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The Biggest Unanswered Questions...part 3, All questions...big and small...start here
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I have couple more questions;
Can Hagrid Apparate/Disapparate? thHagrid03emoticon.gif
Also, does anyone know if Avada Kedavra works on plants?
Also,it was mentioned in GOF,but why does a Confundus Charm work on a magical object? goblet.GIF


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I have couple more questions;
Can Hagrid Apparate/Disapparate? thHagrid03emoticon.gif

if hagrid couldn't apparate/disapparate, how did he get to the place where harry was with the dursleys at the beginning of PS? he was supposed to pick him up huh.gif i don't remember anything about his motorbike there

good question i<3weaslys


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QUOTE(i<3weaslys @ Oct 14 2009, 08:04 AM) *
I have couple more questions;
Can Hagrid Apparate/Disapparate? thHagrid03emoticon.gif

if hagrid couldn't apparate/disapparate, how did he get to the place where harry was with the dursleys at the beginning of PS? he was supposed to pick him up huh.gif i don't remember anything about his motorbike there

good question i<3weaslys



I remember Hagrid taking a boat on the way off that little island but I may be wrong. I haven't read the first book in quite some time which is why I just started it tonight.


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I have couple more questions;
Can Hagrid Apparate/Disapparate? thHagrid03emoticon.gif

if hagrid couldn't apparate/disapparate, how did he get to the place where harry was with the dursleys at the beginning of PS? he was supposed to pick him up huh.gif i don't remember anything about his motorbike there

good question i<3weaslys


I remember Hagrid taking a boat on the way off that little island but I may be wrong. I haven't read the first book in quite some time which is why I just started it tonight.


oh ok lol.gif i haven't read PS for quite some time so i don't remember these little details anymore. that makes sense, it just came to me that if he had apparated then harry would have been with him on their way to Diagon Alley and that's what i don't remember being mentioned in the book.

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QUOTE(roonwit @ Oct 13 2009, 05:10 PM) *
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The Ministry can only detect that magic was performed around an under aged Wizard, not who performed it. So there was no danger of Moody being implicated.
If you assume that the Ministry haven't added any extra detection spells.
We are told that the Ministry can't tell who does the magic. Dumbledore explains this to Harry in OotP.

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So there was no danger of Moody being implicated.
Everyone in the Order would be implicated, because the Ministry aren't stupid and they will know that The Order moved Harry and presume (probably very accurately) that the whole Order would be involved in the planning of this illegality and therefore were accessories before the fact. They also know of someone who was definitely complicit - Harry - so could cause all sorts of problems if Harry was required to go to the Ministry to give evidence about his part in this offence.
Thus even if the Ministry don't prove that Moody did the apparation they can cause the Order all sorts of problems while they investigate and Voldemort and the death eaters could easily exploit this and use it to get to Harry.
Why would the act of one person implicate the whole Order? For all they would know it could have been anyone? Beside that, this is certainly not the only thing the Order could be implicated in. They could equally be implicated in all sorts of other "crimes" according to the Ministry. Why would this be any different from all the other things they were doing to resist Voldemort and the Ministry?

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So there was no danger of Moody being implicated. Also, canon states that the Ministry made Apparition in and out of Privet Drive illegal, not impossible.
Canon doesn't say anything about whether apparation in and out of Privet Drive is impossible or not, probably because the Order wouldn't know what measures the Ministry have taken to enforce the regulations they had passed.
You are free to assume that if you wish, but I'll go by the text which says that it was illegal, not impossible.

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Can Hagrid Apparate/Disapparate? thHagrid03emoticon.gif
After their trip to Diagon Alley, Hagrid puts Harry on the train to go back home. He is standing on the platform with Harry looking right at him. And Harry blinks and Hagrid is gone. So, the obvious implication is that Hagrid can Apparate.


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If you assume that the Ministry haven't added any extra detection spells.
We are told that the Ministry can't tell who does the magic. Dumbledore explains this to Harry in OotP.
That is in the context of the Trace, which is a very wide ranging detection. They might be able to to put in place more specific detection for a particular location (for example the wizarding equivalent of a concealed camera would work).
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Why would the act of one person implicate the whole Order? For all they would know it could have been anyone?
It is obvious (the death eaters certainly think so). They may not have any actual proof but they probably have enough (given their rather lax approach to justice) to start arresting Order members on suspicion.
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You are free to assume that if you wish, but I'll go by the text which says that it was illegal, not impossible.
It can be both illegal and impossible so Canon says nothing about whether or not it is impossible, and it is just your assumption that the two options are exclusive and that the Order would know about all the measures the Ministry would take to enforce their laws.

So as with many things, it all comes down to how you interpret the text, and what factors you take into account.
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At nights when Harry was hungry, why couldn't he slip on his invisibility cloak and go into the kitchen?
It wouldn't help that much, because Harry is more in danger of being heard than seen, and if the Dursleys are up and about there is a big risk of one of the Dursleys bumping into Harry, and him having his cloak confiscated.


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QUOTE(roonwit @ Oct 19 2009, 03:37 PM) *
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QUOTE(roonwit @ Oct 13 2009, 05:10 PM) *
If you assume that the Ministry haven't added any extra detection spells.
We are told that the Ministry can't tell who does the magic. Dumbledore explains this to Harry in OotP.
That is in the context of the Trace, which is a very wide ranging detection. They might be able to to put in place more specific detection for a particular location (for example the wizarding equivalent of a concealed camera would work).
Yes, they might have been able to. But since there is no evidence that they were able to or that they did, then I'll assume they didn't.

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Why would the act of one person implicate the whole Order? For all they would know it could have been anyone?
It is obvious (the death eaters certainly think so). They may not have any actual proof but they probably have enough (given their rather lax approach to justice) to start arresting Order members on suspicion.
By this theory they would have arrested them all anyway. So, it doesn't matter what they do.

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You are free to assume that if you wish, but I'll go by the text which says that it was illegal, not impossible.
It can be both illegal and impossible so Canon says nothing about whether or not it is impossible, and it is just your assumption that the two options are exclusive and that the Order would know about all the measures the Ministry would take to enforce their laws.

So as with many things, it all comes down to how you interpret the text, and what factors you take into account.
Yes, what factors you take into account matter. And I don't take into account things like "they might have cast a spell to prevent Apparition" when there is no evidence that they did or even considered it.


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Why would the act of one person implicate the whole Order? For all they would know it could have been anyone?
It is obvious (the death eaters certainly think so). They may not have any actual proof but they probably have enough (given their rather lax approach to justice) to start arresting Order members on suspicion.
By this theory they would have arrested them all anyway. So, it doesn't matter what they do.
I don't think so. The Ministry need to have some excuse to start arresting people, which still seems to be the case even after Voldemort takes over, because they need to be seen to be acting reasonably by the public and people within the Ministry, or those in power will be replaced. The Ministry would get that excuse if it the Order performed an illegal act for which it was obvious to everyone that they were involved.


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Why would the act of one person implicate the whole Order? For all they would know it could have been anyone?
It is obvious (the death eaters certainly think so). They may not have any actual proof but they probably have enough (given their rather lax approach to justice) to start arresting Order members on suspicion.
By this theory they would have arrested them all anyway. So, it doesn't matter what they do.
I don't think so. The Ministry need to have some excuse to start arresting people, which still seems to be the case even after Voldemort takes over, because they need to be seen to be acting reasonably by the public and people within the Ministry, or those in power will be replaced. The Ministry would get that excuse if it the Order performed an illegal act for which it was obvious to everyone that they were involved.
Last time I checked, obvious to everyone that they were involved doesn't mean they can prove it. The Order was responsible for all sorts of things that it would have been obvious to everyone that they were involved, but that didn't cause them to be arrested. This would have been no different.


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Last time I checked, obvious to everyone that they were involved doesn't mean they can prove it.
True, but it does mean they, and those involved (including Harry) can be brought in for questioning.
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The Order was responsible for all sorts of things that it would have been obvious to everyone that they were involved, but that didn't cause them to be arrested.
But, whereas some of them would be questionable, few, if any, would actually be illegal. And I rather doubt that the Ministry did know that much about what the Order was up to anyway (which is why for example they had to try to follow Dumbledore).
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The main questions I've always had are how come Harry still had a bed in Gryffindor Tower when he hadn't been at School all year?
Yes, Harry is assuming a lot, not least that the room is still there and hasn't suddenly acquired a lot of extra ventilation and pieces of plaster. But I don't think the beds would have been removed. Harry, Ron and the others could theoretically still turn up or come out of hiding even if many of them would be arrested or disciplined if they did.
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Also, how come he can ask Kreacher to bring him a sandwich there, when there's never been any mention of house elves taking the students food in their dormitories before?
I think it is simply something Harry and his dormitory mates hadn't tried or didn't have the opportunity to try. I don't think students could call the Hogwarts house elves for a sandwich, so it would have to be a student with their own house elf based at Hogwarts which would be fairly rare. But there is no reason why it shouldn't work for Harry, as he has summoned Kreacher within Hogwarts before, and Kreacher would happily deliver a sandwich.


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Last time I checked, obvious to everyone that they were involved doesn't mean they can prove it.
True, but it does mean they, and those involved (including Harry) can be brought in for questioning.
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The Order was responsible for all sorts of things that it would have been obvious to everyone that they were involved, but that didn't cause them to be arrested.
But, whereas some of them would be questionable, few, if any, would actually be illegal. And I rather doubt that the Ministry did know that much about what the Order was up to anyway (which is why for example they had to try to follow Dumbledore).
You acknowledge that they don't know much about what the Order is up to, but you assume that they will know specifically that they helped Harry escape. First off, they wouldn't know who to question. Secondly, they wouldn't know what to ask them. Finally, they wouldn't know if they answered honestly or not. For all they know Harry Disapparated on his own and they wouldn't know where he was to question him. They know he can, after all. It is fantasy to assume that Moody would end up in Azkaban if he helped Harry leave Privet Drive using side-along.


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You acknowledge that they don't know much about what the Order is up to, but you assume that they will know specifically that they helped Harry escape.
Yes, I do. In general I don't think the Ministry knows much about what the Order does, but it would be completely obvious to everyone that if Harry leaves Privet Drive with magical help, and Voldemort doesn't start parading his dead body then the Order got him out.
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First off, they wouldn't know who to question.
They would have a very good idea. They probably know for example at least some of the houses that are now being protected, and there would be some obvious suspects, such as Arthur Kingsley and Tonks, plus others who were close to Dumbledore such as Moody. And of course the obvious person to question would be Harry.
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Secondly, they wouldn't know what to ask them.
I would have thought it was completely obvious what questions the Ministry would ask such as were you at Privet Drive, what do you know about the illegal apparation there and who else was involved?
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Finally, they wouldn't know if they answered honestly or not.
There are such things as legilimency and veritaserum, and other methods to detect dishonesty. Some Order members could probably survive such examination but I doubt all of them could.
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For all they know Harry Disapparated on his own and they wouldn't know where he was to question him.
But they do know where Harry is, or at least the Minister does.


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|- - Silvia_CMC   QUOTE(Muggle1 @ Oct 24 2009, 01:55 AM) Th...   Oct 23 2009, 11:31 PM
- - GaryPotter   QUOTE(Bookworm_Weasley @ Oct 27 2009, 03...   Oct 29 2009, 11:32 AM
|- - Bookworm_Weasley   QUOTE(GaryPotter @ Oct 29 2009, 11:32 AM)...   Oct 30 2009, 12:08 PM
- - UnshackledAuror   In response to post #10.It appears to me that both...   Oct 30 2009, 01:00 PM
- - Codem   What I would like to know is why Harry didn't ...   Nov 1 2009, 01:53 AM
|- - midzy   QUOTE(Codem @ Nov 1 2009, 02:53 PM) What ...   Nov 1 2009, 02:45 AM
|- - GaryPotter   QUOTE(midzy @ Nov 1 2009, 02:45 AM) QUOTE...   Nov 2 2009, 12:29 PM
- - harrydavid   Harry has an exceptionally poor memory whenever th...   Nov 1 2009, 06:30 PM
|- - Bookworm_Weasley   QUOTE(harrydavid @ Nov 1 2009, 06:30 PM) ...   Nov 2 2009, 04:00 AM
|- - harrydavid   QUOTE(Bookworm_Weasley @ Nov 2 2009, 05:0...   Nov 2 2009, 12:11 PM
- - RobynAlexa   This is a really interesting thread and I wanted t...   Nov 4 2009, 02:30 PM
|- - harrydavid   QUOTE(RobynAlexa @ Nov 4 2009, 03:30 PM) ...   Nov 4 2009, 05:17 PM
- - jerrycasto   It's always struck me as odd that Hogwarts in ...   Nov 4 2009, 09:21 PM
|- - harrydavid   QUOTE(jerrycasto @ Nov 4 2009, 10:21 PM) ...   Nov 6 2009, 10:48 PM
|- - roonwit   QUOTE(harrydavid @ Nov 7 2009, 03:48 AM) ...   Nov 8 2009, 12:21 PM
- - jerrycasto   QUOTE(harrydavid @ Nov 6 2009, 10:48 PM) ...   Nov 7 2009, 12:50 PM
- - jerrycasto   2 more questions where do dementors come from? I...   Nov 9 2009, 04:13 PM
|- - Norian   QUOTEand this one is more of a "what-if...   Nov 10 2009, 11:43 AM
|- - harrydavid   QUOTE(jerrycasto @ Nov 9 2009, 04:13 PM) ...   Nov 10 2009, 02:26 PM
- - look_at_me_   i always wondered why they didn't just use a t...   Nov 10 2009, 12:21 PM
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