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 Aug 21 2008, 09:01 AM
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Just Through the Brick Wall
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Forgive me if this topic has been discussed before. And forgive me, too, if I have put it in the wrong place. It is not that I am totally new to this board, since I have visited often, but I have never posted before since I only just registered today! I have had a recent discussion with someone about the ways in which Dumbledore would have watched Harry over the years, and I would be most interested in hearing your thoughts on this. Given Harry's obvious importance, and Dumbledore's need to know all that he could about Harry, I would assume that Dumbledore had been watching Harry from his earliest years. So, over the years both before and after Harry came to Hogwarts, what kinds of things do YOU think Dumbledore did, or had done on his behalf, not only to watch over Harry and know what he was doing...........but to know just precisely what made him tick?
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Aug 21 2008, 10:47 AM
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Just Through the Brick Wall
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QUOTE(Alysaw @ Aug 21 2008, 09:21 AM)  I think Arabella Figg played a huge part in watching Harry and reporting back to Dumbledore. She was a member of the Order of the Phoenix and I believe she was much more than batty old woman she seemed to be.
I agree. Mrs. Figg must have been instrumental in watching Harry in his early years. Still, I wonder. Mrs. Figg was a squib, thus she could only see Harry if he was allowed to see her, and she could only know whatever he or the Dursleys chose to tell her. In OOTP, Dumbledore told Harry "I have watched you more closely than you could imagine". I have the feeling that did not start when Harry came to Hogwarts. Harry was just too important, and Dumbledore needed to know him as well as he knew himself. After Harry came to Hogwarts, we can deduce some of the things that Dumbledore did or utilized to watch and know Harry. Legilimency, castle portraits and members of the Order, etc. And I suspect that there were many other things that we can only speculate on ??????? But before Harry came to Hogwarts, I still wonder? Mrs. Figg was crucial, but somehow I think there must have been more?
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Aug 21 2008, 07:14 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall
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QUOTE(Euros @ Aug 21 2008, 04:48 PM) I think that Mrs. Figg alerted Albus whenever Harry left the house with the Dursely's and he sent members of the order to keep an eye on him...
This would make sense because there were times in the first book when he talked about a man with a violet hat bowing to him in a shop (Dedalus Diggle, this was confirmed later in the first book) and a strangely dressed women saying hello to him on a bus, and other strange instances. And whenever he tried to get a closer look at these people they seemed to not be there anymore (either went under an invisibility cloak, used disillusionment or simply dissaparated. I wouldn't be surprised if Albus has had people tailing Harry whenever he left the Dursleys since he was a baby.
Ah, yes, Dedalus Diggle. I had wondered just how much of a one-off that was. Perhaps Dumbledore did have the old members of the Order trailing Harry all those years. I have always wondered just how much Dumbledore knew about Harry when he arrived at Hogwarts that first day? And, as an aside, did I note Pikesville?
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Aug 21 2008, 08:45 PM
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DD left Harry with the Dursleys in the Muggleworld, so it would have been dificult that V. followers would have found him. They had no reference to Petunia who was a Muggle they never met, and she had changed her name from Evans to Dursley. It was a very clever move, as the wizards would have thought Harry to be in their world.
We see it, when Harry met other magic folk, all knew about him, but did not knew where he was living (exept the Order people) and were suprised at his sudden appearence. Fred and Georg helped him and got exited when the saw whom they helped, Molly in her motherly fashion pittied him at once. Draco who had not recognized him in Diagon A. looked for him in the train.
I think that DD or Mc. Gonagall where arround causualy to have a look on him. But there were no inminent danger while V. was bodyless in Albania.
I think that DD watched Harry much closer when he came to Hogwarts and referred to this. 
This post has been edited by Eva Hedwig: Aug 21 2008, 08:47 PM
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Aug 21 2008, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(gaian @ Aug 21 2008, 07:14 PM) QUOTE(Euros @ Aug 21 2008, 04:48 PM) I think that Mrs. Figg alerted Albus whenever Harry left the house with the Dursely's and he sent members of the order to keep an eye on him...
This would make sense because there were times in the first book when he talked about a man with a violet hat bowing to him in a shop (Dedalus Diggle, this was confirmed later in the first book) and a strangely dressed women saying hello to him on a bus, and other strange instances. And whenever he tried to get a closer look at these people they seemed to not be there anymore (either went under an invisibility cloak, used disillusionment or simply dissaparated. I wouldn't be surprised if Albus has had people tailing Harry whenever he left the Dursleys since he was a baby. Ah, yes, Dedalus Diggle. I had wondered just how much of a one-off that was. Perhaps Dumbledore did have the old members of the Order trailing Harry all those years. I have always wondered just how much Dumbledore knew about Harry when he arrived at Hogwarts that first day? And, as an aside, did I note Pikesville?
This part is addressed also to Eva Hedwig:
I think that he had him watched sometimes when he left the Dursley's. I always had the idea that he never left the Dursley's much, so it wouldn't have been that hard to pull off, Mrs. Figg could have alerted them to his leaving the house where he would not have quite as much protection as usual... also Albus wouldn't necessarily know everything about Harry, because he probably didn't watch him inside the house, he didn't need to know about Harry there because he was protected by powerful ancient magic. However, some of Voldemort's supporters were still out there and still very terrible, and might want revenge, so I can see him wanting Harry tailed when he left the house. I don't think it's coincidence that Mrs. Figg stayed near Harry all that time. At the same time I don't think Albus learned that much about Harry from him being tailed, more probably it was just to protect him.
I think that Albus was in some way talking about how closely he watched him when he came to the castle, but I still believe that he had members of the order watching him intermittently when he left the protection of the house... I really wouldn't be surprised, it would be just like Albus. Besides which, it would be just like Albus to do more than just check in on him every now and again, but to watch him like a hawk while never really interfering much. In fact, anything Albus told Harry about it I might not take entirely at face value because he was never all that good at telling the whole truth, even when he said he was doing just that.
To Gaian:
And yeah, you did.
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Aug 23 2008, 07:53 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall
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QUOTE(Euros @ Aug 21 2008, 11:34 PM) QUOTE(gaian @ Aug 21 2008, 07:14 PM) QUOTE(Euros @ Aug 21 2008, 04:48 PM) I think that Mrs. Figg alerted Albus whenever Harry left the house with the Dursely's and he sent members of the order to keep an eye on him...
This would make sense because there were times in the first book when he talked about a man with a violet hat bowing to him in a shop (Dedalus Diggle, this was confirmed later in the first book) and a strangely dressed women saying hello to him on a bus, and other strange instances. And whenever he tried to get a closer look at these people they seemed to not be there anymore (either went under an invisibility cloak, used disillusionment or simply dissaparated. I wouldn't be surprised if Albus has had people tailing Harry whenever he left the Dursleys since he was a baby. Ah, yes, Dedalus Diggle. I had wondered just how much of a one-off that was. Perhaps Dumbledore did have the old members of the Order trailing Harry all those years. I have always wondered just how much Dumbledore knew about Harry when he arrived at Hogwarts that first day? And, as an aside, did I note Pikesville? This part is addressed also to Eva Hedwig: I think that he had him watched sometimes when he left the Dursley's. I always had the idea that he never left the Dursley's much, so it wouldn't have been that hard to pull off, Mrs. Figg could have alerted them to his leaving the house where he would not have quite as much protection as usual... also Albus wouldn't necessarily know everything about Harry, because he probably didn't watch him inside the house, he didn't need to know about Harry there because he was protected by powerful ancient magic. However, some of Voldemort's supporters were still out there and still very terrible, and might want revenge, so I can see him wanting Harry tailed when he left the house. I don't think it's coincidence that Mrs. Figg stayed near Harry all that time. At the same time I don't think Albus learned that much about Harry from him being tailed, more probably it was just to protect him. I think that Albus was in some way talking about how closely he watched him when he came to the castle, but I still believe that he had members of the order watching him intermittently when he left the protection of the house... I really wouldn't be surprised, it would be just like Albus. Besides which, it would be just like Albus to do more than just check in on him every now and again, but to watch him like a hawk while never really interfering much. In fact, anything Albus told Harry about it I might not take entirely at face value because he was never all that good at telling the whole truth, even when he said he was doing just that. To Gaian: And yeah, you did.
To Euros.......then we are within shouting distance!
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