QUOTE(rowena r @ Oct 27 2008, 02:59 AM)

Why did you think Tonks had lost her smile while reading HBP for the first time ?

Before I completed the book I thought Tonks might have been rethinking her family loyalties Siriusly after Sirius' death. We don't meet Andromeda and Ted Tonks until the last book, and at that stage we don't know all the family dynamics in the Black family. Tonks remains a member of the Order of the Phoenix, being hosted in 12 Grimmauld Place because of her cousin Sirius Black. Sirius and his brother were first cousins with Andromeda, her mother, and he has said Andromeda was the one he liked best. So I don't think it is inconceivable that she found the events at the Department of Mysteries traumatic.

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What did you think Draco was told to do by Voldemort ? Did you expect more from him seeing as he used to rile Harry for his Dementor problem ?

Narcissa gave the game away when she commented that Dumbledore wouldn't be around to protect Harry for much longer. So I guessed Draco's task had something to do with Dumbledore, especially when Snape got involved, and said that he thought that he, (the Dark Lord) meant for him (Snape) to do it in the end. I didn't expect that Draco would have found whatever he was trying to do so difficult, and yes, I did expect more from him because of the way he treated Harry.

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Did you think Bill and Fleur were suited for each other ? Did you think she really loved him or was just attracted by his looks ?

At first I did think that all Fleur wanted was the handsome groom to accompany her in starring in the world's most perfect wedding. A real Bridezilla in short. But it seems like Bill and Fleur are suited to each other. And Fleur certainly came up with the right answer at the end, in the Hospital wing.

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This thread is to discuss any changes in the characters we know from the earlier books and not just the three above, so feel free to bring out your ideas and opinions.

I'm so glad you said that. Because I really think that Harry, himself, changed quite a bit during this book. His behaviour in HBP so contrasts with his behaviour in OotP. Dumbledore compliments on his maturity, and even on the Hogwarts express Harry behaves quite differently. In OotP he felt embarrassed to have to share a carriage with Neville and Luna when Cho came visiting, even though Ginny was there, too. Whereas in HBP he felt honoured to share a carriage with Neville and Luna who had fought with him at the Department of Mysteries, however 'uncool' others at school thought them.

And does anyone notice how much Neville has been changing?

This post has been edited by WaggaWaggaWerewolf: Nov 2 2008, 01:20 AM

I think Ron changed. Especially over all that stuff about him not having kissed yet. He went from that to eating Lavender's face every other minute!

Lots of characters went through mayor change in this book

Draco obviously changed a lot, he got a taste of the real life, realizing what beeing a death eater and voldemort really was, not just the glorefied vision he had from his father. And he realized he was not fit for the DE buisness.

What did you think Draco was told to do by Voldemort ?
Its funny throughout the book I was 100% sure his job was to kill Harry, I don't know why I thought so, I guess it just fit what with their rivalry, but I realize now there really were no indications for that..

Why did you think Tonks had lost her smile while reading HBP for the first time ?
I'm not sure what I thought of it, but I know I never believed Hermiones theory about her beeing in love with Sirius, and I never saw it comming with the Remus thing!

Why do you think Remus' refusal affected her so much ?
First of all she loved him very much. Tonks was a very strong, open-minded, light hearted person, she would never judge anyone, so she couldn't understand why Remus would think him beeing a werewolf, older than her would be valid reasons why they shouldn't be together! I don't think she ever thought Remus' situation could be a problem, so she must have been scared she would actually loose the person she loved because of it!

I never saw Fleur having much of a change in the book. I really think she allways was a nice person who didn't just judge on looks. I think she allways loved Bill, but to the world she seemed like a very superficial, vain person!

Harry as well changed some, he is much more mature than ever before.

Tonks did change, she matured. But at heart she was still the same.

What about Dumbledore? He, too, changed in HBP. Dumbledore has a sore hand and everything he does seems to be like tidying up business. He is also more irritable with people like Trelawney and more inclined to get cranky with people like Harry. And Snape.

What about Snape as well? He and Dumbledore had an argument the reader knows little about, which Hagrid overheard, and if there wasn't a book later, it is possible to see that Snape had grounds to kill Dumbledore. He finally has the DADA job, but does he seem happier? Snape is shown in two different scenes. At Spinner's end, where he is entertaining Bellatrix and Narcissa, with Wormtail's help. And later on, when Harry overhears his little chat with Draco. Is this the same Snape so far presented in the series?

Why did you think Tonks had lost her smile while reading HBP for the first time ?
Why do you think Remus' refusal affected her so much ?

Like the trio i assumed it was something to do with Sirius. Not so much the survivers guilt though. I was thinking it was more likely it was the fact that he was her cousin, probably the only one who didnt treat her badly for her blood status.

That i think is because she knew he loved her as much as she loved him but Remus being Remus pushed everything away from him, no matter how much he wanted it, because he was different. Tonks didnt see the seriousness of Remus' 'furry little problem' the way Remus saw it.
Its quite difficult to love someone and watch as they deny themselves a bit of happiness because they dont think the deserve it.

What did you think Draco was told to do by Voldemort ?
Did you expect more from him seeing as he used to rile Harry for his Dementor problem ?

I can't remember what i thought. I just never imagined it was Dumbledore. I was leaning more towards Harry, (yet at the same time knowing that voldemort would want to do that himself) so i was thinking it was to somehow to get Voldemort into Hogwarts to face Harry.

Did you think Bill and Fleur were suited for each other ?
Did you think she really loved him or was just attracted by his looks ?

Yes, i thought they were a great couple. And i thought she really did love him, and him her. I wasn't surprised by her words at the end. I was quite happy that Molly finally saw this. It was like she couldnt just give her eldest born over to someone who didnt fully deserve him and Fleur won her respect and her blessing

QUOTE(bunya dragon @ Nov 18 2008, 06:59 AM)

What about Dumbledore? He, too, changed in HBP. Dumbledore has a sore hand and everything he does seems to be like tidying up business. He is also more irritable with people like Trelawney and more inclined to get cranky with people like Harry. And Snape.

I don't think DD changed much during HBP, he was different from OotP yes, but I'd rather say he was OC/ changed in OotP, when he was avoiding Harry and whatnot.. I don't think he was particularely cranky, perhaps he was pushing the characters some, but that is understandable what with him having so little time left, but I don't see it as much of a change

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What about Snape as well? He and Dumbledore had an argument the reader knows little about, which Hagrid overheard, and if there wasn't a book later, it is possible to see that Snape had grounds to kill Dumbledore. He finally has the DADA job, but does he seem happier? Snape is shown in two different scenes. At Spinner's end, where he is entertaining Bellatrix and Narcissa, with Wormtail's help. And later on, when Harry overhears his little chat with Draco. Is this the same Snape so far presented in the series?

bold; I think that was more two sides of his personality rahter than a change in that time...