Alchemy and Harry Potter, Part Two |
 Nov 22 2005, 09:40 PM
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Waiting for Wednesdays  Posts: 9,229 Joined: 7:57am January 28, 2005 Location: Hiding from Hurricanes    |
Please continue your disucssion of Alchemy in Harry Potter here. If you would like to refer back to Part I please follow the link I just provided.
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Nov 22 2005, 11:44 PM
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Diagon Alley Magical Bricklayer  Posts: 2,876 Joined: 8:17pm June 28, 2005 Location: waiting on summer |
I'm not sure exactly what you mean, hpaddict but it's late here and I'm pretty tired, so if I've got the wrong end of the stick, please feel free to correct me. What I was saying was that we didn't have any deaths in CoS because JKR didn'tfollow the legend exactly. She chose to Petrify Colin et al rather than kill them outright in the story. That's what I was getting at!
All I meant was I think she did stick by the legend because all the victims of the basilisk never looked directly at it – there was always some mitigating factor. I think she may have created her own “loophole” in the legend. Interesting that potassium nitrate is not only for fireworks but gunpowder – as that is exactly what Guy Fawkes was attempting to use to blow up parliament. It makes sense that this was the creation of the first firework – these things mixed together produce quite a big bang! Sulfur" was the generic term used by the alchemists for anything 1) brightly colored and 2) resistant to fire. Boy – that seems to describe Fawkes to a tee – don’t you think? His plumage and that he is “resistant” to fire because he rises from the ashes? Now – I completely agree that Snape is Vitrol that is the catalyst for Harry to bring about change. But given that Fawkes may have a similar “chemical” composition – I wonder how he can assist Harry with transitions as welll. The quarrelling couple must die? I certainly hope it is not Hermione and Ron! I think i could deal with Fleur and Bill then, as we have all found references that there will be blood shed at the "chemical wedding I see this more of a symbolic death of each person as they are “joined” to become one. Again, death/rebirth, life cycle, etc… -------------------- "
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Nov 23 2005, 03:01 AM
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Disgruntled House-Elf at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 439 Joined: 6:23pm November 12, 2005 Location: In the capital of Europe |
About the quarreling couple, why not Harry and Voldemort ? The search of immortality (in book IV Voldemort says that he found a new mortal body waiting for an immortal one) needs to have the body of ligth.
Here is a text about free maçons about this body : ;" killed by Typhon, our father Osiris is kept in his grave (sarcophage) in the deepest part of every human.He is the root of a body of glory which will rise again only thanks to the help of our skillfull Mother Isis who's tears are a potion of life. Killed by three bad companions, Master Hiram is reborned in the inside of the new master, brougth up by the two supervisors. " (I translate :sorry for low quality) Link (in french) http://perso.wanadoo.fr/denis.laboure/lecaspoc.html -------------------- “Inexpressible, Indicible, you that only silence names.” (Poïmandres)
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Nov 23 2005, 08:15 AM
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Director of Nicholas Flamel Laboratories Posts: 11,087 Joined: 11:06am January 28, 2005 Location: Lighting the mountain path for Llewellyn ap Gryffudd |
QUOTE Here is a text about free maçons about this body : ;" killed by Typhon, our father Osiris is kept in his grave (sarcophage) in the deepest part of every human.He is the root of a body of glory which will rise again only thanks to the help of our skillfull Mother Isis who's tears are a potion of life. Killed by three bad companions, Master Hiram is reborned in the inside of the new master, brougth up by the two supervisors We've discussed the possible link between Harry and Osiris and between Voldemort and Horus--some of us think that JKR got the word "Horcrux" from the legend of Horus. -------------------- The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.--Harlan Ellison
My father considered a walk among the mountains as the equivalent of churchgoing.--Aldous Huxley |
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Nov 23 2005, 01:44 PM
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Assistant to Nicholas Flammel Posts: 2,201 Joined: 3:46pm July 20, 2005 Location: peering over at M's and Ari's cheat notes! |
ok everyone has their opinions about the "quarrelling couple" but I am sorry for I don't get Harry and Voldemort? Explain to me pleasehow they have a wedding? unless you mean there confrotation will be a union of sorts???
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Nov 23 2005, 06:42 PM
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Disgruntled House-Elf at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 439 Joined: 6:23pm November 12, 2005 Location: In the capital of Europe |
1.In a text of Kremmerz (sorry again : it is in french ! http://perso.wanadoo.fr/denis.laboure/lecaspoc.html) the description of the prima materia is followed by the maturation of the prima materia (for me it happens in book IV : the alliance of the ennemys). "At this stage, the phenix (air+fire) can be reborned from the ashes (earth+water)."
I did not know that phenix meant that as well ! it is said too that "the second stage means to make a clothe of ligth in the man. Before the first and second death, The initiated wants to bring what is only a embryo of a soul (air+fire) to maturity...the man becomes a hero after a transmutation often showed by the twelve works of Herculus or going through the seven skys or through the seven metals..." Does it sound like 7 horcruxes ? 2.About quarreling couples, the snakes of the Hermes caducee looks like a couple of snakes, "in essence divided". The wedding is a figth and the product of the union is a hero who won the battle. I have red somewhere in the preeceeding pages that a dream of wedding means a death coming and a dream of death means a wedding coming. Is it wrong to say that the thema of twins figthing with violence is one side of the couple meaning, the other one is the couple union in love ? (hope to be clear) 3.Some alchemical texts speak of the possibility to multiply the stone : do you think it means the multiple horcruxes or the multiple souvenirs of Dumbledore in the memory of all his supporters ? -------------------- “Inexpressible, Indicible, you that only silence names.” (Poïmandres)
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Nov 23 2005, 07:29 PM
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Fortescue's Spoon Polisher Posts: 3,539 Joined: 1:29pm March 16, 2005 |
QUOTE I have red somewhere in the preeceeding pages that a dream of wedding means a death coming and a dream of death means a wedding coming. I read the same thing while researching the chemical wedding. I actually read the Chemical Wedding by Rosencrantz and was interested in the similarities between it and HP. There is a scene where the main character (who isa a guest at the wedding) ic climbing the stais to the tower and I was seeing Harry climbing the stairs to the astronomy tower. I need to read it again and will post more. It is written in the late 1400's and is difficult to get through -------------------- |
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Nov 25 2005, 09:18 AM
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Director of Nicholas Flamel Laboratories Posts: 11,087 Joined: 11:06am January 28, 2005 Location: Lighting the mountain path for Llewellyn ap Gryffudd |
For those who haven't read it, here's a link: The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkruetz.
About the tower--I vaguely remember something about that. There was mention of a ladder too. I'll look for it and post it. I think it's interesting, though, that Rosenkreutz was considered a Brother of the Rosy Cross, and from his name comes Rosicrucian. The text also mentions things like the Draught of Forgetfulness, the queen dressed in red and white, a globe and phoenixes and other things we're familiar with: QUOTE For besides many other glorious antiquities, the royal sepulcher was also shewed me, by which I learned more than is extant in all books. There in the same place stands also the glorious Phoenix (of which two years since I published a particular small discourse) and Am resolved (in case this my narration shall prove useful) to set forth several and peculiar treatises, concerning the Lion, Eagle, Griffon, Falcon and other like, together with their draughts and inscriptions. A sphinx' riddle: QUOTE My Name contains five and fifty, and yet hath only eight letters; the third is the third part of the fifth, which added to the sixth will produce a number whose root shall exceed the third itself by just the first, and it is the half of the fourth. Now the fifth and the seventh are equal, the last and the first are also equal, and make with the second as much as the sixth hath, which contains just four more than the third tripled. Now tell me, my lord, how am I called?
-------------------- The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.--Harlan Ellison
My father considered a walk among the mountains as the equivalent of churchgoing.--Aldous Huxley |
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Nov 27 2005, 10:41 AM
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Disgruntled House-Elf at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 439 Joined: 6:23pm November 12, 2005 Location: In the capital of Europe |
A sphinx' riddle:
Quote My Name contains five and fifty, and yet hath only eight letters; the third is the third part of the fifth, which added to the sixth will produce a number whose root shall exceed the third itself by just the first, and it is the half of the fourth. Now the fifth and the seventh are equal, the last and the first are also equal, and make with the second as much as the sixth hath, which contains just four more than the third tripled. Now tell me, my lord, how am I called? ALCHIMIA -------------------- “Inexpressible, Indicible, you that only silence names.” (Poïmandres)
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Nov 27 2005, 11:20 AM
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Director of Nicholas Flamel Laboratories Posts: 11,087 Joined: 11:06am January 28, 2005 Location: Lighting the mountain path for Llewellyn ap Gryffudd |
How did you come up with that? I didn't try to work it out, I just thought it was quite interesting in what we were discussing. I like the answer by the way!
-------------------- The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.--Harlan Ellison
My father considered a walk among the mountains as the equivalent of churchgoing.--Aldous Huxley |
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