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Albus Severus Potter, Which Hous is he in & what is he like?
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post Jan 21 2008, 11:49 AM
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Has JK Rowling ever answerd this question? I would hope he ended up in Gryffindor. Maybe Slytherin is so toned down it doesn't matter, but I still love Gryffindor. What do you guys think?

Also, of Harry's children, is Albus the one most like his father or not?
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ASP is almost certainly a Gryffindor. I'm sure he took his father's advice and made his wishes known to the sorting hat.


Edited to add: I just noticed that Albus Severus Potter's initials form the word "asp," which is a type of viper, a venomous snake. So maybe he ended up in Slytherin's house after all.
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QUOTE(towerdweller @ Jan 21 2008, 06:28 PM) *
ASP is almost certainly a Gryffindor. I'm sure he took his father's advice and made his wishes known to the sorting hat.


Edited to add: I just noticed that Albus Severus Potter's initials form the word "asp," which is a type of viper, a venomous snake. So maybe he ended up in Slytherin's house after all.
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Good eye there, towerdweller.

But I do believe that ASP would've been sorted into Gryffindor because, as you said, he would've followed his fathers advice. What's to say, though, that he didn't end up in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, both very noble houses?


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QUOTE(Jeaneai @ Jan 21 2008, 08:18 PM) *
QUOTE(towerdweller @ Jan 21 2008, 06:28 PM) *
ASP is almost certainly a Gryffindor. I'm sure he took his father's advice and made his wishes known to the sorting hat.


Edited to add: I just noticed that Albus Severus Potter's initials form the word "asp," which is a type of viper, a venomous snake. So maybe he ended up in Slytherin's house after all.
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Good eye there, towerdweller.

But I do believe that ASP would've been sorted into Gryffindor because, as you said, he would've followed his fathers advice. What's to say, though, that he didn't end up in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, both very noble houses?


I agree with you. I mean after what happened at Hogwarts I don't think that the Slytherin house remain the same but I think the ASP will ask the hat to chose Griffindor. It is my opinion and I think that he is a lot like his father smile.gif And it would be great to see him in HP&DH movie smile.gif


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QUOTE(Jeaneai @ Jan 21 2008, 01:18 PM) *
What's to say, though, that he didn't end up in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, both very noble houses?
It's quite possible that ASP did end up in one of the other houses. However, the Sorting Hat appears to match students' values to the house values that the Four Founders established early on at Hogwarts. Since child's values are often influenced by her/his parents, APS likely values those same things that lead to the Sorting Hat placing Harry and Ginny in Gryffindor. It would be a really big story if he landed anyplace but Gryffindor tower.


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I would like to see him be a Slytherin. They need a solid nice guy in that house and what better credentials than Albus, whose dad is Harry Potter and who is named after DD and the latest Slytherin hero - Severus Snape. Albus is also the one with Lily's green eyes. It would be fitting for those green eyes that Snape loved to belong to the Green and Silver house. And it would be a great continuation of the story to have him be the odd Sytherin in a house of Gryffindors - a bit like the reverse of Sirius.


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A middle (birth order) child (or was he possibly adopted??), carrying 2 (actually 3) very powerful names. A direct relative to the Gaunts (but not a descendant of Salazar Slytherin?). 3/4 magical, 1/4 muggle-born grandparents. And how far will the Sorting Hat be willing to go along with Albus Severus wishes? Besides, who are the First Years he meets on the Hogwarts Express, and what Houses are they sorted into?

If Slughorn is still around, A.S. will be an easy target for him. So what House does he get sorted into? Well let's look at it from this perspective. James is in Gryffindor. He bullies Albus Severus a lot, it seems. How long is the train ride to Hogsmeade Station? He's got some time to think and to "sort out his priorities." Would Harry or Ginny be disappointed if he weren't in Gryffindor? My guess, yes (more Giny). This is a lot of pressure to put on an 11 year old.

I woud be completely baffled, if I didn't take his name into consideration. Albus Dumbledore - Gryffindor(?), Severus Snape - Slytherin. Potter family - Gryffindor (?). Does it really matter? YES, it does; otherwise this thread would never have been initiated.

ANSWER: Slytherin. Why? Albus Severus' challenge is to break free from the "common mold" of the Potters. As good a brother that James must be to him, there are a few things that we can infer about this First Year: He is not his older brother. He does not seem to be a follower (in the traditional sense.) Harry made it OK for him to be a Slytherin - lucky in fact for Slytherin House to have him. 2nd birth order children are often left-handed; a sign of seeking new ways to accomplish a task; or to bring about change (thinking outside of the box). Finally, had Snape not been into the DE's, Lily might have actually leaned toward Slytherin in the first place. Final answer: Who knows?


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QUOTE(towerdweller @ Jan 21 2008, 10:28 PM) *
QUOTE(Jeaneai @ Jan 21 2008, 01:18 PM) *
What's to say, though, that he didn't end up in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, both very noble houses?
It's quite possible that ASP did end up in one of the other houses. However, the Sorting Hat appears to match students' values to the house values that the Four Founders established early on at Hogwarts. Since child's values are often influenced by her/his parents, APS likely values those same things that lead to the Sorting Hat placing Harry and Ginny in Gryffindor. It would be a really big story if he landed anyplace but Gryffindor tower.


I suppose that you do have a point. But what's to say that Albus does not value brains more than bravery? One does not always inherit one's values from one's parents [Is that three 'one's' in one sentence? dry.gif ]

On a related note, do we happen to know which house Dumbledore was in?


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I too think ASP goes to Slytherin, as what little we see of him is more evocative of a young Snape (as seen trough The Prince's Tale) than anyone else. He's shy. He's bullied. And he's already thinking politically as evidenced by his worry over how his brother treats him and how other people will perceive him. That to me says Slytherin. And let's not forget just how conniving even the Gryffindor wizard he's named after was.

As much as JKR did little in the series to show the type of integrity that must be possible from Slytherins (you can't tell me 25% of children are just EVIL), even with their very different codes, I have to believe ASP is her stab at implying the redemption of Slytherin House -- if Harry Potter's delicate shy boy might find a home there, surely it's not such a bad place when properly lead and freed from corrupting influences?


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I know,that little Al could be in Slytherin,but I still hope that he ends up in Gryffindor.Slytherin always was so unfriendly and I like this boy very much and I don't want him to be in cold and rather spooky Slytherin.


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QUOTE(Alyonka @ Jan 22 2008, 01:28 PM) *
I know,that little Al could be in Slytherin,but I still hope that he ends up in Gryffindor.Slytherin always was so unfriendly and I like this boy very much and I don't want him to be in cold and rather spooky Slytherin.


Okay, fully admitting I am a Slytherin loyalist/apologist, but I think of myself who can be pretty shy and definitely solitary and something like Gryffindor would have scared the crap out of me and I wouldn't have taken to it like Neville eventually did. I might have been lonely in Slytherin and probably unnerved at first, but I think I would have felt okay there (or in Ravenclaw). I sort of see Gryffindor for ASP being like being surrounded by his brother times three-dozen, and I don't think he'd enjoy that.


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I'm not sure that being shy and quiet puts you in Slytherin. Neville was shy and quiet in Griffindor (though he will speak up), and I always thought DD was rather quiet. Though Snape is very shy and quiet in Slytherin, I'm sure others have been very shy and in other houses. Besides, how "shy" is Albus? I mean, James and Lily are his siblings, so I think he is certianly able to speak up if he wants (I think those types of things tend to run in families). Besides, Harry won't put ASP and James in the same room because he doesn't wany the house blown up. That seems to suggest that they would go against each other- not one person bullying a shy kid. ASP appears terribly shy in this scene because it's his first year- James was even written to once a week his first year (i think). Lily is very outspoken, but it's easy to be like that when you're not actually going. Remember how Ginny seemed so outspoken, etc. before she could go, but first year was much quiter and procted by Percy (true, she had a crush on Harry and was possesed by LV, but it was still only her first year, and she isn't "spunky" 'till she gets older). I don't think ASP is the little shy kid- just in his fist year. Because he's quiet doesn't mean he's slytherin- DD was "different" and still in griffindor (i think... I doubt he was in slytherin).

That being said, I could still see him in any house- for other reasons. I'm still not sure which, though.


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Just to make it clear, there's NOTHING in canon or J.K.'s interviews who finally solves the mistery of Albus Dumbledore's house. One thing is true, he's not Slytherin... as Severus Snape has been the first headmaster from that house since Phineas. Personally i believe he was Hufflepuff. But that's off-topic.

There where theories of Harry and Hermione being brothers justified upon her patronus being an otter, who just happens to rhyme with Potter. So i prefer dissmissing ASP right away.
I see Albus Severus more curious and keen; than brawny and wanting to prove himself, hard-working and affectous, or cold and ambitious. So for me he's clearly Ravenclaw. An eagle who wants to fly.
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I'm afraid he's in gryffindor. I mean, he is JUST like Harry, isn't he?

(Personally, I would love to see Scorpius in Gryffindor too, but he's going to be slitherin for sure...)


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QUOTE(Jeaneai @ Jan 22 2008, 12:09 PM) *
On a related note, do we happen to know which house Dumbledore was in?
On the train to Hogwarts, Hermione says, "I hope I'm in Gryffindor, it sounds by far the best; I hear Dumbledore himself was in it." (SS, pg. 106, US edition.)

That's canon enough for me!

As to ASP, I'm sure any house would be happy to have him--even Slytherin.


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Poor Albus Severus. There are all these people trying to put him in Slytherin and other houses for their own reasons (which of course may well be true in his own life anyway because, as the son of the famous Harry Potter, the wizarding world will have expectations of him). I think everything points to to him being in Gryffindor, like his parents, grandparents, and just about every other relative we know of. He clearly doesn't want to be in Slytherin, and I very much doubt the sorting hat would go against his wishes even if he was suitable for that house, which I also doubt. It is possible that he will end up in one of the other two houses, though I doubt it, because he is very like Harry was at this stage (you could even see James as like Dudley was to Harry, or indeed as Fred and George were to Ron).


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QUOTE(towerdweller @ Jan 23 2008, 01:49 AM) *
QUOTE(Jeaneai @ Jan 22 2008, 12:09 PM) *
On a related note, do we happen to know which house Dumbledore was in?
On the train to Hogwarts, Hermione says, "I hope I'm in Gryffindor, it sounds by far the best; I hear Dumbledore himself was in it." (SS, pg. 106, US edition.)

That's canon enough for me!

As to ASP, I'm sure any house would be happy to have him--even Slytherin.

Underscored is the key word: she heard, that's just what Hermione happend to listen... not a fact, sorry.
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I also think ASP ends up in Gryffindor. He's supposed to be the most like Harry.

Also, Dumbledore was in Gryffindor, at the end of GOF, DD told Harry he set fire to the draperies while talking in the Gryffindor boys dorm. He said he always hated the curtains and set them on fire accidently.

As the dorms are decorated differently depending on which house you are assigned to, this tells me he was in Gryffindor.

Also, as JKR helps with the making of the movies, I would say that she had DD in Gryffindor also, or the line would have been changed.
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I would trust anything Hermione hears and reports more than most newspapers and their fact checkers. But until the "Scottish" book is published, people may believe what they want about which house was Dumbledore's own.

As for ASP, he's only 11--far too young to know what he really wants or who he really is. Sorting "too soon" is as much about the house influencing the student as the student belonging in any particular house because of any dominant or recessive personality traits. Harry becomes who he becomes in part because of the house he was sorted into. I think the same could be said for Snape.

There is also the matter of tradition as roonwit mentioned. If Harry has any pull with the Sorting Hat, I'm sure he'd want his son in Gryffindor--no matter how his feelings may have changed for Severus Snape.


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I noticed the initials too, and maybe he would be in slytherin, i mean, although most slytherins we've seen have done bad things that can't be true of every person that has been in the house for one thousand years. I don't believe it's fair to say that those with ambition and who want power are bad, some people want to do good things with power, they still want it though, also, it's not like the hat is always right, look at snape, in the end he had more courage than anyone and look at wormtail, he was most certainly not courageous and did not belong in gryffindor. I hope Al did end up in slytherin, and I'm sure Harry would be proud either way.
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QUOTE(chloe squibbulus @ Jan 22 2008, 11:02 AM) *
I would like to see him be a Slytherin. They need a solid nice guy in that house and what better credentials than Albus, whose dad is Harry Potter and who is named after DD and the latest Slytherin hero - Severus Snape. Albus is also the one with Lily's green eyes. It would be fitting for those green eyes that Snape loved to belong to the Green and Silver house. And it would be a great continuation of the story to have him be the odd Sytherin in a house of Gryffindors - a bit like the reverse of Sirius.

Although I agree with wanting to see ASP in Slytherin, I have to disagree with your other points. The reason why I would like to see ASP in Slytherin is not for vengeance or to prove someone wrong: I want it as a sort of Slytherin redemption; an olive branch of sorts. With his brilliant green eyes, I often associated him to this olive branch of peace. After the war, Slytherin probably was in rambles and prejudices die hard. As the son of Harry Potter himself and looking so much like him, it would've been great to see him show the world that houses really do not matter-it is the heart and one's choices. His name being Albus Severus (a Gryffindor and a Slytherin), I find this even more appropros.

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QUOTE(dreampotter @ Jan 23 2008, 01:42 PM) *
Also, Dumbledore was in Gryffindor, at the end of GOF, DD told Harry he set fire to the draperies while talking in the Gryffindor boys dorm. He said he always hated the curtains and set them on fire accidently.

As the dorms are decorated differently depending on which house you are assigned to, this tells me he was in Gryffindor.

Sorry, that's the movie... another no-canon reference. The most canonical reference is at HP Lexicon. And it still listed with a "probably"... only a fact will remove that word and point out Albus Dumbledore's true house.

Back on topic, i also used to think that Albus Severus could've ended in Slytherin... but not for that nonsense of his initials, but from Harry's commentary about nothing wrong with being snake.
As i stated before, i tried to look deeper and what the most points out to me is his endless curiosity. I see him as a Ravenclaw... and Harry telling him: my first girlfriend was an eagle.
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James is in Gryffindor. He bullies Albus Severus a lot, it seems. How long is the train ride to Hogsmeade Station? He's got some time to think and to "sort out his priorities." Would Harry or Ginny be disappointed if he weren't in Gryffindor? My guess, yes (more Giny). This is a lot of pressure to put on an 11 year old.

ANSWER: Slytherin. Why? Albus Severus' challenge is to break free from the "common mold" of the Potters. As good a brother that James must be to him, there are a few things that we can infer about this First Year: He is not his older brother. He does not seem to be a follower (in the traditional sense.) Harry made it OK for him to be a Slytherin - lucky in fact for Slytherin House to have him. 2nd birth order children are often left-handed; a sign of seeking new ways to accomplish a task; or to bring about change (thinking outside of the box). Finally, had Snape not been into the DE's, Lily might have actually leaned toward Slytherin in the first place. Final answer: Who knows?



QUOTE(branswilliamrochester @ Jan 24 2008, 08:08 AM) *
The reason why I would like to see ASP in Slytherin is not for vengeance or to prove someone wrong: I want it as a sort of Slytherin redemption; an olive branch of sorts. With his brilliant green eyes, I often associated him to this olive branch of peace. After the war, Slytherin probably was in rambles and prejudices die hard. As the son of Harry Potter himself and looking so much like him, it would've been great to see him show the world that houses really do not matter-it is the heart and one's choices. His name being Albus Severus (a Gryffindor and a Slytherin), I find this even more appropros.

Or am I being biased here? smile.gif


I think these are both good posts. My other half and I both think he'd be Slytherin. I think that Harry's reassurance about it not really mattering which house he's in, and the fact that he has Severus as his second name (who Harry tells him is the bravest wizard he knew) might be in his thoughts at the time of sorting. It also depends on who he meets and I would guess he'd avoid his brother for the journey (or vice versa).

Also, JK says she's most interested in Albus out of Harry's children - she said this in the documentary on ITV on 30 Dec when drawing the Weasley/Potter family trees. She must already have in mind a complex character then. It makes me wonder if her suggestion that she MIGHT come back to the world in say 10 years time - in actual date terms this is pretty much when Albus first goes to school!* - might be to write about Albus.

*Harry born 1980, school 1991, end DH 1998 + 19 years = 2017


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It also depends on who he meets and I would guess he'd avoid his brother for the journey (or vice versa).
Actually, I doubt it matters who he meets, because one major difference between Albus and Harry is that Albus has grown up in a wizarding environment. and he will know all about the various houses and what sort of people they attract. Harry might have been persuaded by who he met, though I think one of the purposes of the sorting hat is to make sure that pupils have a true impression of the house they are picking. So I think Albus' statement "I won't! I won't be in Slytherin!" is a fair reflection of his opinion, and won't change when he gets to the sorting hat. And I doubt it is the first time Harry has told his children that it doesn't matter what house they are in.
I doubt James will hang out with his brother though, however I can see Al and Rose traveling together, possibly meeting up with other first years (maybe other Weasley children, other children they vaguely know, or some muggle borns).


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The most canonical reference is at HP Lexicon. And it still listed with a "probably"... only a fact will remove that word and point out Albus Dumbledore's true house.
The Lexicon is an independent (fan run) web site, which is a good source of information about the HP world, but is certainly NOT canon. The only website that should be considered canon is JKR's own.


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So I think Albus' statement "I won't! I won't be in Slytherin!" is a fair reflection of his opinion, and won't change when he gets to the sorting hat.
Well said. This is one of the reasons why I feel ASP will end up in Gryffindor.


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It does present an interesting scenario though...what does happen to children who are sorted into a house that they really don't like? I often wonder about whether or not the hat always lets the child's opinion sway his decision. It would seem, with Slytherin's rather dark reputation, that not everyone who is sorted into it would necessarily want to be there. But just look at the fandom. When polls are taken, the overwhelming amount of people want to be Gryffindor, yet if we were all sorted, only a percentage of us would be, the rest would be in a house we didn't want to be in as much.

Oh and...branswilliamrochester, I wasn't trying to imply at all that ASP should be a Slytherin for some sort of vengeance. I also want him to be a Slytherin for the redemption of the house - since Slytherin is a little vilified in the HP books (and after all its approx. one quarter of all wizards in England). I just thought it would be interesting to have ASP have to fight with the prejudice of all his family against the Slytherins in the same way Sirius had to fight it again his Slytherin family. (Harry, Ron and most Gryffindors are a bit prejudiced against Slytherin really... those houses seem to have the most contention.) I actually don't personally feel like a Slytherin, but I often feel that their house needs to have some more heroes. So I think it would be a great feather in Slytherin's cap to have ASP. And I am sure he would do great things there (or in any of the houses).


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I just thought it would be interesting to have ASP have to fight with the prejudice of all his family against the Slytherins in the same way Sirius had to fight it again his Slytherin family.
But Albus shows no signs of wanting to fight against the rest of his family.
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(Harry, Ron and most Gryffindors are a bit prejudiced against Slytherin really... those houses seem to have the most contention.)
Actually, from Harry's point of view it is a pretty fair assessment, because most of the Slytherins he has close contact with fit exactly into how he sees the house (Draco, Crabbe and Goyle are all death eater's sons and seem to be heading that way themselves, as is Snape, who consistently shows Harry his evil side, Pansy is a bully, Regulus started out as a death eater even if he thought better of it later, and even Slughorn, whose heart is in the right place seems naturally prejudiced against muggle borns even if he overcomes that when its suits his purposes. And of course there is the arch-Slytherin Voldemort, and Harry has to battle Slytherin's monster). And judging by Albus's reaction to the suggestion that he might be in Slytherin, he wholeheartedly shares his family's opinion. Albus might see a less nasty Slytherin house, but that will be after he has been sorted into Gryffindor. If you want to see someone reform Slytherin house, what about Scorpius?


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Albus might see a less nasty Slytherin house, but that will be after he has been sorted into Gryffindor. If you want to see someone reform Slytherin house, what about Scorpius?

Well, Scorpius would be a good candidate also. It would be great to see Scorpius and ASP become good friends for that matter - whatever their houses would be. I am not trying to set up a fight per se between ASP and his Gryffindor family and friends, its just that it would force them all to open up their minds a bit to Slytherin not always being the darkest house. I just also don't want to see ASP as simply a chip off the old block. He could be much more than simply a repeat of the person his father is - just for adding interest to the story.


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I just also don't want to see ASP as simply a chip off the old block. He could be much more than simply a repeat of the person his father is - just for adding interest to the story.
Actually, I think it is almost inevitable that Albus will be similar to Harry because Ginny is similar to Harry in many ways as well. So for example it is very likely that Albus will be good at Quiddiitch, though with all the other Weasleys in Gryfindor there will be plenty of good Quidditch players to choose from and Albus won't be on the team as early as Harry was. But the big difference between Harry and Albus is that Albus has a proper family, and no-one is trying to kill him, so he will probably develop differently to Harry even though I suspect they are very similar. And that seems to be very much how Jo is using Albus, to show us what Harry's life would have been like if Voldemort had never interfered.


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Actually, I think it is almost inevitable that Albus will be similar to Harry because Ginny is similar to Harry in many ways as well. So for example it is very likely that Albus will be good at Quiddiitch, though with all the other Weasleys in Gryfindor there will be plenty of good Quidditch players to choose from and Albus won't be on the team as early as Harry was. But the big difference between Harry and Albus is that Albus has a proper family, and no-one is trying to kill him, so he will probably develop differently to Harry even though I suspect they are very similar. And that seems to be very much how Jo is using Albus, to show us what Harry's life would have been like if Voldemort had never interfered.

I love how you said that. I never thought of it that way, but yes, that makes sense. Ginny even has the red hair and fiery personality as did Lily. Nice connection! smile.gif

As for Scorpius being a redemption of Slytherin...I'm not quite sure about that. Possibly a redemption of the Malfoys, but the Slytherins? I do not think that the Malfoys were completely forgiven after the war, and their name is still a bit besmirched with the past deeds. The wizarding world does not seem to forget very easily of past misdeeds. I still believe Albus to be the most effective redemption for Slytherin, but then again, I do not want him to be obligated to do something because he is the only one who can- just like Harry being obligated to save the world as he is the Chosen One...I want Albus to be able to live the childhood Harry never had.


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Harry Potter was in the end set upon this world to make the Wizarding world a better place,
so it's nothing more then logic that his lookalike son - the Harry Potter without the damages - is placed to do his job on his level.

And the Sorting is far more a matter of choice then the pupils realised, that is what is made clear to Albus.
the choice is also not only made by ancestry, that is what we are told, but when you read closely, you realise that the choice is made by whom and how one meets other wizards. Harry chooses on the train, not under the Hat.
Even Sirius choose on the train, the moment he meets James and Snape it's clear to him that Gryffindor is his place, more or less to spite others, what is the core of his nature.
So Albus could make his choice on the train too. As with his father the encounter with Draco versus Ron was instrumenal, an encounter with Scorpius could be instrumental.
A Scorpius, who isn't that bad a guy as the Potter-kids thought Malfoys are. JKR said something along the line that Scorpius was a better man then his father. JKR works in trio's: the Golden Trio Harry-Ron-Hermione, the secondairy trio Neville-Ginny-Luna.
So it's to be expected there will be a third trio: Albus-Rose-Scorpius.
Not Albus-Rose-James, because James acts to Albus as Fred&George acted to Ron.
When JKR says Scorpius a better man then his father I think that is because he doesn't have the flaw Draco has.
Besides being selfish, Draco lacks courage, courage to make decisions, he as always the first to run.
So if that's what sets Scorpius apart from his father, I would not be surpriced he ends up in Gryffindor,
although after have given Albus a change of hearts about Slytherin.


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Harry Potter was in the end set upon this world to make the Wizarding world a better place,
so it's nothing more then logic that his lookalike son - the Harry Potter without the damages - is placed to do his job on his level.
No it isn't logic, because there is no reason why Albus has to do anything. That is also a similarity between Albus, and the life Harry would have had if Voldemort hadn't singled him out. Without the prophecy, and Voldemort deciding that Harry was a threat to him, there would be no weight of expectation on Harry, he would just be a normal person, who would probably still have opposed Voldemort as the likes of Seamus, Dean and Neville did, but just as one of the crowd, not with any special role. And I think that is one of the important things about Albus that he isn't particularly special. Of course he had a famous father but even that novelty would soon wear off, particularly as James would have got the older pupils used to having a Potter at Hogwarts.
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And the Sorting is far more a matter of choice then the pupils realised, that is what is made clear to Albus.
the choice is also not only made by ancestry, that is what we are told, but when you read closely, you realise that the choice is made by whom and how one meets other wizards. Harry chooses on the train, not under the Hat.
Yes it is choice, and Albus makes it pretty clear that he won't choose Slytherin. But I disagree that choices are in general made on the train. All the Weasleys and all the Blacks except Sirius chose to stick with their family background. Maybe it is more true of those from muggle backgrounds being influenced by who they meet on the train, but Harry's choice to reject Slytherin was as much made in Diagon Alley as it was on the train. Sirius is of course the type of reckless person who would desert his family's house on a whim, but I doubt that is true of Albus.


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Actually, I think it is almost inevitable that Albus will be similar to Harry because Ginny is similar to Harry in many ways as well. So for example it is very likely that Albus will be good at Quiddiitch, though with all the other Weasleys in Gryfindor there will be plenty of good Quidditch players to choose from and Albus won't be on the team as early as Harry was. But the big difference between Harry and Albus is that Albus has a proper family, and no-one is trying to kill him, so he will probably develop differently to Harry even though I suspect they are very similar. And that seems to be very much how Jo is using Albus, to show us what Harry's life would have been like if Voldemort had never interfered.

I don't think it is inevitable though. That's just going with the trend. We could have said the same thing about Sirius...that it was almost inevitable that he would be a Slytherin. But he wasn't. We really know very little about Albus yet, except that he is rather sensitive (James' antics get under his skin) and seems like Harry in that he forms strong attachments to people (wants to make sure he will get some letters). He has Lily's eyes, which has been a significant part of the series. But we haven't seen enough of him to know that much about him and he is very young. He does seem to have some of Harry's temperament, but on the other hand he doesn't seem terribly brave on the surface.

I would much rather see him be his own type than be basically a repeat of Harry. I think this would make the story less predictable and more interesting to me.


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I don't think it is inevitable though. That's just going with the trend. We could have said the same thing about Sirius...that it was almost inevitable that he would be a Slytherin. But he wasn't. We really know very little about Albus yet, except that he is rather sensitive (James' antics get under his skin) and seems like Harry in that he forms strong attachments to people (wants to make sure he will get some letters). He has Lily's eyes, which has been a significant part of the series. But we haven't seen enough of him to know that much about him and he is very young. He does seem to have some of Harry's temperament, but on the other hand he doesn't seem terribly brave on the surface.
Actually, I wouldn't have thought it was inevitable that Sirius end up in Slytherin. He hated everything to do with his parents pureblood mania, which is a big part of Slytherin House. Also, we do know something else about Albus Severus. He desperately doesn't want to be in Slytherin.

I think folks need to drop their own agendas and accept that Albus will almost surely be in Gryffindor.


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I don't think it is inevitable though. That's just going with the trend. We could have said the same thing about Sirius...that it was almost inevitable that he would be a Slytherin. But he wasn't.
As harrydavid points out, it was far from inevitable that Sirius would be a Slytherin. We know he is a rebel and rather reckless, and exactly the sort of person who would chose a different house, and I think we would have seen that had we followed him to the train.
QUOTE(chloe squibbulus @ Jan 30 2008, 02:56 AM) *
We really know very little about Albus yet, except that he is rather sensitive (James' antics get under his skin) and seems like Harry in that he forms strong attachments to people (wants to make sure he will get some letters). He has Lily's eyes, which has been a significant part of the series. But we haven't seen enough of him to know that much about him and he is very young. He does seem to have some of Harry's temperament, but on the other hand he doesn't seem terribly brave on the surface.
But Harry wasn't that brave at this stage, nor was Neville. And I think that Albus is rather in the shadow of his brother, but starting school were he is mostly in the company of others will give a chance for his bravery to show itself. But in any case lack of bravery would surely mean he wouldn't choose to rebel by picking Slytherin (and it would have to be a choice, Albus doesn't show any natural affinity for that house), though of course it might end him up in one of the other two houses.
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I would much rather see him be his own type than be basically a repeat of Harry. I think this would make the story less predictable and more interesting to me.
But one of the things Harry was fighting for was the normality that meant that his children don't have to have an interesting story, and can have a normal and relatively uneventful life, and not have to save the wizarding world at regular intervals. Of course they can still go on to do great things, but that is their choice, a choice that Harry never really had.


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But one of the things Harry was fighting for was the normality that meant that his children don't have to have an interesting story, and can have a normal and relatively uneventful life, and not have to save the wizarding world at regular intervals. Of course they can still go on to do great things, but that is their choice, a choice that Harry never really had.


Very true roonwit. Harry never had a normal life till he was 18 or so. It was just one thing after another till then. Harry and many others were fighting for that normal happy life that was denied them by Voldemort. I love the way Remus put it when Harry tells him he's sorry he died just when he had his son ~ "I'm sorry too. Sorry that I will never know him. But he will know why I died, and I hope he will understand that I was trying to make a world in which he could live a happier life." heart.gif

Coming back to the topic, Albus was very clear he didn't want to go to Slytherin. IMO he went to Gryffindor like his parents and elder brother. Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff could come into the picture, but I somehow don't think so. He would have grown up listening to tales of bravery and courage and would have grown to value those qualities more than anything else.

And Albus didn't hate his parents' viewpoint to want to be different and go to a different house. And I'm sure he loved his elder brother a lot even though he was teased quite mercilessly by James. He wanted to follow in their footsteps and go in Gryffindor, even though he only expressed his fear of being sorted in Slytherin. It was a worst-case scenario for him. As for bravery, like roonwit said, Harry himself didn't display the stupendous amount of courage he had when we met him at the Dursleys. Albus does seem to be a chip off the old block to me and I can see him at the same time being happy and heaving a sigh of relief when the hat announces "Gryffindor" after he puts it on. biggrin.gif


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It's like Harry said, probably he asked to the sorting hat put him in Gryffindor, because was what he really wanted. During the books we never noticed someone in the "wrong house", the house he or she doesn't want to be

It's a minor point, but Harry never asked to be in Gryffindor. His only request was to not go to Slytherin. This also happens to be Albus' wish. Harry expressed no concern about the other houses and neither does Albus.


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It's a minor point, but Harry never asked to be in Gryffindor. His only request was to not go to Slytherin. This also happens to be Albus' wish. Harry expressed no concern about the other houses and neither does Albus.
That is certainly true of Harry. It is however less certain in the case of Albus. He certainly shares Harry's "not Slytherin" wish, but I think Albus will have a preference for Gryffindor, where most of his family have ended up, probably including most of his Weasley cousins, though I doubt he would mind too much if he ended up in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff.


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I just find it very interesting that everyone is so vehement about ASP being a Gryffindor. Its not as though Rowling has told us what he is yet, so its all speculation. You may think Rowling will go that way with his character, but I am not so sure I agree. And personally, since we don't know, I would rather see him not be just like Harry.

Also, we don't know that much about what Sirius was like when he was 11. I think you are basing your ideas of him not wanting to be a Slytherin on his older self.

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It's like Harry said, probably he asked to the sorting hat put him in Gryffindor, because was what he really wanted. During the books we never noticed someone in the "wrong house", the house he or she doesn't want to be

But as I pointed out before. There have been polls that show that the overwhelming majority of people who choose a house, will choose Gryffindor. Yet in the books, the kids are split up pretty much evenly in 4 houses. So obviously, not all of us (if we were wizards) would make it into Gryffindor. No, the books don't really show us kids not liking the house they are in. But they might just come to like it (most people get used to what they are around), or we might just not have heard from the right people.


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Also, we don't know that much about what Sirius was like when he was 11. I think you are basing your ideas of him not wanting to be a Slytherin on his older self.
Not really. We are including it in our considerations, but really the rebellious nature of Sirius and his dislike of his family's views are entirely consistent with his behaviour on the train where he seems unhappy that family tradition destines him for Slytherin, and decides that it might be fun to rebel.
But I do think that the desire to put Albus in Slytherin is going against what is in the books. Albus has a very clear preference - not Slytherin - and a family background that through nature and nurture that will destine him for Gryffindor. He also shows no characteristics that would make him suitable for Slytherin. So it is much more than just everyone wanting to be in Gryffindor, which I doubt is true in the wizarding world anyway. It is natural that readers of the books should be biased towards Gryffindor where most of the characters they know are placed, but the wizarding world at large will have a much broader experience.


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It is natural that readers of the books should be biased towards Gryffindor where most of the characters they know are placed, but the wizarding world at large will have a much broader experience.

I still say we don't know that much about Albus. We have a snapshot only. I think your point about readers of the books being biased towards Gryffindor is true and it is part of what I am trying to point out. We are reading the whole HP series from a biased point of view - that of Gryffindor being the best house told from the perspective of a famous and wonderful Gryffindor who loves it. I just think there are many other potential perspectives that would make a new series or any further books very interesting (like, as I suggested placing Albus in Slytherin). I am not trying to ruin the child, I just think that Rowling has already done the Gryffindor perspective. I would like to see the next perspective be from one of the other houses, because they probably think that they are the best too. Besides, I don't think that really 1/4 of all wizards are necessarily bad just because they are in Slytherin. Also, there are bad folks from the others houses as well (though I admit not in the same numbers as Slytherin). I think a book that was about a child from Slytherin like Snape and all his conflicts would be very interesting. Or a book about a child of Luna's who is a Ravenclaw. Or about the little celebrated Hufflepuffs. I just would get rather tired of just a repeat of the same character type in the same house for any more books. But perhaps Albus won't really be the subject of another book. Still...I would in my own mind rather see him differentiated from his dad. Harry shared some of James' qualities but he wasn't as mean or as arrogant as James. There is no reason that Albus can't be somewhat like Harry but different too.


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Albus doesn't have to be sorted into a different house to show that he is different from his father Chloe. hogwarts.gif We have in our trio three totally different personalities in Harry, Ron and Hermione. But all of them were Gryffindors. Albus Severus could very well be in Gryffindor and be quite different from Harry as Harry like you said, was different then James.

Mind you, I'm not asserting that Albus has to go in Gryffindor. It's just that, I feel he'll go to Gryffindor given his anti-Slytherin stand and background. smile.gif


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What I think we need to remember though is that Harry wasn't put into Gryffindor because he wanted to be, he just wasn't put into Slytherin. He had elements of both houses in him (the Gryffindor predominantly in his own character and Slytherin in the Voldemort piece of soul in him). The sorting hat may have chosen to put him in Gryffindor only because he really had elements of both, and obviously, the Slytherin part was smaller than the Gryffindor part.

However, most people don't have two souls in them. So I don't think that the Sorting Hat's decision is necessarily an indication that it always takes the person's choice into account more than just as a final element that would end a toss up. It took Harry's into account because that was the only good reason to choose one over the other. On the average person there would be less reason for a split. And still, it would only be between the houses that really share elements of the person's character. I am not convinced at all that the Sorting Hat would put anyone into a house they wanted, simply because they wanted it. Or in the reverse situation that the Hat would choose not put someone in a house, simply because they didn't like it. I think this sort of thinking makes that hat into a lot more of a decision making entity that it seems really to be. Its purpose is just to assess the character of each child and place it in the house that it fits best in. I don't think the hat's job is as a judge, who can be influenced by persuasion - otherwise all children might just choose their own house and they wouldn't need to bother with the hat at all.

And it IS very interesting that Albus' name forms the acronym ASP. Rowling is way too conscious of names not to have noticed this. So I don't think it is such a slam dunk that Albus is a Gryffindor.


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I'd like to think that he'd be put in Slytherin. Mainly because I'd like to see a 'good guy' (I assume) become a Slytherin. Since Slytherin is no longer the house it was, it would be interesting and probably help Slytherin's image.

However, it's probably more likely that ASP asked the hat to put him in Gryffindor, so that's where he'd be.

I would really like it if some of the children went into houses other than Gryffindor though; if Rose was a Ravenclaw, for example.
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in one of my fanfics, I had Albus sit in the Sorting ceremony, then the Hat says:

“Ahh another Potter? Yes I Sorted your father to. He had all the material for Slytherin but he asked me to put him In Gryffindor. And you possess all the qualities your father has: Talent a thirst to prove yourself, determination, and resourcefulness… But where should I put you?”
“Not Slytherin, Please not Slytherin.” Albus whispered mortified
“Not Slytherin eh? You are your father all over again Potter. I was never going to put you in Slytherin. But are you sure? You could be great. Its all here and Slytherin will help you achieve greatness no doubt about that. No? In that case… I’m going to put you in:
“GRYFFINDOR!” the Hat bellowed for the hall to hear

so yes, i think the hat hesitates with his sorting and ASP begs for Gryffindor like Harry did

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However, most people don't have two souls in them. So I don't think that the Sorting Hat's decision is necessarily an indication that it always takes the person's choice into account more than just as a final element that would end a toss up.
It is probably much more common than you suggest. We know that the hat seriously considered putting Hermione in Ravenclaw, and takes a long time over many decisions. In this case however I doubt it matters because Albus will prefer Gryffindor and will be suited for Gryffindor, and he neither wants nor is suited to Slytherin.


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"Ahh another Potter? Yes I Sorted your father to. He had all the material for Slytherin but he asked me to put him In Gryffindor. And you possess all the qualities your father has: Talent a

Sorry, but it was to not put him there. Stated many time throughout this thread. Also, James Sirius already would've been selected by the time Albus Severus puts the hat on.

Certainly J.K. has a name-mania, but acronym-mania? huh.gif

I still think curiosity is what encompasses Albus Severus more, that's why i believe he'll fit very well in Ravenclaw. James Sirius going to Hufflepuff and Lily Luna going to Slytherin will get a full hogwartsian family... biggrin.gif
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What about Ravenclaw? There are suggestions in the epilogue that Albus Potter has a more sensitve and reflective nature than his older brother, James who seems to have a character not unlike his namesake. Ravenclaw would seem to be the house for the more tender souls, a classic example is Luna and even Cho was quite a sensitive type. Also as the times in which Albus has grown up are kinder that those of his parents or his grandparents, Albus may focus more of his energy towards learnedness and less towards bravery. Lily, James snr, Sirius, Remus and Hermione would all appear to have Ravenclaw's 'ready wit' as well as Gryffindor's 'brave at heart'. Why did the sorting hat then preference one attribute over the other? Could it be because the times they lived through would demand it of them so much more? Who really knows but it's just a thought.
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I think the house he ends up in depends a lot on what happens between when we see him and his Sorting. I think the reassurance by Harry that he does have a choice and it doesn't matter if he's in Slytherin, might make him more receptive to the idea: sometimes if you feel you have a choice in something it can feel less daunting than something you have to do.

I like to think he would be a Slytherin, it would be nice to have an example of a 'good' Slytherin which we don't really get much of in the books. Yes, there's Snape, but I'm not sure how much that counts. Plus it would help to break down some of the prejudices in the WW if Harry's son was a Slytherin. And his initials are ASP. However, from what we see of him he doesn't seem to have many of the character traits of Slytherin. He does seem to want to live up to his reputation as Harry's son, which might be classed as ambition, I guess... hmm, it's a difficult question.

I don't think he is a carbon copy of Harry, but neither is he a total contrast: I think Al is his own person and I like the fact that his personality doesn't revolve around a projection of Harry into the future. Some things are similar .e.g. the nervousness about Hogwarts, but for Harry that was because it was a totally new world, while that isn't the case for Al.
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I can't see him in Slytherin. I think the only reason the hat considered putting Harry there is because of his LV soul bit.

Of the other 3 houses I'm not sure? We didn't get to see enough of him to find out if he's smart enough for Ravenclaw. We know Harry's mom was very smart so perhaps Albus inherited some of Lilly's brains and goes to Ravenclaw.

He seemed apprehensive and insecure to me in the small amount of time we had with him and like someone that's very willing to please, so Hufflepuff wouldn't surprise me either.

I'd have to say though that the logical assumption would be Gryffindor. Although based on the fact that James seemed to be somewhat of a jerk I could see Albus out of no where asking the hat to put him not with his brother.


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well as ron said that his daughter should beat scorpius in everything, it means that scorpius mught hit on her and maybe ASP might get pissed off


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I cant see the sorting hat putting ASP in slytherin as he shows us for some reason that possibility is a clear and present fear for him(Im really curious to know why he fears being put in slytherin so much) Even from the little bit that is written about ASP it seems to show him as being quite quiet, reserved or shy and somebody whocould be quite a deep thinker, unlike his out going older brother james(who's personality we glimpse could be a combination of his name sake and his uncles fred and george. If not gryffindor like his dad I could envisage ASP being a hufflepuff.
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I cant see the sorting hat putting ASP in slytherin as he shows us for some reason that possibility is a clear and present fear for him(Im really curious to know why he fears being put in slytherin so much)
It is probably in part that his family have in general seen the worst side of Slytherin house, and whereas his parents were probably careful to present a balanced view of the houses, I doubt his uncle Ron was quite as restrained. I think it is also likely that his brother's teasing that he might be in Slytherin, together with a rather negative depiction of the house from his brother has made him determined to be in Gryffindor.


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QUOTE(roonwit @ Feb 8 2008, 05:05 AM) *
It is probably in part that his family have in general seen the worst side of Slytherin house, and whereas his parents were probably careful to present a balanced view of the houses, I doubt his uncle Ron was quite as restrained. I think it is also likely that his brother's teasing that he might be in Slytherin, together with a rather negative depiction of the house from his brother has made him determined to be in Gryffindor.


I agree. Ron is not exactly known for his restraint in voicing his opinions on Slytherins. And I'm sure Al would have heard plenty in his 11 years to turn him against Slytherin even if his parents didn't say anything on the subject at home. smile.gif

Harry had a horror of being sorted into Slytherin even though only two people gave him a preview of sorts. One was Hagrid and the other Draco. Agreed, that Harry would have turned against the house that had in it's illustrious ranks his parents' murderer. But, Al could have gathered that too over the years. I simply can't believe that James, Al and Lily didn't know absolutely anything about their father and Voldemort. Harry would have watered down the details enough to make Al ask why people were staring at him at the station, but the children would surely have heard things about the great war.

As for Al and James, I really don't think Al disliked his brother or his attitude or even wanted to be different from him, or was afraid of him in any way. In fact, the impression I got was just the opposite. Al loved his elder brother even though he got teased and wanted to be like him a lot. Al asks his parents if they'd write to him and when Ginny assures him they would, just like they wrote to James, he is mollified a bit.

Al sets a lot of store by what his elder brother tells him and it shows that he does value his brother's words, and it takes his parent's reassurance to the contrary for him to negate them. If anything, Al would choose to go where his brother had been sorted and not otherwise.
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QUOTE(rowena r @ Feb 8 2008, 08:46 AM) *
QUOTE(roonwit @ Feb 8 2008, 05:05 AM) *
It is probably in part that his family have in general seen the worst side of Slytherin house, and whereas his parents were probably careful to present a balanced view of the houses, I doubt his uncle Ron was quite as restrained. I think it is also likely that his brother's teasing that he might be in Slytherin, together with a rather negative depiction of the house from his brother has made him determined to be in Gryffindor.


I agree. Ron is not exactly known for his restraint in voicing his opinions on Slytherins. And I'm sure Al would have heard plenty in his 11 years to turn him against Slytherin even if his parents didn't say anything on the subject at home. smile.gif

Harry had a horror of being sorted into Slytherin even though only two people gave him a preview of sorts. One was Hagrid and the other Draco. Agreed, that Harry would have turned against the house that had in it's illustrious ranks his parents' murderer. But, Al could have gathered that too over the years. I simply can't believe that James, Al and Lily didn't know absolutely anything about their father and Voldemort. Harry would have watered down the details enough to make Al ask why people were staring at him at the station, but the children would surely have heard things about the great war.

As for Al and James, I really don't think Al disliked his brother or his attitude or even wanted to be different from him, or was afraid of him in any way. In fact, the impression I got was just the opposite. Al loved his elder brother even though he got teased and wanted to be like him a lot. Al asks his parents if they'd write to him and when Ginny assures him they would, just like they wrote to James, he is mollified a bit.

Al sets a lot of store by what his elder brother tells him and it shows that he does value his brother's words, and it takes his parent's reassurance to the contrary for him to negate them. If anything, Al would choose to go where his brother had been sorted and not otherwise.
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I wouldnt applaud Ron for instilling a prejudice into an impressionable child about Slytherin house, which basicly will mean he would constantly see them as the "enemy".


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I never read Ron's remark as something serious.
I think that JKR more or less put this in to show that Ron feels mature and secure enough to make off color jokes.
His brothers always were the jokers and he the one with the grumpy often rude remarks
( against Moaning Myrtle or Nearly Headless Nick)
After being a guineapig for his brothers for 11 year and sidekick for the Boy Who Lived for another 7 years he now is
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He is in the position as he saw himself in the Mirror of Erised.
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QUOTE(kamion @ Feb 8 2008, 04:47 PM) *
I never read Ron's remark as something serious.
I think that JKR more or less put this in to show that Ron feels mature and secure enough to make off color jokes.
His brothers always were the jokers and he the one with the grumpy often rude remarks
( against Moaning Myrtle or Nearly Headless Nick)
After being a guineapig for his brothers for 11 year and sidekick for the Boy Who Lived for another 7 years he now is
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He is in the position as he saw himself in the Mirror of Erised.
That's what is pictured, not fueling another start of House feud.


maybe..... but their is a place and a time for "jokes", i thought Harry had a much more mature approach when he said it didnt really matter what house he was in.


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I always got the feeling from hermiones remark to ron about him not turning rosie against slytherin and harry remark about not minding him being in slytherin. that maybe they hadn't told the children that in their time slytherin was estranged from the rest of the school. I thought that after the end of the war that the houses reconciled as slytherin did play their part albeit a small part. I thought once the new wizarding order took over that it would be that hogwarts had returned to its heyday where the houses were united.
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i always thought that Albus S. would do what harry did when he was 11. He's only 11 and wouldn't think like Harry is thinking at the Station, tat slytherin isint as bad as its made out to be and that good people have come out of it. But, if you were the son of Harry Potter, one of the greatest Gryffindors EVER!!!, and you were told that you could choose Gryffindor over Slytherin, what would you choose? He would ask the sorting hat to be in Gryffindor.

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I haven't read all of the previous posts so I'm sorry if I repeat anything that's already been said, but I don't think I will

I like to think that Al would've ended up in Slytherin for a few reasons:

- Mainly, he doesn't want to live his whole life in his grandfather's, father's, or brother's shadow. His whole family is made up of brave, nobel Gryffindors, and being sorted into Slytherin would definitely make him stand out from the rest of the Potter males.

- I feel like Harry's personality was really split between his two sons- James seems to be the more boisterous, rambunctious, trouble-making, prankster-ish son; and Albus is the more mild-mannered, reserved, yet still very ambitious son. I picture James and Lily as being good at Quidditch and fun to have at a party, but I see Albus as more of the kind of boy who would rather sit inside and read (I read a fanfic once where Al admitted that he had absolutely no talent whatsoever on a broom, and I rather liked that idea). Now this would normally lead you to expect Ravenclaw, but I feel the other two Houses just would not suit him at all, he is too ambitous and too stubborn- he wants to be exactly like the rest of his family and be in Gryffindor, or make a statement and go the complete oppossite way- nothing in the middle will work. Sort of like Harry could most certainly have been in Hufflepuff of Ravenclaw, but the fight always seemed to be between Slytherin and Gryffindor- i think the same would go for Albus.

- I think Slytherin is still rather torn when it comes to the subject of where it's loyalties lie. I think the rest of the world still sees it as where all the dark wizards come out (and to some extent that will always be true, you can't change the past). However, in actuality, I think even people like Scorpius Malfoy (who I aslo believe would be a Slytherin) want to just move on and not have not deal with all of the anti-Death Eater prejudice that would most likely surround the house. And I think that Al would see the injustice of the situation and realize that he has the power to change it. If Harry Potter's on were to be sorted into Slytherin it would certainly make the rest of the world stop and think, and perhaps even stop the prejudice all together. It would also solve the problem of Al's ambition as changing the face of the entire Slytherin house would certainly prove to be quite the challenge...

- (This is sort of an idea for a fanfic I've been rolling around, so it's a bit more hyothtical than factual like my other reasons were but, essentially, I feel like it's definitlely a plausible reason for why Al would choose to be in Slytherin). And yes I said 'choose' because I think that after Al's conversation with his dad on the train platform he would see it as more of a choice on his part than a decision on the hat's part. And I think what really would have made it him start to seriously consider Slytherin as a reasonable house for him to be a part of is the fact that his dad finally told him a bit about the men he was named after, specifically, Snape. I think that Al would have, from an early age known who he had been named for, and over time he would have learned about the many great things that Dumbledore had done. But I think we can deduce from one of the Weasley children's (I can't recall which one at the moment) confusion as to why everyone was staring at Harry that none of the Potters or the Weasley's ever told their kids everything. And like I said, I think DD would have come up every once in a while in normal conversation, but I think Snape would have been too touchy of a subject to come up around the house, and too unknown of a subject to really come up outside the house. So I think Al would always have been curious as to why he was named after someone if they were never deemed important enough to be talked about (like the man his first name or the people his sibling's names came from). So I think the fact that Harry finally told Al that Snape was "the bravest man he ever knew" would have a profound effect on young Al. And it probably got him thinking- how was it that a man so brave that his father, the man who defaeted Voldemort, would deem him the bravest man he ever knew got sorted into Slytherin? Weren't all the brave ones supposed to get into Gryffindor? And I think it woould be this new realization that house to do not entirely define who you are and what you will become is what could lead him to go into Slytherin to prove that not everyone in the house deserves to be immediately labeled as a dark wizard or anything of the like. And I think it would also spark an interest in Snape that could lead to wanting to be a part of the house he was a part of. After all, if you were named after a man you knew nothing about and had spent the better part of your childhood wondering about, woundn't you want to learn everything you could about him.

So anyway, if you don't want to read through all of what I just wrote (and believe me, I wouldn't blame you), I think it would have been a combination of wanting to break out of the mold that every Potter beforehim had set, a new found pride in the man he had been named for, ambition, and a sense of righteousness that would lead Albus Severus to decide that Slytherin was, in fact, the house he was meant to be in.


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Ive always liked Albus Severus better than all of harry and ginny's sons and daughter. He always reminded moi of Harry himself seeing as he was a curious kid. But who's to say that he didnt end up in HUfflepuff? He might have had a good heart just like Harry.


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I rather like the idea of ASP (asp, lol) becoming a Slytherin. They could use a few more decent people to come out of that house.

I can't say for sure what house ASP would chose though, Gryffindor and Slytherin are both equally likely, given the type of person he is, and what his father told him before boarding the train.


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I think young Albus went to Slytherin. I think Albus suspected that possibility, and feared it. In that manner, he was exactly like his father when he was eleven. But unlike his father, Albus had someone to tell him that there wasn't anything wrong with going there. I think it calmed his fears and would've allowed him to be more accepting of it. I've long thought had Harry's experiences in the train been different, or he had met someone who told him there wasn't something wrong with being in Slytherin, Harry would've ended up in that house and not Slytherin.

The final point of Harry telling Albus that his choices would influence the Sorting Hat decision was to tell Albus he wasn't being dragged into it.

I can't prove it, but my gut feeling tells me Slytherin.

There is nothing to tell us about who he was, his characteristics, likes/dislikes, character, morals etc... in canon. As such, I don't think one can conclude the House using that line of thinking through canon. However, the entire topic is speculating, so that is the point here.


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Hopefully this kid got into Gryffindor where his brother could take him under his wing and help him lighten up a little. He was a bit of a worry wort and whiny, so he needed to learn to cut loose a bit and be more fun loving and mischievious like his older brother. I'm pretty sure he'd get in Gryffindor as his dad had told him he could demand it of the hat - and he sounded like he would do just that. Plus Potters were all Gryffindors, of brave heart and loyal souls or whatever the motto is. And so was Albus Dumbledore. And then would Harry be in for it...he'd have two little rabble rousing wild lads on his hands, but lots of funny and fun times too.

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i think that he would be put into Gryffindor because of the fact that he is Harry and Ginny's son and the fact that is older brother is in gyffindor if the potter famliy is anything like the weasly famliy then if the oldest child is in one house then all the other ones are going to be in the same house if you think about it like that. Gryf flag.gif


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I feel that Al wanted to be in Gryffindor, however, he wouldn't have that severe hatred of Slytherin that many others do.


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I don't think everyone gets a choice like Harry - I think Harry was hard to sort (could have done well in two houses) so the hat took his opinion into account. I don't think it does this to everyone and I could see the hat calling Slytherin or Hufflepuff as soon as the hat hits poor Albus's head not even letting his give his preference.

It seems that Albus doesn't get along well with James (James reminds me of his grandfather and I do this he probably is a bit of a stuck up bully) so Albus may decide he doesn't want to be with James too. Really I don't think we were given enough information to make a decision.
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I think he would be in slytherin. His sibbles were probebly in Gryffindor. But i think for Albus Severus he will be in a case like Sirius ( but opposite tongue.gif )


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QUOTE(wickedboy @ Mar 22 2008, 06:06 PM) *
Plus Potters were all Gryffindors, of brave heart and loyal souls or whatever the motto is.

I still wonder why there's still people getting confused. Loyal souls go to Hufflepuff, as loyalty was the most valued virtue by Helga.
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I'm inclined to think that he would go into Gryffindor, he wouldn't want to go into Slytherin, but what Harry said at the station might have changed his mind a little.


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I think he ended up in Gryffindor like the rest of his family.
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I can't remember who said it but someone made a comment of a new Trio being Rose-Albus- and Scorpious. I think that would be a neat idea (perhaps in the Pottercast Acting Troup). Think about it, what is Scorpious (of a long line of Slytherns) ended up in the same house as those two. The interaction would be fascinating between what his father has told him and what the Weasly/Potters have taught their chidren.


Anyway, where do I think Albus went? Anywhere but Slytheryn, since he seems to have that opinion. Though I think it will be the Red and Gold for him, I don't think he would care if he wore Yellow and Black, nor Bronze and Blue.



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I think it could be any of them. If he goes with tradition, then Gryffindor, if he's like Sirius, then he'll break tradition and go in Slytherin. It depends.

Going with what Harry told him in the epilogue, he may not have bad feelings towards Slytherin. Who knows, besides Jo.

If I'd have to guess I'd say Gryffindor to go with his brother. I can also see him becoming friends with Slytherins, like Scorpius. Since he was told that he was named by the bravest man his father ever knew. So, I don't know. It's a toss up. In any case I can see him becoming really popular just because he was named after two head masters and Harry Potter's son.

It makes me wonder what Draco has said about Harry to Scorpius. All very interesting stuff.


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I highly doubt that a friendship occurred between Al and Scorpius. I don't have the books on hand right now, but I do recall Ron saying something in the Epilogue and then Hermione snapping "Don't turn them against each other before they've even started school." (Quote not necessarily exact, and I know that Albus is Harry's kid, but its still the same general big happy Weasley family.)


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Im going to differ from the House talk and say something about Albus and what he is like...he seems like a nervous wreck on his way to Hogwarts, and I can't help but wonder how he got along with girls in his olders years hug.gif That would be so akward and fun to read.


I personally like to think Albus was put in Gryffindor (Because all he has to do is choose the house he wants, and why would he choose Slytherin? It just doesn't make sense) And then became apart of another trio with Rose and Scorpius. Scorpius is humiliated by the fact he was put in Gryffindor and not Slytherin like his parents, and is a big loner for a long time. He becomes friends with Rose and Albus though, realizing that he wasn't like his parents. Then Rose and Scorpius become the New Hermione and Ron, always fighting because they were brought up in different homes with different beliefs, but develope feelings for one another. And Albus tries to mediate the fights between them, while dealing with an akward crush and also involved in a big Mystery going on at the school like his dad did every year. Oh god PLEASE Jo write another book! Or someone write a similar fan fiction XD


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i think he'll be in gryfinndor because he has it in his blood because Harry pulled tha sword out of that hat that only the true gryfinndor could find.Also Ginny's family was all in gryfinndor and so was she so obviously he's gonna be in gryfinndor!

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idk about Al but i really think that Lily will be in hufflepuff because thats how she totally came off to me. she was concerned with teddys romance life and she seemed to always want to be in the converstation, like she got along with everyone. it would be nice if at least one of their kids ended up in a house other that gryffindor so that we knew it wasnt just based on the house that your family was in.


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My thought is NONE will go to Gryffindor. James to Hufflepuff, Lily to Slytherin and Albus to Ravenclaw. ;)
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tongue.gif James is already in Gryffindor. That's the whole reason for him to be aggravating his brother. I think Albus will want to be in Gryffindor just like his mum and dad. It's no big deal really. I think the more telling issue is the fact that Harry confessed to Al that he would be able to choose; letting the boy know that the sorting hat takes his choice into account - which is what the books are all about, after all.


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QUOTE(iheartrw @ Mar 29 2008, 07:03 PM) *
idk about Al but i really think that Lily will be in hufflepuff because thats how she totally came off to me. she was concerned with teddys romance life and she seemed to always want to be in the converstation, like she got along with everyone. it would be nice if at least one of their kids ended up in a house other that gryffindor so that we knew it wasnt just based on the house that your family was in.



Well, we already know it isn't based on the family. Teddy was sorted into Hufflepuff Jo revealed. Padma was Ravenclaw while Parvati was Gryffindor. Sirius was Gryffindor while his whole family was filled with Slytherins. I think Jo established that enough, and I would like to see all the Potter children by Gryffindors. We know James is one, and Albus would most likely will be one since he knows he has a choice. Lily MAY be sorted into another house...I don't know.
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QUOTE(Fortress @ Mar 29 2008, 09:02 PM) *
Well, we already know it isn't based on the family. Teddy was sorted into Hufflepuff Jo revealed.
Tonks was in Hufflepuff, too. So, that is by family. He could have gone to either Gryffindor, for his dad, or Hufflepuff, for his mum. But your point is absolutely correct. It doesn't always go by family. But usually it does.


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I am so interested in way the HP fans are so intrigued by Albus Severus Potter than the other children that Harry & Ginny had. Is it because of his name? The little scene we got on him at the end of the epilogue? Or is it because out of all the kids Albus is the only one who inherits Harry's and Lily's eyes?


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I don't know why either!! Out of Harry and Ginny's children Albus Severus is my favorite!!! I think partly because of all the reasons that you mentioned!!! But for me I like Ron and Hermione's kids better! I think that it is partly because I love the names...I mean come on Rose and Hugo...so cute!!!! I think that if I have a male child his name is going to be Hugo...ok maybe not but how cute would that be!! (sorry if I am a little of topic)


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I think the intrigue surrounding Albus Severus is mainly because of his name. Dumbledore and Snape are such huge and deep characters that many people love so any connection with those i think instantly creates interests. If he embodied any of Dumbledore's or Snapes characteristics he would be a very interesting and potentially brilliant child indeed. Also he is the kid that gets slightly more share of the epilogue i suppose so already its like you know a bit more about him. I think he would have been like Harry and basically told the sorting hat where he wanted to go and that would be Gryffindor in my mind.


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When did J.K. confirmed James Sirius was in Gryffindor?
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When did J.K. confirmed James Sirius was in Gryffindor?


I don't know if she confirmed it or not, but it's implied in the epilogue.

I think Albus Severus Potter would be like Harry, and that he would be in Gryffindor.


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How and where in the text is it implied?
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How and where in the text is it implied?
It is actually implied in a few places. Firstly, James wouldn't be implying to Albus that being in Slytherin was a bad thing that might happen to him if he was in Slytherin himself. Also Ron wouldn't be so quick to joke about disowning his children if they weren't in Gryffindor, if James had been sorted into another house. And Albus wouldn't need reassurance against being sorted into another house if he had already seen his parents accepting James even though he was sorted into a different house.


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It's just clear that James Sirius wasn't selected in Slytherin. The rest is open to debate wink.gif
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QUOTE(roonwit @ Apr 6 2008, 04:43 PM) *
QUOTE(Hatun punchaw @ Apr 6 2008, 09:37 PM) *
How and where in the text is it implied?
It is actually implied in a few places. Firstly, James wouldn't be implying to Albus that being in Slytherin was a bad thing that might happen to him if he was in Slytherin himself. Also Ron wouldn't be so quick to joke about disowning his children if they weren't in Gryffindor, if James had been sorted into another house. And Albus wouldn't need reassurance against being sorted into another house if he had already seen his parents accepting James even though he was sorted into a different house.
You make excellent points, as usual. I think if James weren't in Gryffindor we would have known it.


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I could see any house but Slytherin. I say this because I don't think JKR would put the fave son of her hero in Slytherin when she did very little in the series to redeem the house any. Other than Snape (who wasn't always good and how good he was is debatable) and Slunghorn (who thought it was ok to test possibly poisoned mead on house elves) the series has virtually no half way decent Slytherins. The series is really quite prejudiced against Slytherins to the point of it being unbelievable, I mean come on they can't all be bad? But Harry didn't have one Slytherin friend or at the very least one he didn't despise? Yet all of sudden someone who is kind and open minded, which we'd assume Harry's kids would be would get sorted into this house when in 7 books it could only show us 2 barely passable examples of human decency?

I also think one of the reasons families tend to get sorted together isn't because of genes, but the way they're raised and the values they learn through childhood to uphold. Harry, having to fend for himself and fight off Dudley, not to mention face what must have been terrible loneliness and depression as a young child made him brave. The Weasley's would have raised their children all in a similar fashion so of course they'd all value bravery if that's what they were taught to, remember Molly's brothers "died like heroes" so bravery would be a cherished virtue in the Weasley house. People like Sirius for whatever reason (shame we didn't learn more about him) rebelled against his upbringing and took his own path so I think for someone to out of the blue change family house tradition it would have to be a situation where they were somewhat an odd one out in their family. I can't think why Albus Potter would disagree with his family strongly enough on things to the point that he'd be sorted into Slytherin. I think it far more likely that someone like Scorpius would be the one to change family house tradition because I bet Draco would raise his son differently than he was (I don't think he'd raise him to be a loving naive Hufflepuff of course, but I think he'd lighten up a lot with his own son on blood purity and wouldn't teach him to be as cut throat).
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Just a point...Jo has also implied that her favorite house was Gryffindor, and she has also said that Albus Severus was her favorite. Why not put the two together and continue the tradition of being an honorable Gryffindor family? Its not like Albus has any reason to not want to be Gryffindor, unlike Sirius not wanting to be Slytherin.


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Don't forget Andromeda Tonks, great Slytherin... ;)
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And Regulus Black.

Though I doubt Rowling would want any of Harry's children to be in Slytherin, I would have loved to see just that. I have a lot of sympathy for the 'brave but not stupid' attitude.
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It would be fantastic to see little Albus be a Slytherin, like having dear Scorpius become a Gryffindor or Hufflepuff.

In all liklyhood, though, Albus probably chose to be in Gryffindor.


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I like to think that Albus Severus was a Slytherin. I like the idea of him accepting that he is different from his family. I think his personality would be a lot like Harry.

I would Like to see him friends with Scorpius, too.


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I expect he'll be in Griffendor. He was so scared to be in Slytherin that the sorting hat would have seem that and, like it did for Harry, not put him in Slytherin. That been said maybe he'll be in Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, but I like to think of him as a Griffendor biggrin.gif


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