Chat Transcript: 7/29/07, The Deathly Hallows |
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[14:59] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [14:59] *** Topic is: What Else? Deathly Hallows! [15:01] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:02] *** bibs has joined #lounge [15:02] <Aislinn> Hi bibs [15:02] <bibs> hi [15:02] <bibs> how are you all [15:02] <ProngsPatronus> hey, bibs [15:02] *** gurgkarkus has joined #lounge [15:02] <bibs> hi [15:02] *** rudenychik has joined #lounge [15:02] *** pthree has joined #lounge [15:02] <Aislinn> well, how about you? [15:03] <Aislinn> Hi gurgkarkus [15:03] <gurgkarkus> hello [15:03] *** rudenychik has quit [Bye] [15:03] *** lmauro12 has joined #lounge [15:03] <Aislinn> and pthree smile [15:03] <bibs> im not feeling too well so i thought i might cheer myself [15:03] <pthree> hello to all of you to [15:03] <bibs> hey [15:03] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all! [15:03] <lmauro12> hello all [15:04] *** turquoise has joined #lounge [15:04] <fawkes28> hey turquoise [15:04] <ProngsPatronus> glad you could join us, turquoise [15:04] <bibs> im listen to all wizard rock songs [15:04] <lmauro12> hey turquoise [15:05] *** turquoise has quit [Bye] [15:05] *** loopyloonyluna has joined #lounge [15:05] *** rudenychik has joined #lounge [15:05] *** GEORISA has joined #lounge [15:05] <ProngsPatronus> hey, LLL [15:05] <bibs> hey [15:05] <lmauro12> hey all [15:05] <loopyloonyluna> hello [15:05] <GEORISA> hello [15:05] *** loopyloonyluna has quit [Bye] [15:05] *** cbm has joined #lounge [15:05] <ProngsPatronus> hello, georisa [15:06] <cbm> Hi everyone! [15:06] <ProngsPatronus> hey, cbm [15:06] <GEORISA> hi [15:06] <bibs> hey [15:06] <fawkes28> hey cbm [15:06] *** loopyloonyluna has joined #lounge [15:06] <lmauro12> hey cbn [15:06] *** rudenychik has quit [Bye] [15:06] <Aislinn> hi cbm! [15:06] *** Leela has joined #lounge [15:07] *** mollywobbles23 has joined #lounge [15:07] <mollywobbles23> hi! [15:07] <Leela> Hello All [15:07] <lmauro12> hey leela and mollywobbles [15:07] *** mrsfiggforever has joined #lounge [15:07] <Leela> This is my first time here. [15:07] <lmauro12> mine too sorta [15:07] <mollywobbles23> welcome! [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> hey, molly [15:08] <bibs> im listening to the remus lupins at the moment ( il love them )any one else like wizard rock? [15:08] <mollywobbles23> is this going to be a free chat like last time, or are there going to be discussion questions? [15:08] <Leela> What do you talk about normally? [15:08] <mollywobbles23> hey Prongs smile [15:08] <lmauro12> ya that mu question? [15:08] <mollywobbles23> it depends on the topic [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> we are using this first week as free chats [15:08] *** IllinoisGirl has joined #lounge [15:08] <IllinoisGirl> hello [15:08] <bibs> cool [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> we will have more directed chats next week [15:08] <Leela> Hello. [15:08] <cbm> Normally there is a subject and the moderators have topics for discussions [15:08] <mollywobbles23> k, groovy noodles [15:08] <ProngsPatronus> hey, Illinois [15:08] <GEORISA> heres a question, not sure if it has been discussed, but do we see barty couch jr after gof? [15:09] <mollywobbles23> I don't think so [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> no, we don't [15:09] <cbm> no [15:09] <Leela> Not that I am aware of. [15:09] <IllinoisGirl> I have a question about Umbridge....is she a muggle born? [15:09] <lmauro12> no we don't [15:09] *** IlsesBlueWind has joined #lounge [15:09] <bibs> not sure [15:09] <Leela> That would be hilarious! [15:09] <GEORISA> i was just thinking about that. shouldnt he have been mention in deathly hallows? [15:09] <lmauro12> ummm i am not sure [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> hey, ilses [15:09] <fawkes28> that would be a good question to ask Jo smile [15:09] <cbm> I doubt it [15:09] <IlsesBlueWind> Hi [15:09] <mrsfiggforever> mee too [15:09] <Leela> Oh, no she isn't. [15:09] <mrsfiggforever> I doubt it [15:09] <IllinoisGirl> Umbridge made a big deal about the locket [15:09] <mollywobbles23> how do you change the color of your text? I click the button and nothing happens. [15:09] <ProngsPatronus> I would think that, were she a Muggleborn, she would not be in the position of power she had [15:09] <lmauro12> ya she did [15:10] <Leela> She took the Locket to make herself more important. [15:10] <cbm> I think she was just trying to fit in [15:10] <ProngsPatronus> she had to have been wizard-born to do that job [15:10] <mollywobbles23> She has no soul, so it didn't affect her [15:10] <lmauro12> ya that is true [15:10] <mollywobbles23> lol [15:10] <mrsfiggforever> exactly and she wouldnt have been appointed for the hearings if she was muggle born [15:10] <bibs> i think she might be half blood or pureblood going on the fact she wasnt arested in dh [15:10] <IllinoisGirl> we do not know [15:10] *** testing has joined #lounge [15:10] <loopyloonyluna> I don't think Barty Jr. has much to offer anymore. I think of peopele that have been kissed as being in a vegetative or catatonic state [15:10] <GEORISA> umbridge sounds a little like malfroy [15:10] *** bcroft919 has joined #lounge [15:10] <pthree> i'm curious as to how she got Madeye Moody's Eye since no one ever found his body? [15:10] <cbm> or she is so evil anyone, no one would notice any difference [15:10] <Aislinn> mollywobbles23, are you in the old interface or the new [15:10] <GEORISA> proud of being wizard line, but not to proud to be a deatheater [15:10] <IlsesBlueWind> I think the DE might've found his body [15:10] <bibs> shes not exactly talented [15:10] <bibs> is she [15:10] <Leela> I personally think Umbridge is worse than the Malfoys. [15:10] <mollywobbles23> I think it's implied that the Ministry found it [15:10] <mollywobbles23> the new [15:11] <lmauro12> i hate umbridge [15:11] <IlsesBlueWind> or at least the eye, [15:11] <lmauro12> she is evil [15:11] <Aislinn> you can only change colors permanently in the old [15:11] <IlsesBlueWind> the eye might've seperated from Moody's body [15:11] <mrsfiggforever> mee too, however I do think lucius is much worse than her [15:11] <Aislinn> you have to highlight the words and click on the color icon in the new. [15:11] <mollywobbles23> ah [15:11] <mollywobbles23> thanks [15:11] *** testing has quit [Bye] [15:11] <ProngsPatronus> I hope that is something that gets fixed, Aislinn [15:11] <Leela> Lucius is a coward hungery for power he cannot get hinself. [15:11] <GEORISA> perhaps the ministry found the body, but didnt want to report the death of such an awesome auror [15:11] <IllinoisGirl> she was high enough even before DH [15:12] <bibs> i have a fascination with imagining me pushing her off the astronomy tower [15:12] *** gurgkarkus has quit [Bye] [15:12] <mollywobbles23> I have this fear that the DEs got his body and he was Nagini's breakfast [15:12] <Leela> They didn't want to report it - too many questions would be asked about the circumstances. [15:12] <IlsesBlueWind> ew [15:12] *** bellablack88 has joined #lounge [15:12] <pthree> I was talking with someone the other day about the Malfoy's and we decided they could talk the talk but couldn't walk the walk. [15:12] <IllinoisGirl> yeah [15:12] <bibs> true pthree [15:12] <mollywobbles23> makes sense, pthree [15:12] <bcroft919> defanately [15:12] <IlsesBlueWind> I wonder who Draco married [15:12] <mrsfiggforever> lucius did walk the walk for a long time [15:13] <cbm> The minister just spent his time trying to figure out what the 3 object were, instead of fighting Voldemort [15:13] <lmauro12> ya malfoy look terrifed in the first scne [15:13] <GEORISA> why didnt draco serve time? [15:13] <mollywobbles23> maybe he did [15:13] <bellablack88> He was just a kid. [15:13] <IlsesBlueWind> I think only DE who were involved in the final battle served time [15:13] <bcroft919> *baldy [15:13] <Leela> Voldy had already taken down Azkeban. [15:13] <IlsesBlueWind> I mean, who killed in the battle [15:13] <cbm> we do not know if he served, only that he had been out 12 years [15:13] <bibs> i have a milicent bulstrode theory when it comes to who draco maried... [15:13] <lmauro12> ya what happen to belthraix.. is she def dead? [15:13] <mollywobbles23> lol [15:13] <bellablack88> she's so dead [15:13] <Leela> Yes! [15:13] <mollywobbles23> I believe so [15:13] *** bcroft919 has quit [Bye] [15:13] <cbm> Maybe it is a muggleborn? [15:13] <IlsesBlueWind> it was probably all confusion after LV fell in accordance with the ministry [15:14] <GEORISA> molly killed her [15:14] <mrsfiggforever> yeah Rons mom killed her [15:14] <bibs> whoo hoo [15:14] <mollywobbles23> I can't wait to reread that part [15:14] *** bcroft919 has joined #lounge [15:14] *** rudenychik has joined #lounge [15:14] <IlsesBlueWind> Kingsley was good but he probably couldn't take care of everything [15:14] <mollywobbles23> I giggled so hard [15:14] <bellablack88> I wonder if Draco would ever have a non pure-blood wife [15:14] <mollywobbles23> I don't think so [15:14] <bibs> ive developed a kingsley obsession [15:14] <bcroft919> prolly not [15:14] <Leela> I let out a loud, 'HA!' [15:14] <GEORISA> didnt he have a girlfriend [15:14] <mollywobbles23> Pansy [15:14] <lmauro12> ya it that was one od my favv scenes [15:14] <GEORISA> draco [15:14] <bellablack88> I love Kingsley too [15:14] <IlsesBlueWind> It would be ironic if we found out he married a muggle [15:14] <pthree> i loved molly at that moment in time. She finally came out of her shell [15:14] <mrsfiggforever> In the epilouge it says he married a pureblood [15:14] <GEORISA> he probably married her [15:14] <IlsesBlueWind> or a muggle-born [15:14] <lmauro12> i like digle [15:14] <mollywobbles23> oh, Kingsley is awesome! [15:14] <bcroft919> yeah i hope he remained MOM for a while [15:14] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [15:14] <bibs> i hope kingsleys the new minister [15:15] <Leela> Hello tinker [15:15] <IllinoisGirl> he was the best for the job [15:15] <mollywobbles23> I'm sure there will be fanfics, IlsesBlueWind [15:15] <lmauro12> yep he was [15:15] <bcroft919> it said he was temporary at least for the end of DH [15:15] <tinkertime> hullo everyone [15:15] <Leela> For the time, he was. [15:15] <lmauro12> hello [15:15] <bellablack88> he was good in the movie too, though he only had like 2 lines [15:15] <cbm> No she was a pureblood, didn't ron say something about grandpa weasley being mad if she married a pure blood to his daughter? [15:15] <mrsfiggforever> remember ron telling his daugher that his grandfather would kill her if she mmarried a pureblood [15:15] <IlsesBlueWind> Kingsley probably didn't stay for too long though- they probably have a serious shortage in the Auror department now [15:15] <mollywobbles23> I'm currently writing a fanfic called "Twelve Fail-Safe Ways to Charm a Witch" [15:15] <bibs> who cheered for john noe when dawlish was mentioned [15:15] <mollywobbles23> *giggles* [15:15] <Leela> I thought Kingsley would be much cooler in the movie. [15:15] <lmauro12> lol [15:15] <IlsesBlueWind> oh ok about draco's wife being a pureblood [15:15] <bellablack88> ooh i wanna read it! [15:15] <lmauro12> me too [15:15] <Leela> More like Samuel L. Jackson. [15:15] <bcroft919> lol [15:15] <cbm> I cheered when I heard neville's grandma had taken him down [15:15] <mollywobbles23> I'll put it on checkmated when I'm done [15:16] <lmauro12> ok [15:16] <IllinoisGirl> that was funny [15:16] *** tinkertime has quit [Bye] [15:16] <bellablack88> "it's not all wandwork" [15:16] <IlsesBlueWind> i enjoyed seeing more of gran [15:16] <Aislinn> For those of you for whom the Booth is relatively new, we're going to be having a focused chat in a few minutes, meaning that the moderators will ask questions and we'll all try to stick to the topic being discussed. [15:16] <bcroft919> neville's gran kicked serious butt [15:16] *** tinkertime has joined #lounge [15:16] <bellablack88> yeah she rocked [15:16] <Leela> Ok, Aislinn. [15:16] <GEORISA> ok [15:16] *** IlsesBlueWind left #lounge [Leaving] [15:16] <lmauro12> ok [15:16] <pthree> ok] [15:16] <Leela> Yeah, leaving 3 DE's in St Mungos. [15:16] <bibs> whoo hoo [15:17] <bcroft919> yess [15:17] <mollywobbles23> the premise is that the twins gave it to Ron for his b-day present in HBP [15:17] <Leela> Oh, yeah! I forgot that. [15:17] <mollywobbles23> and hilarity and fluff ensue from there [15:17] <bibs> gran kicked dawlishes butt to [15:17] <bibs> yeah [15:17] <mollywobbles23> She did? [15:17] <tinkertime> cheers to John Dawlish - and PotterWatch, way to go Leaky! [15:17] <Leela> I think Ron needed it more than Harry. [15:17] <mollywobbles23> I have got to reread the battle soon [15:17] <bellablack88> Dawlish looked weird in the movie [15:17] <ProngsPatronus> what a lovelt surprise--questions! [15:17] <mollywobbles23> I almost died when I read "Potterwatch" [15:18] <IllinoisGirl> LOVED the Potterwatch [15:18] <bellablack88> me too [15:18] <lmauro12> i loved potter watch [15:18] <IllinoisGirl> he looked uptigh [15:18] <Leela> My favorite part was when Lupin was on air. [15:18] <cbm> Dawlish is not very competent [15:18] *** strangecurses has joined #lounge [15:18] <bcroft919> i think she took potterwatch from all the podcasts online... it was a tribute to the fans for sure [15:18] <lmauro12> i like fred [15:18] <bibs> i love lupin [15:18] <bellablack88> so sad he's dead [15:18] <GEORISA> i wished i had hermoines bag [15:18] <tinkertime> it's hard to be Dawlish smile [15:18] <IllinoisGirl> we all do [15:18] <mollywobbles23> I love the chapter art for that chapter too, with Ron and Hermione kneeling by the wireless [15:18] <bibs> hugo fred weasley [15:18] <bellablack88> he's such a complex, multi-layered character, that Dawlish... [15:18] <cbm> It would have been funny if she called it pottercast [15:18] <lmauro12> ya i am in th middle of re-read dh [15:18] <bcroft919> lol [15:19] <Leela> I was so stunned when Fred died ... much more than Lupin. [15:19] <mollywobbles23> I started humming "A Spoonful of Sugar" when Hermione's bag was explained [15:19] <bellablack88> i wish Percy had died instead [15:19] <cbm> Tonks was the only death that stunned me [15:19] <bibs> grubbly planks the new dawlish! [15:19] <GEORISA> when i saw the chapter art of hagrid carrying harry, i thought, omg, harry is going to die [15:19] <mrsfiggforever> yeah, why Tonks I dont get it [15:19] *** Jartree has joined #lounge [15:19] <mollywobbles23> I figured Fred would die [15:19] <bellablack88> me too! so scary [15:19] *** Synesthesia has joined #lounge [15:19] *** AzraelSmurfCatcher has joined #lounge [15:19] <ProngsPatronus> hey, jartree [15:20] <tinkertime> very sad about Tonks... [15:20] <Aislinn> me too, molly [15:20] <Leela> Hello, everyone. [15:20] <Jartree> hello [15:20] <pthree> i thought for a moment we'd lost Hagrid to when all the spiders showed up [15:20] <bellablack88> hi [15:20] *** loopyloonyluna has quit [Bye] [15:20] <mollywobbles23> me too [15:20] <tinkertime> hullo [15:20] <mollywobbles23> I was so mad [15:20] <bellablack88> i'm so glad hagrid lived [15:20] <fawkes28> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You're not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you'll be able to type again soon. [15:20] *** MiniWitch has joined #lounge [15:20] <fawkes28> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod. [15:20] <fawkes28> You won't be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it" in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [15:21] <fawkes28> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [15:21] <fawkes28> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [15:21] *** loopyloonyluna has joined #lounge [15:21] <ProngsPatronus> “The Elder Wand,” he said, and he drew a straight vertical line upon the parchment. “The Resurrection Stone,” he said, and he added a circle on top of the line. “The Cloak of Invisibility,” he finished, enclosing both line and circle in a triangle to make the symbol that so intrigued Hermione. “Together,” he said, “the Deathly Hallows.” [15:21] *** MiniWitch has quit [Bye] [15:21] <ProngsPatronus> Let’s discuss these Deathly Hallows and the significance they have for our series. [15:22] *** the_heir_of_ravenclaw has joined #lounge [15:22] <ProngsPatronus> The three brothers from the Tales of Beedle the Bard are already being paralleled to characters in Harry Potter. For example, Voldemort is being compared to the first brother who received the Elder Wand. Do you agree? What other comparisons do you see? [15:22] <Synesthesia> Harry obviously= the last brother... [15:22] <Synesthesia> Dumbledore is sort of like the middle one to me... [15:22] <bcroft919> snape being the one with the stone to bring lily back [15:22] <Synesthesia> longing to see his family again... willing to settle for shadows. [15:22] <bellablack88> I think Harry could be compared to the second brother too... [15:22] <bcroft919> or DD for his family [15:22] *** strangecurses has quit [Bye] [15:22] <Synesthesia> Snape too... [15:22] <Leela> I see Ron as the first brother more than Voldy. [15:22] <mollywobbles23> I read a theory that compared Voldy to the brother with the EW, Snape the stone, and Harry the cloak [15:22] <Jartree> Dumbledore would have wanted his sister back no? [15:22] <mollywobbles23> I like that one [15:22] <bellablack88> I think there's a lot of overlap [15:23] <loopyloonyluna> Yeah, I thought Snape parallels the 2nd brother too [15:23] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [15:23] <Synesthesia> yes. he would have watned to tell his family he's sorry [15:23] <Aislinn> Ron, really? [15:23] <Aislinn> why? [15:23] <mollywobbles23> and Harry's comment about them being the "three abandoned boys" [15:23] <GEORISA> ron as the first [15:23] <Synesthesia> Ron would want power because he's always so... shunted off to the side. [15:23] <bellablack88> yeah. why ron? [15:23] <Leela> Because he was always yearned to prove himself. [15:23] <lmauro12> ya i like that line [15:23] <Synesthesia> Sirius would have wanted the elder wand... [15:23] <bellablack88> o okay that makes sense [15:23] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I think the trio kinda match up to the brothers and te was esp. showed when they asked themselves what they'd pick [15:23] <tinkertime> I'm not sure of exact parallels - they Hallows & Bros seem to be more precursors to the Horcruxes... [15:23] <Synesthesia> James, of course the cloak... [15:23] <cbm> Ron does not want power, he is more interested in fame [15:23] <fawkes28> see, i dont know if Snape would actually want to bring Lily back - i think that would make him even more unhappy - which i think he realizes [15:23] <lmauro12> i liked the clock [15:23] <bellablack88> I think all three brothers reflect desires we ALL have [15:23] <Synesthesia> i reckon Lupin might have been the stone in a way... [15:23] <lmauro12> ya i agree [15:23] <bibs> im back [15:23] <mollywobbles23> well said, cbm [15:24] <Leela> Harry is very much the second brother ... all throughout the series. [15:24] <tinkertime> Agree bella [15:24] <ProngsPatronus> I think it refers to DD, Voldemort, and harry [15:24] <Aislinn> interesting point fawkes [15:24] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Goo point bella [15:24] <Synesthesia> more like the last brother.... [15:24] <mrsfiggforever> I dont know fawkes, he wanted to say he was sorry [15:24] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> *good not goo [15:24] <loopyloonyluna> Snape didn't really live his life since he went to Dumbledore. Everythin we see is for Lily [15:24] <mrsfiggforever> I think Snape would have used the rock to bring her back [15:24] <Synesthesia> he walked into death willingly. [15:24] <lmauro12> that scene was so hard to read [15:24] <fawkes28> but it doesnt really bring the person back [15:24] <ProngsPatronus> as did the younger broither, when it was time [15:24] <Aislinn> Harry did. [15:24] <Synesthesia> then he would have been heartbroken as her heart was stolen by james. [15:24] <mollywobbles23> I like the way Harry's actions in the forest mirrored the story of the third brother, except for the long life bit [15:25] <Jartree> even if he did bring lily back he knows it wouldnt change anything [15:25] <bellablack88> o good point! [15:25] <Synesthesia> no, it just brings back a shadow of them. [15:25] <Synesthesia> and they long to go back [15:25] <fawkes28> look at what happened with the second brother [15:25] <Synesthesia> so you pine and grow more depressed, the way HP did in the first book with the mirror [15:25] <mrsfiggforever> but Dumbledore wanted to say sorry that is why he put the ring on [15:25] <Leela> Yes, I think that would have echoed in Snape. [15:25] <Aislinn> yes, the Hallows seem to offer false promises [15:25] <ProngsPatronus> I think the second brother was the most afraid of death [15:25] <mrsfiggforever> why would Snape not do the same thing with lilly [15:25] <Leela> At least deep despair. [15:25] <cbm> her heart was not stolen, she ended up with someone who was fighting for what she believed in, not a follower of voldemort [15:25] <bellablack88> Master of death -- what does that really mean? [15:25] <lmauro12> yes def aislinn [15:25] <Aislinn> the stone doesn't bring back the lost one, just a shadow of them. [15:25] *** strangecurses has joined #lounge [15:25] <bibs> well, voldy wants to conquer death, so did dd [15:25] <fawkes28> Snape actually wanted Lily in the flesh - not the way the stone allows for [15:25] <bcroft919> did anyone notice when they decribed the ones brought back by the stone, it says they were separated as "by a veil?" interesting... [15:25] <Synesthesia> yeah, it was stolen, and she let it be stolen willingly... [15:26] <bellablack88> I think Voldy went about conquering death in the wrong way though [15:26] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Could the Hallows be compared to the Houses of Hogwarts... With the exception being Hufflepuff because they were the 'left-overs' so to say (although nothing against Hufflepuffs, they rock) [15:26] *** CannonsKara has joined #lounge [15:26] *** IllinoisGirl has quit [Bye] [15:26] <fawkes28> yes, bcroft - that was interesting [15:26] <Leela> Yes, I did notice that bcroft [15:26] <bibs> i thought a bout the veil [15:26] <lmauro12> i think that was were the veil was seen [15:26] <tinkertime> Individually the Hallows were powerful - but could still be defeated. The combo of all three making one the Master of Death, had different meanings for Snape, DD and Harry. Harry in the end may have been the only one who could walk away from that [15:26] <bcroft919> i agree [15:26] <bellablack88> me too [15:26] <mollywobbles23> I like the fact that a point of the story is not that the third brother "hid" from Death. He did in a way, I guess, by just living. He didn't go around bragging or sulking in the past. [15:26] <Synesthesia> *nod* [15:26] <ProngsPatronus> good point, tinker [15:26] <mollywobbles23> He just lived. [15:26] <fawkes28> i think snape was doing everything he could so that he would redeem himself and one day be reunited with Lily in death - the Stone would not have fulfilled him [15:26] <Leela> I have wondered what 'Master of Death' meant. [15:26] <mollywobbles23> Which is what Harry is doing in the epilogue. [15:26] <CannonsKara> Harry didn't seem to have the weakness for power that the others did... That's why he could walk away. [15:27] *** bellablack88 has quit [Bye] [15:27] <mollywobbles23> and why he only kept and used the cloak [15:27] <ProngsPatronus> power--or absolute power? [15:27] <CannonsKara> absolute power [15:27] <bibs> one wants to hide from death, one wants to conquer death one wants to revive death? [15:27] <ProngsPatronus> both dd and lv were after absolute power [15:27] <Leela> I personally don't see any of the three brothers echoed in Hermione. [15:27] <CannonsKara> the cloak was the only one that he felt was rightfully his, wasn't it? [15:27] <Aislinn> I don't think that is what Master of Death really means though [15:27] <Synesthesia> she's too grounded in reality to understand. [15:27] <bcroft919> true [15:28] <Synesthesia> books and facts, no fancy for her [15:28] <Aislinn> It was their lust for power that made them buy into that fallacy. [15:28] <mollywobbles23> Hermione was pretty good at escaping dire situations and disguising the three of them [15:28] <mollywobbles23> so they could live [15:28] <CannonsKara> exactly, aislinn! [15:28] <Jartree> I think Master of Death means your able to face it without fear, like Harry did in the forest [15:28] <ProngsPatronus> books, and cleverness... [15:28] <Leela> I don't think she would have used them in their true sense even if she was given all three. [15:28] <Synesthesia> true, but she's not good at believing in dreams and fantasy, no tlike Luna. [15:28] <GEORISA> voldermort was too arrogant..he only wanted power [15:28] <Aislinn> yes, Jartree [15:28] <loopyloonyluna> Hermione picked the Cloak because that was the one you're 'supposed' to pick [15:28] <Synesthesia> (probably why she ended up with the book in the first place) [15:28] <Leela> I agree, loopy. [15:28] <tinkertime> DD was certainly lured to Mastering deat - his association with nicholas Flamel & his quest to get all three of the Hallows [15:28] <Aislinn> which is so typical of Hermione, loopy [15:28] <ProngsPatronus> I think that is right on, LLL [15:29] <bcroft919> the cloak was the most selfless of the three hallows [15:29] <tinkertime> *death not deat [15:29] <Aislinn> she would go with the conventional choice. [15:29] <fawkes28> Harry was always a master of death in a sense - just without the Hallows [15:29] <mollywobbles23> Someone put it nicely somewhere on the lounge. I'm paraphrasing: Eternal life can only be reached through death. [15:29] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Well we have muggle stories were it is also obvious the one your 'supposed to pick' to learn the moral [15:29] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Well we have muggle stories were it is also obvious the one your 'supposed to pick' to learn the moral [15:29] *** dellcia has joined #lounge [15:29] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> woops sorry for the double [15:29] <ProngsPatronus> he was already a ghost in the muggle world, when we meet him [15:29] *** bellablack88 has joined #lounge [15:30] <ProngsPatronus> hey, bella [15:30] <bibs> hi [15:30] <Leela> We obviously know which one DD would have picked. [15:30] <loopyloonyluna> Harry would of course pick the stone because so many of his loved ones have died, and Ron picks the wand because he wants to be the most powerful sibling [15:30] <Leela> Well, did pick. [15:30] <Jartree> Yes Ron is very much in the shadow of his brothers [15:30] <CannonsKara> and Hermione, always the practical one... [15:30] <mollywobbles23> I think the point of the third brother is that he didn't go taunting death or trying to defeat it. He just wanted to live. When he knew it was time for him to pass on, he walked off with Death as if they were friends. [15:30] <GEORISA> dumbledore could have had all 3 at anytime in hbp [15:31] <mrsfiggforever> when harry said to Dumbledore he was going to return the wand to its original place what did he mean? [15:31] *** dellcia left #lounge [] [15:31] <Leela> I was pretty surprised the stone worked after it was cracked. [15:31] <bcroft919> i imagine that is how harry died later in life [15:31] <Aislinn> but he had figured out that he wasn't worthy of them, georisa [15:31] <loopyloonyluna> Dumbledore finally realized that he was not worthy of the Hallows [15:31] <Jartree> He returned to wand to DD's tomb [15:31] <GEORISA> oh [15:31] <mollywobbles23> Maybe he put it back in DD's tomb [15:31] <tinkertime> He tried to - he still wanted the power & put on the ring - he didn't have to do that to destroy the horcrux [15:31] <Aislinn> yes he did. [15:31] *** Rudius has joined #lounge [15:32] <bibs> the sad thing is if voldy had stopped trying to conquer death in the first place he probably would have lived longer [15:32] <Aislinn> hi rudius [15:32] <Synesthesia> i thought he had kept the wand someplace hidden... [15:32] <Synesthesia> *Snicker* [15:32] <Leela> I wonder: Would the Hallows work for everyone? [15:32] <Rudius> lo all [15:32] <mollywobbles23> exactly, bibs [15:32] <loopyloonyluna> I think he put on the ring because he was desperate to apologize to his family [15:32] *** rudenychik has quit [Bye] [15:32] <bellablack88> yeah what did he mean? [15:32] <bellablack88> I don't think they work for everyone. [15:32] <mrsfiggforever> Do you think DD was so powerfull because of his wand?? [15:32] <ProngsPatronus> Harry believes himself to be a descendant of the 3rd brother of the story and Voldemort seems to be a descendant of the 1st brother. Which character is most likely related to the 2nd brother in the tale? [15:32] <bcroft919> as DD said in POA, it does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live... Voldy did just that and met his end [15:32] <bellablack88> They only work for those who understand what "master of death actually means. [15:32] <mollywobbles23> no [15:32] <Aislinn> no, mrsfiggforever - he was powerful before he ever obtained the wand. [15:33] <loopyloonyluna> Dumbledore had to be powerful in his own right to defeat Grindlewald [15:33] <mollywobbles23> He was able to defeat Grindewald without it [15:33] <CannonsKara> Do we know how long DD actually had the Elder Wand? Since he defeated Grindelwald in the 40s? [15:33] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Voldemort is definitely a descendant of the second brother [15:33] <Leela> I don't think anyone. I don't think he had any children. [15:33] <bellablack88> I would say DD [15:33] <mollywobbles23> probably [15:33] <Rudius> i disagree - id say Voldemort was a decendant of the second brother [15:33] <NYBookworm> maybe DD or grindewald? [15:33] <cbm> the ring was the second brother [15:33] <ProngsPatronus> the peverell ring was from the gaunts [15:33] <Rudius> the ring was after all one of the Gaunt heirlooms [15:33] <Leela> Oops, I forgot that. [15:33] <bibs> i sort of think harrys like a walking resurection stone [15:33] <bellablack88> do you think Harry is more selfless than DD? [15:33] <tinkertime> If anyone - I'd say grindewald [15:33] <bcroft919> the second brother didnt have decendants as he killed himself over the woman he could not marry [15:33] <ProngsPatronus> yes, I do [15:33] <loopyloonyluna> I think LV is too frightened of death to have anything to do with the stone [15:33] <Synesthesia> Voldermort is more like the first brother... [15:33] <mollywobbles23> I don't think the first brother had time for a family [15:33] <bibs> i do [15:33] <tinkertime> but we don't know very much about him [15:33] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> He was probably not related to anyone .... it could have been killing after killing of non- relatives for all we know [15:34] <Synesthesia> Dumbledore, the second. [15:34] <fawkes28> definitely bella, that is why Harry was the one who had to defeat Voldemort [15:34] <mollywobbles23> well, the brothers in the story are different from the actual brothers [15:34] <Synesthesia> and yes, Harry is more selfless than Dumbledore and his father when he was his age. [15:34] <mollywobbles23> it's all exaggerated [15:34] <bcroft919> true [15:34] <Synesthesia> he leanred compassion at an early age. [15:34] <bcroft919> thanks for that correction [15:34] <Leela> I would imagine that the first and second brothers had families *before* they met Death. [15:34] <fawkes28> it is interesting to think who could be a descendant [15:34] <bellablack88> Harry's actually a pretty amazing kid smile [15:34] <mollywobbles23> I was so proud of Harry in this book [15:34] <ProngsPatronus> that would make Harry ansdLV cousins [15:35] <mollywobbles23> more so than ever before [15:35] <bibs> so was i molly [15:35] <bcroft919> distantly yes [15:35] <fawkes28> he is of age now - so he is a man even though it is hard to imagine [15:35] *** strangecurses has quit [Bye] [15:35] *** strangecurses has joined #lounge [15:35] <ProngsPatronus> he will always be my boy to me [15:35] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Cousins if they're in the same um generation sort of.. [15:35] <Synesthesia> he is. i love the part when his family and Lupi said they were proud of him, and how dumbledore called him a brave man. [15:35] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [15:35] <Synesthesia> makes my eyes get slightly wet as it's so sweet. [15:35] <bellablack88> he's all grown up! (tear) [15:35] <mollywobbles23> it makes sense that they are somehow as James was a pureblood and Voldy's mother's side was pureblood [15:36] *** cbm has joined #lounge [15:36] *** AmberD has joined #lounge [15:36] <ProngsPatronus> and we know that all the purebloods are related in some way... [15:36] <tinkertime> we already have been told that there are many Wizarding relations - due to the lack of wizrding births [15:36] <bcroft919> most of the major wizarding families are related come to think of it [15:36] <Aislinn> right, mollywobbles23 - the pureblood families were all related in some way [15:36] <mollywobbles23> oh, my goodness, the scene with everyone in the forest..."Stay with me" [15:36] <Aislinn> lag, lag [15:36] <bellablack88> I cried! [15:36] <cbm> they are probably cousins many times over [15:36] <mollywobbles23> *cue molly crying* [15:36] <mollywobbles23> ouch, cbm [15:36] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I cried the most there! [15:36] *** GEORISA has quit [Bye] [15:36] <bibs> *sobs* [15:37] <bcroft919> i cant wait to see that on film... they better not mess it up [15:37] <Rudius> that was particularly heartrending [15:37] <bellablack88> *sniffle* [15:37] <Synesthesia> that was such an awesome scene. [15:37] <Synesthesia> i know! [15:37] <mollywobbles23> The only other book I've ever cried while reading was book 1 in the Mirror of Erised chapter [15:37] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> I know i was thinking about how they would make this a film a lot while I was reading [15:37] <Synesthesia> they probably will *bitter* [15:37] <bellablack88> when harry was walking into death I kept yelling "no! no!" [15:37] <bcroft919> one of the most meaningful scenes in the series [15:37] <Leela> I think the wands true owner was killed quite some time ago. [15:37] <mollywobbles23> The Forest Again was so much more intense [15:37] <Synesthesia> it was as cool as the scene in book 4. i love that seen [15:37] <cbm> there is very little fluff in this book to cut out [15:37] <ProngsPatronus> the wand was passed by conquest [15:38] <mollywobbles23> well, the only other HP book... [15:38] <strangecurses> As long as they don't cut the essentials it should be alright [15:38] <Jartree> So have we figured out when the Hallows were made? Before Hogwarts? Because LV is a descedent of Slytherin, and some have suggested Harry is a descendent of Godric, so if they are indeed related, that would make Godric and Salazar related as well [15:38] <Synesthesia> don't think the movie captured it as well, it's when i realized how awesome this series is. (it went well with H by Tool) [15:38] <ProngsPatronus> the other two Hallows were passed by succession [15:38] <mollywobbles23> I don't know about anyone else, but I can't read that cbm [15:38] *** loopyloonyluna has quit [Ping timeout] [15:38] *** strangecurses_ has joined #lounge [15:38] <cbm> is this better? [15:38] <mollywobbles23> yes [15:38] <mollywobbles23> thanks [15:38] <bcroft919> yep [15:38] <bellablack88> you know i think the hallows really don't have any special powers at all when they're combined. it was just Harry's own strength that made him win [15:38] *** loopyloonyluna has joined #lounge [15:38] <Rudius> thanks [15:38] *** strangecurses_ has quit [Bye] [15:39] <mollywobbles23> I think you're right, bella [15:39] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [15:39] <bibs> mmmm [15:39] *** cbm has joined #lounge [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> I disagree [15:39] <lmauro12> yep [15:39] *** CannonsKara has quit [Ping timeout] [15:39] <bcroft919> well the hallows all have elements in which to control death, i dont think they have a special power when put together [15:39] <Leela> I wonder how they discern who is worthy of using them? [15:39] <ProngsPatronus> we know that Dumbledore had extraordinary powers with that wand [15:39] <Synesthesia> love for one thing. [15:39] <bibs> what do you think pp [15:39] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> Well they might have power to the one who uses them... Harry wasn't trying to be the master of death [15:39] *** cbm requested CTCP moved from #lounge: back to the new interface [15:39] <tinkertime> Harry didn't need to use the hallows in the end - but that doesn't mean they didn't have powerful effects [15:39] <mollywobbles23> I think the only reason they had the power they seemed to as making Harry "Master of Death" was the emotional journey he had gone through. [15:39] <cbm> Harry was trying to protect everyone he loved [15:40] <tinkertime> It's our choices harry..... [15:40] <Leela> So, you can only use them if you don't want to use them? [15:40] <mollywobbles23> it wouldn't have worked for Voldy [15:40] <bellablack88> I agree with molly [15:40] <Rudius> I somehow dont think they combine to make a master weapon or something [15:40] <Jartree> Just the cloak and the wand would be a deadly combo [15:40] <bellablack88> yes! choices! [15:40] <Synesthesia> *Thinks of the philosopher's stone* [15:40] <Aislinn> yes, Leela - sort of a Zen concept [15:40] <Rudius> its just that if you have all three you are going to be pretty powerful [15:40] <cbm> I guess they are like the mirror of erised [15:40] <ProngsPatronus> harry was the Seeker who did not desire that which he sought [15:40] <mollywobbles23> I don't think Jo was trying to tell us that anyone can master death [15:40] <bellablack88> I thought it was great when harry was digging dobby's grave and he decided not to pursue the hallows. he was tempted, but he chose not to act on that [15:40] *** lmauro12 has quit [Bye] [15:40] <tinkertime> nice comment Prongs [15:40] <bibs> maybe like the mirror trying to get the stone, it works for some one who didnt want to use it - someone who didnt want to conquer death [15:40] <mollywobbles23> me too, bella [15:40] <cbm> exactly bibs [15:40] <mollywobbles23> that made me so happy, aside from my fat tears over Dobby [15:40] <bellablack88> yeah, like the mirror [15:41] <bcroft919> wow, so long ago [15:41] <mollywobbles23> good point, bibs [15:41] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [15:41] <cbm> but dobby died a good death [15:41] <mollywobbles23> he did; he was a hero's hero [15:41] <bellablack88> he was amazing, dobby was! [15:41] <Greeneyes15> Hey guys! [15:41] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [15:41] <bibs> hey [15:41] <cbm> protecting Harry [15:41] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:41] <Leela> So Death knew that noone would be able to use them? [15:41] <tinkertime> That's exactly what it is - Harry is MORE powerful because he chooses not to use the Hallows - he masters death without them [15:41] <Rudius> hi Greeneyes15 [15:41] <ProngsPatronus> I think that Harry did not fear death [15:41] <Greeneyes15> dobby was so awesome! that's what made his death so sad [15:41] <bellablack88> exactly, tinkertime [15:41] <mollywobbles23> precisely [15:41] <ProngsPatronus> and that is what made him a master of death [15:42] <Greeneyes15> i agree prongs [15:42] <Jartree> I want to know why Ron couldnt use the light device to Apparate out like he did to return [15:42] <mollywobbles23> apparate out when? [15:42] <Leela> I'm pretty sure he feared death, but duty came before his personal wants. [15:42] <bellablack88> that light device was weird [15:42] <bcroft919> remember that when harry entered the forest, he did possess all the hallows though he did not personally have the wand [15:42] <Jartree> in the malfoys [15:42] <cbm> the light device only got him to harry, [15:42] *** the_heir_of_ravenclaw has quit [Bye] [15:42] <Jartree> hermione actually [15:42] <loopyloonyluna> I think Harry did not want to die and was apprehensive about death, but I agree that he did not fear death outright [15:42] <bcroft919> he was still its master [15:42] *** strangecurses has quit [Ping timeout] [15:42] <Greeneyes15> the put-outer thing was wierd. i agree. i didin't really understand it [15:42] <bellablack88> i remember the light went to his heart [15:42] <mollywobbles23> they probably had anti-apparition devices...if not they just would have apparated out [15:42] *** GEORISA has joined #lounge [15:43] *** Aislinn has quit [Bye] [15:43] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [15:43] <mollywobbles23> the point of the light guiding him was that he could only find them, notice, when his name was finally said [15:43] <Jartree> well its not an ordinary apparation is it? [15:43] <Greeneyes15> maybe you could only use it to apparate in certain situations [15:43] <mollywobbles23> they avoiding saying it for a long time [15:43] <bellablack88> you know what really made me cry? the grave scene, when she talked about how harry's parents were cold, indifferent, unknowing in the ground. SO sad [15:43] <Synesthesia> he could hear them talking about him [15:43] <cbm> wasn't it established in DH tht you need your wand to apperate? [15:43] <mollywobbles23> avoided* [15:43] <bibs> do you think dd new ron might storm off [15:43] <Synesthesia> but they had a lot of protection on them so he couldn't find them. [15:43] <Greeneyes15> yes bibs. [15:43] <mollywobbles23> I think DD knew Ron was insecure [15:43] <Synesthesia> that was such a sad scene. [15:43] <bellablack88> good point molly [15:43] <loopyloonyluna> I don't think the deluminator actually appared Ron, it just guided him [15:44] <Synesthesia> christmas eve, the snow... [15:44] *** strangecurses has joined #lounge [15:44] <bcroft919> insecure, but still loyal [15:44] <ProngsPatronus> We see several ways that people have chosen to become immortal: The Philosopher’s Stone/Exilir of Life, Horcruxes, and the three Deathly Hallows. Which of the three is the most effective? [15:44] <GEORISA> how did dumbledore knew that the trio would get spilt [15:44] <mollywobbles23> yeah, it just guided him [15:44] <mollywobbles23> he trusted it to take him to them, but he actually apparated [15:44] <Greeneyes15> poor Ron. i luv him. but he shouldn't have left. [15:44] <Synesthesia> i don't know. [15:44] <cbm> the stone is to me [15:44] <Synesthesia> i don't think people are supposed to be immortal [15:44] <GEORISA> i think the stone [15:44] <Leela> The Philosopher's Stone. [15:44] <bellablack88> hmmm. remind me about the elixir [15:44] <bcroft919> id imagine that hallows [15:44] <fawkes28> see, i would choose the philosopher's stone [15:44] <Leela> It doesn't corrupt like the others. [15:44] <Synesthesia> t least with the stone you don' thave to kill someone like with the horcruxes [15:44] <Aislinn> None of them, really, but the stone is the least subversive of the natural order. [15:44] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> none. it proves everyone is supposed to die sooner or later. you can never live forever [15:44] <mollywobbles23> he let it do the destination part of the three "D's" [15:44] <Rudius> horcruxes, regrettably [15:44] <pthree> i'd say the stone [15:44] <bibs> i think its a waste of time to find imortality and forget to live [15:44] <Synesthesia> but you'd have to make a new batch all the time. [15:44] <cbm> it did not tear a soul or become an object to be fought over [15:45] <mollywobbles23> I loved Ron in this book, btw [15:45] <Jartree> Horcruxes, though its not the best life, but unlike with the stone you can die and come back. I dont think the stone keeps you from being killed by an AK or something [15:45] <Synesthesia> the hallows don't don't see to be reliable. [15:45] <Rudius> the stone is a way of delaying death [15:45] <tinkertime> For me - the stone - although the pursuit of living forever just seems wrong to me ...no matter what the method. [15:45] <Aislinn> it was an object to fight over, cbm, that is why it needed to be protected. [15:45] <Synesthesia> ron=spiffy [15:45] <bellablack88> Horcruxes damage your soul [15:45] <fawkes28> i guess all of them are unatural since humans are meant to die [15:45] <GEORISA> do horcrux change your appearance? [15:45] <Rudius> and the halloes makes you the master of death [15:45] <Synesthesia> i can't believe my friend doesn't see how Hermione can love Ron [15:45] <Synesthesia> he's a stand up guy [15:45] <Leela> They are all fought over. [15:45] <mollywobbles23> oh my [15:45] <tinkertime> agree w/ fawkes [15:45] <mollywobbles23> that's sad [15:45] <fawkes28> but the hallows suggest that one wants power, rudi [15:45] <Leela> I was wondering that, too, GEO. [15:45] <ProngsPatronus> let's try to stay with the topic, please [15:45] <mollywobbles23> brb [15:46] <GEORISA> though the horcruxes is the worst one to be immortal [15:46] <bellablack88> the stone is the most innocuous, but i wouldn't want any of them [15:46] <cbm> True, aislinn, I was really thinking of what is needed to aquire it, flamel, just made it [15:46] <Leela> Yes, fawkes, and aren't picky about how you get it. [15:46] <Aislinn> yes, it is less dark than the others, certainly [15:46] <Jartree> Do we know if the sorcerers stone stops you from aging, or from dieing? Big difference [15:46] <Rudius> true, but i think the hallows are just tools that help you to achieve immortality, but you will still need to do something about it [15:46] <Synesthesia> i'm not sure.... [15:46] <Rudius> they dont imbue you with immortality by mere poseesion [15:46] <GEORISA> mean flamel only did it and by the retelling of the story, dumbledore said that he had lived a long time and well was ready to die [15:46] <Synesthesia> but it's a cool metaphor in terms of alchemy. it takes a lot of hard work I imagine to make such a thing. [15:47] <cbm> we know very little about the stone [15:47] <fawkes28> in order to the create the stone, you have to be pure of heart - which says a lot [15:47] <ProngsPatronus> I think that people already possess immortality [15:47] <tinkertime> Famel & his wife died when they stopped using it [15:47] <Leela> I would imagine they all corrupt you all over time. [15:47] <fawkes28> the hallows and be obtained in different ways [15:47] <Aislinn> their souls do, yes, prongs [15:47] <Synesthesia> hence why Voldermort can't make one, he had to try to steal it instead. [15:47] <cbm> I have to go, bye [15:47] <ProngsPatronus> it is physical immortality which is denied humans [15:47] <GEORISA> you make the stone with using your brains then muscle like the horcruxes [15:47] <Leela> Bye [15:47] <Synesthesia> bye [15:47] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [15:47] <Aislinn> and that is the thing that Voldemort completely misunderstood [15:47] <Rudius> see ya cbm [15:47] <ProngsPatronus> bye, cbm [15:47] <Greeneyes15> see ya cbm [15:47] <bibs> as i say you probably die fighting for imortality instead of living a full and happy life [15:47] <bibs> bye [15:48] <AzraelSmurfCatcher> bye cbm [15:48] <Greeneyes15> i agree bibs [15:48] <GEORISA> is flamel the only wizarding alchemist out there? [15:48] <tinkertime> agree w/ Aislinn [15:48] <bibs> horcruxes [15:48] <bibs> are [15:48] <fawkes28> dumbledore was one too [15:48] <bibs> rwrong [15:48] <Leela> Was there ever more than one Stone? [15:48] <fawkes28> but now both he and flamel are dead [15:48] <Rudius> its a wierd dichtonomy - while you fight for immortality you dont truly live [15:48] <bibs> hmmm [15:48] <GEORISA> true [15:48] <Jartree> ya [15:48] <Leela> Didn't it say that Flamel *created* the Stone? [15:48] <fawkes28> at the time of PS/SS, the stone at hogwarts was the only known stone [15:49] <ProngsPatronus> Flamel was the only known alchemist to succeed [15:49] <bcroft919> there is a difference between being alive and truly living [15:49] <GEORISA> why make more [15:49] <Greeneyes15> i think there was only one stone, yes. [15:49] <fawkes28> yes, he is also said to have done so centuries ago in our world [15:49] <Leela> Yes, bcroft, like living for the future rather than accepting what you have and make the most of it. [15:49] <bcroft919> i think immortality destroys your ability to truly live [15:49] <bibs> why did the stone only get hidden in hogwarts at that persific time? [15:49] <tinkertime> I'd say Flamel was not evil - he harmed no one in making/using the Stone, but what did he really gain from such a long life? [15:49] *** bellablack88_ has joined #lounge [15:49] <bcroft919> agree [15:50] <Leela> Life for lifes sake. [15:50] <Jartree> its kind of the "death is the last great journey" arguement [15:50] <GEORISA> why did voldermort wait 11 yrs to go after the stone? [15:50] *** Slipstream00j has joined #lounge [15:50] <fawkes28> no, he could not have been evil if he had created the stone [15:50] <bellablack88_> he had to revive himself before [15:50] <fawkes28> that is why voldemort was not able to create one [15:50] <Leela> GEO - he needed someone to go after it for him. [15:50] <Jartree> He needed the stone to make himself a new body right? [15:50] <bellablack88_> Harry totally destroyed him when he was a baby [15:50] <bibs> imagine living for that long and watching everything die around you - it would be unbarable [15:51] <Jartree> LV was probably satisfied with just the Horcruxes [15:51] <GEORISA> well he had more faithful followers 11yrs ago [15:51] <Rudius> voldemort couldnt use the stone as vapourmort [15:51] <Synesthesia> no, he needed the stone to live longer i guess. [15:51] <Slipstream00j> i'll start with, hello! [15:51] <ProngsPatronus> LV had to get back to a place--with helpers--that he could actually get the stone [15:51] <Synesthesia> he could make a new body with that freaky spell i guess. [15:51] <Leela> Hello. [15:51] <fawkes28> yes, it would bibs - but flamel had his wife [15:51] <bibs> hi [15:51] <Leela> He wouldn't have been able to use the Stone. [15:51] <GEORISA> i understand that, but after losing his bodies, why wait so long? did he not know of the stone? [15:51] <ProngsPatronus> hello, slip [15:51] <mollywobbles23> testing [15:51] <Slipstream00j> hey, James...er...Prongs [15:51] <mollywobbles23> k...it went wonky for a bit [15:51] <ProngsPatronus> the stone was protected before then [15:52] <fawkes28> he knew of it, georisa but he was never able to obtain it [15:52] <Synesthesia> he was sort of a spirit though [15:52] <tinkertime> fawkes - that's true - I guess they had a great marriage! smile [15:52] <fawkes28> voldemort was not pure of heart [15:52] <Synesthesia> possessing snakes [15:52] <fawkes28> lol tinkertime [15:52] <bellablack88_> not at all! [15:52] <Synesthesia> random people [15:52] <GEORISA> oh, then how did dumbledore know that he was after it [15:52] <Synesthesia> he couldn't really... do anything until he found that professor. [15:52] <Rudius> a shrewd guess [15:52] <mollywobbles23> how does DD know half the stuff he does? [15:52] <Leela> DD is all knowing - DD is all seeing! [15:52] *** bellablack88 has quit [Bye] [15:52] <fawkes28> he was trying to get it by stealing it [15:52] <bellablack88_> Snape [15:52] <mollywobbles23> or did [15:52] <Greeneyes15> brb... [15:52] <fawkes28> he would never have been successful at making it [15:52] <GEORISA> one thing i saw was the trio were crazy enough to break into gringotts [15:52] <Synesthesia> he probably didn't know voldermort was after it but he figured it should be kept safe. that's a good question This post has been edited by fawkes28: Jul 29 2007, 03:42 PM |
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