Boggarts, How did Harry se Mollys? |
 Feb 23 2008, 05:45 PM
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How did Harry see Molly's worst fear when looking at a Boggart. shouldn't he have seen his worse fear not Molly's
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Feb 23 2008, 05:53 PM
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The Other Half of the DDD  Posts: 4,837 Joined: 10:10am March 16, 2007 Location: Marauding with Moony, Padfoot and Prongs |
But if you think about it, in Lupin's first DADA class in PoA everyone could see each other's Boggarts. (Snape wearing Neville's grandmother's clothes?!
 )I don't know precisely how it works, but perhaps you need to be the one standing in the boggart's line of sight (if it even has sight?!) for it to turn into your particular worst fear, but everyone else who happens to be near you can see it...or something.  Or rather, it needs to be directly in front of you personally...I'm not sure if any of that makes sense, but hopefully you might get what I'm trying to say. 
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Feb 23 2008, 05:58 PM
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Grand Pooh-Bah of the Poking Sticks Emporium Posts: 6,769 Joined: 3:53pm January 4, 2008 Location: Fine-tuning her Spambot Magnet |
That's a good question. I was always under the impression that anyone can see someone else's boggart. We know that Hermione sees Lupin's and along with Snape's werewolf essay, she figured out Lupin was a werewolf. I myself have always wondered if a boggart in it's true form and not that which the person sees as his/her greatest fear can actually be seen.
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Feb 23 2008, 06:09 PM
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In Charge of Invisible Books of Invisibility Posts: 1,153 Joined: 12:36am January 18, 2008 Location: Waterloo, ON - getting Butterbeer for Hagrid's "Support Harry Potter" party |
QUOTE(SnapesSister @ Feb 23 2008, 05:53 PM)  But if you think about it, in Lupin's first DADA class in PoA everyone could see each other's Boggarts. (Snape wearing Neville's grandmother's clothes?! )I don't know precisely how it works, but perhaps you need to be the one standing in the boggart's line of sight (if it even has sight?!) for it to turn into your particular worst fear, but everyone else who happens to be near you can see it...or something. Or rather, it needs to be directly in front of you personally...I'm not sure if any of that makes sense, but hopefully you might get what I'm trying to say. Or it could be that there has to be only one person facing it. Remember what Lupin says about what happens when two people try to tackle it simultaneously; he said he once saw a boggart trying to scare both people at the same time, turning into half a slug or something. But yes, anyone can see someone else's boggart, as long as they are not "close" enough that the boggart's magic is influenced by the extra person. This is why Lupin didn't want Harry to face the boggart - it wasn't because he didn't think he wouldn't be able to handle it, as Harry orginally thought, but because he assumed that Harry's boggart would be LV, and he didn't think it would be a good idea for everyone else to see this particular boggart. -------------------- "Tell me why, why must we fight?
And why must we kill in the name of what we think is right? No more! No war! 'Cause how do you know?" -- P.O.D. - from their new album When Angels and Serpents Dance -- |
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Feb 23 2008, 06:26 PM
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The Other Half of the DDD Posts: 4,837 Joined: 10:10am March 16, 2007 Location: Marauding with Moony, Padfoot and Prongs |
QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Feb 23 2008, 11:09 PM) QUOTE(SnapesSister @ Feb 23 2008, 05:53 PM) But if you think about it, in Lupin's first DADA class in PoA everyone could see each other's Boggarts. (Snape wearing Neville's grandmother's clothes?! )I don't know precisely how it works, but perhaps you need to be the one standing in the boggart's line of sight (if it even has sight?!) for it to turn into your particular worst fear, but everyone else who happens to be near you can see it...or something. Or rather, it needs to be directly in front of you personally...I'm not sure if any of that makes sense, but hopefully you might get what I'm trying to say. Or it could be that there has to be only one person facing it. Remember what Lupin says about what happens when two people try to tackle it simultaneously; he said he once saw a boggart trying to scare both people at the same time, turning into half a slug or something. But yes, anyone can see someone else's boggart, as long as they are not "close" enough that the boggart's magic is influenced by the extra person. This is why Lupin didn't want Harry to face the boggart - it wasn't because he didn't think he wouldn't be able to handle it, as Harry orginally thought, but because he assumed that Harry's boggart would be LV, and he didn't think it would be a good idea for everyone else to see this particular boggart. Thats sort of what I was trying to put across, but not very well! I meant that if you're not close enough to affect the boggart you would be able to see what the other person's boggart was...I haven't done a very good job explaining what I meant!
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Feb 23 2008, 07:05 PM
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In Charge of Invisible Books of Invisibility Posts: 1,153 Joined: 12:36am January 18, 2008 Location: Waterloo, ON - getting Butterbeer for Hagrid's "Support Harry Potter" party |
QUOTE(SnapesSister @ Feb 23 2008, 06:26 PM) Thats sort of what I was trying to put across, but not very well! I meant that if you're not close enough to affect the boggart you would be able to see what the other person's boggart was...I haven't done a very good job explaining what I meant!You did a fine job of getting your point across! I was just going into more/different details. -------------------- "Tell me why, why must we fight?
And why must we kill in the name of what we think is right? No more! No war! 'Cause how do you know?" -- P.O.D. - from their new album When Angels and Serpents Dance -- |
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Feb 24 2008, 09:38 PM
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Kibble Boy/Girl at the Magical Menagerie Posts: 305 Joined: 11:06am July 8, 2007 Location: helping Harry, Ginny, Ron, Hermione, Luna and Neville at an order meeting |
everyone can see eachother's boggarts, i think it depends on who is fighting it when it changes
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 Mar 7 2008, 11:10 AM
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Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 42 Joined: 11:04am February 12, 2008 Location: Eating old cake with Figgy |
QUOTE(SnapesSister @ Feb 23 2008, 06:26 PM) QUOTE(harrypottergeek2 @ Feb 23 2008, 11:09 PM) QUOTE(SnapesSister @ Feb 23 2008, 05:53 PM) But if you think about it, in Lupin's first DADA class in PoA everyone could see each other's Boggarts. (Snape wearing Neville's grandmother's clothes?! )I don't know precisely how it works, but perhaps you need to be the one standing in the boggart's line of sight (if it even has sight?!) for it to turn into your particular worst fear, but everyone else who happens to be near you can see it...or something. Or rather, it needs to be directly in front of you personally...I'm not sure if any of that makes sense, but hopefully you might get what I'm trying to say. Or it could be that there has to be only one person facing it. Remember what Lupin says about what happens when two people try to tackle it simultaneously; he said he once saw a boggart trying to scare both people at the same time, turning into half a slug or something. But yes, anyone can see someone else's boggart, as long as they are not "close" enough that the boggart's magic is influenced by the extra person. This is why Lupin didn't want Harry to face the boggart - it wasn't because he didn't think he wouldn't be able to handle it, as Harry orginally thought, but because he assumed that Harry's boggart would be LV, and he didn't think it would be a good idea for everyone else to see this particular boggart. Thats sort of what I was trying to put across, but not very well! I meant that if you're not close enough to affect the boggart you would be able to see what the other person's boggart was...I haven't done a very good job explaining what I meant!yes, this is true because if more people get closer to the boggart, doesn't it get confused and turn into smoke like in Lupin's DADA class?  Harry probably wasn't close enough for the boggart to sense him.
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Mar 7 2008, 02:22 PM
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Neville's Biggest supporter Posts: 11,752 Joined: 8:51am January 28, 2006 Location: On V.S.D.G.  |
As has been mentioned, all the third years in Lupin's DADA class could see each others Boggarts. For me, it is no different with Harry seeing Molly's - although Molly's is more powerful, with seeing multiple members of her family dead
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Mar 13 2008, 07:03 PM
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Daily Prophet Photographer Posts: 881 Joined: 1:35pm February 27, 2008 Location: In the library, snuggling with Percy |
I don't think it's because Harry wasn't close enough for the Boggart to sense him, because didn't Lupin say something about people not being able to see a Boggart's true form because it sensed them before they saw it?
Perhaps then, it was just that Molly's emotions were stronger, and since she wasn't fighting it, it didn't feel it had to bother with Harry? It was busy trying to overpower Molly, and doing a pretty good job of it too. -------------------- "Why do you think they're after us, because we're so awesome? I think it's because we're so awesome!" **** "This exchange marked the beginning of Mr Malfoy's long campaign to have me removed from my post as Headmaster of Hogwarts, and of mine to have him removed from his position as Lord Voldemort's Favourite Death Eater."- Albus Dumbledore |
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