstances in which the list was discovered, I'm sure that it would not have made a difference whether or not she had put a title on it, it would have been obvious that it was a list of the members in the group which the Marietta girl had told Umbridge about. Dumbledore could easily have acted like he knew nothing about it, but he chose not to, so in the end it was quite fortunate that she did put the entire name there.
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Aug 21 2008, 02:35 AM
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Just Through the Brick Wall
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I don't know about heightened awareness, even so it's still hard to believe he remembered it almost a year later...
And Hermione may not have thought the list would be found, be she always seems to be a careful person. Also, I don't think having the name "Dumbledore's Army" is necessary for the jinx to work.
QUOTE(roonwit @ Aug 21 2008, 03:28 AM)  The phone number was 62442 and spells out MAGIC, so it is easy to remember.
If Harry noticed this I'm almost positive J.K. Rowling would have mentioned him noticing it (she really pours on the details of these little things - especially if Harry was thinking it - and especially since The Order of the Phoenix is such a detailed, lengthy book.) I know she mentioned the fact that it spells "MAGIC" later on, but I really doubt Harry noticed it himself.
This post has been edited by sver/nor: Aug 21 2008, 06:50 AM
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Aug 21 2008, 03:13 AM
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Just Through the Brick Wall
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QUOTE And Hermione may not have thought the list would be found, be she always seems to be a careful person. Also, I don't think having the name "Dumbledore's Army" is necessary for the jinx to work.
Yes, but what I mean is that it wouldn't have mattered if she put the name "Dumbledore's Army" at the top. Once/If the list was found, it would have been obvious what the names were for anyway, and they would have been persecuted just the same. She probably also realised that Dumbledore could easily deny he had any connection with them, and claim they had thought up the name on their own (which they did). Although I see what you mean; she should have realised that if it was discovered by the Ministry, they could claim that it was proof that Dumbledore was plotting against them or whatever. It just goes to show that Hermione is not perfect, and like I said, I don't see why it bothers you so much, seeing as it by far is NOT the stupidest thing that was done in that book, and there are so many more illogical acts to speculate about. Why choose this one?
QUOTE I don't know about heightened awareness, even so it's still hard to believe he remembered it almost a year later...
It's amazing what insignificant details can sometimes stick in someone's memory. Perhaps he did notice that it spelled "magic" (which is really cool and i had actually never noticed before  ). Perhaps it is a bit unlikely, but... *shrugs*
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Aug 21 2008, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE(Anonymous73 @ Aug 21 2008, 05:25 PM) If Harry noticed this I'm almost positive J.K. Rowling would have mentioned him noticing it (she really pours on the details of these little things - especially if Harry was thinking it - and especially since The Order of the Phoenix is such a detailed, lengthy book.) Actually, I disagree. Jo mentions plot relevant things, but here Harry sees the number being entered, so can get in that way again, and it isn't relevant whether Harry discusses it later or has long conversations as to why it is that number, or simply just remembers it. I could see Harry explaining what happened in detail to Ron and Hermione, and any other Weasleys who wanted to listen, and Hermione spotting that the numbers spell out something, but it isn't in the book because it is only relevant to the plot that Harry (and the readers) has at least one source for that information.
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Aug 21 2008, 04:12 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall
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QUOTE(roonwit @ Aug 21 2008, 03:33 PM) QUOTE(Anonymous73 @ Aug 21 2008, 05:25 PM) If Harry noticed this I'm almost positive J.K. Rowling would have mentioned him noticing it (she really pours on the details of these little things - especially if Harry was thinking it - and especially since The Order of the Phoenix is such a detailed, lengthy book.) Actually, I disagree. Jo mentions plot relevant things, but here Harry sees the number being entered, so can get in that way again, and it isn't relevant whether Harry discusses it later or has long conversations as to why it is that number, or simply just remembers it. I could see Harry explaining what happened in detail to Ron and Hermione, and any other Weasleys who wanted to listen, and Hermione spotting that the numbers spell out something, but it isn't in the book because it is only relevant to the plot that Harry (and the readers) has at least one source for that information.
You could say this, but my point is that I don't think it is believable. Sure we could assume he had some talk with Ron and Hermione and she just happened to know (without looking at a keypad) that it spelled MAGIC, but I highly doubt this. You may think it is irrelavent to have to explain this in the story, and I do agree that it would seem so at first to add some random point in the story where they discover this, but why I have so much trouble with this issue is simply because I don't find it believable - if someone mentioned a 5 digit number in my ppresence one day, not asking me to remember it, while I had a load of stressful things on my mind, I don't think I'd remember nearly a year later. This may seem like not much imporatance to you, but it's little things like this that I notice.
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