Chat on Jo Rowling's Extra Canon Answers - 9/2/07, Jo's Bloomsbury WebChat Discussion - Part 4 |
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[14:26] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [14:26] <ProngsPatronus> there you go [14:27] *** cbm has joined #lounge [14:28] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [14:28] <ProngsPatronus> hey, cbm! [14:28] <cbm> Hi everyone! [14:28] <Theoriser> hi cbm, hi tinkertime [14:28] <ProngsPatronus> hey, tinkertime [14:28] <tinkertime> hello everybody [14:28] <JaneMarple9> hi all :) [14:31] <cbm> we are quiet today [14:31] <ProngsPatronus> Labour Day7 [14:32] <tinkertime> *drinking coffee [14:33] <cbm> I think so, I am out of town sitting on a patio, I love wifi [14:33] <tinkertime> ain't technology grand? [14:35] *** pthree has joined #lounge [14:36] <tinkertime> hello pthree [14:36] <pthree> hello all [14:36] *** pthree has quit [Bye] [14:37] *** tinkertime left #lounge [Leaving] [14:37] <ProngsPatronus> eep [14:38] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [14:38] <Theoriser> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. 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We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [14:39] <Theoriser> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [14:39] <ProngsPatronus> Now that the final book has been released, Jo is finally able to answer all of the many questions that we have that were not answered in the books. She seems quite as eager as we are to discuss these books and characters. [14:39] <ProngsPatronus> One of the best sources of these answers is the Bloomsbury web chat, as well as the Dateline/Today Show interview. Let's spend one more chat exploring these questions and Jo's answers for them. [14:39] <ProngsPatronus> When asked how Muggle borns receive magical ability, Jo indicates that they have at least one magical ancestor, even if far back in the family tree. Did this mesh with your understanding of how magical ability is acquired? [14:40] *** pthree has joined #lounge [14:40] <ProngsPatronus> actually, I think it made much more sense this way [14:40] <JaneMarple9> i never thought much how muggles are wizards but it seems sensible [14:40] <tinkertime> that was definitely how I pictured it working [14:40] <cbm> It is what I would have guessed [14:41] <Theoriser> it's interesting how they have to have some magic in their family [14:41] <pthree> sorry everyone I am having computer issues [14:41] <Aislinn> which makes it even more ironic that they were rounding up muggleborns in DH [14:41] <ProngsPatronus> rather than a spontaneous occurrence in the Muggle population [14:41] <Aislinn> since they all have magic in their background [14:41] <JaneMarple9> all wizarding families are connected to each other in some way riight? [14:41] <cbm> but since it is magic, it would not have surprised me if there was some other reason [14:42] <Aislinn> right, cbm, it could have followed some completely different "natural" rule [14:42] <tinkertime> it's true aislinn, it makes the whole pureblood thing really ironic [14:42] <ProngsPatronus> very Biblical in nature [14:43] <ProngsPatronus> "sins" of the fathers, so to speak [14:43] *** Oddment has joined #lounge [14:43] <Theoriser> hi oddment [14:43] <Oddment> hi theoriser [14:43] <tinkertime> it makes to the judgments of the death eaters, so arbitrary, what percentage makes you pureblood? [14:43] <ProngsPatronus> We learn that Rita Skeeter is still reporting, and probably dashed off a book about Harry which was 1/4 truth and 3/4 rubbish. How do you feel about this outcome for Rita? [14:44] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [14:44] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [14:44] <ProngsPatronus> typical! she is a survivor [14:44] <ProngsPatronus> and it rather puts her in the same category as Peeves [14:44] <Oddment> the yellow journalists are always with us [14:44] <ProngsPatronus> unplesant, but impossible to get rid of! [14:45] <tinkertime> Seems to fit with JKR's feelings about journalists in general [14:45] <cbm> she is such a pest [14:45] <Aislinn> it's much like our own society [14:45] <Theoriser> well, as much as we dislike her and hoped that she wouldn't turn up again, it's like in real life [14:45] <tinkertime> some of them will tell the truth, and some of them will make up what they think will sell [14:45] <JaneMarple9> seemed to sum up rita [14:46] <JaneMarple9> i expected it [14:46] <ProngsPatronus> I have to wonder if this is the revenge for being put in a bottle for a year... [14:46] *** Innereye has joined #lounge [14:47] <tinkertime> true prongs, too bad Hermione didn't keep her in the bottle! [14:47] <cbm> I am surprised that her revenge did not come during HBP [14:47] <Oddment> actually, rita does manage to put some truth in her writing [14:47] <pthree> that's what i was thinkin tinker [14:47] <JaneMarple9> yeah hermione should have kept her as a pet [14:47] <ProngsPatronus> lol [14:48] <ProngsPatronus> When asked if Minerva was in love with Albus, Jo answered "No! Not everybody falls in love with everybody else..." Are there any couples you were surprised at seeing? Others that you've guessed may have been/are couples? [14:48] <Innereye> maybe Rita forgave Hermione after the Quibbler article got her back in the biz? [14:48] <tinkertime> I still think Luna and Neville would have made a great pair [14:48] <cbm> I thought it was going to end up dean/luna at the end of DH [14:48] *** princess has joined #lounge [14:49] <JaneMarple9> i was surprised luna and dean did not get together [14:49] *** omikse has joined #lounge [14:49] <Oddment> it was strange we didn't hear more of hagrid and his French amie [14:49] <pthree> I saw the whole Ron and Hermione ships from the beginning, ti's to bad it took so long to get them together [14:49] <ProngsPatronus> yes--Dean looked like he was interested in Luna after the battle [14:49] <JaneMarple9> or luna and neville - neville needs a good woman [14:49] <tinkertime> that's true oddment [14:49] *** FernDandylion has joined #lounge [14:49] <princess> I wanted luna and neville to get together [14:49] <Theoriser> Luna and Neville would have been nice [14:49] <Oddment> and I really liked the idea of a Harry/Luna pairing [14:49] <Innereye> It would have been fun to see a few more Hogwarts couples on the platform 19 years later [14:50] <JaneMarple9> ron and hermione, ginny and harry - not a surpise to me! It was obvious from book 1 [14:50] <cbm> I do not think Harry had the patience to be with Luna [14:50] <ProngsPatronus> it certainly would have helped with our own curiosity [14:50] <pthree> i wonder who Malfoy ended up with [14:50] <tinkertime> how will Grawp ever find a date? [14:50] <princess> Yeah of all the characters harry seemed the best partner for luna [14:50] <Innereye> ew, tinkertime! [14:50] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [14:50] <JaneMarple9> yes...who was Mrs Draco Malfoy? [14:50] <tinkertime> lol [14:50] <Oddment> hmmm, maybe cbm, but she seemed to understand him intuitively [14:51] <princess> Perhaps madam maxime has a few relatives [14:51] <Theoriser> maybe pansy parkinson? [14:51] <ProngsPatronus> the great unanswered question--who would want to live with Draco? [14:51] <Theoriser> lol prongs [14:51] <princess> Hehe good one prongs [14:51] <Innereye> I have a feeling Draco may have been slightly more tolerable after the events of book 7, tho. [14:51] <ProngsPatronus> Pansy did seem quite taken with him through the series [14:51] <tinkertime> Arrggghh - prongs! Draco probably have a lot of issues [14:51] <cbm> But draco has been brought down a few pegs to te point he might of learned humility [14:52] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps he put her out of her misery [14:52] <Oddment> i just reread chapters 9 and 10, and wondered... did Harry and Ginny move into 12 grimmauld place? [14:52] <JaneMarple9> i always thought pansy parkinson [14:52] <Innereye> don't think it was Pansy, otherwise why wouldn't Jo just have said 'Draco and Pansy'? [14:52] <Oddment> kind of a gloomy place to raise kids [14:52] <JaneMarple9> but draco deserves a name to his wife [14:52] <Innereye> I agree Oddment. Too many bad memories [14:52] <Theoriser> yeah innereye [14:52] <ProngsPatronus> I think it would have been much improved, since Kreacher was happy again [14:52] <princess> No i dont think harry would have like to live in grimmauld place [14:53] <JaneMarple9> i'd say they moved in grimmauld place - kreacher would cheer it up [14:53] <Innereye> And they never could get Mrs. Black off the wall--poor kids! [14:53] <tinkertime> I picture Harry and Ginny living near Bill and Fleur by the ocean [14:53] <princess> It would have reminded harry fo sirius [14:53] <Oddment> so i thought, maybe Harry sold it to Draco! [14:53] <JaneMarple9> or godric's hollow [14:53] <ProngsPatronus> so, remove the wall... [14:53] <JaneMarple9> :lol: [14:53] *** omikse has quit [Bye] [14:53] *** omikse has joined #lounge [14:53] <ProngsPatronus> I always wondered why they did not do that [14:53] <princess> :) ) [14:54] <ProngsPatronus> surely there is a DIY Magical equivalent [14:54] *** omikse has quit [Bye] [14:54] <Theoriser> lateral thinking, prongs :D [14:54] <JaneMarple9> one way around it! - reducto! [14:54] <Innereye> maybe that's a sign of how temporary the dwelling was for everyone. [14:54] <FernDandylion> Or just plaster over her [14:54] <Oddment> maybe harry's wand got more power from the Elder Wand, and was able to clean out mrs black and the tapestry [14:55] <tinkertime> D.I, W. M. - do it with magic, the new home-improvement channel for wizards [14:55] <Innereye> Is it ethical to destroy a magically animated portrait? [14:55] <Innereye> or inter it in drywall? [14:55] <Oddment> maybe hermione just stuffed her into her handbag [14:55] <JaneMarple9> with mrs black - we'll make a exception! [14:55] <ProngsPatronus> We learn that the jinx on the DADA position was lifted with Voldemort's death. Who do you think took over in that role? [14:56] <cbm> dawlish :) [14:56] <JaneMarple9> slughorn? [14:56] <ProngsPatronus> I think maybe Arthur [14:56] <JaneMarple9> or arthur or molly [14:56] <princess> dawlish would do good :D [14:56] <Oddment> maybe they got lockhart back :) [14:56] <JaneMarple9> even mcgonagall [14:56] <pthree> i think harry would have been great, but we know he doesn't [14:56] <Theoriser> I think someone new that we've never heard of before [14:56] <FernDandylion> Ah! Dawlish! What a giggle! [14:56] <ProngsPatronus> Dawlish was a DE [14:56] <princess> I wanted harry to have taken that post when he got older [14:56] *** Puzzlepiece has joined #lounge [14:56] <tinkertime> I agree with the Theoriser [14:57] <Oddment> daedalus diggle? [14:57] <cbm> Dawlish was an auror, he just went with the flow [14:57] <ProngsPatronus> looks like there was lots of new blood after the battle for Hogwarts [14:57] <FernDandylion> Surely one of the order would have taken the spot. [14:57] <princess> Maybe harry still comes in from time to time and gives special seminars on fighting darkk arts [14:57] <Innereye> or maybe a minor DA member? [14:57] <cbm> maybe cho [14:57] <Oddment> how about the ghost of severus snape? ghosts can teach... [14:57] <JaneMarple9> i would have said kingsley but his MOM now! [14:58] <Puzzlepiece> Severus wouldnt have come back as a ghost [14:58] <cbm> I think it would be tough for a ghost when they have to demonstrate spells [14:58] <Innereye> Princess, Jo did say Harry might pop in for special DADA seminars from time to time [14:58] <JaneMarple9> snape...even after everything is revealed about him, i don't think he'd go back to teaching [14:58] <princess> Oh i forgot about that innereye [14:58] <Theoriser> lol as much as snape wanted the dada job I don't know if he'd come back as a ghost just to teach it [14:59] <ProngsPatronus> Aberforth is apparently still in Hogsmeade, playing with his goats, according to Jo. Do you think that his views of Albus were modified by the conversation he and Harry had about Albus's remorse while drinking the potion in the cave? [14:59] <JaneMarple9> he wouldn't want to be a ghostie [14:59] <FernDandylion> With so many dead it is hard to say who is would be ... [14:59] <princess> Imagine the terror of the students ...ghost of severus :D [14:59] <Innereye> I agree, I can't see Snape as the ghost-type [14:59] <JaneMarple9> very possible [14:59] <ProngsPatronus> I truly hope so [14:59] <Oddment> i dunno... could he be happy in the afterlife, since lily would be with james? [14:59] *** Innereye has quit [Bye] [14:59] <ProngsPatronus> Aberforth was in much the same position as Snape--unable to let go [14:59] <FernDandylion> I think Harry's talks with Aberforth help him understand Albus better [14:59] <JaneMarple9> i think aberforth's opinion changed - he came to fight for hogwarts with the order etc [15:00] <cbm> I think that was a start, I think that a conversation where Harry relates what he said in Kings cross would do more [15:00] <ProngsPatronus> I hope he found a measure of peace [15:00] <princess> I think aberforth's views on albus should have changed a little [15:00] <Puzzlepiece> I think it changed a lot. After over 100 years though, its hard [15:00] <JaneMarple9> i am sure when harry told him what he thought albus had seen taking the potion, made him think [15:00] <Oddment> yeah, abe would be pretty set in his opinions [15:00] <tinkertime> I agree prongs that man sure deserves a little peace after everything he lived through... [15:01] <princess> But i still think he doesnt agree with the greater good business [15:01] <JaneMarple9> aberforth will make his peace with albus in the after life i think [15:01] <Puzzlepiece> of course not, princess [15:01] <Oddment> still a lot of resentment [15:01] *** macmerdo has joined #lounge [15:01] <FernDandylion> I think the issue of family is still paramount [15:01] <ProngsPatronus> hey, macmerdo [15:01] <pthree> i'd like to think that at some point he'd forgive him but you never can forget what happened [15:01] <macmerdo> Hi there, my first time here [15:02] <ProngsPatronus> maybe not forget, but put it behind one [15:02] <Oddment> hi mac :) [15:02] <princess> Hi macmerdo :) [15:02] <tinkertime> welcome aboard, Mac [15:02] <pthree> hi macmerdo [15:02] <FernDandylion> Hi mac!!! [15:03] <macmerdo> Thankyou, I seem to be missing a bit [15:03] <ProngsPatronus> mac, we are discussing Aberforth [15:03] <Oddment> but we don't have much to say, really... [15:03] <JaneMarple9> i thought his patronus was great [15:03] <Oddment> ;) [15:03] <macmerdo> Hello all :) [15:03] <ProngsPatronus> well, then, let's move on [15:03] <JaneMarple9> what else could it had been? :) [15:03] <macmerdo> Aah [15:03] <ProngsPatronus> Narcissa was never a Death Eater, although she shared the beliefs of her DE husband, Luscious(oops, Lucius) until Voldemort marked her son for death. Did your feelings for Narcissa change in this last book? [15:03] <Oddment> i liked the "new DA teacher" question... [15:03] <princess> I loved his line to ron..with a brain like that you could become a death eater boy :D [15:04] <Puzzlepiece> Yes, she wasnt as much a DE as much as someone looking out for her family. Very much maternal [15:04] <JaneMarple9> yes ... it was obvious she was in charge of the malfoy family [15:04] <FernDandylion> I think Narcissa's obvious LOVE of her sone made the difference ... [15:04] <ProngsPatronus> mine changed [15:04] <Oddment> lot of parallels between Molly and Cissa [15:04] <pthree> I always felt that the Malfoy family wasn't much into being DE's it was more of a status thing with them [15:04] <macmerdo> She certainly felt that she needed to back her husband up [15:04] <ProngsPatronus> I saw a little light in her darkness [15:04] <tinkertime> I think Narcissa has some pretty deep character flaws, but for one redeeming quality is how much he cares for her son. It's kind of her one claim to fame. [15:04] <princess> I knew her priorities changed from readin book 6 [15:04] <JaneMarple9> she was more concerned for her family than voldie [15:05] <macmerdo> I liked the parallel between Narcissa and Lily [15:05] <ProngsPatronus> well, he was also a bad guest [15:05] <ProngsPatronus> I think that had something to do with it [15:05] <Oddment> heheh prongs [15:05] <FernDandylion> A Mother's Love is a constant theme isn't it. [15:05] <JaneMarple9> it was good that narcissa never gave harry's pretence away [15:05] <Oddment> Harry owes her big time, for the "death certificate" [15:05] <ProngsPatronus> LV had humiliated her husband in his own home [15:05] <tinkertime> LOL, and prongs - voldy guest it's worse than having your in-laws over for eight weeks! [15:05] <pthree> becuase she really good have turned harry in at that point [15:05] <JaneMarple9> absolutely! [15:06] <princess> Like melissa said on pottercast,even if you are evil your a good mother [15:06] <Puzzlepiece> before i saw her as a horribly cold person. she was warmer, if not a nicer or better person [15:06] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think Narcissa took kindly to that [15:06] <macmerdo> She owes him for the life of her son - guess they're quits [15:06] <ProngsPatronus> exactly [15:06] <JaneMarple9> no, voldie was not a good house guest [15:06] <Puzzlepiece> who would ever want voldie as a house guest...honestly [15:06] <FernDandylion> I think by the time of the big fight even Lucious was changed [15:06] <Oddment> "the thing that wouldn't leave" [15:07] <ProngsPatronus> Narcissa strikes me as very much the Southern belle [15:07] <princess> Imagine how they must have felt when voldemort arrived at their door step the first time :) [15:07] <macmerdo> Sirius's mother wasn't a good mother [15:07] <ProngsPatronus> manners would mean a lot to her [15:07] <JaneMarple9> narcissa didn't want draco to be a death eater i don't tthink [15:07] <princess> Narcissa wanted her son to be safe [15:07] <macmerdo> Didn't want him to die [15:07] <tinkertime> I'd imagine that things are great between Narcissa and Lucius. He sort of a lost a lot of his persona of power in book 6&7 [15:07] <ProngsPatronus> I agree, JAne [15:07] <Puzzlepiece> "can I stay the night?" [15:07] <tinkertime> *are not [15:07] <JaneMarple9> even lucius was less fond of voldie [15:08] <macmerdo> Seen the light? [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> Dumbledore is confirmed as being more fond of Ron than he or Harry imagined, having got to know him through Harry's and his teacher's comments. Does this surprise you? Why do you think Dumbledore would feel this way? [15:08] <princess> I found lucius change of character in the first chapter quite striking [15:08] <Puzzlepiece> "oh dont mind me. I just felt like getting a snack...at 2 am. dont mind the dead bodies" [15:08] <Theoriser> they only really wanted to have power over others [15:08] <princess> Hehe [15:08] <JaneMarple9> very interesting [15:09] <macmerdo> Dumbledore was maore aware of many things and he would be watching Harry's friends very carefully [15:09] <JaneMarple9> he praised ron, with the chess game, in book 1 [15:09] <Puzzlepiece> right Jane [15:09] <cbm> I think that Dumbledore observed Harry, Hermion, and Ron quite a bit, so he was very familiar with him [15:09] <Oddment> DD probably knew a lot more about all his students than they realized [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> it does surprise me a bit--Dumbledore was unusually hands off when it came to Ron [15:09] <Theoriser> I can imagine Dumbledore liking Ron, somehow [15:09] <macmerdo> I agree [15:09] <tinkertime> I think Dumbledore always saw the potential in people, and with Ron. He kind of could foresee how Ron would mature... [15:09] <JaneMarple9> i am sure dumbledore knew the trio inside out [15:09] <macmerdo> I like Ron [15:09] <FernDandylion> Do we really know much about how DD felt about Ron -- just that Harry would need boh his friends [15:09] <Puzzlepiece> there are also reports from teachers about the students, so I imagine he had a handle on every one [15:09] <princess> Remember how he gave neville those points as a means to boost his confidence a bit [15:10] <Theoriser> they both had a good sense of humour :D [15:10] <Oddment> good point princess [15:10] <JaneMarple9> he knew what ron could see in the Erised mirror [15:10] <princess> He knows a lot more about his students than they think,a great deal more about ron because he was harrys best friend [15:10] <ProngsPatronus> and both had red hair,,, [15:10] <macmerdo> Ron thought DD was mental - brilliant but mental [15:10] <JaneMarple9> yeah i always thought ron and dumbledore were distantly related [15:10] <Oddment> well, ron was pretty much right :) [15:10] <tinkertime> yeah Mac, and in a way. He was right [15:10] <FernDandylion> But, still, wasn't all the will business about preparing Harry? [15:10] <cbm> I think that Dumbledote coming out of nowhere in book 1 at the mirror was probably just 1 of many times DD was watching Harry [15:11] <JaneMarple9> but there again, all wizarding families were connected [15:11] <macmerdo> DD will know a lot about Ron and he realised that Ron would probabaly leave but that the other two needed him [15:11] <pthree> that's one thing they always tell us your are truely a true teacher when you get to know all your students, does that make sense [15:11] <princess> And he gave him the deluminator because he knew he would want to come back [15:11] *** Puzzlepiece has quit [Bye] [15:11] <tinkertime> it also makes me wonder how good and Occlumens DD was... maybe he was able to read Harry's thoughts about Ron... [15:12] <Oddment> i doubt DD would read minds covertly [15:12] <macmerdo> DD was a brilliant legilimens [15:12] <cbm> I forgot about occlumency [15:12] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [15:12] <FernDandylion> Ah, tinkertime.... do you think Harry worried about Ron? [15:12] <princess> Yeah i dont think DD would disrespect peoples privacy in that manner [15:12] <macmerdo> Hi Cloudpic [15:12] <ProngsPatronus> We learn that Firenze was welcomed back into the herd. Were you surprised to see them join in the final battle at Hogwarts, or to learn this fact? [15:12] <JaneMarple9> hi cloudpic! [15:12] <tinkertime> worried but also was proud of him... [15:12] <ProngsPatronus> hey, cloudpic [15:13] <pthree> no, i had a feeling they'd come around [15:13] <JaneMarple9> i wasn't all that surprised [15:13] <FernDandylion> I surprized [15:13] <cbm> DD would send the order into an ambush, I am sure he would have no problem using occlumency for the greater good [15:13] <ProngsPatronus> I was hoping [15:13] <Oddment> yes, i was surprised... wonder what happened to bring the centaurs in [15:13] <macmerdo> I was glad to see that the Centaurs joined [15:13] <princess> What do you think it was that made them change their mind? [15:13] <tinkertime> it took Hagrid, reading them the riot act before they really did much of anything to help him [15:13] <JaneMarple9> but surprised to learn that firenze was welcomed to the herd again [15:13] <JaneMarple9> i thought he was gone for good [15:13] <FernDandylion> Or, did they know what was about to happen ... [15:13] <cloudpic> Hey, Jane! I wasn't so surprised by the centaurs respect... they didn't genuinely "like" any humans, but they'd respected Dumbledore [15:14] <JaneMarple9> probably because hogwarts was being attacked [15:14] <Oddment> they all seemed to think Voldie would win, until the final battle anyway [15:14] <ProngsPatronus> well, Bane's star would have waned after that, and Firenze would have been proved right [15:14] <macmerdo> I wonder what caused them to realise that they were a part of the world and that Firenze was needed by them [15:14] <princess> Do you think they kept seeing harry dying or making it through till the end? [15:14] <cloudpic> and they seemed to know that Voldemort was a threat. Perhaps it was the attack on the children's school that lead them to change? [15:14] <tinkertime> I think the centaurs got so caught up in examining the big picture, that they were oblivious to what was going on right around them. Until Hagrid pointed out... [15:14] <ProngsPatronus> good point, tinkertime [15:15] <princess> Yeah maybe they saw the attack on foals an eveil act. [15:15] *** wrackspurt55 has joined #lounge [15:15] <Oddment> maybe they got to know Umbridge :) [15:15] <cbm> Or maybe since they were seers they knew what was in for them in a world with voldemort in charge [15:15] <macmerdo> They certainly cared about children - even humans [15:15] <princess> Good point cbm [15:15] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [15:15] <macmerdo> very true cbm [15:16] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [15:16] <princess> But i still didnt like the fact that they had to be reminded by hagrid [15:16] <JaneMarple9> eah thats right cbm [15:16] <macmerdo> Although if that were the case why didn't they see it all the time [15:16] <Oddment> maybe tyhey aren't very *good* seers [15:16] <JaneMarple9> they would know how powerful vodie was [15:17] <FernDandylion> So many things had to happen injust the right way and sequence for everything to work out! [15:17] <macmerdo> Sometimes people have their head in the clouds and don't see what's in front of them [15:17] <ProngsPatronus> well, there is a difference between being a seer, and having common sense [15:17] <JaneMarple9> firenze seems a good seer [15:17] <pthree> sometimes it takes someone to spell it out for you to finally see the light [15:17] <cbm> Maybe they did not get involved until they thought Harry was dead and they were doomed [15:17] <ProngsPatronus> yes, pthree [15:17] <princess> Like wormtail [15:17] <JaneMarple9> the fifth years were impressed with his divination lesson [15:17] <cloudpic> That's true FernDandylion... and it's hard too to see when a danger is one you should involve yourself in... even we Muggles sometimes ignore threats to others. [15:18] <Oddment> mars is very bright tonight [15:18] <cloudpic> LOL Oddment! [15:18] <princess> Yeah maybe they kept seeing harry was going to make it and when they saw him dead they thought they read the stars wrong [15:18] <cloudpic> That is quite "generalized"! [15:18] <macmerdo> lol lol [15:18] <Theoriser> good idea princess [15:18] <cbm> I have to go, have a great holiday! bye [15:18] *** wrackspurt55 has quit [Bye] [15:18] <macmerdo> Or maybe they saw that it was right and decided to do something about it [15:19] <princess> Bye cbm [15:19] <cloudpic> They saw war coming... they even saw the dangers to specific wizards.... but did they see Voldemort as a threat to their world? [15:19] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [15:19] <Oddment> cu cbm [15:19] <tinkertime> *having tea with Trewlany to check this theory out... [15:19] <ProngsPatronus> Given Voldemort's fear of death, someone asked if he was now a ghost, but Jo replied that he was forced to exist in the stunted, baby form that was seen in the Kings Cross chapter. Why do you think this is? [15:19] <Oddment> *sigh* late again... [15:19] <Theoriser> it could have made them realise that they couldn't just stand by and let Voldy take over, they should fight against him like Harry had [15:19] *** wrackspurt55 has joined #lounge [15:20] <Oddment> beats me... need to ask JKR for clarification :) [15:20] <cloudpic> Perhaps that slashed and fragmented soul wasn't capable of lingering.... he couldn't "cross over" nor linger behind? [15:20] <pthree> that's a good questions [15:20] <FernDandylion> I think that when your soul is in so many pieces a whole cannot exist in the afterlife. [15:20] <JaneMarple9> because his soul had been so scarred, making the horcruxes? [15:20] <princess> Or maybe they saw harry sacrificing himself in the forest and wasnt inspired to join in. [15:20] <JaneMarple9> exactly fern :) [15:20] <ProngsPatronus> I think it is because there are conswquences [15:20] <cloudpic> Each time they destroyed a horcrux... part of his soul was lost forever. [15:20] <ProngsPatronus> LV never showed remorse [15:21] <cloudpic> Perhaps that's what Dumbledore meant when he said that Death wasn't the worst thing? [15:21] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I think so [15:21] <macmerdo> Could it be that theat was left as it was himself that destroyed the horcrux? [15:21] <Oddment> do you think Jo's afterlife has a Hell? Or is being stuck as babymort the "worse than death" fate? [15:21] <tinkertime> I really liked to this imagery. JKR, truly captured the fact that voldy was tainted from birth. Unredeemable and every sense of the word, without even childhood innocence and he remains in that pathetic state, because he could never show remorse. [15:21] <princess> Yeah thats hwo i saw it too cloudpic [15:21] <JaneMarple9> i'd say so oddment [15:22] <cloudpic> I can't think of a worse "hell" for Tom Riddle than an eternity with his useless, helpless bit of a soul lingering in that anteroom [15:22] <ProngsPatronus> I think that, if he were able to show remorse even in the Otherworld, that he would change [15:22] <JaneMarple9> certainly a fate worse than death to exsist as that "thing" at kings cross [15:22] <Oddment> which would explain why he couldn't move on, i guess [15:22] <macmerdo> I like that idea tinkertime [15:22] <ProngsPatronus> it becomes a Limbo [15:22] <macmerdo> I like that idea tinkertime [15:22] <Theoriser> if I understand Hermione right, then the pieces of soul in the horcruxes were completely destroyed, with no chance of going on or being reattached. So that babymort thing was all that was left of Voldemort's soul, and I don't think he could have come back as a ghost with such a fragmented soul [15:22] <tinkertime> *checking under benches at King's Cross Station [15:22] <princess> The stunted form was harrys perspective,maybe voldemort went through something different and more painful when he was knocked unconscous [15:22] <JaneMarple9> voldie doesn't know what remorse means prongs :) [15:23] <Oddment> i'd rather be babymort in limbo, than stuck in limbo along with babymort! [15:23] <macmerdo> I like that idea tinkertime [15:23] <ProngsPatronus> maybe he will learn [15:23] <pthree> some people never learn [15:23] <ProngsPatronus> Someone questioned memory charms, as Hermione had stated that she didn't know how to do them at Tottenham Court Rd., but had spelled her parents to not know they had a daughter. Jo replies that these are two different spells, one to wipe one's memory and the other to alter it. Had you wondered about this at the time you read these passages, and do you accept this explanation? [15:23] <tinkertime> it is truly a fate worse than death for someone like voldy - no power [15:23] *** macmerdo_ has joined #lounge [15:23] <cloudpic> I thought it was the best justice for Voldemort's ready killing of the most innocent bystanders [15:24] *** jaimedanser has joined #lounge [15:24] <ProngsPatronus> wb, mac, hey jaime [15:24] <FernDandylion> Ah, Theorist, so rather than 7 pieces of him , there is only the 1/7 that was in Harry -- so little there for a real soul and afterlife ,, that makes sense! [15:24] <jaimedanser> hi y'all [15:24] *** tinkertime has quit [Bye] [15:24] <cloudpic> I did. Seemed different not just in practice but in intent. [15:24] <macmerdo_> I am here but having trouble with my dialup! [15:24] <Oddment> hi JD [15:24] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [15:24] <princess> Hi jaime [15:24] *** tinkertime left #lounge [Leaving] [15:25] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [15:25] <ProngsPatronus> I thought it was JKR thinking fast, to tell you the truth [15:25] <cloudpic> The memory wipe that wretched Lockhart and Voldemort employed didn't allow for restoration as I understood it... and their intent was selfish [15:25] <pthree> i guess the thought never crossed my mind [15:25] <Oddment> i think maybe JKR had a little oopsie and thought of a reasonable way out [15:25] <princess> Yeha i thought so to prongs [15:25] <cloudpic> Hermione's alteration was to prevent her parents pain. [15:26] <ProngsPatronus> I thought about that right away--how can she do a spell she doesn't know? [15:26] *** wrackspurt55 has quit [Bye] [15:26] <cloudpic> Intent... and permanence seem to be the difference. [15:26] <ProngsPatronus> but I should never underestimate our hermy1 [15:26] <Theoriser> I thought it was reasonable that they were 2 different spells [15:26] <cloudpic> Remember they didn't "wipe" the DE's memories in that cafe... [15:26] <Oddment> right, prongs [15:26] <macmerdo_> Apparently the two spells were different [15:26] <cloudpic> Did they? [15:26] <FernDandylion> Hermione's charm one her parents was one she could study up on, and apply carefully. A spontaenous memory wiping would be different I think. [15:26] <Oddment> "everything I've tried so far, works" [15:26] <tinkertime> I think there is a difference between wiping out someone's memoryand altering it [15:27] <macmerdo_> I believe that was the intent [15:27] <Theoriser> it was like when Snape confunded Mundungus to think that the 7 Harrys was his idea [15:27] <tinkertime> it makes sense that it would be two different spells, and maybe Hermione only knew one of them [15:27] <Oddment> wingardium leviosa, baby! [15:27] <macmerdo_> levicorpus [15:27] *** wrackspurt55 has joined #lounge [15:27] <Oddment> cloudpic, yes they did [15:28] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [15:28] <Oddment> them and the waitress [15:28] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [15:29] *** cloudpic_ has joined #lounge [15:29] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [15:29] <ProngsPatronus> looks like we are having some technical problems [15:30] <wrackspurt55> you can say that again! [15:30] <ProngsPatronus> The reason that Voldemort is not employing Occlumency against Harry in the final book is because he is losing control, and doesn't understand the connection between them. Was Hermione right in trying to encourage Harry not to use this returned connection? [15:30] <jaimedanser> No, I think Harry should use it [15:30] *** skmstr3000 has joined #lounge [15:30] <macmerdo_> Besides, Hermione wouldn't want her parents memories gone, just in case she survived [15:30] <Oddment> it seemed to be all one way at that point [15:30] <jaimedanser> they wouldn't have learned nearly as much if he'd tried to block out all that Voldemort thought [15:31] <princess> I think at the time hermione didnt understand how useful it coulkd be [15:31] *** ascellaskat has joined #lounge [15:31] <macmerdo_> Harry couldn't help it as Voldemort was out of control [15:31] *** skmstr3000 has quit [Bye] [15:31] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I think that Hermione was wise [15:32] <ProngsPatronus> those connections are never fully one-way [15:32] <princess> She,just like snape couldnt quite get that voldemort would never try getting into harrys mind again [15:32] <ProngsPatronus> LV might have learned of Harry's quest [15:32] <FernDandylion> I believe there was a comment is 6 that LV wouldn't try to get into Harry's head again because it hurt him .. And Hermione was only parroting what was said before, but it was important in the end [15:32] <cloudpic_> I did understand Hermione's fear though... [15:32] <macmerdo_> I wished that she would try and understand a bit more, but then Harry wasn't good at explaining [15:32] *** macmerdo has quit [Bye] [15:33] <princess> Harry didnt know he was a horcrux and that was why the connection kept getting stronger [15:33] <macmerdo_> I can understand why she was worried [15:33] *** wrackspurt55 has quit [Bye] [15:33] <princess> Yeah me too [15:33] <macmerdo_> I didn't know either [15:34] *** wrackspurt55 has joined #lounge [15:34] <cloudpic_> I though Harry was really smart to use the connection... even though he said he hated having Voldemort in his head. [15:34] <tinkertime> Hermione was using common sense to reason that it was dangerous. But Harry realized that he was in more control of voldy than vice versa- the information he got from the connection was so useful... [15:34] <princess> Yeah ultimately harry learned to control it [15:34] <ProngsPatronus> why is that, cloudpic? [15:34] <cloudpic_> Hermione was taken aback a bit when he told her that... I mean when he asked her how she'd like it [15:34] <macmerdo_> He realised that this was his way to finally find the last horcrux and how close Voldemort was [15:35] <tinkertime> don't think he could have defeated voldy without it [15:35] <princess> Yeah i dont think so too [15:35] <macmerdo_> I don't think so either [15:35] <cloudpic_> They needed to know what voldie was up to... it was the only resource they had! They'd not known about Gregorovich otherwise [15:35] <ProngsPatronus> ah, well--our Harry always was a risk-taker [15:35] <tinkertime> I agree, cloud pic [15:35] <JaneMarple9> exactly [15:35] <princess> Knowing about gregorovitch wasnt that important,was it? [15:36] <macmerdo_> It was the info that Harry got from Voldie that enabled to piece things together [15:36] <cloudpic_> Poor kid... like having to eat take dreadful meds to stay alive [15:36] <ProngsPatronus> or like DD and the potion [15:36] <cloudpic_> Yes... knowing he was abroad... knowing when he was coming back [15:36] <ProngsPatronus> nasty medicine, regardless [15:36] <JaneMarple9> well grevorvitch had the wand, and grindelwald stole it [15:36] <cloudpic_> Oh, Yes! Prongs! [15:36] <princess> Oh yeah id forgotten about that cloudpic [15:36] <tinkertime> that's how Harry started to make the connection with the deathly hallows and how he chose when he needed to act because he could see where voldy was and what he was doing [15:37] *** Spectre has joined #lounge [15:37] <JaneMarple9> quite a important connection really [15:37] <Spectre> wow, I did catch up :D Hi all [15:37] <macmerdo_> Agreed tinkertime [15:37] *** clayzy4hp has joined #lounge [15:37] <cloudpic_> And harry had a point... it had saved lives before (remembering Arthur) [15:37] <princess> Hi spectre [15:37] <ProngsPatronus> Viktor Krum apparently finds love back in his native Bulgaria. Did you ever expect that he and Hermione would end up together? [15:37] <ProngsPatronus> hey, Spectre [15:37] <macmerdo_> No not at all [15:37] <FernDandylion> No ... always Ron ... [15:37] <princess> No,it was meant to be ron and hermione [15:37] <cloudpic_> Oh... no, not ever. I knew it was Ron and Hermione. [15:37] <pthree> no, i could tell it was going to be Hermione and Ron from the begining [15:37] <princess> forever [15:38] <wrackspurt55> agreed [15:38] <cloudpic_> Though... I'd have liked Krum to have been more involved in a positive way. [15:38] <tinkertime> nah - Hermione was over him by the end of book 4 [15:38] <Theoriser> no, even Krum thought it would be Ron and Hermione! [15:38] <macmerdo_> :D [15:38] <FernDandylion> But, I did wonder how he was going to show up in 7. [15:38] <Spectre> But Ron was still jealous, after all those years :) [15:38] <cloudpic_> He just slouched in and grumped about and dropped the hint about the symbol. [15:38] <clayzy4hp> Yup, I'd be very surprised if Ron and Hermy didn't end up together. [15:38] <macmerdo_> Insecure [15:38] <cloudpic_> At least it wasn't all just Krum = Ron jealous... he did have the hallows symbol hint to drop. [15:38] *** jaimedanser has quit [Bye] [15:39] <tinkertime> agree mac! [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Krum was too forceful for hermione, in the end [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> they wouldn't have suited [15:39] <macmerdo_> Krum wasn't it, it was always ron [15:39] <cloudpic_> Well... remember how delighted Hermione was to see Krum?! She dropped her special little magic bag! [15:39] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has joined #lounge [15:39] <princess> I agree,ron and hermione were best friends [15:39] <Spectre> Rowling doesn't like the Slavic characters... Dolohov is plain bad, Karkaroff is a coward, Krum reminded me of Ivan Drago's image from Rocky 4 a bit... and poor Gregorovitch was killed :) [15:39] <tinkertime> Hermione would've gotten bored with Krum. [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> hey, W3! [15:39] <clayzy4hp> Yeah, Hermione needed someone more lighthearted. She's already pretty hard on herself [15:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hi [15:40] <Spectre> hi WWW! [15:40] <cloudpic_> Indeed.... that's a good point clayzy4hp [15:40] <macmerdo_> Ron is definitely who she needs [15:40] <cloudpic_> I hadn't thought of all the negatives with Slavic characters, Spectre. [15:40] *** ascellaskat has quit [Bye] [15:40] <princess> Yeah ron and hermione are the perfect couple,pretty well balanced [15:40] <ProngsPatronus> good point, Spectre [15:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But Ron had some growing up to do [15:40] <Spectre> I'm Russian, so I notice these things :D [15:41] <clayzy4hp> That's interesting. I wonder if it is coincidence, haha [15:41] <Spectre> I give them a notice, I mean :) [15:41] <macmerdo_> :D Typical teenage boy [15:41] <pthree> I think in away Hermione was using Krum to make ron jealous [15:41] <macmerdo_> I agree pthree [15:41] <princess> Yeah i ve felt the sae way pthree [15:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think it is the history rather than the characters. Unfortunately Russia has had some fairly nasty historic figures [15:41] *** tinkertime has quit [Bye] [15:42] <Spectre> but Krum isn't Russian :) [15:42] <macmerdo_> So have many other countries Spectre [15:42] <Spectre> though there was a Bulgarian king named Krum [15:42] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No, he's Bulgarian isn't he? [15:42] <clayzy4hp> I thought so [15:42] <FernDandylion> I think Krum was very important, and obviously good ... his grandfather was killed by GG and all .. [15:43] <wrackspurt55> was there anything significant about the king Krum...or did he just like slouching? [15:43] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Grindelwald obviously of German extraction with British rellies [15:43] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [15:43] <JaneMarple9> krum was interesting to see at the wedding [15:43] <macmerdo_> Krum was, he was able to give Harry some vital info [15:43] <clayzy4hp> haha wrackspurt [15:43] <pthree> Maybe Krum's a bit misunderstood, maybe he's just a big Teddy Bear :) [15:43] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I loved that Krum asked if Ron and Hermione were together yet. [15:44] <FernDandylion> I've always thought of him as good (Krum) -- he mentioned that people were nice to him even though he was from Durmstrang, etc. [15:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think he knew what was going on and having a good laugh. [15:44] <tinkertime> true www. Krum showed a vulnerable side... [15:44] <princess> Yeah i loved that too waggawaggawerewolf [15:44] <Spectre> The historical Krum was a prominent ruler who expanded the Bulgarian territory [15:44] <cloudpic_> I didn't know there was a historic link! [15:45] <princess> Wonder what happened to krum,maybe he takes up the post od DADA at hogwarts [15:45] <ProngsPatronus> Someone asked about the necessity of killing off Hedwig at the beginning of the book, to which Jo replied: "The loss of Hedwig represented a loss of innocence and security..." What was your reaction to this loss? [15:45] <clayzy4hp> I bawled :( [15:45] <JaneMarple9> it didn't bother me on first reading [15:45] <ProngsPatronus> I was rally shocked [15:45] <macmerdo_> Devastated, why oh why oh why [15:45] <pthree> I love animals so I instantly cried for a long time [15:45] <Theoriser> I was shocked [15:45] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> In WW2 Bulgaria came out smelling like roses, unlike some other countries [15:45] <wrackspurt55> shocking, and teary [15:45] <JaneMarple9> i wanted to know how harry was going to escape [15:46] <Spectre> the AK actually penetrated the bird cage... the ray was very thin, or the cage was damaged? [15:46] <clayzy4hp> I never expected it, but afterwards I realized I probably should have [15:46] <cloudpic_> I did too, clayzy4hp... but I thought it was because Hedwig was not going to be able to accompany Harry safely.. and, alas, she wasn't. [15:46] <princess> I was quite shocked [15:46] <JaneMarple9> but hedwig was the first proper birthday present harry had had [15:46] <ProngsPatronus> I just couldn't figure out why Harry wouldn't let her fly, rather than being in that cage [15:46] <Theoriser> but she could have had so many reasons for killing hedwig, now I think about it. [15:46] <cloudpic_> I was soo sorry that she was angry with Harry... [15:46] <tinkertime> I was devastated, but I think that JKR needed to create a more realistic in danger to Harry than the lurking voldy threat. We certainly knew that the book wasn't going to be slow getting started after that! [15:46] <FernDandylion> I thought it odd right away that Hedwig was ignoring Harry, etc. Then when she died I thought it tied up the idea of having an owl (but then cruckshanks sorta disappeared). [15:46] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I was upset by Hedwig's death but felt it was necessary. She was a bit conspicuous, and therefore a sitting duck. [15:46] <clayzy4hp> I think it really showed how Harry's innocence and that wonder of the magical world was gone [15:47] <macmerdo_> I read that if Harry had let Hedwig go then the DE's would have used her or followed her [15:47] <cloudpic_> Yes..., FernDandylion, it did jolt us into the notion that we were going to see dreadful losses.... "always the innocent" [15:47] <tinkertime> WWW - sitting duck or sitting owl? [15:47] <cloudpic_> That's a thought, isn't it, macmerdo? [15:47] <Theoriser> as well as showing a loss of innocence, it also broke off Harry, Hermione and Ron's contact with the rest of the wizarding world, and made the reader feel like it could be anyone next [15:47] <cloudpic_> Absolutely, Theoriser. [15:48] <pthree> i could see the DE doing that, any connection to harry would have been useful [15:48] <clayzy4hp> As Harry said, she was his first link to the magical world, so losing her would definitely symbolize something. Like what you said, Theoriser [15:48] <macmerdo_> I agree [15:48] <tinkertime> agreed theoriser ,it was all real wake-up call for us readers. [15:48] <Spectre> Hedwig could have been Imperiused... [15:48] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Throughout the books, Hedwig becoming less and less useful. She was barely mentioned in HBP [15:48] <ProngsPatronus> everything had to be stripped from Harry--all his links to the world [15:48] <cloudpic_> It was awful too, that Harry had to blow up her remains [15:48] <clayzy4hp> oh, yes :( [15:48] <princess> Yeah imagine how much pain that must have caused him [15:49] <princess> :( [15:49] <cloudpic_> Was she aging? Hagrid's reaction surprised me a bit... something about a long good life? [15:49] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Not a nice thing to have to do at all. [15:49] <clayzy4hp> Maybe for owls, that is a long life?? [15:49] <cloudpic_> (thinking about that pitiful Errol was it?) [15:49] <FernDandylion> We don't know how old she was when Harry got her do we? [15:49] <clayzy4hp> I don't think so... [15:49] <princess> nope [15:49] <ProngsPatronus> Jo confirms that the Trio will end up on Chocolate Frog cards, and that Ron will describe it as his finest hour. Does this remind you of anyone else's reaction? [15:50] <cloudpic_> Could be? Or maybe as the books become less young children's stories... the cute animal characters become less part of the picture? [15:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No, if Hedwig's death had happened in any other way, Hagrid would have gone ballistic. [15:50] <cloudpic_> Yay! [15:50] <Spectre> Dumbledore [15:50] <ProngsPatronus> it was so DD [15:50] <FernDandylion> DD [15:50] <macmerdo_> Dumbledore! [15:50] <princess> Dumbldores:d [15:50] <JaneMarple9> dumbledore [15:50] <clayzy4hp> Yeah, I just read that!! [15:50] <JaneMarple9> nd nicholas flamel too [15:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Dumbledore of course. It is even on this month's Wizard of the Month. [15:50] <cloudpic_> LOL... we seem to be in complete agreement. [15:50] <ProngsPatronus> Snape is the only Death Eater that could conjure a Patronus, because the Death Eaters generally fight alongside or create the things that Patronuses protect wizards from, and would have no use for them. Why do you think Snape learned to create one? [15:50] <macmerdo_> We do we do [15:50] <cloudpic_> Is it? I can't wait to check! [15:50] <clayzy4hp> Haha [15:51] <clayzy4hp> For Lily :) [15:51] <macmerdo_> When did he learn to conjure a patronus? [15:51] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Because he loved Lily [15:51] <princess> Imagine when ron first describes the cards to harry,did he ever think he was gonna end up on one of them.lol [15:51] <Spectre> He never used it to message OotP... [15:51] <clayzy4hp> Lily is the answer to all of Snape's problems. haha.. [15:51] <macmerdo_> That's a question thatI would be interested in finding out [15:51] <FernDandylion> Perhaps it was his membership in the Order ... but, I like the idea that Lily taught him! [15:51] <cloudpic_> He needed to protect himself... it would have to have been after he rejected the DE's from what Jo said about DE's not creating them [15:51] <JaneMarple9> he knew how to love [15:51] <tinkertime> yes for Lily, in fact, I think it was after her death that he learned to create it [15:51] <cloudpic_> I wonder if he taught himself after seeing Harry do it? [15:52] <princess> I think it was after her death [15:52] <cloudpic_> Dumbledore was surprised that the Patronus was the doe. [15:52] <clayzy4hp> Do you think he might have learned it at school, in DADA? [15:52] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But he wasn't in the first Order was he/ [15:52] <princess> I always thought dumbledore taught him [15:52] <cloudpic_> So he hadn't seen it before that revelation. [15:52] <wrackspurt55> agreed jane. the rest of the death eaters aren't capable of loving, so therefore, they can't conjure a patronous [15:52] <Spectre> Lupin taught Snape? :D [15:52] <macmerdo_> I think that it would be after her death and when he rejected the DE's [15:52] <pthree> what is his happiest memory of Lily? [15:52] *** tinkertime has quit [Bye] [15:52] <princess> That must mean he taught himself,what a brilliant wizard :) [15:52] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Nope he probably learned it from Dumbledore [15:52] <wrackspurt55> that would be hilarous spectre! [15:52] <cloudpic_> Snape is the sort who teaches himself... remember he was the HBP [15:52] <clayzy4hp> But DD said "After all this time?" so maybe he saw it before.. [15:52] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [15:53] <princess> Dumbledore cant have taught him,he was surprised to see snapes doe [15:53] <ProngsPatronus> perhaps he meant adfter all this time since Lily died [15:53] <cloudpic_> I took "after all this time" to be a question about Snape's loving Lily rather than the Patronus staying a doe. [15:53] <ProngsPatronus> it had been some years [15:53] <macmerdo_> De's don't need patronuses as patronuses are to protect against dark evil [15:53] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Of course he would have done if he taught Snape. [15:53] <princess> I thought the same too cloudpic [15:53] <FernDandylion> DD was transfiguration ... [15:54] <cloudpic_> I will hold to my notion that he was self taught. But can agree to disagree. [15:54] <Spectre> What defines a "happy thought"? [15:54] <Oddment> DD may have know an older patronus form, before it became a doe [15:54] <ProngsPatronus> I think DD was a little surprised Snape was that constant [15:54] <Spectre> Though... I withdraw my question, I forgot Umbridge's Patronus :) [15:54] <clayzy4hp> That's what I thought, too [15:54] *** hermeeownee has joined #lounge [15:54] <ProngsPatronus> hey, hermeeownee [15:54] <clayzy4hp> A kitten, is it? :) [15:54] <FernDandylion> Yes, Severus' constant Love was a surprise to everyone [15:55] <ProngsPatronus> Jo announced that one of the other titles she considered for the final book was The Elder Wand. What do you think of this name? [15:55] <macmerdo_> I think that it was always a doe after Lily, I took the question to mean that Snape still loved Lily after all these years [15:55] <princess> Maybe he taught snape before lily died and it was a different one,which manifested itslef as lilys after her death [15:55] <Spectre> Harry Potter and the Elder Wand... [15:55] <JaneMarple9> it would have given too much away [15:55] <macmerdo_> Good thought princess [15:55] <cloudpic_> Well.... not everyone.. there were a few theorizers who hit on that idea early. [15:55] <JaneMarple9> my opinion [15:55] <ProngsPatronus> I rather like it [15:55] <Theoriser> I think The Deathly Hallows was a better choice [15:55] <clayzy4hp> I thought that that was probably the other title [15:55] <princess> Yeah too mucho of a give away [15:55] <princess> Better ring to it [15:55] <Spectre> Deathly Hallows is much more ambiguous [15:55] <Theoriser> DH is more ambiguous [15:55] <Oddment> DH was better -- it made people crazy trying to figure out what it meant [15:55] <Spectre> LOL Theoriser :) [15:56] <Theoriser> lol [15:56] <clayzy4hp> Deathly Hallows is more vague and....well deathly [15:56] <macmerdo_> Deathly Hallows had us all guessing - I think it was a better title [15:56] <Theoriser> it sounds mysterious, no one had any idea what it meant [15:56] <ProngsPatronus> well, the Elder Wand is a give-away only in hindsight [15:56] <cloudpic_> Agreed... we did love our months of speculation! [15:56] <princess> Plus we would have guessed what the elder wand was by then [15:56] <clayzy4hp> yeah, with the Elder wand, you know it's a wand. [15:56] <princess> Agreed cloudpic [15:56] <FernDandylion> DH had everyone even discussing parts of speech! [15:56] <wrackspurt55> agreed...and it forced us to brush up on our english a bit...to try a figure out what it meant [15:56] <cloudpic_> I wonder if Deathly Hallows was the mysterious term Jo said she'd come up with? [15:56] <pthree> for the longest time everyone I had taked to thought it was a place, not items, [15:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> And it wasn't just the Elder Wand but also Harry's Invisbility Cloak and the Resurrection Stone [15:57] <clayzy4hp> Yeah [15:57] <princess> Yeah all three of them were important [15:57] <JaneMarple9> i always hoped it was a object/objects [15:57] <cloudpic_> Was anyone even remotely expecting the invisibility cloak to have an extra importance?? [15:57] <ProngsPatronus> What title would you think of as a good alternative? [15:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> The Invisibility Cloak? [15:57] <princess> Nope didnt think that all [15:57] <macmerdo_> I think that the Elder wand would have given it more importance than it really had [15:57] <pthree> no to the extent that is did, [15:57] <FernDandylion> No, not the cloak -- until JKR had said it was import why DD had it [15:58] <JaneMarple9> harry potter and the defeat of lord voldlemort? [15:58] <clayzy4hp> It did have importance though, it defeated Voldy [15:58] <macmerdo_> Happy with DH [15:58] <Oddment> in retrospect, we should have realized it was special [15:58] <princess> I thought it was connected with the mysterious person at godrics hollow the night lily and james died [15:58] <JaneMarple9> or whould that be too much of a hint? :lol: [15:58] <cloudpic_> Another title.... Harry Potter and the Last Riddle still tickles me. [15:58] <wrackspurt55> DH was a great title as far as i'm concerned [15:58] <clayzy4hp> I always wanted to know why DD had it [15:58] <Oddment> lol jane [15:58] <ProngsPatronus> Harry Potter and the Master of Death [15:58] <macmerdo_> I think any wand that Harry was master over would have defeated him [15:58] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It doesn't seem there was such a person after all. [15:58] <FernDandylion> Yes, princess, I think we all did [15:58] <cloudpic_> Oh, that'd have been good, Prongs! [15:58] <tinkertime> I agree Mac [15:58] <Oddment> ooh, good one prongs [15:59] <JaneMarple9> harry potter and dumbledore's legacy? [15:59] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Not bad..... [15:59] <cloudpic_> I think Harry and Dumbledore both Mastered death. [15:59] <clayzy4hp> I think Deathly Hallows is good, because it's like all the others, you don't know exactly what it is. [15:59] <FernDandylion> But, we had to stay in the dark about who would win [15:59] <cloudpic_> I like that, Jane. [15:59] <cloudpic_> That would have been properly mysterious as well. [16:00] <ProngsPatronus> Jo reveals that she would like her Patronus to be an otter, but feels it likely she would have a big dog. Does this reveal anything about Jo? [16:00] <JaneMarple9> harry potter and the sign of grindelwald? [16:00] <clayzy4hp> She wants to be like Hermione?? [16:00] <ProngsPatronus> What would your Patronus be? [16:00] <Spectre> She's very loyal? [16:00] <Spectre> My Patronus... a guinea pig :D [16:00] <macmerdo_> Cat [16:00] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> That she doggedly finished the series? [16:00] <FernDandylion> Her mirroring of Hermione ... [16:00] <ProngsPatronus> sorry--two-part question [16:00] <wrackspurt55> Maybe thats she's loyal and protective of her kids [16:00] <princess> Shes more of a dog person :) [16:00] <pthree> mine would be either a dog or a bear [16:00] <FernDandylion> mine would be a dog, too [16:00] <clayzy4hp> I would hope my patronus is a platypus [16:00] <Spectre> A large Sheltie guinea pig :) [16:00] <cloudpic_> The otter is fun loving and so would a big dog be... both are friendly. [16:00] <princess> Mine would be a bird [16:00] <JaneMarple9> hermione's was a otter right? [16:00] <cloudpic_> A platypus?!?!? [16:00] <princess> or a cat [16:01] <cloudpic_> I think so, Jane. [16:01] *** fantasyweaver has joined #lounge [16:01] <hermeeownee> that she liked surius? [16:01] <ProngsPatronus> I'll stick with a stag-like creature [16:01] <Spectre> Ron's Patronus was a terrier [16:01] <cloudpic_> And right you should, Prongs! [16:01] <fantasyweaver> why? [16:01] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> A platypus is good. Mine would be an echidna, I think [16:01] <macmerdo_> Hmm princess bird or cat - I see a conflict [16:01] <JaneMarple9> jo must like dogs - and yes, a sirius fan! [16:01] <Oddment> i'm not sure i could learn to summon a patronus [16:01] <cloudpic_> Alas, clouds are not living beings... [16:01] <princess> Yeah prongs :D [16:01] <Spectre> though a BIG dog... Sirius turned into a sighthound, non? [16:01] <fantasyweaver> a squirrel [16:01] <fantasyweaver> a squirrel [16:01] <clayzy4hp> Sure you could, oddment. Happy thoughts!! [16:01] <JaneMarple9> i'd have a owl, or a phoenix patronus [16:02] <tinkertime> Dragon [16:02] <clayzy4hp> Yes, phoenix would be nice, too [16:02] <cloudpic_> Oh, the owl would be lovely, Jane! [16:02] <princess> Think of Jo writing an 8th book oddment :) [16:02] <fantasyweaver> i'd like to have an owl but if they repsesent me then it would be asquirrel [16:02] <clayzy4hp> Haha [16:02] <Oddment> lol [16:02] <ProngsPatronus> a great horned owl--lovely creatures [16:02] <Spectre> Did Pettigrew have a rat or a worm patronus? :) [16:02] <Oddment> well, there's the small problem that I'm not a wizard [16:02] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I'm too short for a kangaroo. [16:02] <JaneMarple9> rat probably! [16:02] <cloudpic_> Could he even summon a Patronus? [16:02] <FernDandylion> Did wormmy have a patronus at al? [16:02] <clayzy4hp> Yeah, I always wondered if your patronus is the same as your animagus?? [16:02] <princess> He couldnt summon one [16:02] <cloudpic_> I agree... if he did, it would've been a rat. [16:02] <fantasyweaver> i doubt peter could [16:02] <princess> only snape of all the de's could [16:03] <fantasyweaver> umbridge is not good she had one' [16:03] *** Nimbus has joined #lounge [16:03] <cloudpic_> Because, Snape wasn't really a DE after he experienced remorse. [16:03] <pthree> why is that I wonder? [16:03] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think the patronus is the same as an animagus form. McGonagall's patronus a cat [16:03] <ProngsPatronus> I am thinking that Patronuses ar taught at Hogwarts, NEWT level [16:03] <Oddment> maybe mine would be a hummingbird [16:03] <princess> I dont think its necessary [16:03] <fantasyweaver> how do we know mcgonnogel [16:03] <cloudpic_> Umbridge is nasty... but she still opposes any Dark Arts directed her way. [16:03] <fantasyweaver> grr [16:03] *** macmerdo has joined #lounge [16:04] <wrackspurt55> "the world isn't divided into good people and death eaters" [16:04] <FernDandylion> McG sent her patronuss to the other teachers in 7 ... [16:04] <fantasyweaver> oh, thanks [16:04] *** macmerdo has quit [Bye] [16:04] <cloudpic_> She sent McG.... sent was it three cats on errands during the battle of Hogwarts! Go Minerva! [16:04] <hermeeownee> yes- Umbridge just didn't want them aimed at her- [16:04] <clayzy4hp> Umbridge isn't EVIL I guess, she just... needs help [16:04] *** macmerdo has joined #lounge [16:04] <hermeeownee> but she was willing to torture for the sake of "punishment'. [16:04] <JaneMarple9> yeah she has three patronuses! [16:04] <fantasyweaver> no she is evil just not a death eater [16:04] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> She sent 3 patronuses to summon the other 3 heads of houses, after she dealt with Amycus Carrow [16:04] <JaneMarple9> mcgonagall doesn't do things by halves! [16:04] <princess> Wonder what happened to umbridge [16:04] <fantasyweaver> about time [16:05] <clayzy4hp> haha go McG!! [16:05] <cloudpic_> I was surprised Umbridge's Patronuses were cats... she should have had toads. [16:05] <wrackspurt55> i wondered that too princess... [16:05] <pthree> Umbridge is lot like the Malfoy's, they're just trying to keep up with the Jones [16:05] <macmerdo> Umbridge went to Azkaban [16:05] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No, Umbridge not a DE but definitely evil. [16:05] <princess> heh lol cloudpic [16:05] <fantasyweaver> animagus form probably is atoad [16:05] <JaneMarple9> yep toad seems to suit umbridge! [16:05] <tinkertime> i wish we had seen Minerva kick Umbridge's behind in the final battle! [16:05] <clayzy4hp> Exactly pthree [16:05] <Oddment> i never heard you couldn't have more than one copy of your patronus at a time... why not three? [16:05] <JaneMarple9> or a centaur.....nah thats her boggart :lol: [16:05] <princess> Yeah that would have been awesome tinkertime [16:05] <cloudpic_> She was imprisoned according to JKR (Umbridge... arrested, tried, imprisoned) [16:05] <cloudpic_> LOL Jane! [16:05] <hermeeownee> she should have gone to Azkaban - she used unforgiveable curses [16:05] <FernDandylion> McG sent her patronuss to the other teachers in 7 ... [16:05] <cloudpic_> Indeed. [16:05] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Suitable fate [16:05] <Oddment> guarded by centaurs, i hope [16:05] *** FernDandylion has quit [Bye] [16:06] <cloudpic_> She did. But no more dementors... only her own guilt. [16:06] <fantasyweaver> yaeh and mermaids [16:06] <clayzy4hp> She was imprisoned?!?! Must have missed that... [16:06] <ProngsPatronus> Someone asked why Tom would not have known the ring was a Hallow, to which Jo replied that it only worked it you turned it 3 times in you hand. Why did Voldemort never understand that he was seeking/had possession of Hallows? [16:06] <Theoriser> lol oddment [16:06] *** FernDandylion has joined #lounge [16:06] <cloudpic_> OOOO... Oddment, there's a thought! [16:06] <tinkertime> clippity-clop, clippity-clop [16:06] <Oddment> lol [16:06] *** macmerdo has quit [Bye] [16:06] <clayzy4hp> Centaurs wouldn't do that [16:06] <fantasyweaver> he didn't read wixarding fariy tales [16:06] <Spectre> I have a theory that Voldemort is a direct descendant of Cadmus Peverell, therefore the Hallow was HIS [16:06] <Theoriser> like Dumbledore said, he would have thought it was just a stupid children's tale [16:06] <cloudpic_> His focus was on other goals... he didn't seek the Hallows as they didn't promise immortality? [16:07] <fantasyweaver> if he read it [16:07] <princess> Agreed theoriser [16:07] <Oddment> riddle wasn't raised by wizards, never heard the tale [16:07] <fantasyweaver> the cloak may have [16:07] <wrackspurt55> LV had nothing to gain from the ring/stone...he never loved [16:07] <princess> He wouldnt have found it appealing [16:07] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Never read fairy tales, never interested in looking after little kids, and definitely more interested in horcruxes [16:07] <fantasyweaver> and he feared the dead [16:07] <ProngsPatronus> or his family history, oddment [16:07] <tinkertime> it was too simple - he would have thought it beneath investigating - besides by the time he knew of the wand, he already thought he had conquered death by the Horcruxes [16:07] <princess> Yeah if the same fairy tale hinted of horcruxes he would have researched a bit more [16:07] *** FernDandylion has quit [Bye] [16:07] *** macmerdo_ has quit [Bye] [16:07] <Theoriser> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [16:07] <clayzy4hp> Voldy was too interested in himself, not learning about Grindelwald or other powerful wizards an what they were after [16:07] <fantasyweaver> and he hated relying on outside forces [16:07] <Spectre> Cadmus is a Greek hero who's associated with snakes - hence the connection with Voldy [16:07] <ProngsPatronus> I think he would have liked to talk with his famous ancestor, though [16:08] <hermeeownee> he didn't see mastery over death as much of a sure thing as horcruxes- and he was willing to killl, where those seeking the hallows dind't have to. [16:08] <fantasyweaver> slytherin almost certainly has a portrait [16:08] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I wonder when he stopped wearing Morfin's ring [16:08] <fantasyweaver> when he nedd to hide it [16:08] <cloudpic_> I wonder if he'd even run across the stories of their existence... or he'd just dismissed them as useless? [16:08] <wrackspurt55> who WWW, DD or LV? [16:08] <princess> Yeah when he felt it needed protection [16:08] <tinkertime> when he made the horcrux - he needed to hide it away from his physical being [16:09] <JaneMarple9> tom i think [16:09] <JaneMarple9> he never had his ring on during the chamber of secrets book [16:09] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> LV. He was wearing it openly in Slughorn's memory. [16:09] <Spectre> Voldy was never in "the Quest"... can you imagine Xeno Lovegood giving speeches of the Hallows to Voldy? :) [16:09] <cloudpic_> Perhaps after he turned it into a horcrux he hid it? [16:09] <fantasyweaver> im' not sure it was a horcrus in the memory [16:09] <clayzy4hp> Haha....good fanfic material.. [16:10] <wrackspurt55> oh yes.. that would be absolutely hilarious spectre [16:10] <cloudpic_> I don't really know the timeline. [16:10] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think it would have been. [16:10] <hermeeownee> interesting that LV piece of soul didn't corrupt the hallow all that time! [16:10] <fantasyweaver> yeah, how olf is xeno [16:10] <Spectre> Probably Arthur's age, or so [16:10] *** Fern has joined #lounge [16:10] <Oddment> good think it was still a working hallow after DD split it open [16:10] <Oddment> think=thing [16:10] <fantasyweaver> younger then voldy [16:10] <tinkertime> DD sure had a lapse of brainpower when he put on the ring! [16:10] <clayzy4hp> yeah.... [16:10] <princess> Isnt it interesting voldys horcrux soul didnt affect harry at all [16:11] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> The horcrux had been destroyed by the time Harry used the Resurrection stone [16:11] <fantasyweaver> i think their talking about the part in harry [16:11] <ProngsPatronus> Jo indicates that the Dark Mark on the Death Eaters arms would fade, but remain as scars. Do you think that this was used in the trials held after the war was over? [16:11] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes, Harry got a lot of pain from the horcrux [16:11] <hermeeownee> DDputting on the ring shows that he always wanted the power- [16:11] <Fern> Yes, I imagine so. [16:11] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Very likely [16:11] <hermeeownee> some desires die hard. [16:11] <clayzy4hp> Oo that would be helpful [16:11] <wrackspurt55> yep...pretty obvious if you have a giant scar on your arm, if you were a de [16:12] <fantasyweaver> only ion the immediate aftermath [16:12] <tinkertime> maybe - but i also think by then they knew who all of the DEs were... [16:12] <Spectre> But how many Dark-Marked DEs there actually are? [16:12] <clayzy4hp> So what about the Malfoys?? [16:12] <Oddment> um... all of them? [16:12] <fantasyweaver> are the any that don't have it? [16:12] <clayzy4hp> and what would the sentence be? [16:12] <princess> Yeah that would be helpful,people wouldnt get off this time like luciis did in the first war [16:12] <Fern> Only 20 in the inner circle had the dark marks [16:12] <hermeeownee> the deatheaters definately came out of hiding a lot more thistime. [16:12] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Their part largely over by the Battle of Hogwarts [16:12] <cloudpic_> Sounds a good question for Jo, Spectre [16:12] <ProngsPatronus> I am thinking that the malfoys didn't have any more prison time [16:13] <Spectre> Jo said that Malfoys weren't sentenced [16:13] <clayzy4hp> ahh ok [16:13] <cloudpic_> No.. they seem to have been left to sit in the Great Hall untouched. [16:13] <fantasyweaver> I doubt harry himself would be happy if persecutution was based on scars [16:13] <ProngsPatronus> after all, they were most reluctant hosts, and Narcissa helped Harry in the end [16:13] <ProngsPatronus> Harry would have spoken for her [16:13] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Nope. And I think Lucius too humiliated to be much of a trouble subsequently [16:13] <Spectre> There were a lot of people who were either Imperiused or just willingly supported Voldemort's cause, like Umbridge... [16:13] <clayzy4hp> Yes, true [16:13] <cloudpic_> No more "witch hunts"! [16:13] <pthree> they became witnesses for the defense thus given immunity [16:13] <ProngsPatronus> yes, cloudpic [16:14] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> And Harry saved Draco's life 3 times [16:14] <princess> yes cloupic [16:14] <Fern> Who thinks that Stan was actually a DE? [16:14] <Oddment> prosecution, you mean? [16:14] <cloudpic_> There was already a great deal of suffering. [16:14] <fantasyweaver> i don't [16:14] <hermeeownee> justice would have been for the Malfoys to have to spend all their money on legal representation and die poor.... [16:14] <ProngsPatronus> Marietta's pimples finally faded to a few scars, and Jo mentions how much she loathes a traitor. What do you think of her choice with this character? [16:14] <princess> I think stan was imperiused [16:14] <wrackspurt55> i doubt stan ever was a de. just imperiused [16:14] <cloudpic_> I don't... I think poor Stan was imperioused... just like Harry thought. [16:14] <fantasyweaver> yes i mean prosecution, i am a terrible typist [16:14] <princess> lol hermeeownee [16:14] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I think that Stan was a bit of an idiot. [16:14] <cloudpic_> I was surprised, actually, at the severity of Marietta's "punishment." [16:15] <Oddment> smacks of "don't snitch" a bit, to me... [16:15] <princess> Yeah i didnt agree with Jo on that one [16:15] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Well she was a snitch [16:15] <pthree> yes oddment that's what i meant [16:15] <fantasyweaver> they should have faded for it to be fair [16:15] <ProngsPatronus> I can understand, though [16:15] <princess> She was only 15 [16:15] <tinkertime> the outward signs of scarred souls [16:15] <cloudpic_> Stronger than not snitching... don't betray a trust. [16:15] <Spectre> Draco didn't look too poor... though having receding hair at the under-40 age, the life must be tough :) [16:15] <ProngsPatronus> I loathe raitors, too [16:15] <clayzy4hp> It was clever, but harsh. It seems that's another way in which JK is Hermione-ish [16:15] *** svernor has joined #lounge [16:15] <cloudpic_> Interesting idea, tinkertime! [16:15] <Fern> Hermione really was a brilliant girl! It was a bit harsh, but in the end it was good that it was! [16:15] <ProngsPatronus> *traitors* [16:15] <fantasyweaver> I mean she deserved some punishment, but not to be scarred for life [16:15] <Theoriser> it was kind of nasty, her mother was working at the ministry and she didn't want to be in the da anyway [16:15] <princess> Agreed fantasyweaver [16:16] <wrackspurt55> it serves as a reminder [16:16] <ProngsPatronus> she shouldn't have joined, then [16:16] <fantasyweaver> cho kind of dragged her in [16:16] <princess> Many charcaters have done far worse in the books [16:16] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Marietta written out of the movie [16:16] <cloudpic_> I don't like permanent punishment for a child's crime, though. [16:16] <princess> Permanent scarring is too severe [16:16] <cloudpic_> That's true, WWW [16:16] <Theoriser> if it had stayed for a while then gone, then that would have been better, but to be scarred for life because of a mistake made at a young age wasn't nice [16:16] <pthree> and they made cho the one who turned them in, didn't like that change [16:16] <hermeeownee> true, cloudpic [16:17] <Fern> Harry was scared for lIfe ... [16:17] <clayzy4hp> I wonder if Marietta realized what kind of things Umbridge would do to them if she tattled [16:17] <princess> I never liked cho much anyway [16:17] <cloudpic_> Yes, Harry was.. but that wasn't a child's doing. [16:17] <Spectre> well... Dumbledore didn't let Draco be scarred for life... [16:17] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But they also made Cho an inadvertent snitch, unlike Marietta which I didn't like either. [16:17] <hermeeownee> didn't she say that Harry's scar could no longer be seen? [16:17] <fantasyweaver> I doubt marietta did [16:17] <fantasyweaver> no harry's sacar just didn't hurt [16:17] <cloudpic_> No... only that his scar didn't hurt him anymore. [16:17] <Fern> Harry's was still there [16:17] <cloudpic_> LOL jinx, fantasyweaver! [16:18] <fantasyweaver> ha [16:18] <Oddment> the original last line hinted that the scar faded [16:18] <fantasyweaver> it di? what was it? [16:18] <cloudpic_> Perhaps she decided the scar should be remembered. [16:18] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> People didn't notice it anymore, only those who loved him. [16:18] <fantasyweaver> thank go [16:18] <clayzy4hp> It would sort of bother me if the scar went away, since it is a scar... [16:18] <Oddment> something like, only those closest to him could see any hint of the scar. [16:18] <Theoriser> Harry still had a scar, but it wasn't because he betrayed anyone, it wasn't his fault [16:19] <Fern> Marrietta's punishment was harsh, but it foretold of all the future need for taking sides [16:19] <tinkertime> but Harry's soul was scarred - by the inadvertent Horcrux... [16:19] <fantasyweaver> i wonder if marietta scrathed her acne, that would leave scatrs naturally [16:19] <clayzy4hp> Maybe it meant only those close to him really knew what he had been through and what the scar was all about, so the scar only meant something to them [16:20] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> If Harry could be stuck with a lifelong scar why not Marietta as well? [16:20] <fantasyweaver> she was [16:20] <ProngsPatronus> I think the scar was an Icon for the WW [16:20] <cloudpic_> LOL.... now, That would serve her right, fantasyweaver! [16:20] <clayzy4hp> To everyone else it was just a mark on his head [16:20] <wrackspurt55> that's a great point clayzy4hp, never thought of that [16:20] <ProngsPatronus> everyone knew of the scar [16:20] <Spectre> Bill also was scarred for life [16:20] <Oddment> the line was intentionally ambiguous that way [16:20] <Spectre> and far worse than Marietta [16:20] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> that is a good point Spectre [16:20] <cloudpic_> Oh, yes, poor Bill... and even Ron (those brain marks on his arms, weren't they?) [16:20] <fantasyweaver> bill doesn't seem to mind [16:21] <ProngsPatronus> well, folks, it has been a lovely Labour Day weekend chat! [16:21] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Many people have acne scars in real life. [16:21] <Spectre> Harry had another scar - "I must not tell lies" [16:21] <Oddment> maybe some splinching scars too, for ron [16:21] <clayzy4hp> Ron's probably proud of his battle wound :) [16:21] <cloudpic_> I loved that he used that one in DH [16:21] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> And I'd better get ready for work [16:21] <princess> Fleur more than makes up for it with her beauty [16:21] <hermeeownee> that' s right - I forgot about that one. [16:21] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Bye [16:21] <fantasyweaver> and the one on his nech and chest [16:21] <ProngsPatronus> we are so glad that y'all took the time to come and chat with us [16:21] <Spectre> And THIS was a real punishment for a child's doing... [16:21] <Oddment> cu WWW [16:21] <princess> Agreed spectre [16:21] <cloudpic_> It's been so nice to see our old friends... and some new faces here today!! [16:21] <Fern> It was fun! [16:21] <clayzy4hp> This was fun, my first chat!! [16:21] <ProngsPatronus> I am so glad you enjoyed it! [16:21] <cloudpic_> Bookmark the chat! [16:22] <wrackspurt55> had a great time in my first chat! [16:22] <Spectre> yeah, glad to be back in the Leaky chat, I missed them :) [16:22] <fantasyweaver> my second, thoug I only cam in ten minutes ago [16:22] <tinkertime> have a great weekend - all of you! [16:22] <princess> I really enjoyed [16:22] <cloudpic_> And come back again. [16:22] <cloudpic_> please! [16:22] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has quit [Bye] [16:22] <fantasyweaver> this time i know how the exit [16:22] *** tinkertime left #lounge [Leaving] [16:22] <JaneMarple9> ((((boothers)))) [16:22] <JaneMarple9> great chat [16:22] <princess> I'll be back :) [16:22] <ProngsPatronus> (((hugs))) [16:22] <cloudpic_> (((hugs to all))) Yay for returns!! [16:22] <princess> Byee veryone [16:22] <ProngsPatronus> good! [16:22] <Fern> There is a way to exit? [16:22] <fantasyweaver> when is next time [16:22] <Theoriser> bye everyone! [16:22] <hermeeownee> bye all [16:22] <clayzy4hp> Bye, it was funn. I hope to be back soon!! [16:22] <ProngsPatronus> bye, everyone! [16:22] <wrackspurt55> bye bye! [16:22] <Fern> Bye, all! [16:22] *** svernor has quit [Bye] [16:22] <fantasyweaver> bye [16:23] *** princess left #lounge [Leaving] [16:23] <cloudpic_> See the sign on the right side of your page.... on Chats! [16:23] *** cloudpic_ has quit [Bye] [16:23] *** wrackspurt55 has quit [Bye] [16:23] *** fantasyweaver has quit [Bye] [16:23] *** Spectre has quit [Bye] [16:23] *** Oddment has quit [Bye] [16:23] *** Nimbus has quit [Bye] [16:23] *** clayzy4hp has quit [Bye] [16:24] *** Fern left #lounge [Leaving] [16:24] *** FernDandylion has joined #lounge [16:24] *** hermeeownee has quit [Bye] [16:24] <ProngsPatronus> fern? [16:24] *** FernDandylion has quit [Bye] [16:24] <ProngsPatronus> pthree? [16:24] *** hermeeownee has joined #lounge [16:25] *** pthree has quit [Bye] [16:25] <ProngsPatronus> time to close up shop, folks This post has been edited by Theoriser: Sep 2 2007, 04:45 PM |
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