CoS and 2nd Task, Comparison between CoS and task number 2 in SS/PS |
 Feb 8 2007, 08:14 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 19 Joined: 3:42pm January 15, 2007 Location: kc, mo  |
I read somewhere that JKR had written each book in comparison with the corresponding task in the PS/SS. If that's correct I am wondering what connections there are between CoS and Proff. Sprout's Devil's Snare. I am completly at a loss here and could not come up with a single commonality between the two. So someone with an abstract line of thought please help me out with this one.
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Feb 8 2007, 08:16 PM
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Terrortours Travel Agent Posts: 6,828 Joined: 12:34pm January 24, 2007 |
Well, Sprout's mandrakes were crucial to curing the basilisk victims.
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Feb 8 2007, 08:52 PM
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WeasleyCast's Hostess With The Mostest Posts: 6,606 Joined: 2:44am February 20, 2006 Location: At The Burrow taking cooking lessons from Molly  |
Very good point indeed.
Sprout's plant was the obstacle in the second task, yet it is another plant that unpetrifies everyone at the end of book 2. Also, Hermione was the one to provide the clue to the Devil's Snare and she was also the one to provide the clue about the basilisk to Harry and Ron in CoS, yet she was "frozen" in both books from actually jumping into action. -------------------- |
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Feb 9 2007, 04:42 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 41 Joined: 10:16am July 12, 2005 |
 Oh, sorry everyone, but I think I don't get the connection between the PS task and the Second Book. In CoS Prof. Sprout uses the Mandrakes to "Re-establish" those that had been petrified, and the Second Task in PS was another of Prof. Sprout's plants. Is that it? Or do you think that there is more than that? What could this possibly tell us about DH (another topic, sorry  )?
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Feb 9 2007, 05:09 PM
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Madame Pince's House Elf  Posts: 4,606 Joined: 5:46pm January 28, 2005 Location: In HP Book Club 4, awaiting the HBP film's release |
QUOTE(molly-coral @ Feb 10 2007, 08:42 AM) [snapback]1095307[/snapback] Oh, sorry everyone, but I think I don't get the connection between the PS task and the Second Book. In CoS Prof. Sprout uses the Mandrakes to "Re-establish" those that had been petrified, and the Second Task in PS was another of Prof. Sprout's plants. Is that it? Or do you think that there is more than that? What could this possibly tell us about DH (another topic, sorry )?There is a number of people who consider there might be a correlation between the seven tasks at the end of PS/SS and the seven books in the series. Whole essays have been written on the subject, not only in Scribbulus. The second task was a herbology task and herbology does get some prominence, also the participation of Hufflepuff and its Head of House in the storyline. The devil's snare vines and tendrils suggest a lot of things in COS. Pipes, the basilisk itself, and the place where it was found is not unlike the Chamber of Secrets, itself. Ron and Harry both got caught up in it, but Hermione knew to relax, which is almost what happened in COS. Hermione also revealed that Devil's Snare preferred the dark and did not like light and fire. Neither do the likes of Tom Riddle and his basilisk. --------------------  Check out the Beedle the Bard Book Club |
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Feb 10 2007, 12:15 AM
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Harry's Long Lost Twin Sister Posts: 1,511 Joined: 12:20pm August 5, 2006 Location: New Mexico |
okay! I get it now...
 it took me a second to realize it... WWW do you have a link to one of the essays... I definatly see a connection to the 2nd task and COS. --------------------  |
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Feb 10 2007, 06:23 AM
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Madame Pince's House Elf Posts: 4,606 Joined: 5:46pm January 28, 2005 Location: In HP Book Club 4, awaiting the HBP film's release |
I was referring to Shard's Scribbulus Essay, Voldemort's plan to spread chaos. This essay discusses the possible links between the sixth Philosopher's Stone task, the DADA teachers, including Snape, the Half-Blood Prince, who organised this task. There is another reference to the number seven, including the seven PS/SS tasks in Memyslfn1's essay, The mystery of the number seven.
The theory that the seven tasks at the end of PS/SS match the seven books has been around for a while and here and there related threads discussing them on Leaky Lounge, such as the Obscurus thread, The symbolic nature of the Number seven, may still be around. However, Leaky's search function brought up only this thread, referring to COS and the second task as being current. The theory is that once Harry, Ron and Hermione passed Fluffy in Book 1, which was Hagrid's defence, they would encounter the defences of the other teachers, and that these defences matched the events of each of the other books. Thus COS matches the 2nd task with the Devil's Snare, which was set by Professor Sprout. But also, Professor Flitwick's 3rd task reflects the events of Prisoner of Azkaban and McGonagall's transfiguration task with the giant chess set matches the Triwizard Tournament in GOF. There is an obvious correlation with the Half-blood Prince and the potions task, when solving the Riddle was the chief problem. And the idea was that the Mirror of Erised, Dumbledore's task, might say something about the end of the series. Whatever might be said about the other books, correlation between the second task and COS, at any rate, is fairly clear. The seven tasks can be discussed in Magical Theory threads such as Snape's Task to reach the stone, a continuity error to reach the stone? or 7 Books, 7 Tasks, Harry's challenge to get to the Stone foreshadow events in later books. But there are a number of archived threads like this one. Other sites elsewhere have discussed this theory in pre-HBP days, not only on Leaky Lounge. Before Leaky Lounge's beginning on 28th January, 2005, this archived Mugglenet essay, published 16th November, 2004, referred to how the seven PS/SS tasks might correlate with the seven volumes of the Harry Potter story. The Two-way mirror series of articles also discussed a connection between The Half-Blood Prince and the Riddle of the Phials (or The Chamber of Secrets and the Devil's Snare). This post has been edited by WaggaWaggaWerewolf: Feb 27 2007, 02:34 PM -------------------- Check out the Beedle the Bard Book Club |
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Feb 10 2007, 09:31 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 154 Joined: 5:51am July 21, 2005 Location: In the Black Lake with the Giant Squid |
Wow WaggaWaggaWerewolf, thanks for all the links!
I haven't really thought about the seven tasks in PS/SS all that much, so I'll make sure to check it out. It sounds quite intriguing. --------------------  <- My page at HarryPotterFanFiction |
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Feb 15 2007, 07:23 PM
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Kibble Boy/Girl at the Magical Menagerie Posts: 267 Joined: 11:13pm October 25, 2006 |
So WWW, I didn't see anything correlating OotP to the knocked out troll in what you wrote. So I'll take a stab at it! Umbridge was the troll - Quirrell knocked out the troll in PS/SS for Harry and Hermione and the centaurs knocked out Umbridge for Harry and Hermione!
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Feb 15 2007, 08:30 PM
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Madame Pince's House Elf Posts: 4,606 Joined: 5:46pm January 28, 2005 Location: In HP Book Club 4, awaiting the HBP film's release |
QUOTE(Nevermore @ Feb 16 2007, 11:23 AM) [snapback]1103288[/snapback] So WWW, I didn't see anything correlating OotP to the knocked out troll in what you wrote. So I'll take a stab at it! Umbridge was the troll - Quirrell knocked out the troll in PS/SS for Harry and Hermione and the centaurs knocked out Umbridge for Harry and Hermione! There is some dispute, such as among the Mugglenet essays I linked to, where the trolls from Philosopher Stone might fit in. I do strongly agree with you that Umbridge, herself, would be a good fit, especially as the troll in the 5th task was put there by Quirrell, as he admitted himself. This was a DADA task, and Umbridge, herself, was the main problem in OOTP. So was not getting a troll grade in the final OWLs examinations. The difficulty with discussing this theory properly in its entirety here, while staying strictly on topic, is that COS and its accompanying second task, are only a part of the whole idea, and not the entire idea, itself. And that while I can see many reasons why the theory fits for Chamber of Secrets, in particular, that might not apply so well to the other five books. Can anyone else see any reason why the Devil's snare task might not have matched Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets? This post has been edited by WaggaWaggaWerewolf: Feb 16 2007, 03:39 AM -------------------- Check out the Beedle the Bard Book Club |
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