Chat Transcript: 7/29/07, The Deathly Hallows |
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[14:59] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [14:59] *** Topic is: What Else? Deathly Hallows! [15:01] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:02] *** bibs has joined #lounge [15:02] <Aislinn> Hi bibs [15:02] <bibs> hi [15:02] <bibs> how are you all [15:02] <ProngsPatronus> hey, bibs [15:02] *** gurgkarkus has joined #lounge [15:02] <bibs> hi [15:02] *** rudenychik has joined #lounge [15:02] *** pthree has joined #lounge [15:02] <Aislinn> well, how about you? [15:03] <Aislinn> Hi gurgkarkus [15:03] <gurgkarkus> hello [15:03] *** rudenychik has quit [Bye] [15:03] *** lmauro12 has joined #lounge [15:03] <Aislinn> and pthree smile [15:03] <bibs> im not feeling too well so i thought i might cheer myself [15:03] <pthree> hello to all of you to [15:03] <bibs> hey [15:03] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all! [15:03] <lmauro12> hello all [15:04] *** turquoise has joined #lounge [15:04] <fawkes28> hey turquoise [15:04] <ProngsPatronus> glad you could join us, turquoise [15:04] <bibs> im listen to all wizard rock songs [15:04] <lmauro12> hey turquoise [15:05] *** turquoise has quit [Bye] [15:05] *** loopyloonyluna has joined #lounge [15:05] *** rudenychik has joined #lounge [15:05] *** GEORISA has joined #lounge [15:05] <ProngsPatronus> hey, LLL [15:05] <bibs> hey [15:05] <lmauro12> hey all [15:05] <loopyloonyluna> hello [15:05] <GEORISA> hello [15:05] *** loopyloonyluna has quit [Bye] [15:05] *** cbm has joined #lounge [15:05] <ProngsPatronus> hello, georisa [15:06] <cbm> Hi everyone! [15:06] <ProngsPatronus> hey, cbm [15:06] <GEORISA> hi [15:06] <bibs> hey [15:06] <fawkes28> hey cbm [15:06] *** loopyloonyluna has joined #lounge [15:06] <lmauro12> hey cbn [15:06] *** rudenychik has quit [Bye] [15:06] <Aislinn> hi cbm! [15:06] *** Leela has joined #lounge [15:07] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [15:07] <mollywobbles23> hi! [15:07] <Leela> Hello All [15:07] <lmauro12> hey leela and mollywobbles [15:07] *** mrsfiggforever has joined #lounge [15:07] <Leela> This is my first time here. [15:07] <lmauro12> mine too sorta [15:07] <mollywobbles23> welcome! [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> hey, molly [15:08] <bibs> im listening to the remus lupins at the moment ( il love them )any one else like wizard rock? [15:08] <mollywobbles23> is this going to be a free chat like last time, or are there going to be discussion questions? [15:08] <Leela> What do you talk about normally? [15:08] <mollywobbles23> hey Prongs smile [15:08] <lmauro12> ya that mu question? [15:08] <mollywobbles23> it depends on the topic [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> we are using this first week as free chats [15:08] *** IllinoisGirl has joined #lounge [15:08] <IllinoisGirl> hello [15:08] <bibs> cool [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> we will have more directed chats next week [15:08] <Leela> Hello. [15:08] <cbm> Normally there is a subject and the moderators have topics for discussions [15:08] <mollywobbles23> k, groovy noodles [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> hey, Illinois [15:08] <GEORISA> heres a question, not sure if it has been discussed, but do we see barty couch jr after gof? [15:09] <mollywobbles23> I don't think so [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> no, we don't [15:09] <cbm> no [15:09] <Leela> Not that I am aware of. [15:09] <IllinoisGirl> I have a question about Umbridge....is she a muggle born? [15:09] <lmauro12> no we don't [15:09] *** IlsesBlueWind has joined #lounge [15:09] <bibs> not sure [15:09] <Leela> That would be hilarious! [15:09] <GEORISA> i was just thinking about that. shouldnt he have been mention in deathly hallows? [15:09] <lmauro12> ummm i am not sure [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> hey, ilses [15:09] <fawkes28> that would be a good question to ask Jo smile [15:09] <cbm> I doubt it [15:09] <IlsesBlueWind> Hi [15:09] <mrsfiggforever> mee too [15:09] <Leela> Oh, no she isn't. [15:09] <mrsfiggforever> I doubt it [15:09] <IllinoisGirl> Umbridge made a big deal about the locket [15:09] <mollywobbles23> how do you change the color of your text? I click the button and nothing happens. [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> I would think that, were she a Muggleborn, she would not be in the position of power she had [15:09] <lmauro12> ya she did [15:10] <Leela> She took the Locket to make herself more important. [15:10] <cbm> I think she was just trying to fit in [15:10] <ProngsPatronus> she had to have been wizard-born to do that job [15:10] <mollywobbles23> She has no soul, so it didn't affect her [15:10] <lmauro12> ya that is true [15:10] <mollywobbles23> lol [15:10] <mrsfiggforever> exactly and she wouldnt have been appointed for the hearings if she was muggle born [15:10] <bibs> i think she might be half blood or pureblood going on the fact she wasnt arested in dh [15:10] <IllinoisGirl> we do not know [15:10] *** testing has joined #lounge [15:10] <loopyloonyluna> I don't think Barty Jr. has much to offer anymore. I think of peopele that have been kissed as being in a vegetative or catatonic state [15:10] <GEORISA> umbridge sounds a little like malfroy [15:10] *** bcroft919 has joined #lounge [15:10] <pthree> i'm curious as to how she got Madeye Moody's Eye since no one ever found his body? [15:10] <cbm> or she is so evil anyone, no one would notice any difference [15:10] <Aislinn> mollywobbles23, are you in the old interface or the new [15:10] <GEORISA> proud of being wizard line, but not to proud to be a deatheater [15:10] <IlsesBlueWind> I think the DE might've found his body [15:10] <bibs> shes not exactly talented [15:10] <bibs> is she [15:10] <Leela> I personally think Umbridge is worse than the Malfoys. [15:10] <mollywobbles23> I think it's implied that the Ministry found it [15:10] <mollywobbles23> the new [15:11] <lmauro12> i hate umbridge [15:11] <IlsesBlueWind> or at least the eye, [15:11] <lmauro12> she is evil [15:11] <Aislinn> you can only change colors permanently in the old [15:11] <IlsesBlueWind> the eye might've seperated from Moody's body [15:11] <mrsfiggforever> mee too, however I do think lucius is much worse than her [15:11] <Aislinn> you have to highlight the words and click on the color icon in the new. [15:11] <mollywobbles23> ah [15:11] <mollywobbles23> thanks [15:11] *** testing has quit [Bye] [15:11] <ProngsPatronus> I hope that is something that gets fixed, Aislinn [15:11] <Leela> Lucius is a coward hungery for power he cannot get hinself. [15:11] <GEORISA> perhaps the ministry found the body, but didnt want to report the death of such an awesome auror [15:11] <IllinoisGirl> she was high enough even before DH [15:12] <bibs> i have a fascination with imagining me pushing her off the astronomy tower [15:12] *** gurgkarkus has quit [Bye] [15:12] <mollywobbles23> I have this fear that the DEs got his body and he was Nagini's breakfast [15:12] <Leela> They didn't want to report it - too many questions would be asked about the circumstances. [15:12] <IlsesBlueWind> ew [15:12] *** bellablack88 has joined #lounge [15:12] <pthree> I was talking with someone the other day about the Malfoy's and we decided they could talk the talk but couldn't walk the walk. [15:12] <IllinoisGirl> yeah [15:12] <bibs> true pthree [15:12] <mollywobbles23> makes sense, pthree [15:12] <bcroft919> defanately [15:12] <IlsesBlueWind> I wonder who Draco married [15:12] <mrsfiggforever> lucius did walk the walk for a long time [15:13] <cbm> The minister just spent his time trying to figure out what the 3 object were, instead of fighting Voldemort [15:13] <lmauro12> ya malfoy look terrifed in the first scne [15:13] <GEORISA> why didnt draco serve time? [15:13] <mollywobbles23> maybe he did [15:13] <bellablack88> He was just a kid. [15:13] <IlsesBlueWind> I think only DE who were involved in the final battle served time [15:13] <bcroft919> *baldy [15:13] <Leela> Voldy had already taken down Azkeban. [15:13] <IlsesBlueWind> I mean, who killed in the battle [15:13] <cbm> we do not know if he served, only that he had been out 12 years [15:13] <bibs> i have a milicent bulstrode theory when it comes to who draco maried... [15:13] <lmauro12> ya what happen to belthraix.. is she def dead? [15:13] <mollywobbles23> lol [15:13] <bellablack88> she's so dead [15:13] <Leela> Yes! [15:13] <mollywobbles23> I believe so [15:13] *** bcroft919 has quit [Bye] [15:13] <cbm> Maybe it is a muggleborn? [15:13] <IlsesBlueWind> it was probably all confusion after LV fell in accordance with the ministry [15:14] <GEORISA> molly killed her [15:14] <mrsfiggforever> yeah Rons mom killed her [15:14] <bibs> whoo hoo [15:14] <mollywobbles23> I can't wait to reread that part [15:14] *** bcroft919 has joined #lounge [15:14] *** rudenychik has joined #lounge [15:14] <IlsesBlueWind> Kingsley was good but he probably couldn't take care of everything [15:14] <mollywobbles23> I giggled so hard [15:14] <bellablack88> I wonder if Draco would ever have a non pure-blood wife [15:14] <mollywobbles23> I don't think so [15:14] <bibs> ive developed a kingsley obsession [15:14] <bcroft919> prolly not [15:14] <Leela> I let out a loud, 'HA!' [15:14] <GEORISA> didnt he have a girlfriend [15:14] <mollywobbles23> Pansy [15:14] <lmauro12> ya it that was one od my favv scenes [15:14] <GEORISA> draco [15:14] <bellablack88> I love Kingsley too [15:14] <IlsesBlueWind> It would be ironic if we found out he married a muggle [15:14] <pthree> i loved molly at that moment in time. She finally came out of her shell [15:14] <mrsfiggforever> In the epilouge it says he married a pureblood [15:14] <GEORISA> he probably married her [15:14] <IlsesBlueWind> or a muggle-born [15:14] <lmauro12> i like digle [15:14] <mollywobbles23> oh, Kingsley is awesome! [15:14] <bcroft919> yeah i hope he remained MOM for a while [15:14] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [15:14] <bibs> i hope kingsleys the new minister [15:15] <Leela> Hello tinker [15:15] <IllinoisGirl> he was the best for the job [15:15] <mollywobbles23> I'm sure there will be fanfics, IlsesBlueWind [15:15] <lmauro12> yep he was [15:15] <bcroft919> it said he was temporary at least for the end of DH [15:15] <tinkertime> hullo everyone [15:15] <Leela> For the time, he was. [15:15] <lmauro12> hello [15:15] <bellablack88> he was good in the movie too, though he only had like 2 lines [15:15] <cbm> No she was a pureblood, didn't ron say something about grandpa weasley being mad if she married a pure blood to his daughter? [15:15] <mrsfiggforever> remember ron telling his daugher that his grandfather would kill her if she mmarried a pureblood [15:15] <IlsesBlueWind> Kingsley probably didn't stay for too long though- they probably have a serious shortage in the Auror department now [15:15] <mollywobbles23> I'm currently writing a fanfic called "Twelve Fail-Safe Ways to Charm a Witch" [15:15] <bibs> who cheered for john noe when dawlish was mentioned [15:15] <mollywobbles23> *giggles* [15:15] <Leela> I thought Kingsley would be much cooler in the movie. [15:15] <lmauro12> lol [15:15] <IlsesBlueWind> oh ok about draco's wife being a pureblood [15:15] <bellablack88> ooh i wanna read it! [15:15] <lmauro12> me too [15:15] <Leela> More like Samuel L. Jackson. [15:15] <bcroft919> lol [15:15] <cbm> I cheered when I heard neville's grandma had taken him down [15:15] <mollywobbles23> I'll put it on checkmated when I'm done [15:16] <lmauro12> ok [15:16] <IllinoisGirl> that was funny [15:16] *** tinkertime has quit [Bye] [15:16] <bellablack88> "it's not all wandwork" [15:16] <IlsesBlueWind> i enjoyed seeing more of gran [15:16] <Aislinn> For those of you for whom the Booth is relatively new, we're going to be having a focused chat in a few minutes, meaning that the moderators will ask questions and we'll all try to stick to the topic being discussed. [15:16] <bcroft919> neville's gran kicked serious butt [15:16] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [15:16] <bellablack88> yeah she rocked [15:16] <Leela> Ok, Aislinn. [15:16] <GEORISA> ok [15:16] *** IlsesBlueWind left #lounge [Leaving] [15:16] <lmauro12> ok [15:16] <pthree> ok] [15:16] <Leela> Yeah, leaving 3 DE's in St Mungos. [15:16] <bibs> whoo hoo [15:17] <bcroft919> yess [15:17] <mollywobbles23> the premise is that the twins gave it to Ron for his b-day present in HBP [15:17] <Leela> Oh, yeah! I forgot that. [15:17] <mollywobbles23> and hilarity and fluff ensue from there [15:17] <bibs> gran kicked dawlishes butt to [15:17] <bibs> yeah [15:17] <mollywobbles23> She did? [15:17] <tinkertime> cheers to John Dawlish - and PotterWatch, way to go Leaky! [15:17] <Leela> I think Ron needed it more than Harry. [15:17] <mollywobbles23> I have got to reread the battle soon [15:17] <bellablack88> Dawlish looked weird in the movie [15:17] <ProngsPatronus> what a lovelt surprise--questions! [15:17] <mollywobbles23> I almost died when I read "Potterwatch" [15:18] <IllinoisGirl> LOVED the Potterwatch [15:18] <bellablack88> me too [15:18] <lmauro12> i loved potter watch [15:18] <IllinoisGirl> he looked uptigh [15:18] <Leela> My favorite part was when Lupin was on air. [15:18] <cbm> Dawlish is not very competent [15:18] *** strangecurses has joined #lounge [15:18] <bcroft919> i think she took potterwatch from all the podcasts online... it was a tribute to the fans for sure [15:18] <lmauro12> i like fred [15:18] <bibs> i love lupin [15:18] <bellablack88> so sad he's dead [15:18] <GEORISA> i wished i had hermoines bag [15:18] <tinkertime> it's hard to be Dawlish smile [15:18] <IllinoisGirl> we all do [15:18] <mollywobbles23> I love the chapter art for that chapter too, with Ron and Hermione kneeling by the wireless [15:18] <bibs> hugo fred weasley [15:18] <bellablack88> he's such a complex, multi-layered character, that Dawlish... [15:18] <cbm> It would have been funny if she called it pottercast [15:18] <lmauro12> ya i am in th middle of re-read dh [15:18] <bcroft919> lol [15:19] <Leela> I was so stunned when Fred died ... much more than Lupin. [15:19] <mollywobbles23> I started humming "A Spoonful of Sugar" when Hermione's bag was explained [15:19] <bellablack88> i wish Percy had died instead [15:19] <cbm> Tonks was the only death that stunned me [15:19] <bibs> grubbly planks the new dawlish! [15:19] <GEORISA> when i saw the chapter art of hagrid carrying harry, i thought, omg, harry is going to die [15:19] <mrsfiggforever> yeah, why Tonks I dont get it [15:19] *** Jartree has joined #lounge [15:19] <mollywobbles23> I figured Fred would die [15:19] <bellablack88> me too! so scary [15:19] *** Synesthesia has joined #lounge [15:19] *** AzraelSmurfCatcher has joined #lounge [15:19] <ProngsPatronus> hey, jartree [15:20] <tinkertime> very sad about Tonks... [15:20] <Aislinn> me too, molly [15:20] <Leela> Hello, everyone. [15:20] <Jartree> hello [15:20] <pthree> i thought for a moment we'd lost Hagrid to when all the spiders showed up [15:20] <bellablack88> hi [15:20] *** loopyloonyluna has quit [Bye] [15:20] <mollywobbles23> me too [15:20] <tinkertime> hullo [15:20] <mollywobbles23> I was so mad [15:20] <bellablack88> i'm so glad hagrid lived [15:20] <fawkes28> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [15:20] *** MiniWitch has joined #lounge [15:20] <fawkes28> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [15:20] <fawkes28> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [15:21] <fawkes28> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [15:21] <fawkes28> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [15:21] *** loopyloonyluna has joined #lounge [15:21] <ProngsPatronus> “The Elder Wand,” he said, and he drew a straight vertical line upon the parchment. “The Resurrection Stone,” he said, and he added a circle on top of the line. “The Cloak of Invisibility,” he finished, enclosing both line and circle in a triangle to make the symbol that so intrigued Hermione. “Together,” he said, “the Deathly Hallows.” [15:21] *** MiniWitch has quit [Bye] [15:21] <ProngsPatronus> Let’s discuss these Deathly Hallows and the significance they have for our series. [15:22] *** the_heir_of_ravenclaw has joined #lounge [15:22] <ProngsPatronus> The three brothers from the Tales of Beedle the Bard are already being paralleled to characters in Harry Potter. For example, Voldemort is being compared to the first brother who received the Elder Wand. Do you agree? What other comparisons do you see? [15:22] <Synesthesia> Harry obviously= the last brother... [15:22] <Synesthesia> Dumbledore is sort of like the middle one to me... [15:22] <bcroft919> snape being the one with the stone to bring lily back [15:22] <Synesthesia> longing to see his family again... willing to settle for shadows. [15:22] <bellablack88> I think Harry could be compared to the second brother too... [15:22] <bcroft919> or DD for his family [15:22] *** strangecurses has quit [Bye] [15:22] <Synesthesia> Snape too... [15:22] <Leela> I see Ron as the first brother more than Voldy. [15:22] <mollywobbles23> I read a theory that compared Voldy to the brother with the EW, Snape the stone, and Harry the cloak [15:22] <Jartree> Dumbledore would have wanted his sister back no? [15:22] <mollywobbles23> I like that one [15:22] <bellablack88> I think there's a lot of overlap [15:23] <loopyloonyluna> Yeah, I thought Snape parallels the 2nd brother too [15:23] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [15:23] <Synesthesia> yes. he would have watned to tell his family he's sorry [15:23] <Aislinn> Ron, really? [15:23] <Aislinn> why? [15:23] <mollywobbles23> and Harry's comment about them being the "three abandoned boys" [15:23] <GEORISA> ron as the first [15:23] <Synesthesia> Ron would want power because he's always so... shunted off to the side. [15:23] <bellablack88> yeah. why ron? [15:23] <Leela> Because he was always yearned to prove himself. [15:23] <lmauro12> ya i like that line [15:23] <Synesthesia> Sirius would have wanted the elder wand... [15:23] <bellablack88> o okay that makes sense [15:23] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I think the trio kinda match up to the brothers and te was esp. showed when they asked themselves what they'd pick [15:23] <tinkertime> I'm not sure of exact parallels - they Hallows & Bros seem to be more precursors to the Horcruxes... [15:23] <Synesthesia> James, of course the cloak... [15:23] <cbm> Ron does not want power, he is more interested in fame [15:23] <fawkes28> see, i dont know if Snape would actually want to bring Lily back - i think that would make him even more unhappy - which i think he realizes [15:23] <lmauro12> i liked the clock [15:23] <bellablack88> I think all three brothers reflect desires we ALL have [15:23] <Synesthesia> i reckon Lupin might have been the stone in a way... [15:23] <lmauro12> ya i agree [15:23] <bibs> im back [15:23] <mollywobbles23> well said, cbm [15:24] <Leela> Harry is very much the second brother ... all throughout the series. [15:24] <tinkertime> Agree bella [15:24] <ProngsPatronus> I think it refers to DD, Voldemort, and harry [15:24] <Aislinn> interesting point fawkes [15:24] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Goo point bella [15:24] <Synesthesia> more like the last brother.... [15:24] <mrsfiggforever> I dont know fawkes, he wanted to say he was sorry [15:24] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> *good not goo [15:24] <loopyloonyluna> Snape didn't really live his life since he went to Dumbledore. Everythin we see is for Lily [15:24] <mrsfiggforever> I think Snape would have used the rock to bring her back [15:24] <Synesthesia> he walked into death willingly. [15:24] <lmauro12> that scene was so hard to read [15:24] <fawkes28> but it doesnt really bring the person back [15:24] <ProngsPatronus> as did the younger broither, when it was time [15:24] <Aislinn> Harry did. [15:24] <Synesthesia> then he would have been heartbroken as her heart was stolen by james. [15:24] <mollywobbles23> I like the way Harry's actions in the forest mirrored the story of the third brother, except for the long life bit [15:25] <Jartree> even if he did bring lily back he knows it wouldnt change anything [15:25] <bellablack88> o good point! [15:25] <Synesthesia> no, it just brings back a shadow of them. [15:25] <Synesthesia> and they long to go back [15:25] <fawkes28> look at what happened with the second brother [15:25] <Synesthesia> so you pine and grow more depressed, the way HP did in the first book with the mirror [15:25] <mrsfiggforever> but Dumbledore wanted to say sorry that is why he put the ring on [15:25] <Leela> Yes, I think that would have echoed in Snape. [15:25] <Aislinn> yes, the Hallows seem to offer false promises [15:25] <ProngsPatronus> I think the second brother was the most afraid of death [15:25] <mrsfiggforever> why would Snape not do the same thing with lilly [15:25] <Leela> At least deep despair. [15:25] <cbm> her heart was not stolen, she ended up with someone who was fighting for what she believed in, not a follower of voldemort [15:25] <bellablack88> Master of death -- what does that really mean? [15:25] <lmauro12> yes def aislinn [15:25] <Aislinn> the stone doesn't bring back the lost one, just a shadow of them. [15:25] *** strangecurses has joined #lounge [15:25] <bibs> well, voldy wants to conquer death, so did dd [15:25] <fawkes28> Snape actually wanted Lily in the flesh - not the way the stone allows for [15:25] <bcroft919> did anyone notice when they decribed the ones brought back by the stone, it says they were separated as "by a veil?" interesting... [15:25] <Synesthesia> yeah, it was stolen, and she let it be stolen willingly... [15:26] <bellablack88> I think Voldy went about conquering death in the wrong way though [15:26] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Could the Hallows be compared to the Houses of Hogwarts... With the exception being Hufflepuff because they were the 'left-overs' so to say (although nothing against Hufflepuffs, they rock) [15:26] *** CannonsKara has joined #lounge [15:26] *** IllinoisGirl has quit [Bye] [15:26] <fawkes28> yes, bcroft - that was interesting [15:26] <Leela> Yes, I did notice that bcroft [15:26] <bibs> i thought a bout the veil [15:26] <lmauro12> i think that was were the veil was seen [15:26] <tinkertime> Individually the Hallows were powerful - but could still be defeated. The combo of all three making one the Master of Death, had different meanings for Snape, DD and Harry. Harry in the end may have been the only one who could walk away from that [15:26] <bcroft919> i agree [15:26] <bellablack88> me too [15:26] <mollywobbles23> I like the fact that a point of the story is not that the third brother "hid" from Death. He did in a way, I guess, by just living. He didn't go around bragging or sulking in the past. [15:26] <Synesthesia> *nod* [15:26] <ProngsPatronus> good point, tinker [15:26] <mollywobbles23> He just lived. [15:26] <fawkes28> i think snape was doing everything he could so that he would redeem himself and one day be reunited with Lily in death - the Stone would not have fulfilled him [15:26] <Leela> I have wondered what 'Master of Death' meant. [15:26] <mollywobbles23> Which is what Harry is doing in the epilogue. [15:26] <CannonsKara> Harry didn't seem to have the weakness for power that the others did... That's why he could walk away. [15:27] *** bellablack88 has quit [Bye] [15:27] <mollywobbles23> and why he only kept and used the cloak [15:27] <ProngsPatronus> power--or absolute power? [15:27] <CannonsKara> absolute power [15:27] <bibs> one wants to hide from death, one wants to conquer death one wants to revive death? [15:27] <ProngsPatronus> both dd and lv were after absolute power [15:27] <Leela> I personally don't see any of the three brothers echoed in Hermione. [15:27] <CannonsKara> the cloak was the only one that he felt was rightfully his, wasn't it? [15:27] <Aislinn> I don't think that is what Master of Death really means though [15:27] <Synesthesia> she's too grounded in reality to understand. [15:27] <bcroft919> true [15:28] <Synesthesia> books and facts, no fancy for her [15:28] <Aislinn> It was their lust for power that made them buy into that fallacy. [15:28] <mollywobbles23> Hermione was pretty good at escaping dire situations and disguising the three of them [15:28] <mollywobbles23> so they could live [15:28] <CannonsKara> exactly, aislinn! [15:28] <Jartree> I think Master of Death means your able to face it without fear, like Harry did in the forest [15:28] <ProngsPatronus> books, and cleverness... [15:28] <Leela> I don't think she would have used them in their true sense even if she was given all three. [15:28] <Synesthesia> true, but she's not good at believing in dreams and fantasy, no tlike Luna. [15:28] <GEORISA> voldermort was too arrogant..he only wanted power [15:28] <Aislinn> yes, Jartree [15:28] <loopyloonyluna> Hermione picked the Cloak because that was the one you're 'supposed' to pick [15:28] <Synesthesia> (probably why she ended up with the book in the first place) [15:28] <Leela> I agree, loopy. [15:28] <tinkertime> DD was certainly lured to Mastering deat - his association with nicholas Flamel & his quest to get all three of the Hallows [15:28] <Aislinn> which is so typical of Hermione, loopy [15:28] <ProngsPatronus> I think that is right on, LLL [15:29] <bcroft919> the cloak was the most selfless of the three hallows [15:29] <tinkertime> *death not deat [15:29] <Aislinn> she would go with the conventional choice. [15:29] <fawkes28> Harry was always a master of death in a sense - just without the Hallows [15:29] <mollywobbles23> Someone put it nicely somewhere on the lounge. I'm paraphrasing: Eternal life can only be reached through death. [15:29] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Well we have muggle stories were it is also obvious the one your 'supposed to pick' to learn the moral [15:29] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Well we have muggle stories were it is also obvious the one your 'supposed to pick' to learn the moral [15:29] *** dellcia has joined #lounge [15:29] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> woops sorry for the double [15:29] <ProngsPatronus> he was already a ghost in the muggle world, when we meet him [15:29] *** bellablack88 has joined #lounge [15:30] <ProngsPatronus> hey, bella [15:30] <bibs> hi [15:30] <Leela> We obviously know which one DD would have picked. [15:30] <loopyloonyluna> Harry would of course pick the stone because so many of his loved ones have died, and Ron picks the wand because he wants to be the most powerful sibling [15:30] <Leela> Well, did pick. [15:30] <Jartree> Yes Ron is very much in the shadow of his brothers [15:30] <CannonsKara> and Hermione, always the practical one... [15:30] <mollywobbles23> I think the point of the third brother is that he didn't go taunting death or trying to defeat it. He just wanted to live. When he knew it was time for him to pass on, he walked off with Death as if they were friends. [15:30] <GEORISA> dumbledore could have had all 3 at anytime in hbp [15:31] <mrsfiggforever> when harry said to Dumbledore he was going to return the wand to its original place what did he mean? [15:31] *** dellcia left #lounge [] [15:31] <Leela> I was pretty surprised the stone worked after it was cracked. [15:31] <bcroft919> i imagine that is how harry died later in life [15:31] <Aislinn> but he had figured out that he wasn't worthy of them, georisa [15:31] <loopyloonyluna> Dumbledore finally realized that he was not worthy of the Hallows [15:31] <Jartree> He returned to wand to DD's tomb [15:31] <GEORISA> oh [15:31] <mollywobbles23> Maybe he put it back in DD's tomb [15:31] <tinkertime> He tried to - he still wanted the power & put on the ring - he didn't have to do that to destroy the horcrux [15:31] <Aislinn> yes he did. [15:31] *** Rudius has joined #lounge [15:32] <bibs> the sad thing is if voldy had stopped trying to conquer death in the first place he probably would have lived longer [15:32] <Aislinn> hi rudius [15:32] <Synesthesia> i thought he had kept the wand someplace hidden... [15:32] <Synesthesia> *Snicker* [15:32] <Leela> I wonder: Would the Hallows work for everyone? [15:32] <Rudius> lo all [15:32] <mollywobbles23> exactly, bibs [15:32] <loopyloonyluna> I think he put on the ring because he was desperate to apologize to his family [15:32] *** rudenychik has quit [Bye] [15:32] <bellablack88> yeah what did he mean? [15:32] <bellablack88> I don't think they work for everyone. [15:32] <mrsfiggforever> Do you think DD was so powerfull because of his wand?? [15:32] <ProngsPatronus> Harry believes himself to be a descendant of the 3rd brother of the story and Voldemort seems to be a descendant of the 1st brother. Which character is most likely related to the 2nd brother in the tale? [15:32] <bcroft919> as DD said in POA, it does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live... Voldy did just that and met his end [15:32] <bellablack88> They only work for those who understand what "master of death actually means. [15:32] <mollywobbles23> no [15:32] <Aislinn> no, mrsfiggforever - he was powerful before he ever obtained the wand. [15:33] <loopyloonyluna> Dumbledore had to be powerful in his own right to defeat Grindlewald [15:33] <mollywobbles23> He was able to defeat Grindewald without it [15:33] <CannonsKara> Do we know how long DD actually had the Elder Wand? Since he defeated Grindelwald in the 40s? [15:33] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Voldemort is definitely a descendant of the second brother [15:33] <Leela> I don't think anyone. I don't think he had any children. [15:33] <bellablack88> I would say DD [15:33] <mollywobbles23> probably [15:33] <Rudius> i disagree - id say Voldemort was a decendant of the second brother [15:33] <NYBookworm> maybe DD or grindewald? [15:33] <cbm> the ring was the second brother [15:33] <ProngsPatronus> the peverell ring was from the gaunts [15:33] <Rudius> the ring was after all one of the Gaunt heirlooms [15:33] <Leela> Oops, I forgot that. [15:33] <bibs> i sort of think harrys like a walking resurection stone [15:33] <bellablack88> do you think Harry is more selfless than DD? [15:33] <tinkertime> If anyone - I'd say grindewald [15:33] <bcroft919> the second brother didnt have decendants as he killed himself over the woman he could not marry [15:33] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I do [15:33] <loopyloonyluna> I think LV is too frightened of death to have anything to do with the stone [15:33] <Synesthesia> Voldermort is more like the first brother... [15:33] <mollywobbles23> I don't think the first brother had time for a family [15:33] <bibs> i do [15:33] <tinkertime> but we don't know very much about him [15:33] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> He was probably not related to anyone .... it could have been killing after killing of non- relatives for all we know [15:34] <Synesthesia> Dumbledore, the second. [15:34] <fawkes28> definitely bella, that is why Harry was the one who had to defeat Voldemort [15:34] <mollywobbles23> well, the brothers in the story are different from the actual brothers [15:34] <Synesthesia> and yes, Harry is more selfless than Dumbledore and his father when he was his age. [15:34] <mollywobbles23> it's all exaggerated [15:34] <bcroft919> true [15:34] <Synesthesia> he leanred compassion at an early age. [15:34] <bcroft919> thanks for that correction [15:34] <Leela> I would imagine that the first and second brothers had families *before* they met Death. [15:34] <fawkes28> it is interesting to think who could be a descendant [15:34] <bellablack88> Harry's actually a pretty amazing kid smile [15:34] <mollywobbles23> I was so proud of Harry in this book [15:34] <ProngsPatronus> that would make Harry ansdLV cousins [15:35] <mollywobbles23> more so than ever before [15:35] <bibs> so was i molly [15:35] <bcroft919> distantly yes [15:35] <fawkes28> he is of age now - so he is a man even though it is hard to imagine [15:35] *** strangecurses has quit [Bye] [15:35] *** strangecurses has joined #lounge [15:35] <ProngsPatronus> he will always be my boy to me [15:35] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Cousins if they're in the same um generation sort of.. [15:35] <Synesthesia> he is. i love the part when his family and Lupi said they were proud of him, and how dumbledore called him a brave man. [15:35] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [15:35] <Synesthesia> makes my eyes get slightly wet as it's so sweet. [15:35] <bellablack88> he's all grown up! (tear) [15:35] <mollywobbles23> it makes sense that they are somehow as James was a pureblood and Voldy's mother's side was pureblood [15:36] *** cbm has joined #lounge [15:36] *** AmberD has joined #lounge [15:36] <ProngsPatronus> and we know that all the purebloods are related in some way... [15:36] <tinkertime> we already have been told that there are many Wizarding relations - due to the lack of wizrding births [15:36] <bcroft919> most of the major wizarding families are related come to think of it [15:36] <Aislinn> right, mollywobbles23 - the pureblood families were all related in some way [15:36] <mollywobbles23> oh, my goodness, the scene with everyone in the forest..."Stay with me" [15:36] <Aislinn> lag, lag [15:36] <bellablack88> I cried! [15:36] <cbm> they are probably cousins many times over [15:36] <mollywobbles23> *cue molly crying* [15:36] <mollywobbles23> ouch, cbm [15:36] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I cried the most there! [15:36] *** GEORISA has quit [Bye] [15:36] <bibs> *sobs* [15:37] <bcroft919> i cant wait to see that on film... they better not mess it up [15:37] <Rudius> that was particularly heartrending [15:37] <bellablack88> *sniffle* [15:37] <Synesthesia> that was such an awesome scene. [15:37] <Synesthesia> i know! [15:37] <mollywobbles23> The only other book I've ever cried while reading was book 1 in the Mirror of Erised chapter [15:37] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I know i was thinking about how they would make this a film a lot while I was reading [15:37] <Synesthesia> they probably will *bitter* [15:37] <bellablack88> when harry was walking into death I kept yelling "no! no!" [15:37] <bcroft919> one of the most meaningful scenes in the series [15:37] <Leela> I think the wands true owner was killed quite some time ago. [15:37] <mollywobbles23> The Forest Again was so much more intense [15:37] <Synesthesia> it was as cool as the scene in book 4. i love that seen [15:37] <cbm> there is very little fluff in this book to cut out [15:37] <ProngsPatronus> the wand was passed by conquest [15:38] <mollywobbles23> well, the only other HP book... [15:38] <strangecurses> As long as they don't cut the essentials it should be alright [15:38] <Jartree> So have we figured out when the Hallows were made? Before Hogwarts? Because LV is a descedent of Slytherin, and some have suggested Harry is a descendent of Godric, so if they are indeed related, that would make Godric and Salazar related as well [15:38] <Synesthesia> don't think the movie captured it as well, it's when i realized how awesome this series is. (it went well with H by Tool) [15:38] <ProngsPatronus> the other two Hallows were passed by succession [15:38] <mollywobbles23> I don't know about anyone else, but I can't read that cbm [15:38] *** loopyloonyluna has quit [Ping timeout] [15:38] *** strangecurses_ has joined #lounge [15:38] <cbm> is this better? [15:38] <mollywobbles23> yes [15:38] <mollywobbles23> thanks [15:38] <bcroft919> yep [15:38] <bellablack88> you know i think the hallows really don't have any special powers at all when they're combined. it was just Harry's own strength that made him win [15:38] *** loopyloonyluna has joined #lounge [15:38] <Rudius> thanks [15:38] *** strangecurses_ has quit [Bye] [15:39] <mollywobbles23> I think you're right, bella [15:39] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [15:39] <bibs> mmmm [15:39] *** cbm has joined #lounge [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> I disagree [15:39] <lmauro12> yep [15:39] *** CannonsKara has quit [Ping timeout] [15:39] <bcroft919> well the hallows all have elements in which to control death, i dont think they have a special power when put together [15:39] <Leela> I wonder how they discern who is worthy of using them? [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> we know that Dumbledore had extraordinary powers with that wand [15:39] <Synesthesia> love for one thing. [15:39] <bibs> what do you think pp [15:39] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Well they might have power to the one who uses them... Harry wasn't trying to be the master of death [15:39] *** cbm requested CTCP moved from #lounge: back to the new interface [15:39] <tinkertime> Harry didn't need to use the hallows in the end - but that doesn't mean they didn't have powerful effects [15:39] <mollywobbles23> I think the only reason they had the power they seemed to as making Harry "Master of Death" was the emotional journey he had gone through. [15:39] <cbm> Harry was trying to protect everyone he loved [15:40] <tinkertime> It's our choices harry..... [15:40] <Leela> So, you can only use them if you don't want to use them? [15:40] <mollywobbles23> it wouldn't have worked for Voldy [15:40] <bellablack88> I agree with molly [15:40] <Rudius> I somehow dont think they combine to make a master weapon or something [15:40] <Jartree> Just the cloak and the wand would be a deadly combo [15:40] <bellablack88> yes! choices! [15:40] <Synesthesia> *Thinks of the philosopher's stone* [15:40] <Aislinn> yes, Leela - sort of a Zen concept [15:40] <Rudius> its just that if you have all three you are going to be pretty powerful [15:40] <cbm> I guess they are like the mirror of erised [15:40] <ProngsPatronus> harry was the Seeker who did not desire that which he sought [15:40] <mollywobbles23> I don't think Jo was trying to tell us that anyone can master death [15:40] <bellablack88> I thought it was great when harry was digging dobby's grave and he decided not to pursue the hallows. he was tempted, but he chose not to act on that [15:40] *** lmauro12 has quit [Bye] [15:40] <tinkertime> nice comment Prongs [15:40] <bibs> maybe like the mirror trying to get the stone, it works for some one who didnt want to use it - someone who didnt want to conquer death [15:40] <mollywobbles23> me too, bella [15:40] <cbm> exactly bibs [15:40] <mollywobbles23> that made me so happy, aside from my fat tears over Dobby [15:40] <bellablack88> yeah, like the mirror [15:41] <bcroft919> wow, so long ago [15:41] <mollywobbles23> good point, bibs [15:41] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [15:41] <cbm> but dobby died a good death [15:41] <mollywobbles23> he did; he was a hero's hero [15:41] <bellablack88> he was amazing, dobby was! [15:41] <Greeneyes15> Hey guys! [15:41] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [15:41] <bibs> hey [15:41] <cbm> protecting Harry [15:41] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:41] <Leela> So Death knew that noone would be able to use them? [15:41] <tinkertime> That's exactly what it is - Harry is MORE powerful because he chooses not to use the Hallows - he masters death without them [15:41] <Rudius> hi Greeneyes15 [15:41] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Harry did not fear death [15:41] <Greeneyes15> dobby was so awesome! that's what made his death so sad [15:41] <bellablack88> exactly, tinkertime [15:41] <mollywobbles23> precisely [15:41] <ProngsPatronus> and that is what made him a master of death [15:42] <Greeneyes15> i agree prongs [15:42] <Jartree> I want to know why Ron couldnt use the light device to Apparate out like he did to return [15:42] <mollywobbles23> apparate out when? [15:42] <Leela> I'm pretty sure he feared death, but duty came before his personal wants. [15:42] <bellablack88> that light device was weird [15:42] <bcroft919> remember that when harry entered the forest, he did possess all the hallows though he did not personally have the wand [15:42] <Jartree> in the malfoys [15:42] <cbm> the light device only got him to harry, [15:42] *** the_heir_of_ravenclaw has quit [Bye] [15:42] <Jartree> hermione actually [15:42] <loopyloonyluna> I think Harry did not want to die and was apprehensive about death, but I agree that he did not fear death outright [15:42] <bcroft919> he was still its master [15:42] *** strangecurses has quit [Ping timeout] [15:42] <Greeneyes15> the put-outer thing was wierd. i agree. i didin't really understand it [15:42] <bellablack88> i remember the light went to his heart [15:42] <mollywobbles23> they probably had anti-apparition devices...if not they just would have apparated out [15:42] *** GEORISA has joined #lounge [15:43] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [15:43] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:43] <mollywobbles23> the point of the light guiding him was that he could only find them, notice, when his name was finally said [15:43] <Jartree> well its not an ordinary apparation is it? [15:43] <Greeneyes15> maybe you could only use it to apparate in certain situations [15:43] <mollywobbles23> they avoiding saying it for a long time [15:43] <bellablack88> you know what really made me cry? the grave scene, when she talked about how harry's parents were cold, indifferent, unknowing in the ground. SO sad [15:43] <Synesthesia> he could hear them talking about him [15:43] <cbm> wasn't it established in DH tht you need your wand to apperate? [15:43] <mollywobbles23> avoided* [15:43] <bibs> do you think dd new ron might storm off [15:43] <Synesthesia> but they had a lot of protection on them so he couldn't find them. [15:43] <Greeneyes15> yes bibs. [15:43] <mollywobbles23> I think DD knew Ron was insecure [15:43] <Synesthesia> that was such a sad scene. [15:43] <bellablack88> good point molly [15:43] <loopyloonyluna> I don't think the deluminator actually appared Ron, it just guided him [15:44] <Synesthesia> christmas eve, the snow... [15:44] *** strangecurses has joined #lounge [15:44] <bcroft919> insecure, but still loyal [15:44] <ProngsPatronus> We see several ways that people have chosen to become immortal: The Philosopher’s Stone/Exilir of Life, Horcruxes, and the three Deathly Hallows. Which of the three is the most effective? [15:44] <GEORISA> how did dumbledore knew that the trio would get spilt [15:44] <mollywobbles23> yeah, it just guided him [15:44] <mollywobbles23> he trusted it to take him to them, but he actually apparated [15:44] <Greeneyes15> poor Ron. i luv him. but he shouldn't have left. [15:44] <Synesthesia> i don't know. [15:44] <cbm> the stone is to me [15:44] <Synesthesia> i don't think people are supposed to be immortal [15:44] <GEORISA> i think the stone [15:44] <Leela> The Philosopher's Stone. [15:44] <bellablack88> hmmm. remind me about the elixir [15:44] <bcroft919> id imagine that hallows [15:44] <fawkes28> see, i would choose the philosopher's stone [15:44] <Leela> It doesn't corrupt like the others. [15:44] <Synesthesia> t least with the stone you don' thave to kill someone like with the horcruxes [15:44] <Aislinn> None of them, really, but the stone is the least subversive of the natural order. [15:44] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> none. it proves everyone is supposed to die sooner or later. you can never live forever [15:44] <mollywobbles23> he let it do the destination part of the three "D's" [15:44] <Rudius> horcruxes, regrettably [15:44] <pthree> i'd say the stone [15:44] <bibs> i think its a waste of time to find imortality and forget to live [15:44] <Synesthesia> but you'd have to make a new batch all the time. [15:44] <cbm> it did not tear a soul or become an object to be fought over [15:45] <mollywobbles23> I loved Ron in this book, btw [15:45] <Jartree> Horcruxes, though its not the best life, but unlike with the stone you can die and come back. I dont think the stone keeps you from being killed by an AK or something [15:45] <Synesthesia> the hallows don't don't see to be reliable. [15:45] <Rudius> the stone is a way of delaying death [15:45] <tinkertime> For me - the stone - although the pursuit of living forever just seems wrong to me ...no matter what the method. [15:45] <Aislinn> it was an object to fight over, cbm, that is why it needed to be protected. [15:45] <Synesthesia> ron=spiffy [15:45] <bellablack88> Horcruxes damage your soul [15:45] <fawkes28> i guess all of them are unatural since humans are meant to die [15:45] <GEORISA> do horcrux change your appearance? [15:45] <Rudius> and the halloes makes you the master of death [15:45] <Synesthesia> i can't believe my friend doesn't see how Hermione can love Ron [15:45] <Synesthesia> he's a stand up guy [15:45] <Leela> They are all fought over. [15:45] <mollywobbles23> oh my [15:45] <tinkertime> agree w/ fawkes [15:45] <mollywobbles23> that's sad [15:45] <fawkes28> but the hallows suggest that one wants power, rudi [15:45] <Leela> I was wondering that, too, GEO. [15:45] <ProngsPatronus> let's try to stay with the topic, please [15:45] <mollywobbles23> brb [15:46] <GEORISA> though the horcruxes is the worst one to be immortal [15:46] <bellablack88> the stone is the most innocuous, but i wouldn't want any of them [15:46] <cbm> True, aislinn, I was really thinking of what is needed to aquire it, flamel, just made it [15:46] <Leela> Yes, fawkes, and aren't picky about how you get it. [15:46] <Aislinn> yes, it is less dark than the others, certainly [15:46] <Jartree> Do we know if the sorcerers stone stops you from aging, or from dieing? Big difference [15:46] <Rudius> true, but i think the hallows are just tools that help you to achieve immortality, but you will still need to do something about it [15:46] <Synesthesia> i'm not sure.... [15:46] <Rudius> they dont imbue you with immortality by mere poseesion [15:46] <GEORISA> mean flamel only did it and by the retelling of the story, dumbledore said that he had lived a long time and well was ready to die [15:46] <Synesthesia> but it's a cool metaphor in terms of alchemy. it takes a lot of hard work I imagine to make such a thing. [15:47] <cbm> we know very little about the stone [15:47] <fawkes28> in order to the create the stone, you have to be pure of heart - which says a lot [15:47] <ProngsPatronus> I think that people already possess immortality [15:47] <tinkertime> Famel & his wife died when they stopped using it [15:47] <Leela> I would imagine they all corrupt you all over time. [15:47] <fawkes28> the hallows and be obtained in different ways [15:47] <Aislinn> their souls do, yes, prongs [15:47] <Synesthesia> hence why Voldermort can't make one, he had to try to steal it instead. [15:47] <cbm> I have to go, bye [15:47] <ProngsPatronus> it is physical immortality which is denied humans [15:47] <GEORISA> you make the stone with using your brains then muscle like the horcruxes [15:47] <Leela> Bye [15:47] <Synesthesia> bye [15:47] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [15:47] <Aislinn> and that is the thing that Voldemort completely misunderstood [15:47] <Rudius> see ya cbm [15:47] <ProngsPatronus> bye, cbm [15:47] <Greeneyes15> see ya cbm [15:47] <bibs> as i say you probably die fighting for imortality instead of living a full and happy life [15:47] <bibs> bye [15:48] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> bye cbm [15:48] <Greeneyes15> i agree bibs [15:48] <GEORISA> is flamel the only wizarding alchemist out there? [15:48] <tinkertime> agree w/ Aislinn [15:48] <bibs> horcruxes [15:48] <bibs> are [15:48] <fawkes28> dumbledore was one too [15:48] <bibs> rwrong [15:48] <Leela> Was there ever more than one Stone? [15:48] <fawkes28> but now both he and flamel are dead [15:48] <Rudius> its a wierd dichtonomy - while you fight for immortality you dont truly live [15:48] <bibs> hmmm [15:48] <GEORISA> true [15:48] <Jartree> ya [15:48] <Leela> Didn't it say that Flamel *created* the Stone? [15:48] <fawkes28> at the time of PS/SS, the stone at hogwarts was the only known stone [15:49] <ProngsPatronus> Flamel was the only known alchemist to succeed [15:49] <bcroft919> there is a difference between being alive and truly living [15:49] <GEORISA> why make more [15:49] <Greeneyes15> i think there was only one stone, yes. [15:49] <fawkes28> yes, he is also said to have done so centuries ago in our world [15:49] <Leela> Yes, bcroft, like living for the future rather than accepting what you have and make the most of it. [15:49] <bcroft919> i think immortality destroys your ability to truly live [15:49] <bibs> why did the stone only get hidden in hogwarts at that persific time? [15:49] <tinkertime> I'd say Flamel was not evil - he harmed no one in making/using the Stone, but what did he really gain from such a long life? [15:49] *** bellablack88_ has joined #lounge [15:49] <bcroft919> agree [15:50] <Leela> Life for lifes sake. [15:50] <Jartree> its kind of the "death is the last great journey" arguement [15:50] <GEORISA> why did voldermort wait 11 yrs to go after the stone? [15:50] *** Slipstream00j has joined #lounge [15:50] <fawkes28> no, he could not have been evil if he had created the stone [15:50] <bellablack88_> he had to revive himself before [15:50] <fawkes28> that is why voldemort was not able to create one [15:50] <Leela> GEO - he needed someone to go after it for him. [15:50] <Jartree> He needed the stone to make himself a new body right? [15:50] <bellablack88_> Harry totally destroyed him when he was a baby [15:50] <bibs> imagine living for that long and watching everything die around you - it would be unbarable [15:51] <Jartree> LV was probably satisfied with just the Horcruxes [15:51] <GEORISA> well he had more faithful followers 11yrs ago [15:51] <Rudius> voldemort couldnt use the stone as vapourmort [15:51] <Synesthesia> no, he needed the stone to live longer i guess. [15:51] <Slipstream00j> i'll start with, hello! [15:51] <ProngsPatronus> LV had to get back to a place--with helpers--that he could actually get the stone [15:51] <Synesthesia> he could make a new body with that freaky spell i guess. [15:51] <Leela> Hello. [15:51] <fawkes28> yes, it would bibs - but flamel had his wife [15:51] <bibs> hi [15:51] <Leela> He wouldn't have been able to use the Stone. [15:51] <GEORISA> i understand that, but after losing his bodies, why wait so long? did he not know of the stone? [15:51] <ProngsPatronus> hello, slip [15:51] <mollywobbles23> testing [15:51] <Slipstream00j> hey, James...er...Prongs [15:51] <mollywobbles23> k...it went wonky for a bit [15:51] <ProngsPatronus> the stone was protected before then [15:52] <fawkes28> he knew of it, georisa but he was never able to obtain it [15:52] <Synesthesia> he was sort of a spirit though [15:52] <tinkertime> fawkes - that's true - I guess they had a great marriage! smile [15:52] <fawkes28> voldemort was not pure of heart [15:52] <Synesthesia> possessing snakes [15:52] <fawkes28> lol tinkertime [15:52] <bellablack88_> not at all! [15:52] <Synesthesia> random people [15:52] <GEORISA> oh, then how did dumbledore know that he was after it [15:52] <Synesthesia> he couldn't really... do anything until he found that professor. [15:52] <Rudius> a shrewd guess [15:52] <mollywobbles23> how does DD know half the stuff he does? [15:52] <Leela> DD is all knowing - DD is all seeing! [15:52] *** bellablack88 has quit [Bye] [15:52] <fawkes28> he was trying to get it by stealing it [15:52] <bellablack88_> Snape [15:52] <mollywobbles23> or did [15:52] <Greeneyes15> brb... [15:52] <fawkes28> he would never have been successful at making it [15:52] <GEORISA> one thing i saw was the trio were crazy enough to break into gringotts [15:52] <Synesthesia> he probably didn't know voldermort was after it but he figured it should be kept safe. that's a good question This post has been edited by fawkes28: Jul 29 2007, 03:42 PM |
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[15:53] <Synesthesia> hmmm...
[15:53] <bcroft919> harry wouldve done anything by that point tho [15:53] <Slipstream00j> people seem to be under the impression that LV was a complete genius and new all. He wasn't and he didn't. He was extremely smart, and used those smarts to think of using the stone. [15:53] <Leela> Like Hagrid said - Hogwarts is the safest place to hide something. [15:53] <bellablack88_> his fear clouded his judgement [15:53] <bibs> brb [15:53] <Synesthesia> Voldermort is kind of vaguely stupid actually [15:53] <Rudius> lol [15:53] <bcroft919> yes he is [15:53] <Jartree> He naive [15:53] <GEORISA> voldermort was just arrogant [15:53] <Slipstream00j> i'm not sure how much that helps as I walked in in the middle of the conversation! [15:53] <mollywobbles23> very arrogant [15:53] <GEORISA> he thought he was so powerful [15:53] <Synesthesia> his priorities are screwe dup. why would you want to spend your life looking like that? [15:53] <mollywobbles23> he's like Gaston [15:53] <bellablack88_> he was terrified of death [15:53] <Synesthesia> he missed out on all the good important stuff. [15:53] <bellablack88_> gaston!?! lol [15:54] <mollywobbles23> it just popped into my head [15:54] <Synesthesia> life, love, not looking like a mutant snake. [15:54] <Leela> Slipstream : Just dive right in! [15:54] <ProngsPatronus> The Resurrection Stone was encased in the Gaunt family heirloom, did Salazaar own this Hallow at one point? Did he know what it was and use the stone to communicate with the dead? [15:54] <Slipstream00j> he was powerful and new very much, but the evil inside him and the desire for power clouded his judgement and allowed him to make poor choices [15:54] <Synesthesia> Salazar probably had it, but I doubt he knew what could be done with it. [15:54] <bellablack88_> interesting question... [15:54] <Jartree> It had to have been the stone before it became a ring and heirloom right? [15:54] <GEORISA> sounds like a jedi thing [15:54] <Rudius> how these bad guys survive to propogate the species is beyond me - they remove themselves from the gene pool quite effectively [15:54] *** loopyloonyluna has quit [Ping timeout] [15:54] <bellablack88_> if he put it in a ring he probably knew what it did, right? [15:54] *** IlsesBlueWind has joined #lounge [15:55] <Synesthesia> Marvolo definetly had no idea. [15:55] <Slipstream00j> yes, GEO, but then again...what doesn't? [15:55] <Slipstream00j> lol [15:55] <Leela> I doubt it came through the SLytherin line, but rather the Gaunt line. [15:55] <Jartree> gaunt are from slytherin [15:55] <mollywobbles23> lol...*thinks of Voldemort's entry in the next Darwin Awards book* [15:55] <GEORISA> doesnt the gaunt come from slytherina [15:55] <Synesthesia> lol [15:55] <GEORISA> slytherin [15:55] <Aislinn> I'm not sure it came through the Slytherin line either. [15:55] *** strangecurses has quit [Bye] [15:55] *** strangecurses has joined #lounge [15:55] <bellablack88_> maybe Salazar tried using the stone and that messed him up and made him even more crazy and evil [15:55] <ProngsPatronus> the gaunts were descended from both the peverells and Slytherin [15:55] <GEORISA> true [15:55] <bibs> im back [15:56] <bcroft919> well then it came from the peverrels [15:56] <bcroft919> they were the 3 brothers [15:56] <ProngsPatronus> not necessarily at the same time, either [15:56] <GEORISA> just because they possesed doesnt mean they knew how to use it [15:56] <bellablack88_> i wish she'd written more about Salazar [15:56] <tinkertime> If Salazar knew of the Hallows - then the story about the three brothers pre-dates the founding of Hogwarts...I cannot remember if we are told the timeline for the 3Bros [15:56] <Synesthesia> perhaps she will [15:56] <Jartree> We dont know much about any of the founders [15:56] <GEORISA> in the encyclopedia maybe she will [15:56] <Slipstream00j> yeah, the Gaunts were the last remaining heirs of slytherin. You know, Marvolo Gaunt is Tom Riddles father [15:56] <mollywobbles23> the encyclopedia better have a lot on the Founders [15:56] <bcroft919> i wish we got some more info on the founders though [15:56] <GEORISA> well i think we dont know much about the other 2 houses [15:57] <Synesthesia> none of us will be happy until we know EVERYTHING. [15:57] <Leela> I think Voldemort's mother was the joining of the Gaunt and the Slytherin lines. [15:57] <ProngsPatronus> grandfather, slipstream [15:57] <Synesthesia> no, he was his grandfather... [15:57] <GEORISA> like ravenclaw and hufflepuff [15:57] <Slipstream00j> yeah, sorry [15:57] <Slipstream00j> smile [15:57] <mollywobbles23> especially Hufflepuff [15:57] <mollywobbles23> that makes me sad [15:57] <Synesthesia> naw, they were joined ages ago... [15:57] <bellablack88_> i liked the ghost story about the bloody baron and rowena's daughter [15:57] <GEORISA> i know. wasnt cedric from that house? [15:57] <Synesthesia> and married their cousins a lot which is just disgusting. [15:57] <mollywobbles23> me too, bella [15:57] *** brainlair has joined #lounge [15:57] <mollywobbles23> yes [15:57] <GEORISA> why did she write abut incest [15:58] <GEORISA> disgusting [15:58] <bibs> did any oe think zacharias smith was a decendant of hepzibeth [15:58] <ProngsPatronus> synesthesia, royakls have been doing that for centuries [15:58] <Jartree> blood stuff [15:58] <Synesthesia> that's what blue bloods do though [15:58] <Slipstream00j> Didn't they marry cousins to keep their blood pure, not because of love? [15:58] <ProngsPatronus> *royals [15:58] <GEORISA> how? [15:58] <bellablack88_> back in the old days incest wasn't uncommon at all [15:58] <mollywobbles23> just look at the royals [15:58] <Jartree> pure-bloods would do whatever it takes apparently [15:58] <Synesthesia> marry their cousins, marry their uncles, they do that in parts of africa too, but that is off topic [15:58] <mollywobbles23> and other cultures today [15:58] <IlsesBlueWind> that's icky [15:58] <Synesthesia> it's so nasty! [15:58] <mollywobbles23> that's how it goes [15:58] <Synesthesia> ew [15:58] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Ping timeout] [15:59] <Jartree> in some african countries if your brother dies you inherit his wives [15:59] <bellablack88_> yeah i've heard of that [15:59] <Jartree> and yes wives is not a typo [15:59] <Leela> Did Gaunt say he was the heir of Slytherin? I forget. [15:59] <Slipstream00j> from Harry Potter to Cultures...excellent transition [15:59] <Slipstream00j> smile [15:59] <IlsesBlueWind> what does this have to do with harry potter? [15:59] <mollywobbles23> he implies it [15:59] <bellablack88_> good question leela [15:59] <ProngsPatronus> do you think Slytherin married into the peverell line? [15:59] <GEORISA> probably [15:59] <Rudius> boy im suddenly glad i have no brithyers [15:59] <pthree> could have [15:59] <Rudius> *brothers [15:59] <Synesthesia> it does have something to do with it.... [15:59] <Synesthesia> probably. [15:59] <Leela> I was under the impression he *married* the heir to Slytherin and just took on the persona. [15:59] <IlsesBlueWind> but the actual peverell name line died out [16:00] <bellablack88_> i need a huge, complete harry potter family tree chart. jkr has to get on that right now! [16:00] <Jartree> I like to think the peverall's were long before the slytherins and hogwarts [16:00] <Synesthesia> hmm. a family tree should be included in the encyclopedia i think. [16:00] <mollywobbles23> I don't know if Slytherin did, but I'm sure one of his descendants did [16:00] <GEORISA> where can i view the family tree? [16:00] *** Slipstream00j_ has joined #lounge [16:00] *** Slipstream00j has quit [Bye] [16:00] <fawkes28> well, she going to give us that enclyclopedia that we wanted [16:00] <Synesthesia> then they kept having girls who married into the slytherin family, then the gaunts... [16:00] <pthree> the only family tree i've seen with any type of details in the black family tree [16:00] <Rudius> i think its Slytherin - Peverell - Gunt [16:00] <IlsesBlueWind> i'm fairly more concerned with harry's story [16:00] <mollywobbles23> I found one on deviantart the other day...don't know how accurate it is [16:00] <brainlair> He says it in book six that he was descended from Slytherin [16:00] <tinkertime> so much for Jo taking a break smile [16:00] <GEORISA> oh oh [16:00] <ProngsPatronus> try the lexicon, georisa [16:00] <IlsesBlueWind> not really with the peverell and gaunt lines [16:00] <Leela> They all intermarried so much that there are no more Gryffindors, of Hufflepuffs, etc. [16:01] <bellablack88_> how long ago was Hogwarts founded? [16:01] <ProngsPatronus> or they are ALL gryffindors, hufflepuffs, etc [16:01] <Synesthesia> thousands of years [16:01] <IlsesBlueWind> a thousand years ago [16:01] <Leela> Roughly 1000 years ago [16:01] <mollywobbles23> 1000 years? [16:01] <fawkes28> 1000 years afo, bella [16:01] <bibs> f [16:01] <Synesthesia> probably during the witch hunts [16:01] <bellablack88_> gracias [16:01] <IlsesBlueWind> at least according to the sorting hat [16:01] <Synesthesia> back in miedevel times. [16:01] <Synesthesia> i hate that stupid word [16:01] *** AmberD has quit [Bye] [16:01] *** AmberD has joined #lounge [16:01] <Rudius> lol [16:01] *** AmberD has quit [Bye] [16:01] <bibs> sorry i had to check this was working it went funny [16:01] <ProngsPatronus> somewhere between 950-1000, hogwarts founding [16:02] <brainlair> Can you tell me more about the Trace that was on Harry when they apparated to london? [16:02] <Rudius> that wasnt a trace [16:02] <ProngsPatronus> the witch hunts started a little later [16:02] <mrsfiggforever> it was because they said Voldemort [16:02] <ProngsPatronus> in the 1100s [16:02] <Synesthesia> Harry said Voldermort [16:02] <bibs> so sart [16:02] <Rudius> they had put a Taboo on "Voldemort" [16:02] <brainlair> No, this is when they leave the wdding [16:02] <bibs> smart [16:02] <brainlair> wedding [16:02] <bellablack88_> Harry was so stupid when he said it again and Fenrir came for them!! I cursed when he did that! [16:02] <pthree> was it more on harry or was it a trace to see who said voldemort [16:02] <mollywobbles23> they said Voldemort [16:02] <mollywobbles23> someone did [16:02] <mollywobbles23> hang on...*consults book* [16:02] <GEORISA> well at least he rescued luna and ollivanders [16:03] <bellablack88_> true [16:03] <mrsfiggforever> to anyone who said Voldemort [16:03] <Slipstream00j_> I wondered if it would have been safer to refer to him as Riddle? [16:03] <brainlair> No before that when Dolohov found them [16:03] <fawkes28> Remember, to stay on the topic of the questions that we ask. smile [16:03] <ProngsPatronus> What did you think of the scene with the Resurrection Stone in the Forbidden Forest? [16:03] <mrsfiggforever> of course, no trace was placed for Riddle [16:03] <bellablack88_> I cried! a lot [16:03] <Synesthesia> AWESOME SCENE! [16:03] <strangecurses> made me tear up [16:03] <Rudius> maybe thats why he did call him "Riddle" in the last battle [16:03] <Leela> I cried. [16:03] <Synesthesia> so chilling and good and fantastic! [16:03] <pthree> very sad [16:03] <bellablack88_> why wasn't Tonks there? [16:03] <Aislinn> it was so incredibly moving [16:03] <Synesthesia> BRAVE [16:03] <Leela> Had to stop reading the book! [16:03] <Jartree> Best chapter next to the Prince's Tale [16:03] <Synesthesia> he was so brave! [16:03] <GEORISA> i wondered why lily james sirius and lupin looked norman [16:03] <fawkes28> this was the scene that made Jo sob, I believe [16:03] <Synesthesia> and the way his family surrounded him, and how proud they were of him. [16:04] <Slipstream00j_> sad, awesome, perfect, entirely needed, couldn't have been better, brave, selfless....the greatest and most emotional chapter [16:04] <Leela> She wasn't as close to Harry as Lupin. [16:04] <ProngsPatronus> it made me cry, too [16:04] <GEORISA> in the story it said that the girl wasnt happy to be there [16:04] <strangecurses> Harry wasn't as close to Tonks as he was to Sirius, mum dad and Lupin [16:04] <Slipstream00j_> to sum it all up...WOW [16:04] <Synesthesia> surrounding him with love as he got ready. [16:04] <bellablack88_> I loved when he got to "drink in" the sight of his mother [16:04] <IlsesBlueWind> that was my favorite chap [16:04] <mollywobbles23> Hermione says: "WE know what's going on! Voldemort's taken over the Ministry,..." [16:04] <tinkertime> One of my favorites in the book - I also think that it was really important that Harry dropped the Stone BEFORE the Voldy AK - he faced him alone. [16:04] <IlsesBlueWind> definately the greatest [16:04] <bibs> who criei love lupin [16:04] <Rudius> I think Harry chose who he wanted to call, and decided on the marauders and his mom [16:04] <mollywobbles23> a few lines down, the DEs enter the diner [16:04] <bellablack88_> good point tinkertime [16:04] <IlsesBlueWind> i cried so much [16:04] <Jartree> I believe Jo said she didnt wasnt effected at all while she wrote it, but once she was done she was crying for the rest of the day [16:04] <Leela> When Harry asks them if they'll stay with him, ah! [16:04] <fawkes28> this chapter was part of his hero's journey - he got to speak to those he lost [16:04] <IlsesBlueWind> i cried when i reread that [16:04] <Aislinn> it was the only thing that made me feel even remotely ok about Lupin - it was clear he was glad to be reunited with his friends. [16:04] <IlsesBlueWind> i love when sirius said "we are part of you- invisible to everyone else" [16:05] <GEORISA> it was sorta tear jerking [16:05] <fawkes28> yes, he was happy [16:05] <mollywobbles23> that whole chapter was wonderful [16:05] <fawkes28> although we were sobbing [16:05] <Synesthesia> it was... [16:05] <bibs> im cryng again [16:05] <Slipstream00j_> i didn't get that...he asked if they'd stay, but then they leave? [16:05] <Leela> I wasn't tear jerking, I was ALL OUT crying. [16:05] <ProngsPatronus> that was his true family [16:05] <GEORISA> i was shocked [16:05] <IlsesBlueWind> i was SOBBING [16:05] <mollywobbles23> he dropped the ring [16:05] <Synesthesia> all of the maurauders were gone... :o( [16:05] <GEORISA> happy [16:05] <GEORISA> sad [16:05] <Leela> He dropped the stone. [16:05] <tinkertime> Poor Lupin - he had a really tough life [16:05] <Rudius> he dropped the stone [16:05] <Aislinn> they were inside of him [16:05] *** brainlair has quit [Bye] [16:05] <Synesthesia> i wasn't sobbing, but i was moved anyway [16:05] <mollywobbles23> yes [16:05] <Slipstream00j_> yeah...but why did hedrop it...thanks Aislinn [16:05] <Leela> I felt so sorry for Lupin. [16:05] <GEORISA> why didnt he chose dumbldore? [16:05] <bellablack88_> they'll stay with him forever no matter what [16:05] <Synesthesia> them being with him where ever they go. [16:05] <Jartree> I wonder when Lupin and Tonks died, and if they died before Harry used the stone would he have seen them as well? [16:05] <Synesthesia> he goes [16:05] *** brainlair has joined #lounge [16:05] <mollywobbles23> exactly [16:05] <IlsesBlueWind> he saw lupin [16:06] <IlsesBlueWind> not tonks [16:06] <Leela> Harry apologizes to him and he just says, 'It's ok, Harry.' [16:06] <bibs> im getting my computter wet with tears [16:06] <mollywobbles23> you don't need a stone to look beyond the veil, just your heart [16:06] <IlsesBlueWind> she wasn't a parental figure [16:06] <bellablack88_> yes, molly [16:06] <Aislinn> yes, molly [16:06] <GEORISA> heart [16:06] *** PrincessPickledOnion has joined #lounge [16:06] <Aislinn> beautifully put smile [16:06] <mollywobbles23> smile [16:06] <Aislinn> hi PrincessPickledOnion [16:06] <pthree> very true [16:06] <ProngsPatronus> hey, PPO [16:06] <bellablack88_> *sobbing* [16:06] <tinkertime> Harry didn't need the support of them in the battle - he knew what to do & he knew he would be joining them [16:06] <bibs> hi [16:06] <PrincessPickledOnion> Heya everyone! biggrin [16:06] <Rudius> hi PPO [16:06] <mollywobbles23> *hugs bella* [16:06] <Leela> My Mom walked into the room and asked what was going on in the book, [16:06] <GEORISA> harry was awesome [16:06] <bellablack88_> thanks molly smile [16:06] <Leela> I couldn't even tell her! [16:07] <PrincessPickledOnion> How are we? [16:07] <bibs> im so glad im not wearing mascara [16:07] <fawkes28> they have always been in harry's heart - but it was one last source of strength for Harry to be able to see them [16:07] <Slipstream00j_> excellent point tinkertime....maybe he wanted them to be waiting for them [16:07] * ProngsPatronus hands around the Cho Chang-sized tissues [16:07] <Leela> I liked how they all looked their best. [16:07] <mollywobbles23> hehe [16:07] <Aislinn> we're talking about the scene when Harry walks into the forest to meet his fate, PPO [16:07] *** sweateraffe has joined #lounge [16:07] <Synesthesia> he went behind the veil without going to the ministry. [16:07] <Slipstream00j_> in fact did he ask them...sorry this is the only book that I've read only once! [16:07] <Jartree> I was reading it at work and it was a pretty big effort not to tear up, and im a grown man [16:07] <Synesthesia> yeah, that was great, when they looked so radiant. [16:07] *** sweateraffe has quit [Bye] [16:07] *** sweateraffe has joined #lounge [16:07] <PrincessPickledOnion> Thanks Aislinn! Pretty spectacular i must admit [16:07] <mollywobbles23> exactly, Synesthesia [16:07] <Synesthesia> aw that's sweet [16:07] <Rudius> Prongs are those left over from the 7/7/7 trial? [16:07] <IlsesBlueWind> it was great that the marauders were reunited [16:08] <GEORISA> it was something..harry so confident [16:08] <ProngsPatronus> they sure are [16:08] <Rudius> lol [16:08] <ProngsPatronus> ;-) [16:08] <Leela> And we knew for sure that Sirius had died. [16:08] <Rudius> im suprised there were any left [16:08] <GEORISA> not afraid, showing no fear... [16:08] <ProngsPatronus> lol [16:08] <bellablack88_> i never doubted he'd died [16:08] <GEORISA> such courage [16:08] <Leela> That jerked at my heart strings. [16:08] <IlsesBlueWind> it made Lupin's death not seem as pointless as it was [16:08] <mollywobbles23> me either [16:08] <Aislinn> he died for a cause, Ilses [16:08] <Synesthesia> they protected him with their love... [16:08] <Aislinn> so it was never pointless [16:08] <brainlair> I wish Dumbledore could have walked with him too [16:08] <ProngsPatronus> Lupin died fighting evil [16:08] <GEORISA> by then, no death seemed pointless [16:08] <IlsesBlueWind> i know he died for a cause [16:08] <Rudius> I felt Lupin was a goner for a long time [16:08] <Leela> And they fact that the four of them knew exactly what was going on with Harry. [16:09] <Synesthesia> that's what makes the story so good! [16:09] *** ReInvention has joined #lounge [16:09] <bellablack88_> it's interesting DD didn't appear [16:09] <ProngsPatronus> a true marauder--not just the survivor [16:09] <Leela> It shows they are with him at all times. [16:09] <PrincessPickledOnion> Aww poor lupin n tonks sad the fact we just saw their bodies upset me most, but it was great to see him with harry [16:09] *** sweateraffe has quit [Bye] [16:09] <GEORISA> just like the other 3 died doing, fighting death [16:09] <Synesthesia> i thought it was satisfying him seeing dumbledore alone... [16:09] <bibs> lupin! (sobbing) [16:09] <IlsesBlueWind> it just seemed pointless that tonks and lupin died just aftertheir kid was born [16:09] <tinkertime> Hero's journey again - he had to go it alone... [16:09] <mollywobbles23> but, he saw Dumbledore at Kings Cross [16:09] <IlsesBlueWind> and that they didn't have a death scene [16:09] <GEORISA> fighting evil sorry [16:09] <mollywobbles23> and I think Harry didn't think of DD the same way anymore [16:09] <Aislinn> it was tragic, definitely [16:09] <Synesthesia> then you get all that awesome true exposition and not rita skeeters distortions. [16:09] <bellablack88_> now harry is godfather of an orphan, like Sirius [16:09] <Rudius> he would never have been able to truly live happily ever after as long as there was a bias againt werewolves [16:09] <Synesthesia> he had doubts in him. [16:09] <PrincessPickledOnion> teddysad [16:09] <Aislinn> right, rudius [16:09] <IlsesBlueWind> but it was so sad that after years of misery [16:09] <bibs> *sobbing* [16:09] <IlsesBlueWind> he found happiness [16:09] <Slipstream00j_> i reread the scene with the final duel with LV, I didn't realize Harry, though not succeeding, did what his mother did. She died protecting Harry, he was ready to die to protect everyone else. That's why LV was so weak and his binding spells wouldn't last! I finally get it! [16:09] <mollywobbles23> at least Andromeda and Teddy had each other [16:10] <mollywobbles23> oh...she raised her husband's namesake [16:10] <Aislinn> it was very sad that none of them were able to really ever live a happy adult life [16:10] *** mollywobbles23 requested CTCP cries from #lounge: [16:10] <IlsesBlueWind> yeah- at first i was confused that harry didn't raise teddy [16:10] <bellablack88_> yay slipstream! smile [16:10] <mollywobbles23> lag [16:10] <IlsesBlueWind> butit makes sense [16:10] <Slipstream00j_> and perhaps why the Crusiatus (or however it's spelled) didn't work on Harry! [16:10] <Slipstream00j_> woohoo! [16:10] <Leela> I like how they warded off the dementors. [16:10] <bellablack88_> yeah slipstream i think that's why [16:10] <Slipstream00j_> i really need to read it again...twice... [16:10] <tinkertime> the sacrafices of that Wizarding generation - mirrors the sacrafices of WW2 vets [16:10] <IlsesBlueWind> i liked how important expelliarmus became [16:10] <strangecurses> well he's a bit young to raise a baby on his own [16:10] <Aislinn> yes, it does tinkertime [16:11] <bellablack88_> i'm glad harry never used the killing curse [16:11] <Slipstream00j_> every book I had read 3 times in a row when I first got them, except this. [16:11] *** sweateraffe has joined #lounge [16:11] <Aislinn> there are so many allusions to aspects of WWII [16:11] <Synesthesia> the warding of the dementor's part was fantastic! [16:11] <tinkertime> the theme of them giving up so much - so we can live in peace [16:11] <bibs> i came hear to cheer my self up and i look like a wreck now [16:11] <Slipstream00j_> and this is the most important one! [16:11] <PrincessPickledOnion> Definitely! It was supposed to be his spell or w/e and it certainly was!:D [16:11] <bellablack88_> i always felt the death eater's crusade was like a genocide [16:11] *** GEORISA has quit [Bye] [16:11] *** ginginkat has joined #lounge [16:11] <ProngsPatronus> yes, Ilses--a mirror of the battle in GoF [16:11] <Jartree> I like that Harry was thinking of Ginny when he "died" [16:11] <Synesthesia> the death eaters are so evil and stupid... [16:11] <bellablack88_> me too jartree [16:11] <Leela> He was truly content (well, as much as he could be) and they couldn't touch him. [16:11] <bcroft919> yes he was [16:12] *** kingsley has joined #lounge [16:12] <kingsley> hey [16:12] <Leela> Hello, kingsley. [16:12] *** seestar has joined #lounge [16:12] <bibs> hey [16:12] <bellablack88_> hi [16:12] <brainlair> HI Kingsley [16:12] <Rudius> hey kinigsley [16:12] <kingsley> hi [16:12] <IlsesBlueWind> hello [16:12] <tinkertime> hey [16:12] <PrincessPickledOnion> Anyone else won over by Narcissa not letting on Harry was alive? I was like, yay even the DE's are revolting (literally) but yey [16:12] <Slipstream00j_> yeah, Jartree, that was great. I was so sad for Ginny. and then when Hagrid is carrying Harry and McGonnagal cried out then Ron and Hermione and Ginny. Call me Niagra Falls [16:12] <mollywobbles23> hey Royal [16:12] <bellablack88_> she wanted to find her son [16:12] <pthree> the whole lupin and tonks remind me of a line from Steel Magnolias I'd rather have a few moments of happiness rather than a lifetime of nothing (something to that effect) so that's exactly what Lupin and Tonks. [16:13] <brainlair> I did like that Narcissa decided to defy Voldy [16:13] <bellablack88_> i thought that was cool, what Narcissa did [16:13] <mollywobbles23> oh...Steel Magnolias [16:13] *** cw91 has joined #lounge [16:13] <kingsley> narcissa was mostly scared for draco [16:13] <mollywobbles23> *cries* [16:13] <PrincessPickledOnion> yeh i know :d agreed [16:13] *** ReInvention has quit [Bye] [16:13] <Synesthesia> yes, narcissa doing that was cool [16:13] <kingsley> but it was nice [16:13] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I love that movie [16:13] <bibs> oh give me a minute to sort my self out and stop my self crying, brb [16:13] <ProngsPatronus> How has unknowingly possessing one of the three Hallows for the past seven years, impacted Harry’s life? [16:13] <bellablack88_> i liked how the malfoys became a little family unit [16:13] <mollywobbles23> me too...I watched it one time soon after I found out I was basically diabetic and I completely lost my mind [16:13] <Leela> Wow, how do we start?! [16:13] <bellablack88_> he would never have succeeded without the cloak, or course [16:13] <kingsley> Well the cloak played a key role in all of Harry's adventures [16:13] <PrincessPickledOnion> definitely bella [16:13] <Jartree> he defidently got away with alot of mishchief (sp?) [16:14] <IlsesBlueWind> did narcissa have any reaction to her sister's death? [16:14] <kingsley> yes [16:14] <mollywobbles23> *is crushed by the heavy question* [16:14] <bellablack88_> Ilses i don't think so [16:14] <Leela> Without, who knows how far he could've gotten. [16:14] <PrincessPickledOnion> lol molly [16:14] <Aislinn> I think that the cloak gave him a confidence to act that he might not have had as readily otherwise [16:14] <cw91> The cloak helped a lot with RoR stuff, and thats where one of the horcruxes was [16:14] <Synesthesia> it did give him one of the best tools ever. [16:14] <Slipstream00j_> I don't think it impacted much. Except for him getting to use it. It meant a lot in the way of invisibility. But apparently he wasn't as weak as Dumbledore on that front. [16:14] <mollywobbles23> I don't think I'll truly get it until I reread the series [16:14] <IlsesBlueWind> the cloak definately helped in his nighttime wanderings [16:14] <bellablack88_> me too molly [16:14] <tinkertime> the fact that he didn't know (which I'm sure DD kept from him) means he could grow-up without having to deal with the implications of having a Hallow [16:14] <Rudius> he wouldn't have survived the tower at any rate [16:14] <kingsley> yeah [16:14] <Synesthesia> it helped them help sirius... [16:14] <ProngsPatronus> it also helped his friends [16:14] <mollywobbles23> But, the cloak did lead him once to a sort of reunion with his parents in PS [16:15] <Slipstream00j_> It helped him sneak up on Voldy, and protect Molly at the end [16:15] <PrincessPickledOnion> I think, in a weird way it's united Harry with more than his own self awareness and self sacrifice... like it links him with his father, the past, and all the adventures with Ron and Hermionesmile [16:15] <Aislinn> which was the key to its use, prongs. [16:15] <ProngsPatronus> Harry wasn't the only one to wear the cloak [16:15] <Synesthesia> so true PPO [16:15] <bellablack88_> right PPO [16:15] <sweateraffe> Hey does anyone know when the jo chat happens [16:15] <Synesthesia> tomorrow [16:15] <kingsley> just imagine if harry didn't have the cloak [16:15] <Leela> There are many things you could take out of the books, but the cloak isn't one of them. [16:15] <fawkes28> well said, PPO [16:15] <mollywobbles23> Monday 2pm BST [16:15] <kingsley> the whole story would get mesed up [16:15] <Synesthesia> and i can't participate as i must work [16:15] <Synesthesia> what time is that eastern time? [16:15] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> If he had known it might have consumed his life and he may have tried to get all three but because he was led through this journey with the goal to kill Voldemort and so many loved ones died fighting for his goal he was able to overlook the temptation of having all the Hallows [16:15] <mollywobbles23> 9am, I believe [16:15] <PrincessPickledOnion> I know! it'd be scary if he didnt! [16:15] <fawkes28> 9 am [16:15] *** sweateraffe has quit [Bye] [16:15] <bellablack88_> i liked how as they all grew up they couldn't all fit under the cloak, which mirrors harry's growing need to be independent, to go it alone (although of course he still relied on this loved ones till the end) [16:16] <Synesthesia> every good point azrael smurf catcher. [16:16] <PrincessPickledOnion> true Azrael [16:16] *** kneazlegirl has joined #lounge [16:16] <Synesthesia> darn, see, i can't join... [16:16] <kingsley> good point bella [16:16] <mollywobbles23> does anyone know the rules of the chat with Jo? [16:16] <mrsfiggforever> 9am eastern? [16:16] *** sweateraffe has joined #lounge [16:16] <Slipstream00j_> You know, that cloak did help him Master death...it allowed him to sneak up on LV, who was in a way the "human" form of death [16:16] <mollywobbles23> yes, eastern [16:16] <Synesthesia> but i will try for tori tickets on friday,. i wonder if she will answer my question [16:16] <bellablack88_> I think if he'd known it was a hallow too early he wouldn't have been mature enough to decide not to pursue them [16:16] <PrincessPickledOnion> definitely Bella - shows that the cloak alone couldnt shield him from his task [16:16] <Synesthesia> so true [16:16] <mollywobbles23> can anyone get in? [16:16] <Jartree> Was the cloak the only one that wasnt marked? I know the stone was marked, I think the wand was, but I dont remember the cloak having a mark at all [16:16] *** sweateraffe has quit [Bye] [16:16] <fawkes28> the cloak is the one that was the best out of the three for the brothers so it is no surprise how good it is for harry [16:16] <PrincessPickledOnion> I often wondered if the cloak would work on Voldie lol [16:16] <mollywobbles23> or would that implode the servers? [16:17] <mollywobbles23> the cloak can't be taken [16:17] *** IlsesBlueWind has quit [Bye] [16:17] <mollywobbles23> not even by Summoning charm [16:17] <bellablack88_> right molly. i'd forgotten that [16:17] <Slipstream00j_> as much as I hate to break topic, is this "Jo Chat" here? [16:17] <PrincessPickledOnion> Unless you class the markings on the cloak side itself Jartree [16:17] <bibs> im back ( not crying any more) [16:17] <mollywobbles23> no [16:17] <mollywobbles23> it's on Bloomsbury [16:17] <PrincessPickledOnion> wb bibs [16:17] <Rudius> wb bibs [16:17] <Slipstream00j_> okay, thanks...sorrysmile [16:18] <mollywobbles23> np [16:18] <Rudius> ok i have a forum to mod [16:18] <bibs> thanks [16:18] <Rudius> see you all later [16:18] <bellablack88_> bye [16:18] <bibs> bye [16:18] <Leela> Bye [16:18] <mollywobbles23> bye [16:18] <PrincessPickledOnion> byee [16:18] <Synesthesia> i want to enter that contest! [16:18] *** Rudius has quit [Bye] [16:18] <mollywobbles23> me too [16:18] <ProngsPatronus> bye, rudius [16:18] <kingsley> who here is going to reread the whole series now? [16:18] <Synesthesia> i want to win it as well, even if it means going to ny [16:18] <Slipstream00j_> alright, g2g. I'd love to stay and chat <- hehe... but I need to reread [16:18] <mollywobbles23> *raises hand* [16:18] <pthree> i need to [16:18] *** huebbe has joined #lounge [16:18] <Synesthesia> I'm already rereading it. [16:18] <bellablack88_> i have to reread [16:18] <Leela> Bye [16:18] <kneazlegirl> Hello [16:18] <Slipstream00j_> have fun all, catch you later [16:18] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Me I intend on rereading the seris [16:18] <mollywobbles23> I'm rereading DH at the moment [16:18] <Synesthesia> i'm reading 5 now, then 6 then 7 then i will start over from the beginning [16:18] <kingsley> i just read DH twice, now I might reread the whole thing [16:18] <bibs> *raises hand* [16:18] <Jartree> Ive already started rereading, halfway through the third [16:18] <mollywobbles23> just so I can make sure I understand everything [16:19] <tinkertime> it's interesting about the spell blocking capabilities [16:19] *** Slipstream00j_ has quit [Bye] [16:19] <kingsley> It's funny noticing how short the first 3 books are [16:19] <pthree> after finishing the last book i feel like there were so many things i missed the first 100 times I've read the books [16:19] <mollywobbles23> it is [16:19] <Synesthesia> i'm just reading from 5-7 because i've reread them the least [16:19] <bibs> i know [16:19] <bellablack88_> they're so light and happy compared to the later ones [16:19] <ProngsPatronus> Who was right about the "best" Hallow - Ron, Harry, or Hermione? [16:19] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Yeah the first 3 books look like nothing compared to the 7th [16:19] <Synesthesia> i devoured by seven a bit too fast. [16:19] <kingsley> Yeah the last ones are really focused in on defeating LV [16:19] <mollywobbles23> I think I've read OOTP the most [16:19] <Synesthesia> Hermione. smart cookie she is [16:19] <kingsley> the first five are life at hogwarts and stuff [16:19] <Jartree> depends on how you define best :P [16:19] <mollywobbles23> it was my favorite for that long stretch of time between it and HBP [16:19] <bellablack88_> Hermione i think [16:19] <PrincessPickledOnion> Hermione - but i'm biased cos i love her biggrin [16:20] <kingsley> which did hermione say, the cloak? [16:20] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Well to follow the moral of the story the 'best' one is the cloak [16:20] <ProngsPatronus> I think the correct answer is "none" [16:20] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yeh i think so [16:20] <mrsfiggforever> mee too synesthesia, I missed completely Tonks and Remus death in the great hall [16:20] <mollywobbles23> yep [16:20] <Leela> Yes, Hermione, but she didn't really believe that, [16:20] <kneazlegirl> We never actually saw the wand do anything too special. [16:20] <kneazlegirl> If you think about it. [16:20] <mollywobbles23> Ron-wand; Harry-stone; Hermione-cloak [16:20] <kingsley> well herimone didnt even believe in the hallows [16:20] <kingsley> to start with at least [16:20] <bcroft919> well DD used it all these years [16:20] <mollywobbles23> no [16:20] <bellablack88_> at first i was inclined to say "none" too, but really the cloak embodies the healthiest approach toward death so it's best i think [16:20] <mrsfiggforever> I almost had a heart attack when harry thuought about it later in the book [16:20] *** bcroft919 has quit [Bye] [16:20] <brainlair> I agree with Hermione, the cloak because I can see it. [16:20] <kneazlegirl> I mean, Grindelwald was defeated while he was using it. [16:20] <bibs> hermione [16:20] <kneazlegirl> Right? [16:20] <mollywobbles23> it takes a leap of faith [16:20] <kingsley> yeah he was [16:20] <Leela> Hermione only said cloak, like we saw that they little piggy who built the house out of bricks is the best, [16:20] <mollywobbles23> she always needs evidence [16:20] <kingsley> so it wasn't all that powerful [16:21] <brainlair> I also kind of agree with Ron because an unbeatable wand would be cool too [16:21] <bellablack88_> but dangerous [16:21] <kingsley> yea I liked how Xeno said she was too narrow [16:21] <ProngsPatronus> however, he was only whole and unblemished when he passed beyond the need for any of them [16:21] <PrincessPickledOnion> Power to Hermy [16:21] <Jartree> having you wand makes you a target [16:21] <bellablack88_> the wand's passed on through bloodshed [16:21] *** huebbe has quit [Bye] [16:21] <PrincessPickledOnion> true prongs [16:21] <kingsley> only if you are stupid with it [16:21] <mollywobbles23> very true Prongs [16:21] <kingsley> dumbledore was the only person who could use it correctly [16:21] *** huebbe has joined #lounge [16:22] <ProngsPatronus> Dumbledore was disarmed by a schoolboy, too [16:22] <tinkertime> Hermione - she's picked the one that is not tainted - I mean the wand is an offensive weapon and the idea of resurrecting the dead - doesn't seem too good either [16:22] <kingsley> lol [16:22] <Leela> However, I think Harry's want for 'his' Hallow was the most pure and the strongest. [16:22] <brainlair> You don't have to tell people you have the wand [16:22] <kingsley> Well harry never even met his parents I'm sure it was a very attractive thought [16:22] <bellablack88_> But Harry needed to realize eventually that you have to live for the living, not the dead [16:22] <mollywobbles23> Ron wanted to be famous, Harry wanted to see those he's lost, and Hermione's logical [16:22] <kingsley> yes dumbledore told him to have pity for the living and not the dead [16:22] <Leela> Ron wanted the wand for superficial reasons. [16:22] <mollywobbles23> yes [16:22] <bellablack88_> I liked that line, kingsley [16:23] <mollywobbles23> about the pity [16:23] <PrincessPickledOnion> that;s true tinkertime, i think that even if i could speak to the ones i love that arent here anymore - it'd hurt me more to know i can never have them back properly than to bring them back at all [16:23] <bellablack88_> Ron always was rather superficial [16:23] <kingsley> ya there were good lines in the book [16:23] <Synesthesia> he does tend to be that way... [16:23] <Jartree> So the ring is more of a curse than a blessing [16:23] <Leela> I agree, bella. [16:23] <kneazlegirl> Were they actually the people who died, or could it have been more like representations of those people from Harry's mind? [16:23] <bellablack88_> yes jartree i think so [16:23] <mollywobbles23> I think Ron wanting the wand was just his insecurities rearing their heads [16:23] <PrincessPickledOnion> i think so jartree [16:23] <tinkertime> and resurrecting - seems sort of "Pet Cemetery"-ish to me [16:23] <Leela> But I think, out of the three, he is the purest. [16:23] <fawkes28> Ron is smart - just sometimes less mature then the others [16:23] *** khartley535 has joined #lounge [16:24] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [16:24] <mollywobbles23> that will make anyone slower at maturation [16:24] <bellablack88_> kind of related to your question kneaslegirl: remember when dumbledore said about the king's cross scene something like "it's in your mind but that doesn't mean it's not real" so cool [16:24] <kingsley> yeah the locket showed his insecurities [16:24] <Synesthesia> that is true. he does have such a safe environment [16:24] <kneazlegirl> Yeah, true. [16:24] <PrincessPickledOnion> i agree with JKR - she said ron's easy to love - which is true [16:24] <mollywobbles23> I love Ron [16:24] <kingsley> well ron is a funny outgoing kid [16:24] <bellablack88_> i never really liked ron...i'm a bad person.. [16:24] <Synesthesia> unlike herimione being independent at an early age in a way, and harry being forced to mature. [16:24] <kingsley> how can you not like him [16:24] <Synesthesia> Ron is spiffy. [16:24] *** khartley535 left #lounge [Leaving] [16:25] <bellablack88_> he annoys me [16:25] <Synesthesia> i just don't see how my friend can't get it... [16:25] <Synesthesia> i can get it... [16:25] *** strangecurses has quit [Bye] [16:25] <kingsley> it's funny seeing how different hermione was at the start [16:25] <PrincessPickledOnion> lol bella - he was funny but i like hermione she reminds me of me :P [16:25] *** strangecurses has joined #lounge [16:25] <Synesthesia> he annoys me at times too, but he's still cool. [16:25] <kneazlegirl> Ron had some really funny lines in DH. [16:25] <bibs> ron some times goes against hos better judgement but comes through in the end [16:25] <mollywobbles23> Hermione left her family for a new adventure, Harry never really had any family, and Ron's went with him to school [16:25] *** huebbe has quit [Bye] [16:25] *** huebbe has joined #lounge [16:25] <PrincessPickledOnion> cough cough "are you menttal?" [16:25] <strangecurses> love Ron [16:25] *** tanyal33 has joined #lounge [16:25] <kingsley> lol [16:25] <mollywobbles23> hehe [16:25] <mollywobbles23> love that line [16:25] <cw91> I didn't really feel as much affection for Luna as most people until we saw her room, that made me a Luna fan through and through [16:25] <kingsley> that was a good one [16:25] <Synesthesia> Ron's just been bullied a bit and outshone by his brothers, but he has such a good moments of being brave. [16:25] <bibs> "oi theres a war going on [16:25] <mollywobbles23> the prodigal sone returns [16:25] <kingsley> I know her room was really sad [16:25] <Synesthesia> Luna is just awesome. [16:25] <mollywobbles23> son* [16:26] <bellablack88_> i love luna b/c she's so openminded and honest and direct [16:26] <Synesthesia> i loved the paintings, that was so sweet [16:26] <bellablack88_> oh yeah the paintings!! [16:26] <Synesthesia> luna reminds me of me... [16:26] <kingsley> yeah her honesty is what sets her apart [16:26] <Synesthesia> she's so out there. i love that. [16:26] <bellablack88_> she has a special connection with harry, actually [16:26] <mollywobbles23> I had a bit of a "that's a little creepy" moment with the Luna paintings [16:26] <kingsley> lol [16:26] <bellablack88_> she understood him when no one else did [16:26] <Jartree> one of a kind defidently [16:26] <kneazlegirl> Luna should have had a bigger role. [16:26] <PrincessPickledOnion> did anyone else feels weird when they first arrived and he said luna was there but she never came? I did - my spine was tingling like mad [16:26] <cw91> i felt Xeno totally betrayed her, though... he seemed kinda like a jerk. i know he was under pressure, but still! [16:26] <strangecurses> Luna's completly mental and I love that in a person [16:26] <kingsley> yeah so should have ginny [16:26] <Synesthesia> she understood how he felt in book 5 [16:26] <mollywobbles23> Luna had a bigger role than Ginny [16:26] *** jlgreer1 has joined #lounge [16:26] <bellablack88_> i wanted luna and neville to be husband and wife [16:27] <Synesthesia> Xeno was scared though... [16:27] <mollywobbles23> plot-wise [16:27] <PrincessPickledOnion> agreed on both luna and ginny [16:27] <Synesthesia> i rather liked him... [16:27] <huebbe> * [16:27] <kingsley> I know, rereading the Xeno part was sad [16:27] <mollywobbles23> Maybe they will be [16:27] <PrincessPickledOnion> considering we know how strong ginny was becoming [16:27] <cw91> he just ticked me off [16:27] <Synesthesia> he was telling the truth about harry... [16:27] <tinkertime> bella - Jo hasn't ruled that out [16:27] <Synesthesia> and so they cornered him. [16:27] <mollywobbles23> didn't Jo open the door on N/L? [16:27] <kingsley> he wants his daughter but he has to give up harry [16:27] <bellablack88_> oh good! [16:27] <ProngsPatronus> What do you think of Dumbledore’s role with the three Deathly Hallows? [16:27] <kingsley> well what was that with LUna and Dean? [16:27] <cw91> but his daughter was fighting for the exact opposite thing [16:27] <Synesthesia> she says he and luna would ntoi be good together... Nevelle is a bit scared of Luna. [16:27] <Leela> Instrumental. [16:27] <Synesthesia> role? [16:27] <Synesthesia> im [16:28] <Synesthesia> hmmm [16:28] *** strangecurses has quit [Bye] [16:28] <Jartree> Greedy [16:28] <bellablack88_> DD wanted them selfishly, for a while [16:28] <kingsley> Luna and Dean were holding hands and stuf at the end [16:28] *** jlgreer1 left #lounge [] [16:28] <PrincessPickledOnion> Mysterious [16:28] <Synesthesia> it's interesting how he knew about them, but just gae out hints. [16:28] <Leela> If it wasn't for him, they never would have had any idea about the Hallows. [16:28] <bellablack88_> he wanted power, glory. [16:28] <brainlair> I love that he wanted the hallows. It made him more of a normal person [16:28] <kingsley> Dumbledore wanted them only as a teen [16:28] <fawkes28> I am still surprised that DD chose to pursue this path [16:28] <bellablack88_> i agree with brainlair [16:28] <kingsley> yeah, he was almost like this perfect godly figure [16:28] <Synesthesia> yes, that was interesting how ambitious he was... how if he hadn't straighted himself up, he'd be like voldermort. [16:28] <cw91> Dumbledore was so selfish, and I thought that was important for his character. He wasn't entirelt perfect and all knowing [16:28] <Aislinn> no, he fatally wounded himself through his desire for the stone, kingsley [16:28] <bibs> it showed he was humen and could be tempted [16:28] <mollywobbles23> yeah...he took the EW from Grindewald because he was getting out of hand [16:28] <kingsley> then you see this and it is shocking [16:28] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Yeah I was glad to see Dumbledore's mistakes it made him more realistic [16:28] <Synesthesia> thats what made the story better. [16:28] <tinkertime> I may be in the minority - but I really liked the twists to his character - he is so much more real - and his battles against Voldy are so much more personal [16:28] <kingsley> oh yeah aislinn [16:29] <kingsley> forgot [16:29] <mollywobbles23> and people begged him to duel G [16:29] <ginginkat> DD seemed greedy at first but later realized their effects could be harmful. [16:29] <bellablack88_> i love DD the most in this book [16:29] <Aislinn> I wouldn't call him "so selfish" though, cw91 [16:29] <kneazlegirl> It's weird to re-read with what we know now about DD [16:29] <Leela> I wonder what it would have taken for him to try and use them. [16:29] <Aislinn> Most of his actions remained focused on what was good for the larger community [16:29] <Jartree> Human [16:29] <kingsley> wait, why does everyone call him "DD" [16:29] <Synesthesia> especially when you realize how much RS distorted everything, not understanding what he had gone through. i was glad i got to know more about that scene in book 6 [16:29] <mollywobbles23> Oh, I love the fact that we got to know DD as a person and not just the wise old wizard [16:29] *** huebbe has quit [Bye] [16:29] <PrincessPickledOnion> true Aislinn - and his redemption to us is knowing how much he cares for muggles now when he could so easily hate them for what happened to his sister [16:29] <kingsley> I only see one D in his name [16:29] <kneazlegirl> Dumble...Dore. [16:29] <Leela> He had access to all three. [16:29] <Aislinn> DumbleDore [16:29] <bellablack88_> lol [16:29] <cw91> back then he was, but he got on the right path. thats why he declined the ministry job [16:29] <kingsley> o lol my bad [16:29] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Hahahahaha [16:29] <kingsley> I'm a little slow today [16:29] <Synesthesia> yes, that showed he had maturity. [16:30] <Aislinn> yes, PPO, exactly [16:30] <Synesthesia> i wonder if he ever got to have a family. [16:30] <ProngsPatronus> he still desired the Hallows [16:30] <Synesthesia> it's so sad to think of him turning 150 years old without having a wife and kids. [16:30] <Jartree> seems obvious no to me Synesthesia [16:30] <ProngsPatronus> that never went away [16:30] <pthree> everyone at some point in thier life has learned from their mistakes and I think Dumbledore did just that [16:30] <bibs> as i say - imortality can kill - and dd died as a result of one hallow [16:30] <Leela> I think he did want to use them, but was afraid of the consequenses. [16:30] <bellablack88_> what do you mean he still wanted them? [16:30] <mollywobbles23> exactly, pthree [16:30] <cw91> where did the husbands&wives of teachers thing some in? [16:30] *** tanyal33 has quit [Bye] [16:30] <tinkertime> He is flawed - and that makes him more human - he also knows what mistakes he made & it makes more sense why he treated harry the way he did throughout the series [16:30] <PrincessPickledOnion> maybe he didnt want to put them in a situation where he put magical teaching before them - like his sister and brother [16:30] <Aislinn> that is not what we are talking about rright now, cw91 [16:30] <bellablack88_> Yeah, he accepted death because he knew to fight it would be foolish [16:30] <brainlair> Yeah tinkertime, i agree [16:31] <Leela> Even after he grew up, he was still obsess in some way. [16:31] <ProngsPatronus> he couldn't believe that he had the cloak--and his desire to use the stone killed him [16:31] *** brainlair has quit [Bye] [16:31] <kingsley> well you have to be [16:31] <kingsley> growing up and wondering about the DH like that and then having them so close to you as an adult [16:31] <kneazlegirl> True, he never gave up on finding the hallows from when he was 17 to 150+ [16:31] <Leela> Otherwise, he would have had no interest in the cloak. [16:31] <Leela> Or the ring. [16:31] <Synesthesia> i think seeing his flaws made me love hs character more. [16:31] <bibs> i pityed dd almost [16:31] <ProngsPatronus> he may have mastered his weakness for power, but he never mastered his weakness for the hallows [16:31] <PrincessPickledOnion> 'and what is death except the next adventure?' [16:31] <tinkertime> yes, Prongs - he had that inner battle up until the end - it is what killed him [16:31] <Synesthesia> because he could have turned into Grindelwald, he could have turned evil... [16:31] <bellablack88_> and seeing DD's flaws made Harry's exceptional characteristics stand out [16:31] <Synesthesia> e could have gone on and on about the greater good and joined Voldermort and wanted to rule muggles. [16:31] *** acstew32 has joined #lounge [16:32] <Aislinn> yes, prongs, but I think his reason for wanting that particular one was different than it was in his youth. [16:32] <Synesthesia> but he didn't,. and it's true that it makes Harry look stronger than him [16:32] <Jartree> agreed bella [16:32] <Synesthesia> it was heartbreaking the way he was crying at king's cross [16:32] <Leela> He was a lot like Galadriel in LotR: He wanted the power, but he knew what the costs would be. [16:32] <ProngsPatronus> I think he wanted to see his mother and sister [16:32] <mollywobbles23> I think DD knew Harry was stronger than him [16:32] <kingsley> yes at tthe end, DD said harry was the better man [16:32] <Aislinn> not just look stronger - Harry was the more pure, morally. [16:32] <bellablack88_> oh yes it was Synesthesia [16:32] <Synesthesia> about what a terrible person he was compared to Harry [16:32] <ProngsPatronus> yes--his blood was more valuable [16:32] <PrincessPickledOnion> agreed Aislinn. Same want, different reason. Makes all the difference [16:32] <mollywobbles23> "I am not worried Harry. I am with you." [16:32] <bellablack88_> yes molly! good line! [16:32] <Jartree> DD looking up to Harry, nice image there [16:32] <PrincessPickledOnion> aaawww mollysad [16:32] <bellablack88_> wow [16:33] <mollywobbles23> this book makes that line more than a nice sentiment [16:33] <Aislinn> it does [16:33] <bellablack88_> so true [16:33] <PrincessPickledOnion> true [16:33] <ProngsPatronus> for DD, it was the literal truth [16:33] <Leela> DD knew that Harry would use them for their true purpose. [16:33] <tinkertime> yes- he tells Harry that he is the better man - because he never sought out power [16:33] <bibs> at least he went for hallows more than horcruxes [16:33] <Synesthesia> it was sad how he had set things up from the very beginning with Harry [16:33] <ProngsPatronus> aren't they related, though? [16:33] *** brainlair has joined #lounge [16:33] *** NCSUCarrie has joined #lounge [16:33] <Synesthesia> realizing what he had to put harry through... the guilt... [16:33] <kneazlegirl> He never gave up on the "greater good" idea either [16:33] <bellablack88_> i was expecting he's set it all up, yet when i read it i couldn't believe it [16:33] <ProngsPatronus> they both give into something beyond the mortal purview [16:34] <fawkes28> he was right about that, tinkertime [16:34] <Leela> But I still wonder why he wanted Harry to go after the Hallows. [16:34] <mollywobbles23> sidenote about horcruxes: I'm so happy with the way they were destroyed [16:34] <Synesthesia> the love he had for him, the lives that were effected by what he had to do as well. [16:34] <kneazlegirl> But he did change his idea of what the greater good was. [16:34] <Synesthesia> to keep them way from voldermort at least? [16:34] <bellablack88_> explain kneaslegirl? [16:34] <Synesthesia> to give him some sort of tool to use and to make an interesting story? [16:34] <Leela> But Voldemort had no idea they existed. [16:34] <Jartree> perhaps it was another one of DD's tests [16:34] <Leela> Only that they wand was the Master Wand. [16:34] <kneazlegirl> Well, when he was friends with Grindelwald their idea of the "greater good" was having wizards rule over muggles [16:34] <kingsley> True, LV never heard the children's stories like harry [16:34] <Synesthesia> i reckon, but he was smart enough to find out eventually once his wand didn't work. [16:34] <ProngsPatronus> no, he didn't, did he--but he changed its focus [16:34] <bellablack88_> true kneazlegirl This post has been edited by fawkes28: Jul 29 2007, 04:12 PM |
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[16:35] <kneazlegirl> But later on, it became having to let Harry die in order to defeat Voldie.
[16:35] <tinkertime> DD even says he was unworthy to unite the DHs - he knew he wasn't the right man for the job - in the end.... [16:35] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I think seeing the mistakes DD made at the same age of Harry not making those mistakes showed that no matter what the age is you can make that mistake. Age doesn't make a difference on whether or not you should be able to tell good from evil (ok with the exception of like a 3 month old baby) [16:35] <PrincessPickledOnion> i liked the fact that Voldie and Harry were on equal grounds where the hallows were concerned seeing as neither understood their full extent until later - voldemort went for the wand where as harry knew better i s'pose [16:35] <Leela> But he wasn't so smart that he understood that Snape didn't kill DD. [16:35] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [16:35] <Aislinn> hi cloudpic! [16:35] <fawkes28> right kneazelgirl - he was going to have harry die for the same purpose - for the greater good [16:35] <Leela> Hello [16:35] <PrincessPickledOnion> nice point azral [16:35] <bibs> hi [16:35] <cloudpic> goodafternoon [16:35] <PrincessPickledOnion> hey cloudpic [16:35] <Synesthesia> voldermort doesn't understand love and feelings at all [16:35] <Synesthesia> (typical RAD child that he is) [16:35] <PrincessPickledOnion> **azrael [16:35] <ProngsPatronus> heya, cloudpic! [16:36] <bibs> its night in england# [16:36] <kingsley> well LV grew up parentless [16:36] <Leela> True, only self-preservation. [16:36] <bellablack88_> he said that Snape "desired" Lily, nothing more. so wrong [16:36] <kingsley> so it is cool comparing him and harry [16:36] * cloudpic waves to all [16:36] <bellablack88_> hi [16:36] <bibs> i hope they dated [16:36] <mollywobbles23> Anyone think that DD gave Hermione that book so Harry would learn that he already had the best hallow? And that the only reason he gave Harry the ring (which could only be opened if Harry had accepted his death) so Harry could speak to those he lost before he died? [16:36] <PrincessPickledOnion> agreed bella. like she was something obtainable at anytime [16:36] *** acstew32 has quit [Bye] [16:36] <kingsley> I thought he gave hermione the book to make her think it was nothing more than a story [16:36] *** brainlair has quit [Bye] [16:36] <bellablack88_> LV objectifies everyone! [16:36] <kingsley> and therefore slow down harry [16:36] <Leela> Maybe that's the only reason he told Harry about the Hallows. [16:36] <cloudpic> I think, mollywobbles, that you are right [16:36] <PrincessPickledOnion> yep. i'm up for that molly [16:37] <Aislinn> I think he gave her the book so that Harry would learn of the Hallows [16:37] <Leela> So he could have the strength of his loved ones at the time of his death. [16:37] <bellablack88_> oh yeah kingsley good point [16:37] <pthree> i've never underston why DD does half the things he does.smile [16:37] <Synesthesia> makes sense [16:37] <Aislinn> but slowly. [16:37] <kneazlegirl> I was surprised that the rong was still useable after DD "destroyed" it to kill the horcrux. [16:37] <mollywobbles23> and he probably hoped that Snape would get the wand, to keep it out of Voldy's hands just in case. [16:37] <kneazlegirl> *ring [16:37] <Synesthesia> he's clever and smart, but so flawed at times... [16:37] <bibs> lv underestimates youth - his bigest down fall [16:37] <mollywobbles23> but, then Draco came along [16:37] <kingsley> lol Draco he was so strange in this book [16:37] <Leela> Yes, he didn't think that Draco would get so far. [16:37] <kingsley> at his mansion he wasn't even willing to look at harry [16:37] <kneazlegirl> Draco really did nothing [16:37] <bellablack88_> he was messed up [16:38] <Jartree> Draco was really torn [16:38] <cloudpic> Draco was so.... uncomfortable in this book [16:38] <PrincessPickledOnion> i felt for the malfoys [16:38] <kingsley> yeah [16:38] <bellablack88_> he was a broken boy [16:38] <tinkertime> DD was always working for the "Greater Good" but his definition of what that meant changed as he aged [16:38] <bellablack88_> they were all broken [16:38] <mollywobbles23> Draco could have identified them at Malfoy Manor. But he didn't. [16:38] <cw91> I thought darco would be doing a bit more here [16:38] <ProngsPatronus> but that is the mistake that LV made--he thought that by killing DD, that Snape was the inheritor of the wand [16:38] <cloudpic> LOL... Princess Pickled Onion... who would have thought we'd ever fee that way!? [16:38] *** Aquamarine has joined #lounge [16:38] <kingsley> I know I really thought that once Draco saw them, it was over [16:38] <Aquamarine> Hey all! [16:38] <kingsley> hey [16:38] <Leela> Hello [16:38] *** BebhinnNiamh has joined #lounge [16:38] <bibs> hi [16:38] <tinkertime> hullo [16:38] <PrincessPickledOnion> i know cloudpic! Shocking! I actually howled at snape's death and his memories!! [16:38] <fawkes28> he was mistaken to trust, Snape [16:38] <Aquamarine> Sorry I'm so late, what are we talking about? [16:39] <BebhinnNiamh> hi all [16:39] <mollywobbles23> I loved it when Ron punched Draco and that wonderful line... [16:39] <Aquamarine> hey [16:39] <bellablack88_> that whole lack of understanding on Voldermorts part which led to his failure to get the wand is so great. totally underlines his lack of comprehension when it comes to love. ahh jkr is so smart [16:39] <Synesthesia> ppor snape... [16:39] <bibs> i expected draco to be dead by chapter 5 [16:39] <Jartree> Ya molly that was great [16:39] <kingsley> I know Snape was one the best thought out characters [16:39] <bellablack88_> i thought it was admirable when draco tried to save goyle though [16:39] <Aquamarine> Bibs, so did John Noe [16:39] <Jartree> and when they were in the room and Ron said he would kill Harry if they died saving Draco and Goyl [16:39] <mollywobbles23> At first I thought the figure hanging over the table in the first chapter was Draco [16:39] <bibs> oh my god did he [16:39] <kneazlegirl> John was right about Mr. Blood! [16:39] <cloudpic> Yes, Draco had changed [16:39] <ProngsPatronus> If Harry had chosen to search for Hallows over Horcruxes, how would the outcome of the story have been different? [16:39] <PrincessPickledOnion> i love him also purely due to alan rickman's fantastic portrayal he rocks. [16:39] <kingsley> harry would've lost [16:40] <Aquamarine> Definetly different [16:40] <mollywobbles23> definitely [16:40] <cloudpic> Could he have defeated Voldemort that way? [16:40] <bellablack88_> if he'd become obsessed with the idea of being reunited with the dead, he would have lost [16:40] <bibs> that must have been before i started listening to pc [16:40] <kneazlegirl> If Draco had died, it would have made all DD's worry for him in book 6 pretty pointless. [16:40] <Leela> Yes, there wouldn't have been an outcome for Harry. [16:40] <Synesthesia> much different [16:40] <PrincessPickledOnion> probably albus severus, james and lily would not have existed [16:40] <kingsley> even if he defeated LV, what about the horcruxes? [16:40] <Synesthesia> for one thing, i doubt the ending would have been as satisfying [16:40] <tinkertime> that was not his quest, it was DD's - the past versus the future [16:40] <cloudpic> Like staring endlessly into the mirror of erised [16:40] <Jartree> He wouldnt have sacrificed himself, and the part of LV that was in him would have remained [16:40] <Aislinn> He needed to destroy the Horcruxes in order to vanquish LV [16:40] <Aquamarine> Death shouldn't be messed around with, and Harry would have had to learn that the hard way. [16:40] <Synesthesia> as evil might have one. You just can't kill voldermort when he has all of his horcruxes [16:40] <Aislinn> so it was crucial to do that. [16:40] <mollywobbles23> exactly, cloudpic [16:40] <Synesthesia> nd where ddi she even get that word? [16:40] <cloudpic> There were so many Book 1 connections... and that danger of obsession was one [16:40] <Leela> If he didn't die, then he would have had to start the Horcrux quest again. [16:40] <fawkes28> he would not have been successful in his quest to find the hallows - they came to him when he wasnt even intending to own them [16:40] <kneazlegirl> Well, Voldie couldn't have killed Harry either way (due to Mr. Blood) [16:41] <cloudpic> Which word Synesthesia? [16:41] <bellablack88_> Mr. Blood lol [16:41] *** cw91 has quit [Bye] [16:41] <Synesthesia> mr blood? [16:41] <kneazlegirl> But he couldn't have killed Voldemort either. [16:41] <Aislinn> good point, fawkes [16:41] <Synesthesia> Horcruxes [16:41] <kneazlegirl> It would have been a stalemate. [16:41] <ProngsPatronus> it was a question of whether he would succumb to the lure of power, or not--and Harry chose rightly [16:41] <Synesthesia> i know that's an old story idea. [16:41] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I love Mr.Blood [16:41] <Aquamarine> I actually just re-read the part where he decides not to go after the wand.... [16:41] <bibs> a john noe joke [16:41] <cloudpic> invented it, didn't she? [16:41] <Synesthesia> mr blood? [16:41] <mollywobbles23> Anyone else think of they Hydra when Neville cut off Nagini's head? [16:41] * cloudpic raises her hand, mollywobbles! [16:41] <bellablack88_> but if Harry had been questing for hallows i don't think he would have come to the brace decision to sacrifice himself that way...he just wouldn't have won [16:41] <Synesthesia> no, but that part was cool. [16:41] <PrincessPickledOnion> Yeh!! Go Neville though [16:41] <kingsley> that neville bit was just awesome [16:41] <fawkes28> it didnt grow back though [16:41] <NCSUCarrie> Well plus all that, if Harry had not "accepted" his death and hadn't sacrificed himself for "everyone [16:41] <mollywobbles23> good, I'm not alone [16:42] <PrincessPickledOnion> nope molly tongue [16:42] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> mr.Blood is a PotterCast thing Synesthesia [16:42] <Aislinn> yes, it was the journey towards accepting deatht that saved him [16:42] <NCSUCarrie> then Voldie would have been able to hurt a lot more people [16:42] <Aislinn> and everyone else [16:42] *** ginginkat has quit [Bye] [16:42] *** seestar left #lounge [Leaving] [16:42] <mollywobbles23> too bad Voldy didn't have 8 horcruxes plus the part inside him...that make 9 heads [16:42] <bellablack88_> absolutely Aislinn [16:42] <mollywobbles23> that'd* [16:42] <Leela> Since we don't know exactly what they Hallows do, it would've taken Harry a long time to figure out how to destroy Voldy. [16:42] <cloudpic> So glad Neville came so far along in this book... he also accepted his role [16:42] <Aquamarine> Mr. Blood was the theory that John Noe (from Pottercast) came up with to explain the "gleam of triumph" thing... and he was mostly right! [16:42] <bibs> in potter cast john started callin the blood voldy used from harr mr blood [16:42] <mollywobbles23> except for the stairs [16:42] <cloudpic> Neville has been doing "walks into the forest" for quite some time [16:42] <Synesthesia> oh ok. [16:42] <kingsley> he really matured [16:42] <Aislinn> ok, let's move on - mr. blood is off topic. [16:42] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I was jus thinking that molly! [16:43] <Synesthesia> mr blood *snicker* [16:43] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Sorry [16:43] <mollywobbles23> hehe [16:43] <bibs> i heart mr blood [16:43] <PrincessPickledOnion> definitely agree cloudpic... neville rocked.... "hell freezes'' line was superb tongue [16:43] <kneazlegirl> What about dawlish? [16:43] <mollywobbles23> what were we talking about? [16:43] <bellablack88_> what about him? [16:43] <Synesthesia> Neville is so cool... [16:43] <Jartree> The idea is that Harry couldnt have defeated LV with the Hallows, because with them he would not have sacrificed himself, destorying the part of LV inside him. [16:43] <kneazlegirl> I don't know, I just wanted to say it. >> [16:43] <Synesthesia> he proved he is a true gryffindore. [16:43] <Aislinn> no, kneazle [16:43] <bibs> dawlish is another john obsession [16:43] <cloudpic> I loved that the sword of Gryffindor was given to Neville through the Sorting Hat! [16:43] <bellablack88_> i agree jartree [16:43] <ProngsPatronus> let's get back to the topic at hand, please [16:44] <Leela> So Voldemort couldn't have been killed if someone else did the deed? [16:44] <Synesthesia> yes, voldermort would have probably just regenerated, smashed him and turned hogwarts into the school of Dark Arts and Evil [16:44] *** alexrm92 has joined #lounge [16:44] <Aquamarine> Yes, I agree Jartree. [16:44] <mollywobbles23> There are some great icons out there of Neville talking about some certain snakes and a certain school that relates to that movie Snakes on a Plane [16:44] <Synesthesia> complete with a muggle domination class. [16:44] <mollywobbles23> hilarious [16:44] <PrincessPickledOnion> yeh! I think neville developed so much becos the trio was no longer there and the kids needed someone and he rose to the occasion [16:44] <ProngsPatronus> hey, alex [16:44] <kneazlegirl> I doubt the "master of death" part of the legend was accurate [16:44] <mollywobbles23> I agree, Princess [16:44] <tinkertime> The info about the hallows was important because of the wand - but the quest for Harry was to destroy the Horcruxes [16:44] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [16:44] <bellablack88_> i agree kneaslegirl [16:44] <PrincessPickledOnion> thanks mollysmile [16:44] <bellablack88_> i can't spell your name! [16:44] <ProngsPatronus> I think that it was true--but, had passed into legend, then fairy tale [16:44] <kneazlegirl> If it was, though, that could have been interesting. [16:44] <mollywobbles23> I think we saw what would've happened had Neville been the Chosen One and Alice had been able to choose to die for him... [16:45] *** alexrm92 has quit [Bye] [16:45] <Synesthesia> unless, having all of the hallows would somehow repell AK... but i doubt it would help to defeat voldermort like crushing the horcruxes... [16:45] <PrincessPickledOnion> yeh - roles reversed type thing [16:45] <Aquamarine> But then what would have happened to the bit of soul in Harry? [16:45] <Aislinn> it would never have defeated LV [16:45] <kingsley> Neville to me seemed capable of defeating LV, but only in this book with his maturtiy [16:45] <Synesthesia> then smashing voldermort with his own lack of understanding about the Good Things in Life [16:45] <Leela> I don't think that Harry could have used the Hallows on Voldemort, only for himself. [16:45] <bellablack88_> how did harry come to the decision to not pursue the hallows? something to do with Dobby?? [16:45] <ProngsPatronus> even the hallows would not have killed LV--he still had his horcruxes [16:45] <kingsley> the previous books made him look like he had no chance [16:45] <Synesthesia> it would have kept voldermort alive [16:45] <mollywobbles23> yeah, but he rose to the ocassion. [16:45] <Jartree> AK would not have defeated LV without destorying the Horcruxes first, including the one in Harry [16:45] <mollywobbles23> he always did [16:45] <Aquamarine> Agreed ProngsPatronus. [16:45] <Aislinn> it would be buying into the same fallacy that LV had - that it was possible to subvert death. [16:46] <bellablack88_> good point [16:46] <ProngsPatronus> exactly [16:46] <Synesthesia> something to do with seeing what is really important [16:46] <PrincessPickledOnion> hell yeh - i also found it fantastic that Voldie praised and wanted neville. [16:46] <Aquamarine> Thats a really good way of saying it Aislinn. [16:46] <tinkertime> In fact, DD seems to give much more importance to the Hallows - because of his obsession with them - Harry KNEW what he needed to do and only took the Hallows as a tool he needed to accomplish his task [16:46] <Synesthesia> hat death isn't the enemy [16:46] <kneazlegirl> I still can't believe Harry won by using expelliarmus. [16:46] <Leela> Yes, Voldemort would have turned into Vapormort again. [16:46] *** bibs has quit [Bye] [16:46] <Synesthesia> that if you wast your life trying to prevent death... you'll squander it. [16:46] <PrincessPickledOnion> it was like, uh uh uh - can't touch this [16:46] <bellablack88_> totally [16:46] <Aislinn> so fitting, kneazlegirl [16:46] <fawkes28> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [16:46] <kingsley> I know what was harry trying to do with expellimarmus [16:46] <Synesthesia> you'll get obsessed and you won't see what is really important. [16:46] *** bibs has joined #lounge [16:47] <mollywobbles23> what's that kingsley? [16:47] <bibs> sorry computter went mad [16:47] <Synesthesia> like friends, family, connections. Voldermort couldn't get that, and therefore he turned himself into a monster. [16:47] <bellablack88_> he'd succeeded with it before [16:47] <PrincessPickledOnion> Hey - sorry could someone PM the details bout Jo's chat? save space heretongue [16:47] <kingsley> in the final battle, why did he use it [16:47] *** Dunntheyounger has joined #lounge [16:47] <ProngsPatronus> Harry believes that Voldemort did not know about the Deathly Hallows. If Voldemort was given the choice between possessing the Hallows or creating the Horcruxes, which path would he have chosen? [16:47] <Synesthesia> to get the wand. [16:47] <bibs> monsters the right word [16:47] <mollywobbles23> because he had to get the wand [16:47] <Synesthesia> probably the hallows [16:47] <kingsley> I mean in such a clutch spot with the faith of the world hanging on the line, he uses expelliarmus? [16:47] <bellablack88_> hallows, i think [16:47] <Leela> The Horcruxes. [16:47] <Synesthesia> being Master of Death would appeal to him [16:47] <ProngsPatronus> knowing Lv, he would have gone for both [16:47] <Aquamarine> Hallows, just because he would want to be Master of Death. [16:47] <bellablack88_> but wouldn't he have wanted his soul to remain somewhat intact? [16:47] <Synesthesia> he'd be like, oooo being the master of death, no one will ever kill me, i'd never die. [16:47] <fawkes28> i agree, Synesthesia [16:47] <pthree> the hallows [16:47] <bibs> horcruxes (what if h lost the hallows) [16:47] <fawkes28> i think he actually may have chosen to do both [16:48] <bellablack88_> oh yeah maybe he would have done both. for insurance [16:48] <Synesthesia> he doesn't care about his soul... [16:48] <bellablack88_> def. both [16:48] <PrincessPickledOnion> probs hallows first, then horcruxes.... he'd never let dependence upon items that could get lost or stolen be his failsafe [16:48] <Aquamarine> Synthesthesia, we're thinking the same thing! smile [16:48] <fawkes28> he would want to have a back up plan [16:48] <kingsley> lol bella you only choose one [16:48] <Aislinn> it was his signature move, kingley, and was best for him becuase it is not an aggressive or destructive spell [16:48] <Synesthesia> to him souls are unimportant... [16:48] <Jartree> Hallows defidently. We know Voldemort wanted power, and they sound much more powerful. Also he was obssesed with magic history. [16:48] <Synesthesia> i wonder if making horcruxes is what made him so ugly. [16:48] <bellablack88_> LV doesn't do things halfway! [16:48] <kneazlegirl> I think horcruxes, since he was sure they actually existed [16:48] <fawkes28> perhaps if he had chosen hallows, he would have only created one horcrux instead of 7 [16:48] <ProngsPatronus> it was just so harry, wasn't it? [16:48] <mollywobbles23> I think Harry acted on instinct [16:48] <ProngsPatronus> and, in the end, it did not fail [16:48] <tinkertime> I still think Horcruxes - Voldy was pure evil and the murdering aspects - the complete destruction of the enemy - Horcruxes seem to fit him [16:48] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Hallow, the title 'Master of Death' is too tempting.... I mean do you know how cool that would look on his resume [16:48] <mollywobbles23> he does that a lot [16:48] <kingsley> horcruxes would be the smart move, but he would've chosen the hallows [16:48] <Synesthesia> JKL doesn't really say except that he went through so many magical transformations... [16:48] <Aislinn> yes it was, Synesthesia - he was removing what was human about him. [16:48] <Leela> The Horcruxes allow him to prove his power. [16:48] *** ginginkat has joined #lounge [16:48] <Synesthesia> lol [16:48] <Leela> Though the Hallows would allow him to do that, too. [16:48] <fawkes28> however, Voldemort is pretty arrogant and seemed pretty intrigued by just the wand - maybe he would have just chosen hallows [16:48] <kneazlegirl> The hallows would be too easy to lose. [16:49] <Synesthesia> ah, burning away his mortality. [16:49] <Jartree> Could have always done both heh [16:49] *** Dunntheyounger has quit [Bye] [16:49] <PrincessPickledOnion> my point backed up thanks kneazlegirlbiggrin [16:49] <Aislinn> he was intrigued by the wand because of the interaction with Harry's wand [16:49] <Leela> Do you think he would have hidden the Hallows as well? [16:49] <bellablack88_> he might have disregarded two of the three hallows as being useless [16:49] <mollywobbles23> Voldemort didn't know about the hallows, did he? He just knew about the wand because of history [16:49] <bellablack88_> oh yeah he would have hidden them [16:49] <tinkertime> maybe if there were 7 hallows - instead of 3 (LOL) [16:49] <Synesthesia> horcruxes too. all these cubs got all of his, and dumbledore. i can't believe he didn't even know about hsi destroyed horcruxes [16:49] <Aislinn> He thought it would be the one thing that would defeat the object of hte Prophecy [16:49] <ProngsPatronus> I think that he really wasn't interested in the hallows--he wanted the wand to subvert the Priori Incantatem [16:49] <kneazlegirl> He didn't know about the other hallows, no [16:49] <fawkes28> that's true he was trying to defeat harry which is why he was so interested in the wand [16:49] <kneazlegirl> Because he used one of them to make a horcrux. [16:49] <kneazlegirl> Which was really stupid. [16:49] <ProngsPatronus> he was too focused on the prophecy [16:49] <Aislinn> yes [16:50] <PrincessPickledOnion> good point prongs [16:50] <mollywobbles23> exactly, Prongs [16:50] <bellablack88_> he has tunnel-vision [16:50] <fawkes28> i wonder if he even would have believed the story of the three brothers - he grew up with muggles [16:50] <Aquamarine> Leela, I think he wouldn't have hidden them , I think he would use them rather than had them. [16:50] <ProngsPatronus> so he limited his thinking [16:50] <tinkertime> Kneazle is right - he didn't even realize [16:50] <PrincessPickledOnion> yep blinkered like a horse [16:50] *** LadyCake has joined #lounge [16:50] <fawkes28> he may have thought the legend was stupid and probably would not have put much belief into it [16:50] <Aislinn> he would have dismissed it as a child's tale, fawkes [16:50] <Aislinn> totally unimportant [16:50] <kneazlegirl> Then again, what would he have done with the resurrection stone? [16:50] <Leela> But that would have made him too vulnerable. [16:50] <bellablack88_> hmm..the stone [16:50] <Synesthesia> poor voldermort [16:50] <tinkertime> it was a fairy tale and (oddly) a riddle... [16:50] <PrincessPickledOnion> inferi maybe? [16:50] <kneazlegirl> Brought back his mom to yell at her or something? [16:50] <Synesthesia> never knowing what's important. [16:50] <bibs> the wand was usefull to him - why would he want the stone who would he bring back [16:50] <kingsley> I don't know if he would've dismissed it, something like that which could change the way he rules so dramatically... [16:50] <fawkes28> the horcruxes on the other hand were a solid thing that he could rely on [16:51] <ProngsPatronus> he would have had only one use for the resurrection stone [16:51] <Aquamarine> That's what I was thinking kneazle! [16:51] <bellablack88_> he hated everyone. he wouldn't want anyone back from the dead [16:51] <Leela> THat's the reason Grindelwald wanted the stone. [16:51] <ProngsPatronus> and that is completing the set [16:51] <mollywobbles23> bring back Slytherin? could he do that? [16:51] <Jartree> brought back his father to kill him again [16:51] <bellablack88_> not his father, not his mother... [16:51] <BebhinnNiamh> Voldemort didn't know about the hallows becasue they were considered a child's tale, right? Who would have read him wizarding tales in the orphanage? or in Hogwarts for that matter? [16:51] <kingsley> lol [16:51] <bellablack88_> lol kill him again [16:51] <fawkes28> he didnt want anything to do with the dead though [16:51] <PrincessPickledOnion> only if he resurrected his enemies loved ones imagine how horrible that would be - figthing memories of ur dead loved ones :| [16:51] <kingsley> yeah he would do that [16:51] <Aquamarine> Brought back his ring so he could kill them again (sick) [16:51] <fawkes28> i think he would have been afraid of the resurrection stone [16:51] <bellablack88_> right he wanted NOTHING to do with the dead [16:51] <tinkertime> He's just a Horcrux kinda guy [16:51] <Synesthesia> he's afraid of death and dead people anyway. [16:51] <bellablack88_> he just forgot about them once he'd killed them [16:51] <kingsley> no but when the ppl get ressurrected they still think like they would normally right? [16:51] <Aquamarine> True. [16:51] <kingsley> they aren't like inferi [16:51] <Leela> Horcrux allow him to show his power. [16:51] <PrincessPickledOnion> true [16:51] <bellablack88_> they're less substantial than people, more than ghosts [16:51] <Synesthesia> he's mostly about the wand and having a ton of power. [16:52] <Leela> Hallows allow him to show his wit. [16:52] <fawkes28> they werent really alive though, kingsley [16:52] <PrincessPickledOnion> no i meant worse than inferi - because they're personal [16:52] <kneazlegirl> Yeah, they're like ghosts. [16:52] <Leela> So I think they both would have appealled to him. [16:52] <fawkes28> i think it would have spoked him too much to have the stone [16:52] <kneazlegirl> I don't think he could have forced them to do anything they didn't want to. [16:52] <kingsley> yeah that is what I meant [16:52] <bellablack88_> he woulda cried like a little girl, when the ghosts came [16:52] <ProngsPatronus> I don't think he would ever use the stone [16:52] <Jartree> Ya the history behind the Hallows would have intrigued him. Remember how into Hogwarts history he was, especially Slytherin? [16:53] <kneazlegirl> For that, he could always use illusions like with the locket (H/Hr locket) [16:53] <Leela> The Horcruxes also allowed him to be a true part of the wizarding world, at least in his mind. [16:53] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I agree Prongs.... I mean who would he want to bring back [16:53] <bellablack88_> he did have a thing for legendary, historical objects [16:53] <PrincessPickledOnion> yeh the glory would have attracted him definitely [16:53] <ProngsPatronus> but the three together would appeal to his role as a collector of souvenirs [16:53] <tinkertime> I think this shows the differences between DD (who obsessed on the Hallows) and Voldy (who obsessed on the Horcruxes) [16:53] <Jartree> He knew about the chamber of secrets after all [16:53] <Aquamarine> He might have destroyed the stone, because in the wrong hands it could really damage his regime (imagine everyone he has every killed coming back as more-than-ghosts: they wouldn't be too happy to see him would they?) [16:53] <bellablack88_> he just woulda been too darn busy with both. running around like an evil lord with his head cut off [16:53] <ProngsPatronus> and harry--who obsessed on niether of them [16:53] <fawkes28> yes, he was intrigued by the founders story but it wasn't a simple children's story [16:53] <Synesthesia> heh [16:53] <PrincessPickledOnion> lol nice welcoming committee Aqua laugh [16:53] <tinkertime> true prongs! [16:54] <Leela> No, it wasn't. fawkes, but Voldemort didn [16:54] <Leela> didn't want to waste his time on a choldren's story. [16:54] <Leela> *children's [16:54] <PrincessPickledOnion> yet again his bad [16:54] <fawkes28> not in the slightest [16:54] <fawkes28> exactly, PPO [16:54] <Aislinn> right leela, I don't think he would view it as history [16:54] <Aislinn> just as a silly children's story [16:55] <fawkes28> he constantly misjudged things and brushed things aside [16:55] <ProngsPatronus> LV had no time for children [16:55] <Synesthesia> so true... [16:55] <bellablack88_> like house elves!! [16:55] <ProngsPatronus> or their stories [16:55] <PrincessPickledOnion> true fawkes [16:55] <bibs> as i say - underestimates youth [16:55] <Leela> He didn't think Lily's sacrifice was important and look where that landed him! [16:55] <kingsley> yup [16:55] <Synesthesia> he couldn't even stand babies crying [16:55] <Aquamarine> this would actually be a really interesting question to ask Jo... I wonder if she would have an answer [16:55] <bellablack88_> brushed them aside. their apparating powers [16:55] <mollywobbles23> what question? [16:55] <kingsley> the hallows or horcruxes for LV [16:55] <bibs> youth and love are beyond him [16:55] <mollywobbles23> ah [16:55] <fawkes28> even Harry - Voldemort put far too much faith in that prophecy [16:55] <Aquamarine> Would LV have chosen hallows or horcruxes? [16:55] <kneazlegirl> He wouldn't have had much use for the cloak, either [16:55] <bellablack88_> he had no real youth [16:56] <fawkes28> he was the one who caused himself to be defeated [16:56] <Leela> Yes, because it appealled to his power hunger. [16:56] <kingsley> the only hallow he would've wanted is the wand [16:56] <PrincessPickledOnion> no. very true - i doubt even the cloak could hide his ugly mug [16:56] <bellablack88_> lol [16:56] <kingsley> lol [16:56] <Leela> I'll get to destroy the boy and show how axesome I am. [16:56] <bibs> well, who would he have brought back with the stone/ [16:56] <Aquamarine> lol [16:56] <fawkes28> the prophecy very much parallels oedipus rex [16:56] <Synesthesia> hehehe [16:56] <kneazlegirl> Speaking of the cloak, does Moody>Death because he could see through it? [16:56] *** Pink has joined #lounge [16:56] <PrincessPickledOnion> Awww Moody sad [16:56] <kingsley> the only person he would have maybe brought back is salazar slytherin but i doubt it [16:57] <kneazlegirl> (proof that Moody is alive!) [16:57] <bellablack88_> he could?? [16:57] <PrincessPickledOnion> or his mother perhaps to scream at her for dying [16:57] <kneazlegirl> In book 4, doesn't he? [16:57] *** LisaAnn has joined #lounge [16:57] <Leela> I seriously doubt he would [16:57] <kneazlegirl> "Nice socks, Potter" [16:57] <kingsley> well couldn't he only see through the cloak because of the eye? [16:57] <tinkertime> Voldy would never bring anyone bck from the dead - he hated death - he'd want nothing to do with it [16:57] <bellablack88_> the enchanted eye of wonder [16:57] <kneazlegirl> Moody's eye>death [16:57] <PrincessPickledOnion> ultimately yeh tinker you're right [16:57] <bellablack88_> i want an eye like that [16:58] <ProngsPatronus> yes it does, fawkes [16:58] <Aquamarine> Yeah, LV would worry that Salazar would be more powerful... he doesn't want any competition for the "evilest person ever" title. [16:58] <bellablack88_> lol [16:58] <Synesthesia> moody can see boggarts [16:58] <PrincessPickledOnion> true [16:58] <NCSUCarrie> Good point Aqua lol [16:58] <tinkertime> Aqua - very true [16:58] <Synesthesia> *snicker* evillest person ever. [16:58] <bibs> so he would get no use out of the second hallow [16:58] *** LisaAnn has quit [Bye] [16:58] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [16:58] <bellablack88_> or the third [16:58] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [16:58] <Leela> I wonder if he thought himself more powerful than Slytherin. [16:58] <kingsley> of course he did [16:58] <bellablack88_> yeah [16:58] <mollywobbles23> probably [16:58] <bibs> brb [16:58] <kingsley> he didn't think anyone was a match for him [16:58] <Leela> But he looked up to him so much. [16:59] <pthree> i think he thought himself more powerful than pretty much everyone [16:59] <BebhinnNiamh> yes, Moody can see throught the cloak w/ his magical eye. [16:59] <bellablack88_> but he knew he was the most powerful of all [16:59] <kneazlegirl> Although Slytherin was a pureblood while Voldie was a half-blood. [16:59] <tinkertime> I think he saw himself as the one who would finish what Slytherin started [16:59] <bellablack88_> and do even more [16:59] <kingsley> yeah but LV dwelled on the pure blood that he had from slytherin [16:59] <tinkertime> true bella [16:59] <Leela> He would have probably just wanted to learn everything from Slytherin he could and then dispose of him. [16:59] <NCSUCarrie> Plus Voldemort thought he was immortal... Slytherin apparently was not, so I'm sure jsut based on that fact he thought he was more powerful [16:59] <kingsley> that was all he appreciated slytherin for [16:59] <Jartree> He seemed to idolize Salazar [16:59] <PrincessPickledOnion> he surpassed was slytherin started... *feels sickened by Voldie* [17:00] <ProngsPatronus> What did you think of the idea of the hallows? [17:00] <Synesthesia> that was a great idea [17:00] <PrincessPickledOnion> scary [17:00] <Synesthesia> wasn't expecting it. [17:00] <Aislinn> I was quite intrigued by the notion [17:00] <PrincessPickledOnion> power is dangerous [17:00] <tinkertime> it was a total surprise [17:00] <Leela> No offense to anyone, but I thought it was a little tacked on. [17:00] <mollywobbles23> gread idea to emphasize the themes [17:00] <bellablack88_> i thought it was amazing. really helped me understand how Harry had changed over time [17:00] <fawkes28> i think it added to the plot [17:00] <Aislinn> it was very unexpected to learn what the Hallows really were. [17:00] <pthree> at first i was thinking it was a place but once i learned it wasn't it was in interesting twist [17:00] <Synesthesia> it was yet another awesome book suprise i thought. [17:00] <mollywobbles23> and get the plot moving [17:00] <fawkes28> something besides the horcrux hunt [17:00] <kingsley> yeah [17:00] <kneazlegirl> I didn't expect that they would actually exist and all be where Harry thought they were. [17:00] <Synesthesia> and i learned so much about dumbledore and his evolution [17:00] <PrincessPickledOnion> definitely aislinn [17:00] <Aquamarine> I thought it was good how we really couldn't guess what they were... JKR tends to do that. [17:00] <fawkes28> i loved how she tied in the children's tale - that was very intriguing [17:00] <Jartree> It was a great story and idea, but I wish we had known even a little earlier on, like maybe Ron mentions the story when he meets Harry in the first book [17:00] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> JK just never runs out of ideas [17:00] <kingsley> the way that nothing was happening with the horcruxes it was really key to see the hallows [17:00] <bellablack88_> all the themes were tied together. it was perfect if you ask me!! [17:01] <Aislinn> Yes, fawkes, I want Jo to write Beedle the bard's tales now! [17:01] <mollywobbles23> I loved the children's tale. I think she just write a book full of stories like that [17:01] <fawkes28> me too, Aislinn! [17:01] <kneazlegirl> The book would have been too straightforward if it was just the horcrux hunt. [17:01] <tinkertime> I think it was good that we din't have foreshadowing on this - some things that we could never have guessed about... [17:01] <fawkes28> i want it illustrated [17:01] <bellablack88_> agreed [17:01] <ProngsPatronus> I think it was an interesting idea--and a real choice for harry [17:01] <kingsley> yeah [17:01] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Oh that'd be a cool charity book [17:01] <Aquamarine> She always says Death is one of the main themes (if not THE main theme) of the series, so it was really fitting, I think. [17:01] <Leela> Most of the other things were hinted at in the previous books, but not the Hallows. [17:01] <PrincessPickledOnion> I like the idea of children's tale; because ultimately we tell children tales to comfort - and that's what it did do - it gave us a comforting notion that there could be a way around the horcruxes. [17:01] <Leela> I suppose she did that on purpose. [17:01] <bellablack88_> look how much discussion they lead to! the best ideas do that [17:01] <Synesthesia> that would be cool if she wrote that! [17:01] <Aislinn> I want to know the Rabbity Babbity tale biggrin [17:01] <Aquamarine> lol me too! [17:02] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Haha [17:02] <mollywobbles23> lol [17:02] <fawkes28> i love how she includes a story within the story [17:02] <kingsley> lol [17:02] <mollywobbles23> I laughed so hard at that [17:02] <tinkertime> LOL [17:02] <Synesthesia> illustrated... mmm. stories within stories [17:02] <fawkes28> it was one of my favorite parts of DH [17:02] <Synesthesia> illustrated... mmm. stories within stories [17:02] <mollywobbles23> "Cinderella..." "Is that an illness?" [17:02] <kneazlegirl> That was a great Ron moment [17:02] <kingsley> LOL [17:02] <bellablack88_> lol [17:02] <Aislinn> it was [17:02] <Leela> hehe [17:02] <Synesthesia> how neil gaimanian of her. [17:02] <Aquamarine> lol [17:02] <bibs> im back [17:02] <bellablack88_> howdy [17:02] <kingsley> I had to put the book down for a second after reading that [17:02] <PrincessPickledOnion> Neil Gaiman? [17:02] <mollywobbles23> Cinderella is an illness in a way...on society and women waiting for a prince [17:03] <Synesthesia> yeah, he likes having stories in stories [17:03] <Synesthesia> t's one reason why i like him so mcuh. [17:03] <PrincessPickledOnion> true molly [17:03] <ProngsPatronus> it recalled that bit in PS with ron saying--"are you a witch or not!" [17:03] <Synesthesia> good point, molly [17:03] <Aquamarine> Lol, way to get all figurative Molly smile [17:03] <bellablack88_> yeah. prince charming will never come. i'll have to settle for someone like ron!! [17:03] <Synesthesia> THAT PART was funny. [17:03] <LadyCake> Yes good point [17:03] <PrincessPickledOnion> ive just read stardust and that was cool [17:03] <Synesthesia> "are you a wizard or not!" lol [17:03] <mollywobbles23> oh, I loved how in sync with each other Ron and Hermione were [17:03] <Synesthesia> yeah, i hope the movie is good. [17:03] <PrincessPickledOnion> touchetongue [17:03] <PrincessPickledOnion> touche [17:03] <mollywobbles23> "Always the tone of surprise." [17:03] <Aquamarine> I loved that line! [17:03] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Hahaha [17:03] <kingsley> lol yeah [17:03] <Leela> However, the Hallows were very intergral to the last book. [17:03] <Synesthesia> ron and hermione's relationship was developed well [17:03] <ProngsPatronus> Ron's knowledge of the WW is so crucial [17:03] <bellablack88_> ron was still so awkward around Hermione. She was the one who kissed him! he's a wuss [17:03] <LadyCake> Yes they were. [17:03] <kingsley> especially all of the stuff in HBP [17:03] <mollywobbles23> it also showed that they still had some insecurities about how the other one saw them [17:03] <bibs> in ciderella it was exaggerated the slippers were changed from fur to glass and the ending was made less grusome [17:03] <Synesthesia> the hallows richened the story i think. [17:03] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I lovd Hermione in this book she kept surprising me [17:04] <Aislinn> this has been a lot of fun, folks, but unfortunately, time has run out [17:04] <Synesthesia> aw [17:04] <kingsley> ew [17:04] <Aquamarine> aw [17:04] <Leela> Bye all [17:04] <pthree> bye [17:04] <NYBookworm> bye [17:04] <Leela> It's been fun [17:04] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Awwww..... [17:04] <PrincessPickledOnion> go hermione - she's too independent to let a man come for her tho. yeah [17:04] <bibs> ive had fun [17:04] <fawkes28> thanks for coming! [17:04] *** NYBookworm has quit [Bye] [17:04] <Aquamarine> When's the next chat? [17:04] <Aquamarine> When's the next chat? [17:04] <kingsley> is there another one sometime? [17:04] <NCSUCarrie> Bye bye ! [17:04] <bellablack88_> bye!! twas fun [17:04] <tinkertime> I'm sure there'll be more to come!! [17:04] <Aislinn> thanks so much for coming! [17:04] <ProngsPatronus> so it has! [17:04] <Aislinn> We hope to see you all again soon. [17:04] <kneazlegirl> Bye, then. [17:04] <mollywobbles23> I thought it was interesting that Ron's idea of Hermione (as represented in the locket scene) was more beautiful than the Hermione that Harry saw. [17:04] <kingsley> When is the next one? [17:04] <PrincessPickledOnion> awww bye everyone! is there one next week too? [17:04] <Pink> In the chapter Kings Cross on page 705 there was that screaming crying horrible looking baby. In your opinion "anyone" does that represent Voldermort? [17:04] <Jartree> been a pleasure [17:04] <Aislinn> we'll put up an announcment for the next one. [17:04] <ProngsPatronus> we have them every week, kingsley [17:04] <Aislinn> We have to work it around Prophecy [17:04] <kingsley> okay cool [17:04] <kingsley> bye [17:04] *** ginginkat has quit [Bye] [17:04] <bibs> group hug [17:04] *** Aquamarine has quit [Bye] [17:04] <PrincessPickledOnion> yes pinktongue [17:04] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Buh-bye [17:04] <LadyCake> cool...sorry I missed this one [17:04] *** kingsley left #lounge [Leaving] [17:04] <Synesthesia> that reminded me of naussica so much [17:05] *** NCSUCarrie has quit [Bye] [17:05] <PrincessPickledOnion> thanks aislinn! byeexxxxxx [17:05] <bellablack88_> PInk: fragment of Voldy's soul that was in Harry [17:05] <BebhinnNiamh> bye all [17:05] *** kneazlegirl has quit [Bye] [17:05] <tinkertime> Thanks Mods! I've been waiting for this since last Sunday!! [17:05] <bellablack88_> okay bye now. [17:05] *** kneazlegirl has joined #lounge [17:05] <ProngsPatronus> (((hugs))) [17:05] *** pthree has quit [Bye] [17:05] *** bellablack88_ has quit [Bye] [17:05] <PrincessPickledOnion> me too! [17:05] <Aislinn> bye! This post has been edited by fawkes28: Jul 29 2007, 04:11 PM -------------------- |
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