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[15:06] *** Snuffles changed the topic to: Extra canon answers given by Jo Rowling (Aislinn) [15:06] <Rudius> how we all doing? [15:06] <Aislinn> fine, and you? [15:06] <Aislinn> you must be in the new interface [15:06] <Rudius> yep [15:06] <Rudius> trying it out [15:07] *** jaimedanser has joined #lounge [15:07] <Rudius> lost my last name - must have splinched myself again [15:07] <jaimedanser> hey [15:07] <Rudius> hi there [15:07] <fawkes28> hey jaime [15:07] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [15:07] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [15:08] *** jaimedanser has quit [Bye] [15:08] <Aislinn> ooh, that can be painful Rudius - do you have an Dittany? [15:08] *** jaimedanser has joined #lounge [15:08] *** cbm has joined #lounge [15:08] <NYBookworm> smile [15:08] <cbm> hi everyone! [15:08] <Aislinn> hello! [15:08] <fawkes28> hey cbm [15:08] <jaimedanser> hey cbm biggrin [15:08] <cbm> it has been a bit since I have made 2 in a row [15:09] <Rudius> lol - nope. If anyone sees a <Hagrid> running around IRC - just send it along here [15:09] <Aislinn> hahahaha [15:09] <Aislinn> nice to see you 2 days in a row, cbm! [15:09] <Rudius> hi cbm [15:10] <jaimedanser> hmm...chat seems kind of quiet today [15:10] <Aislinn> I love the way Jo seemed as excited as we were, to finally be able to talk freely about the books as she did in the webchat we're discussing today [15:11] <Aislinn> it is right now, jaime, but other people will likely come along [15:11] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [15:11] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [15:11] <Rudius> is Prongs going to make a turn you think? [15:11] <Aislinn> not sure [15:11] *** HeliumHead has joined #lounge [15:11] *** Rudius requested CTCP needs from #lounge: to have a word with him about cooking old house elves [15:12] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [15:12] <fawkes28> cooking house elves? what did i miss? [15:12] <fawkes28> that is not nice [15:13] <Rudius> lol we had a bit of a ... rematch after the fun with the 7/7/7 event [15:14] <fawkes28> ah [15:14] <Rudius> but in our respective comments sections in our profiles [15:14] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [15:14] <Rudius> so if you look at the one you'd be a bit clueless, but the two side by side would be a funny read [15:16] <Aislinn> test [15:16] <Rudius> passed [15:16] <fawkes28> lol [15:17] <Aislinn> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [15:17] <Aislinn> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [15:17] <Aislinn> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [15:18] <Aislinn> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [15:18] <Aislinn> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [15:18] <fawkes28> Now that the final book has been released, Jo is finally able to answer all of the many questions that we have that were not answered in the books. She seems quite as eager as we are to discuss these books and characters. [15:18] <fawkes28> One of the best sources of these answers is the Bloomsbury web chat, as well as the Dateline/Today Show interview. Let's explore these questions and Jo's answers for them. [15:18] <fawkes28> We learned a bit more about wand lore, when Jo explained that any wand will work for any wizard, but that the one that chooses the wizard works best for him. She also said that a relative's wand will work a bit better than any random wand. Does this suggest some type of genetic connection? [15:18] <jaimedanser> I think it does [15:19] <fawkes28> it mat just because it recognizes similar blood [15:19] <fawkes28> but i think the wand still really needs to choose the wizard [15:19] <HeliumHead> yes, it would seem to [15:19] <jaimedanser> well, yes [15:19] <Aislinn> It seems like a sort of connection to the genetic makeup of the person, especially if a family member's wand would work better than a random one [15:19] <jaimedanser> It all comes back to what Ollivander said...any wand will work, but only ONE will work great for the wizard [15:20] <Rudius> the wand and the wizard have a bond and they learn fom each other. It would seem to me that if the wand is passed to a relative, the wand would recognise the transferral [15:20] <fawkes28> right, jaime [15:20] <Aislinn> oh, that's an interesting thought, rudius - sort of a memory in the wood [15:21] <NYBookworm> well, i suppose a good question to ask to see if genetics were important in that is if the relative must be blood related- because what about an adopted child, or a spouse, or a friend so close they're practically family [15:21] <fawkes28> i wonder what would happen if that wand was Willed to a relative if that effect would be greater [15:21] *** futureweasley has quit [Bye] [15:21] <jaimedanser> hmm...interesting thought, fawkes [15:22] <Rudius> yes it seems from what ollvander said theres almost a bit of sentience there and this is what chooses the wizard as well as allows it to be transferred or taken [15:22] <JaneMarple9> be interested if dumbledore had willed the wand to harry [15:22] <fawkes28> that is interesting, NYB [15:22] <Aislinn> oh yes, NYB - are you thinking that it might be related to something other than genetics, like an emotional/soul connection? [15:22] <Rudius> i think the elder wand would have worked better for harry than for others but not as well as for its current master [15:22] <NYBookworm> yes, like hermione's wand sort of worked for Harry for example [15:23] <jaimedanser> Rudius--yeah, probably [15:23] <HeliumHead> no Jane, considering that DD intended SS to end up with his wand [15:24] <Rudius> but, possibly once it did not recognise Dumbledore as its master anymore it may have ignored the wishes of Dumbledore's will as well [15:24] <JaneMarple9> ok then perhaps he might have willed it to snape then [15:24] <HeliumHead> i think that you're right Rudius [15:25] <HeliumHead> and i don't think that DD willed it to anyone, otherwise he wouldn't have been buried with it [15:25] <Aislinn> Umbridge was able to conjure a Patronus, despite the presence of the Dementors, because she is a "very nasty piece of work." who has "an affinity for this horrible object" What do you think her happy thought was when she conjured her cat Patronus? [15:26] <JaneMarple9> torturing kiddies smile [15:26] <jaimedanser> That she had power, and a lot of it [15:26] <Rudius> Torturing harry in her kitten plate infested office [15:26] <Aislinn> I think you're right, jaime - she was in her glory, lording it over the muggle borns [15:26] <JaneMarple9> tourturing Muggle borns [15:26] *** fantasyweaver has joined #lounge [15:26] <HeliumHead> putting somebody "in their rightful place" [15:26] <fantasyweaver> hi [15:27] <fantasyweaver> what did I miss [15:27] <Rudius> hi fantasyweaver [15:27] <JaneMarple9> or when she became the Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher - being Fudge's spy [15:27] <Aislinn> I was a bit sad that her Patronus was a cat - too close for me to Minerva's animagus form [15:27] <Aislinn> We're just now talking about what Umbridge's happy thought was that let her conjure a Patronus, fantasyweaver [15:27] *** fawkes28 has quit [Bye] [15:27] <fantasyweaver> oh umbridge, she creeps me out even more then voldemort. [15:27] <JaneMarple9> more like a kitten aislinn - McGonagall's is a proper cat - and not just one either laugh [15:28] <jaimedanser> Jane--Yep [15:28] <Aislinn> yes - her layer of sweetness covers such an evil soul [15:28] <Aislinn> that's true, Jane [15:28] <Rudius> it made sense with her taste in decor, but i think it was a way of accentuenting her being an older spinster kind of thing [15:28] <fantasyweaver> the ootp summary put it best, a personality like poisened honey [15:28] <Aislinn> just a side note - a lot of us mods are having technical difficulties - if I disappear, you'll have to chat amongst yourselves biggrin [15:29] <fantasyweaver> who would marry umbridge [15:29] <Rudius> lol [15:29] <Rudius> Filch [15:29] *** Midnight has joined #lounge [15:29] <jaimedanser> No, filch likes Madam Pince [15:29] <Rudius> if Madame Pince wouldnt take him [15:29] <Aislinn> she and Filch would be suited to each other [15:30] <Aislinn> hi midnight - we're talking about Umbridge being able to conjure a Patronus in the presence of those Dementors [15:30] <fantasyweaver> umbridge might force him to marry her, and then divorce him when she finds out he is a sqib [15:30] <jaimedanser> I think flich is better than Umbridge, but that's just me [15:30] <jaimedanser> *filch [15:30] <Aislinn> I think he is, marginally, jaime [15:30] <Rudius> yes hes nasty, but at least hes honest about it [15:30] <fantasyweaver> and he care about hogwarts [15:30] <JaneMarple9> nah even filch deserves better than umbridge! [15:30] <Rudius> and consistent [15:30] <fantasyweaver> definatley [15:30] *** Midnight has quit [Bye] [15:31] *** MidnightPhoenix has joined #lounge [15:31] <JaneMarple9> i wouldn't wish umbridge on my worse enemy.... [15:31] <JaneMarple9> ...or perhaps voldie! [15:31] <Aislinn> Jo confirmed that Neville obtained the sword from the hat in much the same way that Harry did, by being a most worthy Gryffindor who asked for help, and that Griphook had it wrong about Gryffindor stealing the sword. How does this enchantment work then, and to whom does the sword really belong? [15:31] <Rudius> Bella would fix her in a trice [15:31] *** MidnightPhoenix has quit [Bye] [15:31] <jaimedanser> The sword belongs to true Gryffindors [15:31] <JaneMarple9> it showed that Neville was a true gryffindor [15:31] <HeliumHead> yes jaime [15:32] <Rudius> The sword belongs to the owner of the hat [15:32] <Rudius> which is Hogwarts [15:32] <JaneMarple9> and the sword belonged to godric gryffindor no matter what griphook thinks! [15:32] <fantasyweaver> the sword belongs to those who stand up to whatever nasty things life throws at them [15:32] <jaimedanser> I think that the enchantment works when a true Gryffindor puts on the hat and does something courageous, possibly [15:32] <cbm> I think that it now belongs to neville until the next person person needs itand is worthy [15:32] <Rudius> Gryffindors can use it, but in the end, if it is needed by another Gryffindor, it will go to them [15:32] <Aislinn> you think if the hat were left to or owned by someone else, the sword would transfer to that person Rudi? [15:32] <fantasyweaver> It nature means its owner keeps sswitching [15:32] <JaneMarple9> how fitting that the "other chosen one" killed nagini [15:33] <jaimedanser> Jane--exactly biggrin Go Neville! [15:33] *** bookworm1102 has joined #lounge [15:33] <fantasyweaver> it was fitting how when harry seemed lost, Neville was there [15:34] * JaneMarple9 is "quite" fond of Neville (understatement of the century! laugh) [15:34] <Aislinn> It does seem to have an enchantment on it that requires valor from someone, in order to call it [15:34] <Rudius> well, I think its moot really - Gryffindor made the hat into a sorting implement, and in essence ceding it to the school, and he would surely want to give his Gryffindors any help he could. [15:34] <jaimedanser> Rudius--well, of course he would! [15:34] <Aislinn> we're talking about how the sword came to Neville, bookworm1102, and how it was Gryffindor's not the goblins [15:34] <Rudius> so i think the end result is the sword became property of the school as well [15:34] <fantasyweaver> i thinkmaybe the sword belongs to the hat [15:34] <fantasyweaver> and the hat was gryffiondors [15:35] <fantasyweaver> just a note , excuse my bad typing [15:35] <bookworm1102> well if the hat was Gryffindors and the sword was gryffindors wouldnt they be connected somehow [15:35] <Aislinn> so, you could only call it to you if you have the hat? [15:35] <cbm> I still think it is Nevilles untill the next person needs it, just like it should have been Harrys [15:35] <jaimedanser> Yea, Aislinn, I think so [15:35] <Aislinn> but then, why did Harry or Ron have to perform an act of valor to obtain it in the forest? [15:36] <jaimedanser> to show they were true Gryffindors [15:36] <fantasyweaver> the hat became the pond, I am talking metaphoriccalyy [15:36] <Rudius> well, if that was the case there would have been no need for Dumbledore to cede it to him in his will, or to relieve him of it at the end of Harry's second year [15:36] <bookworm1102> wasnt neville showing an act of valor any way? [15:37] <HeliumHead> i think that irregardless of how it is come by, an act of true valor is required to obtain it [15:37] <cbm> Maybe Dumbledore knew the legends of the sword and tried to fit their obtaining it to the legends [15:37] <NYBookworm> I think DD left it in his will so that Harry would know he needed it [15:37] <Aislinn> to me, it is more that it still belongs to the spirit of Gryffindor, and you must meet his values in order to receive his aid [15:37] <fantasyweaver> yes he was giving hope to the other people with his defiance of voldemort [15:37] <jaimedanser> NYB--probably [15:37] <bookworm1102> agreed aislinn [15:37] <Rudius> That was to obtain Harry's trust. If it had been too easy to get, Harry would have not trusted it [15:37] <fantasyweaver> I do'n t think it has owners just users [15:38] <jaimedanser> fantasy--yes. I think it's "owner" if it even has one is Hogwarts [15:38] <Aislinn> The Hufflepuffs finally learn what their common room looks like, accessed through a still life by the kitchens: "It is a very cosy and welcoming place, as dissimilar as possible from Snape's dungeon. Lots of yellow hangings, and fat armchairs, and little underground tunnels leading to the dormitories, all of which have perfectly round doors, like barrel tops." Does this fit what you had imagined? [15:38] <Aislinn> does that question end with "you had imagined?" [15:39] <Rudius> i never tried to imagine their common room, but it seemed most fitting [15:39] <fantasyweaver> the yellow fits [15:39] <HeliumHead> yes it does [15:39] <fantasyweaver> it sounds like a hobbit hole [15:39] <JaneMarple9> seems very appropriate [15:39] <Aislinn> thanks helium [15:39] <JaneMarple9> he yellow [15:39] <jaimedanser> fantasy-- laugh Exactly [15:39] <bookworm1102> i guess i thought it would like the gryffindor common room except with the hufflepuff colors [15:39] <HeliumHead> agreed fantasy [15:39] *** jaimedanser has quit [Bye] [15:39] <JaneMarple9> and being near the kitchens - that why we had The Fat Friar! [15:39] <Rudius> lol [15:40] <Aislinn> I never really tried to imagine it either, but it reminds me a bit of the Hobbit villages, with the round doors [15:40] <Aislinn> and given that this is the earth element House, that seems quite fitting [15:40] <fantasyweaver> i forgot about the elements [15:40] <Rudius> agreed - its underground [15:40] <JaneMarple9> It must be near that portrait of the pear which the Trio tickled, to get into the kitchens, and where harry saw dobby again, in book 4 [15:40] <HeliumHead> and that HH's symbol is a badger [15:40] <fantasyweaver> and herbology teaxcher being head of house, that fits earth [15:40] <Aislinn> yes [15:40] <Rudius> and note its close to the working area in the castle [15:41] <Aislinn> right, and that fits the value of hard work for that house [15:41] <fantasyweaver> so how have the hufflepuffs never stumbled in to the kitchens [15:41] <JaneMarple9> yeah undeground, and the badger symbol - highly appropriate [15:41] <bookworm1102> sorry guys i gotta go [15:41] <Aislinn> bye bookworm1102 [15:41] *** bookworm1102 left #lounge [] [15:41] <Rudius> bye bookworm [15:41] <fantasyweaver> cozy fits it to [15:42] <HeliumHead> probably because they aren't as adventurous as Gryffindors, fantasy [15:42] <Aislinn> it sounds like a happy place. I still like the description of the Ravenclaw common room the best. [15:42] <Rudius> we dont know for sure the hufflebuffs havent [15:42] <HeliumHead> true [15:42] <fantasyweaver> true enough they probably have, they just don't steal food [15:43] <JaneMarple9> oh yes the ravenclaw one was wonderful [15:43] <Rudius> they may have been in there to help out before feats or something [15:43] <Rudius> feasts [15:43] <JaneMarple9> the way you have to answer a riddle to get into it [15:43] <fantasyweaver> i forget the description of ravenclaw [15:43] <Rudius> that was cool [15:43] <fantasyweaver> i remember the riddle though [15:43] <Aislinn> it is way up in a tower, and was very airy and blue [15:43] <Aislinn> sounded a bit more formal [15:43] <HeliumHead> light and airy with gothic arches over the windows [15:44] <fantasyweaver> air element? [15:44] <Rudius> the second one was hard though - i worry about first years knowing that answer [15:44] <Aislinn> I love gothic arches [15:44] <Aislinn> yes, air is their element [15:44] <Rudius> yep - air element [15:44] <HeliumHead> me too [15:44] <Aislinn> I wonder if the question is geared to the person entering, or the ability to reason an answer, even if wrong [15:44] <fantasyweaver> air fit luna. do we know any other ravenclaw [15:44] <JaneMarple9> cho [15:44] <Rudius> cho [15:45] <HeliumHead> i think that it was more the reasoning than the answer [15:45] <Rudius> penelope clearwater [15:45] <JaneMarple9> and she's a quidditch player - in the air [15:45] <fantasyweaver> oops, my bad [15:45] <Aislinn> I got that impression too, HeliumHead [15:45] <HeliumHead> cho [15:45] <Aislinn> We learn that Dumbledore saw something very similar to what Harry saw in the Mirror of Erised - his family alive and happy. Do you think this was one of the reasons Dumbledore was so drawn to Harry in the first book? [15:45] <JaneMarple9> definately [15:46] <fantasyweaver> yep [15:46] <Rudius> i think this is the reason he became so attached to the boy despite himself [15:46] <JaneMarple9> no wonder he said he saw wooly socks! [15:46] <cbm> I think so [15:46] <fantasyweaver> socks mean family, right? [15:46] <Aislinn> It sounded like Dumbledore did not expect to feel anything more than a usual caring for Harry when he made his plans to shape this "tool" but I think this really touched him [15:46] <Rudius> their first one on one meeting and he sees somethig in common with him [15:46] <JaneMarple9> It would give the whole series away if dumbledore said he saw this family [15:47] <Aislinn> He could relate to thedesire so personally. [15:47] *** Dragon has joined #lounge [15:47] <NYBookworm> it gave him great insight into Harry and empathy for him [15:47] <Dragon> Hello [15:47] <JaneMarple9> dumbledore seems to definately had a connection with harry [15:47] <Rudius> hi Dragon [15:47] <Aislinn> hey Dragon - we are talking about how Harry and Dumbledore would see the same thing in the mirror of erised [15:47] <Dragon> What are we all chatting about? [15:47] <fantasyweaver> I know he could, I still don;t think he was entirly lying about the socks [15:47] *** firstincantation has joined #lounge [15:48] <Dragon> Oh yes smile [15:48] <Rudius> maybe his mother was giving him socks in the mirror at the time biggrin [15:48] <Dragon> I think that and the fact that they both lived and lost loved ones in Godric's Hallow made them that much closer [15:48] <Aislinn> I agree, NYB, that it really made Harry more real and human for him [15:48] <Dragon> good point Rudius! [15:48] <HeliumHead> well, harry thought that it wasn't a real answer [15:49] <Dragon> Bye everyone, I just wanted to check out the chat room! [15:49] <fantasyweaver> i think that started it, but harry cemented the bond by being himself and caring about everyone [15:49] *** Dragon has quit [Bye] [15:49] <Aislinn> but like Jane said, it would give too much away to say what it would be in the first book [15:49] <HeliumHead> yes [15:49] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [15:49] <fantasyweaver> oh yeah [15:50] <Aislinn> welcome back, fawkes [15:50] <fawkes28> testing [15:50] <Aislinn> All of the speculation about a character doing magic late in life was for naught, as Jo said she changed her mind and didn't include this in the book. Who did you think it would be? [15:50] <HeliumHead> you're back [15:50] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [15:50] <Rudius> not only that, but it would take too long to explain to harry and way too personal, especially reagrding as to why his family is not with him [15:50] <Aislinn> good point, Rudius [15:50] <Rudius> I thout it would be Figg [15:50] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [15:50] <HeliumHead> i think that it was filch [15:50] <JaneMarple9> test test test [15:50] <JaneMarple9> yep [15:51] <Rudius> pass pass pass [15:51] <JaneMarple9> laugh [15:51] <fantasyweaver> I havn't a clue [15:51] <fantasyweaver> no, i thought it would be petunia [15:51] <fawkes28> oh, i thought it was going to be figgy [15:51] <Rudius> i had visions of he DE's attacking Privet drive and Figgy ding weather magic by accident [15:51] <firstincantation> Didders just to annoy Vernon [15:51] <Aislinn> it was hard to guess who it would be, but one of the squibs seemed to make the most sense to me [15:51] <fawkes28> i was so certain and remember thinking that i had missed it after i finished reading it [15:51] <JaneMarple9> awww the person who performed magic? [15:51] <fantasyweaver> why weather magic [15:52] <fawkes28> dudley was another good choice [15:52] <JaneMarple9> i wanted it to be dudders! [15:52] <Rudius> blow them all away [15:52] <fawkes28> i didnt think filch deserved it [15:52] <Rudius> no me neither hence Figg [15:52] <fantasyweaver> filch was hardly in the book, if at all [15:52] <Rudius> and Dudly doing magic was just way too scary to contemplate [15:52] <HeliumHead> well, it isn't about who deserves it is it? [15:53] <Aislinn> that's ture, fantasy- I think he only had one line in the whole book [15:53] <fantasyweaver> no it's not. I wonder whey she changer hermind [15:53] <fawkes28> i think it is, helium [15:53] <fawkes28> it would have been nice for someone who deserves it to get that chance rather than someone who would abuse it [15:53] <Rudius> well, not really, but books do like to have these things nice and neat and deserving people getting benefits [15:53] <JaneMarple9> it was a little bit disappointing [15:54] <Aislinn> I don't remember how long ago she said it, but her plotting seems to have taken a different direction than she had planend [15:54] <Rudius> i was so bummed - i had done a poll in UDH about it too [15:54] <fawkes28> yes, which was a bit disappointing [15:54] <HeliumHead> well, would filch have actaully abused it, or become a better person [15:54] <Aislinn> some of the things like this were actually said relatively early on in the series [15:54] <fantasyweaver> he would bhave hexed peeves [15:54] <fawkes28> We find out that Voldemort got his wand back from Peter returning it to him. When do you think he did this, and if it wasn't until he returned to him at the end of PoA, where had he stored it? [15:54] <firstincantation> Do you think the forums changed Jo's writing plan? [15:54] <Rudius> after so many years of hate, i doubt he would have improved [15:54] <Aislinn> maybe a little, firstincantation [15:54] <Aislinn> but not the essentials [15:55] <Aislinn> this one stumps me [15:55] <Aislinn> I can't imagine what he would have done with the wand [15:55] <fawkes28> i cant imagine peter going to the potter's house to retrieve it after what happened there [15:55] <fantasyweaver> the book all felt to me like it had been planned for years. wher did she switch directions [15:55] <Rudius> well it seems by her answer that peter took it with him to albania [15:55] <Aislinn> Jo said he carried it off [15:55] *** etnutter has joined #lounge [15:55] <Aislinn> but he didn't rejoin LV until PoA [15:55] <Aislinn> that was years and years later [15:56] <etnutter> Goodafternoon Aislinn and y'all [15:56] <Aislinn> we're talking about what Peter did with Voldy's wand after he retrieved it, etnutter [15:56] <fawkes28> i would imagine he had to gather the wand pretty quickly though because Dd would most likely go searching [15:56] <Rudius> so im thinking peter went to godric's hollow on the day voldemort was defeated and took the wand and hid it then as insurance [15:56] <fantasyweaver> he probably stored the wand in the room of requirement [15:56] <Aislinn> yes, and anyone else could have found it, fawkes [15:56] <etnutter> Could have been in his pocket while he was converted to peter rat? [15:56] <HeliumHead> um, what happens to an animagus' possesions when they transform? [15:56] <firstincantation> When they transform back to humans they are fully dressed and perhaps with wands [15:56] <fawkes28> maybe the rat dug it in a hole [15:56] <Aislinn> yes, I think so too, rudius - I just wonder where [15:56] *** Theoriser has joined #lounge [15:57] <fantasyweaver> where do wands go when people convert [15:57] <Aislinn> hey theoriser smile [15:57] <Theoriser> hi smile [15:57] <etnutter> in Percy's old lunchbox [15:57] <fawkes28> he could have kept it at the wealsey's but with all those kids running around - it is likely that someone would have found it [15:57] <Aislinn> its a great question - animagi must have their wands on them when they transform, so what happens to them? [15:57] <fantasyweaver> do you really ned a wand to switch forms, sirius could not have had a wand in askaban [15:57] <etnutter> not in Percy's room [15:58] <fantasyweaver> the clutter of ron's room maybe [15:58] <Aislinn> oh, good point fantasyweaver [15:58] <Rudius> i think McGonnagalls answer to the Ravenclaw Riddle answers where the wand was stored [15:58] <etnutter> in the goul's ... [15:58] <Aislinn> he had to transform without a wand [15:58] <fawkes28> this question really makes you think [15:58] <Aislinn> I don't remember her answer, rudius [15:58] <fawkes28> and you cant get caught up with how it is in the movies [15:59] <etnutter> everywhere...was the answer [15:59] <Rudius> he probably had it "on" him all the time [15:59] <Aislinn> everywhere! [15:59] <fantasyweaver> her answer was in to nonbeing which is everythign [15:59] <Rudius> ok let me go get my copy quick... [15:59] <Aislinn> ah yes [15:59] <HeliumHead> agreed rudius [15:59] <fawkes28> A question was asked about whether Voldemort being conceived under a love potion led to his inability to understand love. Jo answered that it was symbolic of the loveless union and that he might have been different if Merope had lived. What do you think of this notion regarding the love potion? [16:00] <etnutter> It was not about the love potion but about the circumstances ..... [16:00] <fawkes28> i never really thought the love potion had much to do with it [16:00] <fawkes28> exactly, etnutter [16:00] <Aislinn> I had not thought of it in the way the questioner had, but it makes a lot of sense [16:00] <fantasyweaver> oh that makes more sense [16:00] <firstincantation> She may not have wanted Tom to suffer from love as she did [16:00] <fawkes28> i think the key is IF Merope Gaunt had lived [16:00] <etnutter> You "could" have a case where a love potion is used but when it wears off the lovers actually are in love....in spite of the potion... [16:00] <fantasyweaver> if his mother had been around to love him, he may have been different [16:01] <etnutter> so it is the circumstances....not the potion [16:01] *** ArtemisiaJolie has joined #lounge [16:01] <Rudius> "into non-being that is to say everything" [16:01] <Aislinn> but there are things that can affect normal development, if injested during pregnancy. It's sort of interesting to consider them affecting a person when conceiving [16:01] <fantasyweaver> I said that, rudi [16:01] <Aislinn> thanks rudius smile [16:01] *** ArtemisiaJolie has quit [Bye] [16:01] <Rudius> :P [16:01] <fantasyweaver> yes but if, it's the father taking the potion? [16:02] <etnutter> hmmmmm.....it get the idea that JKR meant it was the choices, not the potion that made LV himself... [16:02] <fawkes28> i am sure that it did not make the situation any better [16:02] <Rudius> i think the potion had nothing to do with it really, this was merely symbolic [16:02] <Aislinn> that does seem to be what Jo is saying [16:02] <Aislinn> that it is the circumstances, not the potion [16:02] <fantasyweaver> genetics play a role, we can't forget that there were rotten people on both sides of lv's family tree [16:02] <etnutter> She chould have conceived LV without a love potion......say- with a polyjuice potion.....and the same life of LV would have been so. [16:03] <fantasyweaver> polyjuice? how on earth would that work? [16:03] <etnutter> Fantasyweaver genetics? I do not think so. [16:03] <firstincantation> dont ask [16:03] <Rudius> one is not good or evil becous your parents did or did not love each other - the fact that Riddle had no love from his mother merely meant that he had no anchor [16:03] <fawkes28> we cant blame it just on the potion - imagine how many voldemort's would be running around [16:03] <fawkes28> When asked why Snape was so poorly groomed, Jo replied that he probably valued other qualities in himself. What do you think those qualities were? [16:03] <Rudius> and no point of departure in dealing with others as fellow human beings [16:04] <fantasyweaver> scary thought fawkes, perhaps umbridge was another love potion baby [16:04] <etnutter> She could have changed to look like Riddle's girlfriend and pretended to be so until long after the marriage [16:04] <HeliumHead> logic, magical abilities, creativity [16:04] <Aislinn> yes, HeliumHead [16:04] <fantasyweaver> talent, and loyalty [16:04] <etnutter> his ability to keep cool under pressure [16:04] <cbm> I think he considered himself a true slytherin, and his values stayed the same his entire life, those same qualities cost him any chance at lily [16:04] <Theoriser> probably he thought that intelligence was more important than appearances laugh [16:05] <Aislinn> he seems to value intelligence and skill quite highly [16:05] <Rudius> power and greatness [16:05] <HeliumHead> i think that had he been less interested in the dark arts he would have been Ravenclaw [16:05] <etnutter> his ability to handle hot hot hot dark objects ..... like a nuke physicist stays cool while handling fisable material.... [16:05] <fawkes28> he seemed not to put much faith himself - his focus was on power and how to achieve it [16:05] <Aislinn> I think he put a lot of faith in certain aspects of himself, fawkes [16:05] <fantasyweaver> no he loved doing things by method [16:06] *** Questauthor has joined #lounge [16:06] <Aislinn> his ability to shut down his thoughts, his ability to react to situations in a skilled manner [16:06] <Rudius> but then again, not only by method [16:06] <etnutter> Personal appearance was immaterial to him.... [16:06] <Rudius> he liked to improve on the method too [16:06] <Aislinn> hey Questauthor - we're talking about Jo's answer that Snape valued other qualities in himself than good grooming [16:06] <HeliumHead> no he was highly creative [16:06] <Questauthor> Thanks Aislinn [16:06] <fantasyweaver> he didn't care what other thought of him and was proud of not caring [16:06] <fawkes28> right - that is more internal - i was thinking more of the external aspects [16:06] <firstincantation> Ability to shut down thoughts and emotions and love lead directly to his life as a secret agent [16:07] <Questauthor> Snape always measured himself against his own yardstick, not society's [16:07] <Aislinn> I think you're right, fantasyweaver [16:07] <fantasyweaver> and his value to the series [16:07] <Rudius> you will find that a certin personality type puts more emphasis on innner things than outer appearances [16:07] <fawkes28> yes, fantasyweaver - i think that is what i was trying to say laugh [16:07] <Aislinn> yes, INTJ's do that biggrin [16:07] <etnutter> he hated how james controlled his appearances [16:07] <fantasyweaver> IntJs? [16:07] <Rudius> its my excuse for not brushing my hair in the morning smile [16:07] <Aislinn> it is a temperament test [16:07] <Questauthor> He felt his appearance immaterial to his talent [16:07] <fawkes28> In the initial Today show interview, when asked whether Snape was always intended to be a hero, Jo's reaction was: "[sharp intake of breath] Is he a hero? You see I don't see him really as a hero...He's spiteful. He's a bully. All these things are still true of Snape, even at the end of this book. But, was he brave? Yes, immensely." [16:07] <etnutter> Anyone who was "into" appearances - he despised and always considered Harry as one who did so [16:07] <fantasyweaver> what are theu [16:07] <fawkes28> Yet, in the webchat, when asked if he is a hero, Jo replies "Yes, I do; though a very flawed hero. An anti-hero perhaps," and goes on to say that he'd loved and "ultimately laid down his life because of it. That's pretty heroic." Why the difference in description of this most complicated of all characters, and which of these views most closely resonates with your own? [16:07] <Aislinn> Introverted thinkers [16:08] <Questauthor> I think because we traditionally view heros as perfect, unflawed [16:08] <fawkes28> i agree more wuth the today show interview [16:08] <Rudius> I think what she was getting at is hes not the "Good guy" [16:08] <etnutter> Introverted Intuitive Thinker Judgers [16:08] <fantasyweaver> that wiew is societies fault [16:08] <Questauthor> I do too, Fwakes [16:08] <Aislinn> right etnutter [16:09] <etnutter> I have a blackbelt in type [16:09] <fawkes28> He was spiteful and a bully - rather than an anti-hero or flawed hero [16:09] <NYBookworm> I think becasue she heard and saw comments that were different from her interpretation after the first interview and therfore clarified for the 2nd [16:09] <Aislinn> ooh, we'll have to talk! [16:09] <JaneMarple9> i am still confused about snape [16:09] <Questauthor> He did the right thing for all the wrong reasons; or all the wrong things for all the right reasons [16:09] <Questauthor> He doesn't fit into the traditional roles very easily, does he? [16:09] <Aislinn> do you think it was a reaction to the fan's reaction, NYB? [16:09] <NYBookworm> yes [16:09] <JaneMarple9> although i understood why he was so bitter and twisted now [16:09] <fantasyweaver> I can accept that he was in a tricky positon. [16:09] <fawkes28> no, he doesn't Questauthor [16:09] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [16:09] <Aislinn> right, Questauthor, that is why he is so fascinating to so many [16:10] <fawkes28> we still argue about his motives [16:10] <JaneMarple9> don't hate him as much as i did through the six previous books [16:10] <Questauthor> I would love to see a psychologist try and do a paper on Snape [16:10] <fawkes28> the author does seem to contradict herself with him - which makes his character even more fun to argue [16:10] <fantasyweaver> if he had been nice, other deatheater may hacve suspected him more then they did [16:10] <Questauthor> I still dislike him; I just know now that he's the kind of guy you usually find in a sex offender registry for stalking [16:10] <Aislinn> exactly, Questauthor ! [16:11] <Theoriser> yes, he isn't exactly a stereotypical hero, but his actions were heroic [16:11] <Aislinn> that's why I have a hard time seeing him as a fully redeemed soul [16:11] <Rudius> I think in the first instance she was essentially saying that Snape is not a classic literary hero, in that he does bad things, which the archetype does not. This answer was to a broad audience [16:11] <JaneMarple9> thats a little harsh! [16:11] <fawkes28> me too [16:11] <Theoriser> that's my interpretation of what she meant [16:11] <NYBookworm> I think he was heroic in the sense that he was brave and willing to die for what he felt was right, but not so in dealing with his own feelings, and a classic hero is able to rectify those as well [16:11] <Questauthor> I also think he saw himself as ulitmately doomed from the second Lily died. So what people thought of him, or what he had to do to make DD's vision come true... didn't matter [16:11] *** bubblehead has joined #lounge [16:11] <Aislinn> yes, he was in a complete self-destruct mode after Lily's death. [16:11] <JaneMarple9> i don't think we'll ever understand severus smile [16:11] <fantasyweaver> flawed, but still brave [16:11] <fawkes28> he may have been brave at times but that doesnt necessarily make him a hero [16:11] <cbm> very flawed [16:12] <Aislinn> I think it's easier to be brave if you don't care if you live or die. [16:12] <Rudius> her second answer was to dedicated fans who understnad the dynamic, and she says that his actions are heroic and hes more the anti hero knowing we understand him better [16:12] <fantasyweaver> i don't disagree [16:12] <Questauthor> I didn't see him as being willing to die for what he thought was right... more he was doomed to die for what he'd done so he had to do all he could to right that wrong [16:12] <fawkes28> he was backpeddling once he realized he screwed up and Lily was at risk [16:12] <ProngsPatronus> I see him as essentially selfish [16:12] *** etnutter_ has joined #lounge [16:12] <Questauthor> Oh def, Aislinn [16:12] <Questauthor> I do too, Prongs [16:12] <HeliumHead> yes prongs [16:12] <etnutter_> I lost connection for a minute or two... [16:12] <fantasyweaver> selfish, and bitter [16:12] <fawkes28> Jo confirmed that Lily had feelings for Snape, and might have even grown to love him romantically if he had not loved Dark Magic so much. Do you think that Severus knew this? Why do you think he chose to continue with the Dark Arts, given his desire for Lily? [16:12] <Questauthor> He had to make HIMSELF feel right [16:12] <bubblehead> very selfish [16:12] <Aislinn> he was acting out of completely selfish motivations [16:12] <ProngsPatronus> I think he hoped... [16:12] *** etnutter has quit [Bye] [16:13] <ProngsPatronus> as young men will do [16:13] <JaneMarple9> he was very selfish [16:13] <fantasyweaver> He wasn't willing to change his nature [16:13] <fawkes28> He couldn't get away from his obsession with the Dark Arts - he ate him alive [16:13] <Rudius> because he was human and did not know exactly how lily felt [16:13] <Questauthor> I think Snape had difficulty overcoming his need to be superior; I think part of him felt if he were master of magic, Lily would see his brilliance [16:13] <etnutter_> The love thing came at him from is shadow side.....he hadn't a clue how to fit the two together until it was too late.... [16:13] <JaneMarple9> he was being ambitious - very much like percy [16:13] <Questauthor> I don't think he had a clue how to "love" someone properly [16:13] <fantasyweaver> like percy, that actually fits [16:13] <firstincantation> IHe was intellectually interested in the dark arts...different from love... [16:13] <cbm> I do not think he realized until his worst memory what he had done by following his dark path [16:13] <JaneMarple9> i am sure he always regretted losing lily [16:13] <Rudius> he didnt have a all seeing view like we do and he may have beieved that once he made a success of himself he would be worthy of her [16:13] <Aislinn> yes, Questauthor - he couldn't look past his own values to see that Lily did not at all share them [16:13] <Questauthor> Prolly didn't have any good role models, given what we saw in Snape's worst memory [16:14] <NYBookworm> I think he may have realized that she might have feelings for him, but I'm sure he didn't realize how much Dark Arts stood in that way, or he would've at least tried to cahgne that [16:14] <JaneMarple9> yeah - not a happy family upbringing [16:14] <ProngsPatronus> I also think, because we know that she was the most brilliant witch of her age, that he might have thought he had found a suitable---equal [16:14] <etnutter_> He dealt with Principles....not values.....he was totally out of touch with his heart. [16:14] <Aislinn> even though she tried to tell him she didn't [16:14] <JaneMarple9> very much like harry really [16:14] <Theoriser> I agree nybookworm [16:14] <fawkes28> i think if he truly loved her, then he would have been able to choosen Lily over the Dark Arts [16:14] <Theoriser> he didn't realise that his beloved dark arts were what drove lily away [16:15] <fawkes28> but he realized too late [16:15] <JaneMarple9> i think that the series could have been so different if he had given up the dark arts [16:15] <Questauthor> Again, I don't think Snape had a clue how to express or handle love [16:15] <Aislinn> I think he would have looked a bit outside of himself, to really SEE her and know what was important to her, but he couldn't [16:15] <bubblehead> It's complicated because there's a whole spectrum of human emotion to take into account [16:15] <fantasyweaver> I think he was in over his head before he realized it [16:15] <fawkes28> he had about 5 or 6 years before she died to change his mind [16:15] <Rudius> i think that at the point where he 'lost' her, if she had given him a second chance he may have not gone down the path he did [16:15] <Questauthor> yes, bubble [16:15] <etnutter_> It was too late.....he may have chosen her over MacNair, but he had already called her a mudblood....his stripes were shown and it was a done deal....no turning back.. [16:15] <ProngsPatronus> I think that, if he had truly loved her, the Dark Arts would not have held such an attraction to him [16:15] *** huebbe has joined #lounge [16:15] <firstincantation> I do not agree fawkes28, some choose as did he a professorial path...he followed the dark arts to becoming a teacher...so did others why should he have to choose? [16:15] <fawkes28> Lily was reaching out her hand to him, and he didn't take it [16:15] <JaneMarple9> yeah snape didn'y know how to love properly [16:15] <Aislinn> I think he could still have turned back, etnutter_ [16:15] <Aislinn> Lily would have reconsidered if she had seen a change in him [16:15] <JaneMarple9> he only cared for the Dark Arts [16:15] <fawkes28> to become a teacher? I doubt that was his goal, firstincantation [16:15] <Questauthor> I think part of him felt betrayed that she didn't "understand" the dark arts [16:15] <etnutter_> He was not into power after that...just illumination regarding teh dark arts..... [16:16] <Aislinn> but he used her rejection as a final excuse to turn to the dark side fully [16:16] <fawkes28> he wanted to be a DE [16:16] <fantasyweaver> yes, but if he canged his mind he was stuck in the death eater circles [16:16] <fantasyweaver> probably addicted to power [16:16] <cbm> He called people mudbloods, he was bad and purposefully chose the path to a DE [16:16] <ProngsPatronus> that is a consequence [16:16] <etnutter_> Dark arts were a pure field of study in his eyes after that.....not Power and those brave enough to wield it....like Quirrell [16:16] <fantasyweaver> of waht? [16:16] <fawkes28> Lily was more than patience with him and gave him many chances [16:16] <JaneMarple9> i am sure he regretted calling lily mudblood [16:16] <firstincantation> Cannot tell at that age, what your chosen profess will be but look at his contributions to the potions book...extraordinary...cleary indicative [16:16] <fantasyweaver> those who study dorkarts can know the remedies [16:17] <HeliumHead> agreed fawkes [16:17] <Questauthor> I think it was more knowledge for knowledge's sake... to be better than everyond around hiim [16:17] <JaneMarple9> he forgot what he was saying, with james and sirius tormenting him [16:17] <fawkes28> she stuck by him for years even though he still remained friends with certain people [16:17] <ProngsPatronus> I don't agree, Jane [16:17] <Questauthor> Reacted from his "heart"... and what came out was very telling [16:17] <cbm> but he called other people mudblood, so it is not a one time thing [16:17] <ProngsPatronus> I think that is what he truly felt at the time [16:17] <Questauthor> and dang it why can't I change my font color anymore!!! [16:17] <firstincantation> he could have recieved reward asideform the public show of ego...he may have just liked learning [16:17] <Aislinn> are you in the new or old interface, Questauthor ? [16:17] <etnutter_> I think Lily was very good at assessing what was in people's hearts... [16:18] <Questauthor> New, Aislinn [16:18] <Aislinn> it only works in the old one [16:18] <Questauthor> ah [16:18] <Questauthor> that'll do 'er [16:18] <Aislinn> I think you're right, etnutter_ [16:18] *** huebbe has quit [Bye] [16:18] *** huebbe has joined #lounge [16:18] <fawkes28> if he has just liked learning, firstincantation - then why did he join the death eaters? [16:18] <etnutter_> It is just as well, I can barely read fawkes28....light light blue... [16:18] <Aislinn> and she was right that what he said was truly what he believed about people "of her kinid" [16:18] <ProngsPatronus> thing is, you can't really change anyone--they have to be the ones to change [16:18] <firstincantation> that was a political statement of a child. [16:18] <Aislinn> he was just in denial to himself that she was one of those people [16:18] <Questauthor> I don't think Snape wanted to change [16:18] <Questauthor> But he did want Lily to conform to his way of thinking [16:19] <ProngsPatronus> I don't, either, Questauthor [16:19] <Aislinn> yes he did [16:19] <Questauthor> He was "its my way or the highway" kind of thinker [16:19] <Aislinn> which is an incredibly selfish form of love [16:19] <fantasyweaver> that was what ruined him. wanting her to change [16:19] <Questauthor> Oh def. Most selfish [16:19] <Questauthor> He didn't understant the fundamental part of loving another human... you CAN'T change them [16:19] *** bubblehead has quit [Bye] [16:19] *** bubblehead has joined #lounge [16:19] <firstincantation> Aislinn, how do you know he wanted her to change? [16:20] <Rudius> well he was 16 at the time [16:20] <cbm> I think both people have to change to make a relationship work [16:20] <ProngsPatronus> but it has to come from them [16:20] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [16:20] <fantasyweaver> they just don't know they are changing [16:20] <cbm> He wanted her in slytherin when they were 11 [16:20] <huebbe> at least both have to want the same things in and out of life [16:20] <Questauthor> Disagree, CBM. Maybe make some concessions but not fundamentally change [16:20] <etnutter_> Funny....but in a way - Snape's hangups about mudbloods is similar to DD's hangup about the greatest good.....DD never joined the ministry and snape never taught dark arts....well...sort of ....that stint in year 6 was a set up regarding teh curse....no? [16:20] <Aislinn> exactly Questauthor [16:20] <bubblehead> Snape didn't understand how to make a relationship work and so he expected the wrong things from Lily [16:20] <Aislinn> he wanted her to accept his values, since he was unwilling to change them [16:20] <fantasyweaver> good point enutter [16:21] <cbm> consessions to me represent change, it you are making consessions you are changing [16:21] <Questauthor> i could never FORCE my husband to read Harry Potter; and yet being on staff at TLC is very important to my life [16:21] <huebbe> it's not like Snape had good role models to follow [16:21] <cbm> so we are close [16:21] <fawkes28> that is interesting, etnutter - except Dd was able to stop himself and Snape wasn't [16:21] <etnutter_> I bet he didn't have a clue what to expect.....he was reacting off of a side of himself he didn't understand at all. [16:21] <fantasyweaver> snape had dumbledore [16:21] <Questauthor> I think that lack of role model was fundamental to his failures at relationships [16:21] <Aislinn> I'm sure that played into it [16:21] <huebbe> agreed [16:21] <Questauthor> any kind of relationship, really. He treated everyone with derision... that's what he'd been taught [16:21] <Expelliarmas> Harry didn't have good role models either when he was growing up, but he was essentially a good person [16:21] <fantasyweaver> he did come form an abusive home [16:21] <bubblehead> choices [16:21] <huebbe> true, but he did have good friends at the age of 11 [16:21] <Questauthor> Good point, Expie [16:21] <fantasyweaver> both of them' [16:22] <Questauthor> I got nopthing on that one! [16:22] <firstincantation> BothSS and DD stopped themselves...both had flirted with the dark arts and muggle hatred for no more tna 2-3 years [16:22] <fawkes28> The doe that we see as Snape's Patronus was Lily's before him, and the reason Lily had this one was given as: "the Patronus often mutates to take the image of the love of one's life (because they so often become the 'happy thought' that generates a Patronus)." Did you know that the doe was Lily's Patronus, and does the explanation of this have any significance to Snape's Patronus form? [16:22] <fantasyweaver> no snape did for abouth 7 years by my count [16:22] <bubblehead> The point to that was to show the similarities between snape and harry but how their choices change dtheir lives so much [16:22] <Questauthor> I suspected but had no clue where it came from! [16:22] <huebbe> I had a pretty good idea [16:22] <etnutter_> I suspect that Lily's patronus turned into a doe as she fell in love with james... [16:22] <huebbe> but didn't know who sent it [16:22] <Expelliarmas> We were given a big hint when we saw Tonks' patronus [16:22] <firstincantation> Snape worked for DD from age 2o or 21 [16:22] <fantasyweaver> No, but as a stag is adoes mate i should have [16:22] <Questauthor> I kept saying "who would have that patronus? It's not lily, she's dead" [16:23] <fawkes28> yes, i think so too, etnutter [16:23] <Aislinn> I thought it was so ironic that his Patronus is the form it is because the woman it represents loves another. [16:23] <JaneMarple9> this was the most jaw dropping moment for me [16:23] <Questauthor> Ah, yes, irony, Aislinn [16:23] <cbm> I knew when I saw it, it was snape [16:23] <Questauthor> I still hadn't made that leap, cbm! [16:23] <etnutter_> I was not even sure it was a patronus....though all description implied so... [16:23] <Aislinn> yes, etnutter_ , that is what Jo is saying essentially [16:23] <Expelliarmas> It gives Snape's snide remark to Tonks' in HBP a whole new meaning [16:23] <JaneMarple9> when you think of it - james = stag lily had to be a doe [16:23] <fantasyweaver> I thought it was lily's ghost form [16:23] <fawkes28> in his twisted world, he probably thinks that she would love him for all that he did after she died eyebrow [16:23] <Rudius> beyond that by being a doe it also refers to James and Lily being married [16:24] <JaneMarple9> and when i saw the doe i knew it had to be connected with lily [16:24] <NYBookworm> I thought it was lily becasue it fit with james, the it took me a few mintues to figure out who was still alive who could conjure it and then I had a big smile b/c to me it already proved snape's loyalties [16:24] <ProngsPatronus> I am not so sure that it was her Patronus [16:24] <fantasyweaver> yep, though i never figured out exactly what a stag is til, then [16:24] <JaneMarple9> i also thought it might be lily as a ghost [16:24] <etnutter_> By keeping the doe as his patronus, Snape shows taht he accepted Lily for who she chose to be...? [16:24] <Aislinn> Jo indicated that it was, in the webchat, Prongs [16:24] <fantasyweaver> it may represent lily herself [16:24] <Rudius> that's an conclusion I had not reached yet [16:24] <etnutter_> It was not a jaded or fantasized lily, but LILY [16:24] <Expelliarmas> no, I don't think so etnutter [16:24] <Questauthor> It's sad, in a warped way [16:24] <JaneMarple9> but i was totally thrown by snape's patronus [16:25] <ProngsPatronus> did he start out with that Patronus, then? [16:25] <fantasyweaver> fantasized lily def [16:25] <Theoriser> me too jane [16:25] <cbm> I doubt it [16:25] <fantasyweaver> i think he may have' [16:25] <Questauthor> I don't think he did... [16:25] <Questauthor> It may have changed once she died [16:25] <fantasyweaver> it depends on how old he was when he learned [16:25] <JaneMarple9> when we got to the princes tale i was totally amazed [16:25] <Questauthor> but that's just speculation! [16:25] <bubblehead> I'm surprised Snape can even produce a Patronus. what's his happy thought? [16:25] <etnutter_> IF it was fantasized Lily, it would not have had any "james" in it.....he loved lily even after she cholse james.... [16:25] <cbm> unless lily started with that form [16:25] <Expelliarmas> had he accepted all that Lily stood for, he would have been more accepting of her son [16:25] <Aislinn> I agree, that it probably changed [16:25] <Questauthor> II was just typing that bubble! [16:26] <JaneMarple9> probably thinking when he first met lily [16:26] <Aislinn> I think it is not so much a happy thought, as a thought of love [16:26] <fantasyweaver> oh I have no doubt that lily started with that form [16:26] <etnutter_> I find it unlikely that LIly was alwasy a doe.... [16:26] <cbm> exp, he loathed Harry because he represented everything he could not have [16:26] <JaneMarple9> at the playground - he thought lily was beautiful [16:26] <Aislinn> Harry's best Patronus is always when he is thinking of someone he loves [16:26] <fantasyweaver> white does in fairy tales are symbolic af trapped women [16:26] <Expelliarmas> cbm, he loathed Harry because he saw James more than Lily in Harry. You have to wonder what would have happened had Harry been a girl who looked like her mother. [16:26] <etnutter_> or rather trapped woman tend to end up does? [16:27] *** Rudius requested CTCP cocks from #lounge: an eyebrow [16:27] <fantasyweaver> he would have thought she was trapped in gryffindor [16:27] <Questauthor> oooo good point, Expie [16:27] <cbm> she would have been james daughter, I think he still would have loathed her [16:27] <Rudius> aaaahhhh [16:27] *** Seeker97 has joined #lounge [16:28] <Rudius> no, i think he would have been unable to hate her [16:28] <fantasyweaver> a union of lily and James, probably what snapes boggart would become [16:28] <Expelliarmas> I don't know about that, cbm, Snape. [16:28] <Aislinn> It probably would have been harder to hate her as a girl [16:28] <Rudius> he may have been a better teacher to Harrietta [16:28] <Aislinn> especially if she looked like Lily [16:28] <Questauthor> Lily with hate on her face is prolly his boggart! [16:28] <ProngsPatronus> that never stopped Snape from hating hermione [16:28] <Expelliarmas> saw James when he saw harry; it was always the point that harry was the spitting image of james. [16:28] <cbm> I think Snape a lot of hate [16:28] <cbm> had a lot of hate [16:28] <fantasyweaver> except with lily's eeys [16:28] <Aislinn> yes, he saw James because Harry was the spitting image of James [16:28] <HeliumHead> but hermione didn't look like lily [16:29] <fantasyweaver> ginny did [16:29] <etnutter_> mini-lily iwth James eyes? [16:29] <Expelliarmas> no, hermione looked nothing like lily [16:29] <Rudius> and she always stole his thunder [16:29] <Questauthor> I think Snape resented anyone who wasn't lily [16:29] <fawkes28> We learn that Fawkes did not come back to help Harry because something had to leave the school for good when Dumbledore died, and the phoenix represented that loss. Did any of you think we would see Fawkes again? [16:29] *** Seeker97 has quit [Bye] [16:29] <Expelliarmas> I think Snape's boggart would be a dead lily [16:29] <Questauthor> I did [16:29] <fawkes28> i did! i did! [16:29] <bubblehead> I did [16:29] <Rudius> i did [16:29] <fawkes28> i was soooo upset too [16:29] <Questauthor> I was kinda upset we didn't see the phoenix again [16:29] <etnutter_> Yes....I thought Harry would get another "pet"......is this Kreacher? [16:29] <HeliumHead> i hadn't thought about it [16:29] <Aislinn> I was sure we would see Fawkes again [16:29] <cbm> I thought not, in the book after the lament, it said he was gone for good [16:30] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Kreacher as a sentient being would be much of a pet [16:30] <fantasyweaver> no, harry knew at dumbledore funeral that he would never see fawkes again [16:30] <Aislinn> I think it was Buckbeak, etnutter_ [16:30] <Theoriser> I thought we'd definitely see fawkes again [16:30] <Rudius> lol youre just *slightly* biased, Fawkes28 [16:30] <JaneMarple9> i thought fawkes too! [16:30] <ProngsPatronus> I thought fawkes might have come to Harry [16:30] <fawkes28> I am and am proud of it too harhar [16:30] <etnutter_> But Didn't JKR say harry woudl get a new pet? [16:30] <Questauthor> I thought Fwakes would come back during the last battle [16:30] <fantasyweaver> kreacher a pet? don't let hermione hear [16:30] <firstincantation> No I didn' expect to see fawkes [16:30] <Aislinn> she said that before HBP [16:30] <Aislinn> I think it was Buckbeak [16:30] <fawkes28> Well, he was still with Harry in spirit [16:30] <JaneMarple9> but of course harry "inherited" buckbeak in book 6, although hagrid was taking caring of him [16:31] <Questauthor> but but but...oh well. Can't have everything, eh, Fwakes? [16:31] *** lunasceiling has joined #lounge [16:31] <etnutter_> Didn't JKR say in an interview that harry would be getting a new Pet? did this happen ....is it Kreacher? [16:31] <Expelliarmas> i would have loved for fawkes to bring his phoenix song back to mourn the dead; but since we don't really mourn the dead in DH ... [16:31] <JaneMarple9> kreacher is not a pet i don't think [16:31] <Rudius> well the "GOne for good" in HBP should have been a clue, but we ignored it [16:31] <Aislinn> but I really thought that fawkes would come to Harry's aid at some critical point in the story [16:31] <Questauthor> Kreacher can't be a pet [16:31] <fawkes28> i didnt think fawkes would become his but i thought he would be back to save the day [16:31] <Questauthor> he's a slave [16:31] <bubblehead> I wonder where exactly Fawkes went.... [16:31] <fantasyweaver> we mourn dobby in dh [16:31] <Aislinn> that would have been a wonderful way to mourn, expie [16:31] <fawkes28> no, we can't Questauthor - just like in other books i know laugh [16:31] <Aislinn> it's too bad we didn't get to, aside from dobby [16:31] <Rudius> back to the himalayas to make more phoenixes smile [16:32] <fantasyweaver> I LOVED dOBBY [16:32] <fawkes28> I did read in a book somewhere that only one phoenix can live at a time [16:32] <etnutter_> Fawkes was the spirit fo the series..... [16:32] <fawkes28> One questioner wondered, "If Moody got a magic eye, and Wormtail got a magic hand, couldn't there be some way to form a magical ear, if only to cover up the hole and makeGeorge look more symmetrical?" Rowling replied, "Yes, he could wear a false ear (I'm starting to giggle at the thought. Perhaps he's better off with the hole!)" Would you giggle too? [16:32] <Questauthor> I just wish his song would have broken over Hogwarts at the end of the battle [16:33] <Rudius> yes that is one idea from ancient mythology [16:33] <Questauthor> Yuck [16:33] <Questauthor> Wear that hole in yer head proudly George! [16:33] <fantasyweaver> be holey [16:33] <Questauthor> Saint like [16:33] <ProngsPatronus> well, he could complain about having a tin ear... [16:33] <fawkes28> oh, i am sure a false ear would have caused them all even more amusement [16:33] <etnutter_> catapult extendible ear launcher..... [16:33] <Expelliarmas> If anyone could develop a false ear, it'd be George, seeing as the twins came up with extendable ears [16:33] <Rudius> but the way Ollivander says "This particular phoenix gave only 2 feathers" and the nesting habits of Phoenixes in Magical Beasts implies there are more [16:33] <bubblehead> just attach an extendable ear. [16:33] <Questauthor> George is the kind of lad who would not think having one ear is a detriment [16:34] <fantasyweaver> besides george has more(extendible) ears then he can count [16:34] <fawkes28> true, Rudius [16:34] <etnutter_> Could the deathstick have conjured a good one? [16:34] <fantasyweaver> but how did it, affect his hearing? [16:34] <etnutter_> IN one of the books = way back, one of the twins says....I need.....like a need a hole in the head....I have to look and see if it was George. [16:34] <Aislinn> I think you're right, Questauthor - he would probably just joke about it [16:35] <fantasyweaver> like he did [16:35] <Rudius> he would have lost some directional hearing, but the hearing loss would be minmal [16:35] <Aislinn> hearing is mostly an internal process, fantasyweaver [16:35] <Aislinn> a little bit- yeah, what rudius said [16:35] <fantasyweaver> my bad, i hate science class [16:35] <Questauthor> He might have difficulty telling where the sound came from, but he should still be able to hear [16:35] <ProngsPatronus> the outer ear collects the sound [16:35] <Questauthor> woops, rudius beat me to it [16:35] <fawkes28> i am glad that she didnt allow him to get one because it shows just how tough war can be - it does leave lasting impacts and reminders [16:35] <ProngsPatronus> the inner ear records the sound [16:35] <etnutter_> How about a built in horn....nice brass one.. [16:35] <Rudius> spped typing FTW [16:35] <ProngsPatronus> he could still have heard, but not as well [16:35] <Questauthor> I can see him getting an old ear trumpet for family gatherings [16:36] <fantasyweaver> that would fit his sense of humor [16:36] <Rudius> spelling mistakes FTL [16:36] <Questauthor> and making a right old joke out of it [16:36] <fawkes28> Jo says that out is she had the chance to use one of the 3 Hallows, it would be the ring. Which Hallow would you choose, if you had a choice? [16:36] <etnutter_> the cloak [16:36] <Expelliarmas> the cloak [16:36] <cbm> I would choose the rind also [16:36] <Questauthor> the cloak [16:36] <Expelliarmas> very handy thing, the cloak [16:36] <cbm> ring [16:36] <bubblehead> ring [16:36] <Aislinn> yes, it would be the cloak for me too [16:36] <fawkes28> definitely the cloak [16:36] <ProngsPatronus> the Cloak [16:36] <Theoriser> the cloak [16:36] <Questauthor> Seems like a ringing endorsement for the cloak! [16:36] <etnutter_> The ring would drive you mad...... [16:36] <Rudius> none of them [16:36] <firstincantation> the wand [16:36] <Expelliarmas> the ring and wand would scare the hell out of me [16:36] <Aislinn> lol - we're a bit like the trio here! [16:36] <HeliumHead> cloak [16:36] <ProngsPatronus> there is no one I would like to revisit [16:37] <fantasyweaver> i don't know enough about the wand [16:37] <fawkes28> not that i have loads of adventures to go on like Harry, but the cloak could be so much fun [16:37] <bubblehead> "you're supposed to choose the cloak!" [16:37] <Aislinn> nobody wants the wand though [16:37] <HeliumHead> agreed expell [16:37] <JaneMarple9> *gulp*.... the resurrection stone [16:37] <firstincantation> speak softley but carry a big... [16:37] <ProngsPatronus> and ultimate offensive power is only good in games [16:37] <NYBookworm> the cloak (for those times I wish I were invisible from embarassment or as a safety device in times of danger) [16:37] <fantasyweaver> I said I don't know enough about the wand [16:37] <fawkes28> power only leads to no good [16:37] <Questauthor> The wand scares me [16:37] <etnutter_> The wand would explode in your hands......I drive a subaru.....it would be like climbing into a jet......the cloak is the only sensible thing... [16:37] <ProngsPatronus> I am not afraid of power [16:37] <cbm> Even though I would want the ring, I would probably be done with it in a few hours [16:37] <fantasyweaver> the cloak is the only one theat doesn't get you killed [16:37] <etnutter_> then you are a fool [16:37] <firstincantation> it'd be cool to fly [16:37] <ProngsPatronus> it is just that power excies envy in others [16:38] <Questauthor> power is dangerous [16:38] <ProngsPatronus> having the wand means that people would always be after you for it [16:38] <fantasyweaver> true other wands work [16:38] <HeliumHead> no, prongs, it is what people do with power [16:38] <JaneMarple9> i'd like to see people who'd gone before. yes, they're not real, they're only spirits. I know that. Doesn't stop me wanting it though [16:38] <etnutter_> power scares the daylights out of me...... [16:38] <firstincantation> what and invisibility isn't dangerous [16:38] <Expelliarmas> of course, if fawkes28 had the wand, she'd break it within 5 hours [16:38] <Rudius> lol [16:38] <cbm> lol [16:38] <ProngsPatronus> LOLOL [16:38] <Questauthor> hahahahahahahahaha [16:38] <etnutter_> invisiblitly is a choice between dangers [16:38] <Aislinn> hahahahahaha [16:38] <Questauthor> poor fwakes [16:38] <fawkes28> i did have a wand and it still has not broken harhar [16:38] <Aislinn> yes, we've seen that problem biggrin [16:39] <JaneMarple9> i wouldn't want the wand at all. far too dangeous [16:39] <Aislinn> erm, 'scuse me? who fixed it? [16:39] <bubblehead> if you had the ring those spirits could tell you what happens after you die. [16:39] <fawkes28> expie thinks she is a funny one [16:39] <fawkes28> you didnt fix it [16:39] <etnutter_> The ring is madness.... the wand too dangerous.....the cloak is intriguing [16:39] <Questauthor> she speaketh the truth, and you know it, Fwakes [16:39] <fawkes28> ok moving on... [16:39] <Expelliarmas> oh? did you fix the light on your sad wand? [16:39] <fawkes28> Rowling has told us through Dumbledore that the real master of Death accepts that he must die, and that there are much worse things in the world of the living. JKR: "It is not about striving for immortality, but about accepting mortality." That's fine if you're 140 or more (think of Flamel!), but Harry was 17! Thoughts? [16:39] <fantasyweaver> we know what the cloak does [16:39] <cbm> why is the ring madness? [16:39] <Questauthor> A lot for a young kid to take in [16:40] <Questauthor> Most 17 year olds are convinced they are immortal [16:40] <fantasyweaver> better that the4n living foreve [16:40] <Aislinn> you are bringing back the dead who wish to remain dead, and seeking something that is best left to rest, cbm [16:40] <bubblehead> Harry couldn't really take it in [16:40] <Questauthor> Of course, Harry has spent 7 years learning just how fragile life is [16:40] <etnutter_> the sooner you get that lesson, the wiser you are....and the greater heightes you can attain in teh time you have left [16:40] <bubblehead> he just did what he had to do [16:40] <Rudius> well look at voldemort - what kind of life did he have trying to be immortal? [16:40] <firstincantation> DD? for the better good? [16:40] <Expelliarmas> I think Harry lived 140 years or more in his 17 years and was quite exhausted [16:40] <ProngsPatronus> I think it was more difficult for Harry because he had not got a chance to live as yet [16:40] <fantasyweaver> lv had no life\ [16:40] <fawkes28> Harry was much wiser than Dumbledore was at that age [16:40] <ProngsPatronus> yes [16:40] <Aislinn> yes he was [16:40] <fawkes28> he just wanted to have a normal life - that is all [16:40] <fantasyweaver> not smarter but wizer [16:41] <Rudius> Harry had already accepted his death many times before, and carried on doing what was right regardless [16:41] <etnutter_> 140 years in fear or 140 years illuminated........get the lesson and it makes for a better life regardless of duration. [16:41] <firstincantation> Wee, he definitely had better council [16:41] <fawkes28> he didnt need to live forever - he saw what happened when Voldemort tried too - never would he try it [16:41] <Aislinn> well said, etnutter_ [16:41] <Questauthor> I thought the most touching thing HArry said was that all he could see in his future was voldemort [16:41] <fantasyweaver> true death was an old aquintance of harry's [16:41] <Questauthor> If that is your sole future... death is a darn good possibilty [16:41] <Aislinn> that was heartbreaking, Questauthor [16:41] <Rudius> yep [16:42] <fantasyweaver> but harry, was fighting in a war, wariors die [16:42] *** lunasceiling has quit [Bye] [16:42] <etnutter_> so do non-coms [16:42] <ProngsPatronus> there is always collateral damage [16:42] <fawkes28> Regulus figured out of the existence of Horcruxes through Voldemort's "oblique hints." Why is it that he was the only one who did so? [16:42] <etnutter_> the innocent are the first [16:42] <Theoriser> harry would never have wanted to live forever, because of all the sad things that had happened to him in life [16:43] <bubblehead> he was the only one to look for a way to bring him down from the inside, I think. [16:43] <Rudius> yes but us non-coms blame the officers for being stupid [16:43] <Questauthor> I think he was already looking between the lines [16:43] <Questauthor> He seemed to have stopped hero worshipping when Kreacher came back [16:43] <Theoriser> he might not have been the only one among the death eaters, but he was the only one who wanted to destroy the horcruxes [16:43] <firstincantation> RAB may have been the only one who questioned LV's invincibility [16:43] <fawkes28> he is one of the very that truly regretted his decision to join [16:43] <fantasyweaver> I blame them for bad luck [16:43] <etnutter_> I wanted at least 100 pages more on teh whole regulus subplot....very unsatisfied here....left only to fill in the blanks.....grr [16:43] <HeliumHead> i don't think that he was the only one, just the only one who wanted out and knew where a horcrux was [16:44] <fantasyweaver> a hundred more paged would make the book to heavy [16:44] <Rudius> he had info the others didnt - Kreacher told him about the measures voldemort was taking with the locket [16:44] <ProngsPatronus> I still think that Regulus found out, somehow, about LV's duplicity [16:44] <fawkes28> and i guess he is actually a Slytherin who took the high road for once [16:44] <etnutter_> Like.....who he was.....and yet he cracked over his pet being abused....? [16:44] <fantasyweaver> kreacher is not a pet [16:44] <etnutter_> got cha! [16:44] <Questauthor> I think Kreacher's abuse was one of the final straws for Regulas [16:44] <fawkes28> i think you are right, questauthor [16:44] <Questauthor> He trusted Voldemort and Voldemort abused that trust [16:44] <fantasyweaver> but he could have figured out where it was form kreachers tale [16:44] <etnutter_> seemed like the only straw...he gave them kreacher for duty sake? [16:45] <Questauthor> (thanks, Fwakes!) [16:45] <Aislinn> I think that he had grave misgivings when he saw the lengths Voldemort was willing to go to [16:45] <bubblehead> regulus should talk to hermione about that sometime tongue [16:45] <Aislinn> and I agree that Kreacher's mistreatment pushed him over the edge [16:45] <firstincantation> Muggles are dying and he's upset over Kreacher/ [16:45] <fantasyweaver> he is dead and she is alive [16:45] <Aislinn> kreacher was a being whom he knew well, firstincantation [16:45] <Questauthor> I agree, Aislinn [16:45] <Questauthor> hit very close to home [16:45] <etnutter_> over kreacher, Aislinn? hmmmm...to me it needed 100 more pages to smooth that notion out... [16:45] <Questauthor> and perhaps more of his brother had rubbed off on him [16:46] <HeliumHead> what are muggles to someone who believes them to be inferior? [16:46] <Aislinn> kreacher is a creature with thoughts and feelings [16:46] <Aislinn> why is he of less value? [16:46] <Questauthor> I thought RABs room showed someone who was trying to overcompensate for some deep seated misgivings [16:46] <etnutter_> But that connection was not developed Questauthor [16:46] <fantasyweaver> the are bodies [16:46] <ProngsPatronus> Regulus didn't knowingly associate with Muggles--but Kreacher had been with him since birth [16:46] <bubblehead> I was thinking that maybe his obsession with Voldy hadn't been her-worship, maybe he was planning to try and vring him down from the moment he joined? unlikely but maybe... [16:46] <Rudius> i thinkthe Senior blacks would have been aghast at Kreachers treatment too [16:46] <ProngsPatronus> I can see why he would be upset about Kreacher [16:46] <Questauthor> I thought it was in the way the room was described, etnutter [16:46] <bubblehead> bring* [16:46] <Theoriser> exactly Aislinn. That was the whole point Hermione was trying to make [16:46] <Aislinn> right, theoriser, and Dumbledore as well. [16:46] <etnutter_> Rudius....they hang their heads on teh walll! [16:46] <fantasyweaver> it's the choice between people in a crowd and a close friend [16:46] <fawkes28> Regulus was very attached to Kreacher - it made him a better person - something that Voldemort could never understand [16:47] <Aislinn> Harry finally understaood it, and even Ron got it through his head, earning him a major snog! [16:47] <Aislinn> yes, fawkes [16:47] <etnutter_> There was no way for me to understand taht the blacks were fond of their elves....not even RAB [16:47] <fantasyweaver> I think harry alway thought of the houselves as sentient beings [16:47] <Rudius> yeah, but only when they were on deaths door - maybe it was euthinasia and a tribute to a good servant? [16:47] <Aislinn> and I think that Regulus was one of the main characters to pull the Slytherins back from being completely unredeemable [16:47] <ProngsPatronus> even bad people love pets--and, although Kreacher is not a pet, I can see why Regulus was upset [16:48] <Questauthor> I agree, Aislinn [16:48] <etnutter_> Given the outcome, I would have to agree with that Aislinn [16:48] <Aislinn> he did dobby, fantasyweaver , but not kreacher [16:48] <etnutter_> RAB and Slughorn.... [16:48] <Rudius> i agree with that [16:48] <Questauthor> But again, I think RAB was trying to overcompensate for Sirius' defection [16:48] <Aislinn> at least, not at first [16:48] <Theoriser> yes, I can understand why Regulus would be so upset about Kreacher, more than nameless and faceless muggles [16:48] <fantasyweaver> individulas [16:48] <Questauthor> Sluggy... he did come back, eh? [16:48] *** huebbe has quit [Bye] [16:48] <fantasyweaver> yes he came back [16:48] <Aislinn> he did [16:48] <bubblehead> also it was kind of an insult to the Blacks to make their servant deranged [16:48] <etnutter_> Possible, Questauthro, but a leap....i [16:48] <Questauthor> nopenot at all, not for me, anyway [16:49] <Questauthor> I could see it so clearly in the way it's written and described [16:49] <Questauthor> But... everyone pulls differently from the books [16:49] <fantasyweaver> so coul I [16:49] <etnutter_> Again, RAB needed a lot more flesh on his bones chapterwise to build that case [16:49] <Questauthor> that's why discussion about them is so interesting! [16:49] <fantasyweaver> right [16:50] <etnutter_> RAB....True Black, True DE, or True son? [16:50] *** Syrce has joined #lounge [16:50] <Aislinn> Only 10 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [16:50] <Questauthor> True to himeself, in the end [16:50] <HeliumHead> obviously not true DE [16:50] <fawkes28> Jo chose as funniest the line of Ron's about Peeves' song at the end of the battle at Hogwarts "really captures the scope and tragedy of the thing, doesn't it?" Do you have a funniest line from the book? What is it? [16:50] <bubblehead> true house-elf lover [16:50] <Questauthor> wow [16:50] <ProngsPatronus> I think one can be a true Balck, a true son, and still love something [16:50] <Questauthor> I liked "Oy! Is NOW the time?" [16:51] <etnutter_> Sirius couldn't [16:51] *** UKray has joined #lounge [16:51] <Aislinn> I loved that line, Questauthor [16:51] <Rudius> Percy resigning [16:51] <ProngsPatronus> and calling himself a git [16:51] <bubblehead> I like the ear jokes [16:51] <Questauthor> Altho, saintlike was pretty funny too [16:51] <fawkes28> yes, i liked that one, PP [16:51] <Aislinn> I liked the Potterwatch banter too [16:51] <Questauthor> bubble, we are so in sync [16:51] <fantasyweaver> "remeber those birds she set on me" "I havn't ruled them out" [16:51] <cbm> I agree with her [16:51] <Questauthor> "Always the tone of surprise" [16:51] <Rudius> that was a classic [16:51] <Questauthor> used twice, and with great success [16:52] <firstincantation> how about I knew harry didn't have a tattoo [16:52] <fantasyweaver> the ccode names on potterwatch were a dead givaway [16:52] <Rudius> lol [16:52] <ProngsPatronus> the bit about the book on compliments was hysterical [16:52] <Questauthor> hahahaha, first!!! [16:52] <UKray> hooray, are we talking about funny lines? [16:52] <bubblehead> I wanna be Rapier! [16:52] <etnutter_> The whole 7 potters inuendos [16:52] <fawkes28> yes, UKray [16:52] <Questauthor> yes, ukray! [16:52] <fantasyweaver> yeah the whole wdding was pretty funny [16:52] <Aislinn> those were hysterical etnutter_ [16:52] <Questauthor> It wasn't a line, per se, but the mental imagry of 7 nekkid harry's..... and his embarasment [16:52] <Rudius> lol [16:52] <Aislinn> all the stripping off with impugnity [16:53] <bubblehead> Pretty much anything Auntie Murial said was good [16:53] <UKray> oh yes, and how he wished they were a bit more modest with his body! [16:53] <fantasyweaver> now i am lol [16:53] <Aislinn> Auntie muriel was a hoot [16:53] <Questauthor> Yes she was! [16:53] <JaneMarple9> aunt murial was funny! [16:53] <Rudius> and fleur looking at bill while looking like harry [16:53] <UKray> I love how Fred said he wouldn't want to have to remain a scrawny specky git [16:53] <ProngsPatronus> Hermione beating Ron up after his return was a hoot [16:53] <JaneMarple9> glad she wasn't my aunt laugh [16:53] <Questauthor> I liked Krums remark about how it did him no good to be an international quidditch player if all the good looking girls were taken [16:53] <fawkes28> i love how the humor always breaks up the seriousness [16:53] <Aislinn> don't look at me, I'm 'eedious! [16:53] <Rudius> We're still Identical!! [16:53] <Theoriser> how about when hermione started attacking ron when he came back [16:53] <JaneMarple9> oh fleur was great [16:53] <etnutter_> or the slavish look [16:53] <fawkes28> i love that line, rudius [16:54] <fantasyweaver> in complete aggrement with fawkes [16:54] <Aislinn> that was so perfect, theoriser [16:54] <Aislinn> I cracked up [16:54] <Questauthor> She sprinkled in the humor perfectly [16:54] <JaneMarple9> and the way moody said "even voldemort can't spilt himself into seven." [16:54] <Theoriser> and molly's line to bellatrix at the end [16:54] <Questauthor> yeah [16:54] <HeliumHead> the line about the weasley uncle that would pull roses from his.. [16:54] <Aislinn> she really did, Questauthor - knew when to break the tension [16:54] <Questauthor> Oh, of course, Theoriser! [16:54] <JaneMarple9> and harry and hermione just looked at it other [16:54] <Rudius> no that one i didnt enjoy [16:54] <UKray> her humor is one of the MAIN reasons the books are so addictive [16:54] <Questauthor> Merlin's saggy left.... [16:54] <fantasyweaver> but of copurse volde mort had split himslef in 7 [16:54] <Aislinn> yeah, Molly had the best line in th whole book [16:54] *** ascellaskat has joined #lounge [16:55] <JaneMarple9> of course he had...showed how much moody didn't know [16:55] <fantasyweaver> is that why he died so soon, he was dead wrong [16:55] <JaneMarple9> and uncle bilius - he'd be amusing at weddings! [16:55] <UKray> the best moment of humor was when they all collapsed by the lake after escaping from Gringotts! [16:55] <fawkes28> Auntie Muriel's tiara was not significant, and was just included in the story to show "what an old bat she is." Did you think this tiara was significant, or had you guessed about the one in the Room of Requirement? [16:55] <Questauthor> tee hee [16:55] <fantasyweaver> i'd thow something at billius [16:55] <Questauthor> I totally got the one in the RoR! [16:55] <Questauthor> The one darn thing I DID get! [16:55] <NYBookworm> I thought they were the same one until DH [16:56] <JaneMarple9> i knew it i knew it i knew it laugh [16:56] <bubblehead> Muriels tiara was a red herring [16:56] <etnutter_> red herring but a pointer to the ROR diadem...... [16:56] <UKray> me too, Quest, that was the only thing I got! [16:56] <Questauthor> Once I got the thesarus and figured out what, exactly, a diedem was! [16:56] <Rudius> i knew it wasnt significant [16:56] <fawkes28> I swore the stupid Tiara was a red herring - i thought it was the wand in Oliivander's [16:56] <JaneMarple9> i loved that tiara in the room of requirement! [16:56] <UKray> tee hee, a die-dum [16:56] <JaneMarple9> snap questauthor! [16:56] <Aislinn> I wondered about the tiara in RoR, but didn't even really know why I thought it was [16:56] <fawkes28> i was so mad too when i found about it [16:56] <Rudius> i so just sounded like Lockeart [16:56] <UKray> what did Crabbe call it? [16:56] <Aislinn> but there was so much in that room, I figured SOMETHING there must be significant [16:56] <fantasyweaver> i did not quess the ror, nbut knew muriels tiara was just murials tiara [16:56] <bubblehead> die-dum [16:56] <etnutter_> because you were thinking her thoughts Aislinn... [16:56] <JaneMarple9> first thing i did, when i read the titles of the chapters, on the cd - looked up diadem [16:57] <Aislinn> lol [16:57] <fawkes28> I did like the story behind the diadem though - i love learning things about the Founder's [16:57] <Questauthor> I didn't read chapter titles, I should have! [16:57] <UKray> I was hoping maybe the wig would be signifcant too. smile [16:57] <fantasyweaver> fitting, crabbe died dumb [16:57] <JaneMarple9> oh yes! the grey lady [16:57] <Aislinn> it was great to find out about the 2 ghosts [16:57] <Questauthor> I do too, Fawkes. Can't wait for some fanart on that [16:57] <bubblehead> i knew something was up with the tiaria in thr RoR but I don't think I guessed it was a Horcrux [16:57] <fawkes28> no, Questauthor - that would give too much away [16:57] <JaneMarple9> and the bloody baron - how he loved her [16:57] <etnutter_> Crabbe the dunce destroyed the greatst artifact of wisdom of the house of wisdom in hte school [16:57] <fawkes28> i was covering the pages so i wouldnt see anything that i shouldn't [16:57] <ProngsPatronus> interesting how the diadem conferred more thinking power [16:58] <NYBookworm> ok, gtg bye [16:58] <Rudius> and that is saying something [16:58] <bubblehead> Fat Friar got no love but all th eother ghosts did [16:58] <JaneMarple9> i always knew that tiara was important ever since book 6 [16:58] <Questauthor> by NYBW [16:58] <Questauthor> bye [16:58] *** Syrce has quit [Bye] [16:58] <Questauthor> I mean [16:58] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [16:58] <JaneMarple9> what about peeves? [16:58] <Rudius> bye [16:58] <JaneMarple9> nd NHN? [16:58] <UKray> yeah, no love for the Fat Friar. I smell SEQUEL [16:58] <Questauthor> Peeves.... gotta love him [16:58] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has joined #lounge [16:58] <JaneMarple9> they didn't get much love [16:58] <fantasyweaver> i think peeves is the most popular [16:58] <UKray> Peeves' song at the end was terrific [16:58] <JaneMarple9> peeves was fantastic - he is so funny [16:58] <bubblehead> but peeves isnt a ghost [16:58] <firstincantation> bye [16:58] <UKray> I've always loved his songs: oh potter, you rotter [16:59] *** firstincantation has quit [Bye] [16:59] <bubblehead> he's a poltergeist [16:59] <etnutter_> going too - the Red Sox are about to disgrace the white sox again.....sorry chicago.... [16:59] <fantasyweaver> what is a poltergeist [16:59] <JaneMarple9> oh yes! voldie's gone moldy [16:59] <fawkes28> Thanks for coming to the chat! [16:59] <JaneMarple9> it's a fancy ghost smile [16:59] <fawkes28> It has been fun. smile [16:59] <Questauthor> He was the combination of all th emischief at Hoggys, or something like that [16:59] <bubblehead> they're like energy from people [16:59] <ProngsPatronus> lovely chat! [16:59] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> puts it all into context [16:59] <ProngsPatronus> so sad that it went so fast [16:59] <cbm> bye [16:59] *** etnutter_ has quit [Bye] [16:59] <Questauthor> Filch's oppostie, is how I think of him [16:59] <Aislinn> it's been fun, guys - hope to see you all again soon! [16:59] <JaneMarple9> great great chat all [16:59] <fawkes28> it always does [16:59] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> sorry I was so late [16:59] <HeliumHead> thanks, bye [16:59] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [17:00] <fantasyweaver> my hands hurt froom so much typing [17:00] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [17:00] <fantasyweaver> but it was fun [17:00] <UKray> oh crap, did I come in at the very end? I suck [17:00] *** HeliumHead has quit [Bye] [17:00] <Questauthor> Bye everyone!!! It's been... fun [17:00] <Theoriser> it's been a great chat, everyone [17:00] <bubblehead> bye guys! [17:00] <Rudius> bye [17:00] <fawkes28> it's ok - we are glad you all came [17:00] *** Questauthor has quit [Bye] [17:00] *** ascellaskat has quit [Bye] [17:00] *** bubblehead left #lounge [] This post has been edited by Aislinn: Aug 26 2007, 04:36 PM |
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