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Bree and Hwin
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post Oct 31 2008, 02:44 AM
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Bree and Hwin




Bree and Hwin are both horses who were stolen as foals and removed from their Narnian home to be used in service, for Bree it was as a war horse by a Tarkaan lord, Anradin, and for Hwin it was as a domestic horse, being given to Aravis. Bree hasn't dared to speak during all his time with Anradin but trusts Shasta immediately and speaks to him. Hwin reveals her ability to speak in order to save Aravis from committing suicide.

What does this tell us about their characters? Why is Bree so sure that Shasta can be trusted not to tell someone that he's a Narnian?

Bree is horrified to have his tail cut short because he wants to look impressive when he returns. He worries about rolling - is it acceptable in Narnia or not? He doesn't want to make a social error and be thought unrefined. His reason for befriending Shasta and travelling with him was to reach Narnia, but as they get close he seems to want to hang back. He refuses to believe that Aslan is a lion although admits that, because he was only a foal when he left Narnia, he doesn't really understand it but refuses to believe that Aravis is able to understand because of her age. Hwin is more humble but is a clear, logical thinker and knows that certain measures will be necessary for their survival and safe passage through Tashbaan and that being covered in mud with short tails is the best disguise. She seems amused by Bree's worries about rolling, she doesn't know whether Narnian horses roll either but doesn't care.

Why do you think they've developed such different attitudes to returning home? Why do you think Bree's attitude to returning home changes?

What do you see as the turning point in Bree's opinion of himself and those around him? Do you, in fact, agree that his opinion changed?

Were you surprised by Bree's assertiveness towards Aravis, telling her "This is my escape just as much as yours"?

Why do you think Hwin looks up to Bree?

Why does Bree swear
By the Lion or By the Lion's Mane, yet refuse to believe that Aslan is, in fact, a lion?

We hope you'll enjoy discussing these wonderful characters, please feel free to use these points and questions just as a starting point or bring your own observations and questions. We're looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
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November's book is The Catcher in the Rye by JD Salinger
"THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE DIED!" roared Black. "DIED RATHER THAN BETRAY YOUR FRIENDS,
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Bree has absorbed a lot of Calormene thinking, despite his aspirations to be a free Narnian, which is why he naturally assumes that a great king like Aslan will be a man because he is used to men being in control over beasts. He is also proud of his role as a Tarkaan lord's war horse, because that means he is better than all the other horses, and that has allowed him to acquire some vanity for his position, and he is less comfortable with the idea of being just another horse once the prospect of getting to Narnia starts to become more a reality rather than just a dream. He trusts Shasta because he can see he is a Narnian or an Archenlander by the colour of his skin, and is someone who also wants to escape, giving him the perfect companion.

Hwin on the other hand seems more content with her life. I think she is going to Narnia for the sake of Aravis as much as for her own sake, because whereas she would like being a free horse, being Aravis' horse isn't a bad life. She is a bit in awe of the war horse Bree to start with, but quickly settles in to a more equal friendship between the four of them.


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Why do you think they've developed such different attitudes to returning home? Why do you think Bree's attitude to returning home changes?

I think that Hwin having witnessed Aravis' despair at being married off, wants to help her as much as possible. Hwin actually cares about Aravis, and even before Hwin spoke to her, I think that Aravis had learned to care about Hwin and that they were true friends. But Bree just saw a good opportunity to escape with someone who had a strong motive to help him, and who also looked the part.

Actually Bree, far more than Hwin, had enjoyed a really good life in Calormen. The cost of an intelligent and reliable warhorse would be far more than the cost of a Tarkheena's usual riding mare, however intelligent and reliable that horse might be, as Bree points out himself. He tells Shasta that Anradin can't afford to treat Bree badly, and it is this economic value which inflates Bree's ego.

What do you see as the turning point in Bree's opinion of himself and those around him? Do you, in fact, agree that his opinion changed?

In some ways Bree is not unlike some retired major, holding onto his honorifics and reliving past memories to assuage his worries integrating into civilian life where he may be no better off financially or socially than some of the men who served under him in the army. In some ways I don't think that Bree ever really changes. He is merely humbled and his vanity bruised a little. I think that Shasta showed him up when Bree ran away from the pursuing lion, and failed to go back to protect Hwin and Aravis, unlike Shasta. And Bree is forced to take a good look at himself when Aslan appears. In some ways Bree is a horsy Hyacinth Bucket, wanting to keep up appearances.

Were you surprised by Bree's assertiveness towards Aravis, telling her "This is my escape just as much as yours"?

I think it wasn't Bree, it was Hwin who told Aravis that it was just as much her escape as Aravis'. No I wasn't surprised that Hwin would say such a thing. Aravis is very much a product of her high-born Calormene upbringing, and Hwin doesn't want to escape Calormen only to remain Aravis' servant in Narnia. Aravis shows no great empathy for other humans of a lower social rank and needs to be reminded constantly that the horses aren't dumb beasts either. The relationship between Hwin and Aravis needs to change to one of mutual friendship, and to do Aravis justice, she does come to recognise this.

Why do you think Hwin looks up to Bree?

I think again the relatively higher economic value of Bree, a warhorse who has seen battle might have been one influence. Aravis had a brother who died in battle, but . It might have been the less respectful way that Hwin would be treated that caused her to be a bit more humble. Unlike Bree, Hwin would definitely not have seen herself as better than the non-talking horses in such circumstances.

I'd also say that Calormen is a very masculine society where women are only valued for decoration, lineage and for the children they produce. Aravis was to be married off and yet she would have been no more than 11 or 12 years old. She comes from a wealthy, high-born household, but chances are, she has little more status than does her horse once the Stepmother is installed. Perhaps Aravis' concern for Hwin is the one bright spot in Hwin's otherwise oppressive life.

Why does Bree swear By the Lion or By the Lion's Mane, yet refuse to believe that Aslan is, in fact, a lion?

It seems that Bree had been frightened by a lion in the past. It isn't stated whether this was a talking lion or not. Maybe this was during a battle of some sort where lions from Narnia or Archenland had participated. Or maybe it was part of a hunting expedition. A terrified creature like Bree might not want to associate lions with someone who was considered good and noble, and as Roonwit has already said, he was in any case used to being dominated by men rather than looking up to an animal like himself.


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Why do you think they've developed such different attitudes to returning home? Why do you think Bree's attitude to returning home changes?

I think Bree was inspired by the challenge to return home. He was in a position where he couldn't do something, and he wanted to prove he could. Bree is a prideful horse, and he shows it in the way he treats his companions. His attitude changes because he has changed, he is feeling insecure.


What do you see as the turning point in Bree's opinion of himself and those around him? Do you, in fact, agree that his opinion changed?


I do think that he has changed, and I think it was his encounter with Aslan in the garden of the hermit that was the turning point. As Bree said [to Aslan] "I'm afraid I must be rather a fool", and Aslan is right when he replies "Happy the Horse who knows that while he is still young." I believe it took Bree years to conquer his pride completely, but I think he made a good start.

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