Chocolate Frog Card Chat, 09/13/09, Horace Slughorn |
 Sep 13 2009, 04:15 PM
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03:00 <Rudius> : Hi everyone :) 03:00 <Prongs> : we give people 15 minutes settle-in time 03:00 <Prongs> : hello, Rudi! 03:01 <Rudius> : how you doing Prongs? 03:01 <The-T-Dane> : oh, thank Prongs, it's just because Sam wrote they've been on for hours -so I thought I'd got it wrong - again! 03:01 <Prongs> : grin--better now that you are here, my friend! 03:02 <Rudius> : :) 03:02 <Prongs> : no, you are right this time, T-dane! 03:02 <samisapotterfan> : nope 03:02 <samisapotterfan> : just being sam 03:02 <samisapotterfan> : i always am on early 03:03 <samisapotterfan> : usally role playing to myself 03:03 <Aislinn> : hello everyone! 03:03 <The-T-Dane> : Whew - sorry, Sam! I just wanted to be sure! 03:03 <samisapotterfan> : no worries 03:03 <The-T-Dane> : oh, and HI everyone! 03:03 <samisapotterfan> : i do this alot 03:03 <samisapotterfan> : role play to myself on here 03:04 <samisapotterfan> : no one heres usally and its works great 03:04 <The-T-Dane> : you do? Cool! 03:04 <Rudius> : lol 03:04 <samisapotterfan> : yep 03:04 <The-T-Dane> : The dog could help you out! 03:04 <samisapotterfan> : my record is playing 4 diffrent charecters 03:04 <Rudius> : What is it Phineas Nigellus said about talking to ones self...? ;) 03:05 <Aislinn> : ah, good. It looks like I have my driveway back. My next door neighbor was re-shingling his roof, and had asked to have a dumptruck here to load up the old stuff 03:05 <samisapotterfan> : ahhh 03:05 <Rudius> : heh at least he asked :) 03:05 <samisapotterfan> : yep if you ever happen in here 03:05 <The-T-Dane> : wow - Aislinn - nice if they are done 03:05 <samisapotterfan> : before chat or somtimes 03:06 <samisapotterfan> : on non chat days 03:06 <samisapotterfan> : i may be in hear 03:06 <Aislinn> : yes, it was nice to ask, rather than rain old shingles and nails down on my car! 03:06 <samisapotterfan> : role playing 03:06 <The-T-Dane> : Can I ask a tech Q.? 03:06 <samisapotterfan> : lol rue 03:06 <Rudius> : lol you could always go to chamber of chat :) 03:06 <Rudius> : sure 03:06 <samisapotterfan> : *true 03:06 <Aislinn> : sure T-Dane 03:06 <samisapotterfan> : doesn work for me 03:06 <Rudius> : not? odd 03:07 <samisapotterfan> : i like role playing to myself 03:07 <The-T-Dane> : ok - is it not possible to scroll back in this chat? 03:07 <Aislinn> : you can scroll back, but it doesn't store the entire chat, and everytime someone posts something new, it bounces you back to the end 03:07 <Rudius> : doesnt seem like it - at least on my PC 03:07 <The-T-Dane> : oh bummer! 03:08 <samisapotterfan> : xspecially when i do my harry poter vs edward cullen ones where 03:08 <samisapotterfan> : tellu tubies 03:08 <samisapotterfan> : and barney make cameo appernces 03:08 <Rudius> : rofl 03:08 <Aislinn> : if you click in the big box where all our messages show and then use your up arrow on your keyboard, you should be able to scroll up 03:08 <The-T-Dane> : hehe - sounds like you have your fun Sam? 03:08 <samisapotterfan> : yep 03:09 <samisapotterfan> : i turned one into fan fic once 03:09 <The-T-Dane> : found it - thanks a bunch 03:09 <Aislinn> : :) 03:10 <samisapotterfan> : didnt do i today though 03:10 <samisapotterfan> : tooo much homework 03:10 <samisapotterfan> : :( 03:10 <Rudius> : :( 03:10 <samisapotterfan> : after chat i may have time 03:10 <The-T-Dane> : better get the homework done! 03:10 <samisapotterfan> : already did 03:10 <samisapotterfan> : instead of rping to myself 03:10 <The-T-Dane> : I played Guitar Hero a bit too much today and forgot to do the laundry thing! 03:11 <samisapotterfan> : we need house elfes 03:11 <The-T-Dane> : surely do! 03:11 <Aislinn> : I just squeezed in laundry before the chat 03:11 <samisapotterfan> : i saw a animagus two nights ago 03:11 <Aislinn> : boy, I would love a house elf 03:11 <The-T-Dane> : me too - neighbour is sweet about me making noise in the nights! 03:11 <Prongs> : I would need several... 03:11 <samisapotterfan> : it was 03:12 <samisapotterfan> : a cat 03:12 <samisapotterfan> : sitting very still on rock in my drive way 03:12 <samisapotterfan> : i said mganogal 03:12 <Aislinn> : cats'll do that 03:12 <samisapotterfan> : (or however yoiu spell it) 03:12 <The-T-Dane> : A couple with kids - that would be cool for house elfs here in my house! And the bunnies would have company when the kids were playing with them! 03:12 <Aislinn> : hi jane, LJ 03:13 <samisapotterfan> : and it meowed at me 03:13 <samisapotterfan> : \it was mgongall i tell you 03:13 <samisapotterfan> : it was 03:13 <The-T-Dane> : We have a MacGonagall cat here too - in my area" 03:13 <samisapotterfan> : cause cats usally 03:13 <samisapotterfan> : scare the crap out of me 03:13 <samisapotterfan> : bu i felt drawn to it 03:14 <LillianJames> : Hi everyone! 03:14 <samisapotterfan> : hi 03:14 <samisapotterfan> : i saw a wizard last nigh 03:14 <Prongs> : ok folks, time for the chat 03:14 <The-T-Dane> : Hi LJ 03:14 <The-T-Dane> : ok 03:14 <Rudius> : Hi Lillian 03:14 <Prongs> : Horace Slughorn rejoined the Hogwarts staff during Harry's sixth year. He returned into the role of Potions Professor, and eventually Head of Slytherin House 03:14 <samisapotterfan> : for the record my t jkey is being stubborn 03:15 <Prongs> : Let's spend some time today discussing what type of person Slughorn was and his role in the series. 03:15 <Prongs> : We meet Horace in the form of a chair hidden among the rubble of a room seemingly trashed during an attack. What were your initial impressions of this new character? 03:15 <Aislinn> : I wasn't sure what to think of him 03:15 <samisapotterfan> : *pouting over the fact were not role playinginstead as i suggested* 03:16 <Aislinn> : he seemed a bit of a blowhard 03:16 <The-T-Dane> : I thought he was a bit silly - like a Monty Python figure 03:16 <Rudius> : I thought him a tad paranoid but clearly an accomplished wizard 03:16 <samisapotterfan> : i was like what the beep 03:16 <JaneMarple9> : I thought he was funny 03:16 <JaneMarple9> : a very well rounded character :) 03:16 <LillianJames> : Agree T-Dane--good description. 03:16 <samisapotterfan> : what is mounty python 03:16 <Rudius> : lol 03:16 <Aislinn> : monty python - that's great 03:16 <samisapotterfan> : WHAT IS IT 03:16 <samisapotterfan> : sorry caps 03:16 <Aislinn> : a british comedy 03:17 <samisapotterfan> : o 03:17 <The-T-Dane> : that's a series from the 70-80ies 03:17 <Expelliarmas> : I wondered why he thought himself so important 03:17 <samisapotterfan> : no wonder im clueless 03:17 <Rudius> : Comedy series from the '60s including John Cleese, Eric Idle, Michael Palin etc 03:17 <samisapotterfan> : i was like 03:17 <samisapotterfan> : wait am i allowed to say 1 cuss word 03:17 <samisapotterfan> : i dont want to get kicked out 03:18 <The-T-Dane> : no you're not Sam 03:18 <samisapotterfan> : ok lol 03:18 <Aislinn> : no cuss words 03:18 <samisapotterfan> : didnt think si 03:18 <The-T-Dane> : And Monty Python can be found on YouTube - it's worth watching if you like comedy 03:18 <Prongs> : let's stick to the subject sam, shall we? 03:18 <samisapotterfan> : so ill refrain fromanswering that question 03:18 <Aislinn> : I was a bit worried that whomever had been in the house had been abducted 03:18 <samisapotterfan> : i was 03:18 <The-T-Dane> : me too! 03:19 <samisapotterfan> : it has to do wih my reaction 03:19 <Aislinn> : given the state it was in 03:19 <The-T-Dane> : the blood was worst 03:19 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:19 <LillianJames> : yes, i thought the trashing of the place was serious at first. 03:19 <samisapotterfan> : i fel like i was going to barf 03:19 <samisapotterfan> : me too 03:19 <samisapotterfan> : i was like will she kill a charecter so soon 03:19 <LillianJames> : But I loed that Sluggie showed up as a chair--and that DD knew it. 03:19 <Expelliarmas> : it was clever, however, to have thought about a useful means of hiding himself in plain sight 03:19 <samisapotterfan> : which she did 03:19 <Aislinn> : specially since Harry had just been reading about the murders of madame bones and amelia ....whatever her name was 03:19 <samisapotterfan> : next book 03:19 <Prongs> : Dumbledore and Horace are able to put the ruined room back to rights as if it had never been damaged. Does this say anything about Slughorn's magical abilities? 03:20 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:20 <samisapotterfan> : he is a good wizard 03:20 <samisapotterfan> : strange flawed 03:20 <samisapotterfan> : much like dumbledore 03:20 <Aislinn> : It seemed like pretty advanced magic ot me 03:20 <LillianJames> : he's clever. 03:20 <Rudius> : id say it says alot - he is clealry gifted himself 03:20 <Expelliarmas> : It says a lot that he was able to so completely transfigure himself and then set the room to rights. He is more than a one-dimensional potions master. 03:20 <JaneMarple9> : he is confident at spell work 03:20 <The-T-Dane> : It said a lot - both about his character and his abilities as a wizard! 03:21 <Aislinn> : and the fact that he had made it look so believably attacked and transfigured himself so quickly 03:21 <LillianJames> : he is, jane--he can apparently do it in a hurry. 03:21 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:21 <Prongs> : seemed to me that there was a lot more going on than we knew 03:21 <samisapotterfan> : maybe hes done it many imes before 03:21 <Expelliarmas> : I wondered why he wouldn't just disapparate if he thought DEs were coming 03:21 <Aislinn> : that would seem safer 03:21 <samisapotterfan> : true 03:21 <Rudius> : he'd have to leave his stuff behind 03:21 <The-T-Dane> : only if he knew a place to go to 03:22 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:22 <LillianJames> : He didn't want to leave home? 03:22 <Aislinn> : and he surely does love his stuff, Rudi 03:22 <The-T-Dane> : he is quite attached to his stuff yeah 03:22 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:22 <Rudius> : if he had more warning im sure he would have packed and dissappeared 03:22 <JaneMarple9> : he was frightened of losing his home comforts 03:22 <Expelliarmas> : He seemed to love himself more, but perhaps his things meant more to him 03:22 <Aislinn> : his subterfuge seemed clever enough to have fooled mosts anyone, other than Dumbledore 03:22 <JaneMarple9> : indeed expie 03:23 <Prongs> : a comfy chair--it says volumes about him 03:23 <samisapotterfan> : you cant fool dumbledore 03:23 <Expelliarmas> : He's on the lam, but with all his comforts. That says more about him than his magical prowess 03:23 <The-T-Dane> : I think he partly characterised himself through his things 03:23 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:23 <Rudius> : also id say it takes a certain kind of person to be a potions master, and that kind of person wouldnt like to leave details undone, ad dissapparating in a rush would run the risk of not wiping all traces of his being there 03:24 <JaneMarple9> : yes i loved his chair formation 03:24 <Aislinn> : that's a good point, rudi 03:24 <Prongs> : also, he couldn't be sure he would not be followed 03:24 <The-T-Dane> : good points - Expie and Rudius! 03:24 <Aislinn> : he may have things he wouldn't want to have fall into the wrong hands 03:24 <samisapotterfan> : and prongs 03:24 <Prongs> : in his own way, he partakes of Moody's vigilance 03:24 <samisapotterfan> : true 03:24 <The-T-Dane> : can you be followed Aislinn? 03:24 <samisapotterfan> : yes 03:24 <The-T-Dane> : when apparating I mean? 03:25 <Aislinn> : no 03:25 <samisapotterfan> : if you are grabbed 03:25 <samisapotterfan> : as seen in book 7 03:25 <Aislinn> : not unless you are grabbed, like Hermione was 03:25 <Rudius> : if they han get a hand on you in time, yes 03:25 <The-T-Dane> : yeah, but not otherwise 03:25 <The-T-Dane> : ok! 03:25 <Rudius> : lol 03:25 <samisapotterfan> : meow 03:26 <samisapotterfan> : (sorry getting hyper that helps a bi) 03:26 <samisapotterfan> : *bit 03:26 <Prongs> : Slughorn explains that he has been moving from muggle home to muggle home over the past year. What do you think he specifically was afraid would happen to him? 03:26 <samisapotterfan> : death 03:26 <samisapotterfan> : capture 03:27 <Aislinn> : I wonder if he feared that Voldemort would put him to work for the Dark Side 03:27 <Aislinn> : making potions or something 03:27 <samisapotterfan> : i said capture 03:27 <Rudius> : Having all the connections he has, it would be a matter of time before Voldemort tries to recruit him 03:27 <samisapotterfan> : sorry tha t was rude\ 03:27 <samisapotterfan> : aislinn 03:27 <samisapotterfan> : my bad 03:28 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:28 <The-T-Dane> : I think also - like Aislinn if he was forced to work for LV 03:28 <Aislinn> : specially given Voldemort's knowledge of him from his school years 03:28 <JaneMarple9> : he was frightened voldemort would recruit him 03:28 <Expelliarmas> : I don't know that Voldemort would care at all about Slughorn, except for his knowledge of the Horcruxes 03:28 <samisapotterfan> : potitions 03:28 <Aislinn> : you don't think so, expie? 03:28 <JaneMarple9> : after all he was a slytherin, and be useful to voldie 03:29 <Prongs> : Slughorn knew about him--riddle/voldemort 03:29 <Expelliarmas> : Let's face it, they have Snape for potions. 03:29 <Aislinn> : do you think he was afraid that Voldemort would be afraid of what slughorn could tell others then? 03:29 <samisapotterfan> : snape was to busy 03:29 <Prongs> : that is knowledge voldemort does not want known 03:29 <samisapotterfan> : at hogwarts 03:29 <samisapotterfan> : to dopotitions 03:29 <samisapotterfan> : for them 03:29 <Rudius> : well, Slughorn knows alot of well connected people, either willingly or imperiused, he would have access to them and could extend voldemort's control over them 03:29 <Expelliarmas> : LV thinks Snape a willing servant, why waste time on an unwilling one. No, if LV wanted Slughorn for anything, it would be to silence his knowledge of the Horcruxes. 03:29 <The-T-Dane> : Yeah, Expie, but Slughorn could not know for sure if LV could have other plans for him? 03:30 <samisapotterfan> : yea 03:30 <Aislinn> : that's a good point, rudi 03:30 <Expelliarmas> : There are more than enough DEs who will do dark potions if necessary. The wonder is that LV didn't try to kill Slughorn in the first war. 03:30 <JaneMarple9> : he'd be a handy person to know 03:30 <Prongs> : Slughorn also knows that voldemort is a half-blood 03:31 <samisapotterfan> : true 03:31 <Rudius> : I think though if voldemort was really worried about what Slughorn knew he would have shut him up sooner - rather not leave loose ends - but Voldemort underestimated the knowledge Slughorn had 03:31 <samisapotterfan> : i always loved tha fact prongs said 03:31 <The-T-Dane> : wouldn't Slughorn think enough of himself to think he would be valuable ? 03:31 <Prongs> : oh, yes 03:31 <Aislinn> : I think that's true rudi 03:31 <JaneMarple9> : he'd think he was valueable enough 03:32 <Aislinn> : and T-Dane, I agree slughorn might believe he was valuable 03:32 <Expelliarmas> : Slughorn is the one who is worried, but that may be more his guilty knowledge; rather than LV's concern, if any, for Slughorn's knowledge. 03:32 <Rudius> : also true, Expie 03:32 <The-T-Dane> : guilty? Expie - how - I'm forgetting something here! 03:32 <Prongs> : perhaps it is one and the same for Voldemort 03:33 <The-T-Dane> : OH, yeah - the thing he told LV! 03:33 <Expelliarmas> : I think LV would know Slughorn well enough to know Slughorn would not willingly reveal his part in the Horcruxes. Slughorn won't reveal knowledge that cast his own actions into a dark light. 03:33 <Rudius> : Slughorn gave Riddle info on Horcruxes 03:33 <Aislinn> : LV did seem pretty canny about people's motivations 03:33 <Expelliarmas> : Slughorn felt great guilt over giving LV knowledge about the Horcruxes. 03:34 <The-T-Dane> : >.< - I'm forgetfull! Yeah, He wouldn't be keen on telling he acted very badly towards a student! 03:34 <Rudius> : Ye, but voldemort is ruthless enough to force infomation from unwilling targets, he would have to give credence to the notion that someone else may be too 03:34 <Prongs> : there aren't many people outside the Order or the DEs that knows the true identity of the Dark Lord 03:34 <Expelliarmas> : LV just doesn't have Slughorn on his radar. He only took Ollivander because he had info that he wanted and could not get elsewhere. 03:34 <Aislinn> : right, prongs, he made quite sure of that 03:35 <Aislinn> : agreed expie 03:35 <Prongs> : Why do you think he decided to accept Dumbledore's offer of a position? 03:35 <Expelliarmas> : Fear 03:35 <Rudius> : but it didnt hurt Dubledore's cause to let him labour under the illusion that he was 03:35 <Aislinn> : it seemed to be more slughorn's own perception, rather than an actual threat, but I think that he believed that Dumbledore was his safest option 03:36 <The-T-Dane> : To get inside the safe place! 03:36 <Expelliarmas> : With DD, he would have a place to settle down and to resume a prominant position in society. 03:36 <LillianJames-3964> : HogWarts was a safer place to be. 03:36 <Rudius> : .. and to get to know Harry a bit better... 03:36 <Expelliarmas> : I don't think retirement suited Slughorn as much as he would have liked. 03:37 <The-T-Dane> : no and hiding certainly didn't do anything for his social life! 03:37 <Prongs> : I think it was the prospect of "collecting" Harry Potter 03:37 <Expelliarmas> : Also, the chance to collect Harry was too much to pass up. Slughorn would love to say he "made" Harry, similar to Lockhart trying to take credit for Harry's success. 03:37 <Aislinn> : Harry was able to point out some important "home truths" to him 03:37 <Aislinn> : Hi hermoine 03:37 <Rudius> : hi Hermione 03:37 <hermoine101> : hi 03:37 <Aislinn> : we're talking about Slughorn, and right now, about why he accepted Dumbledore's job offer 03:38 <JaneMarple9> : hi hermione 03:38 <LillianJames-3964> : yes, I think he missed having contact with all his connections during the time he was hiding. 03:38 <The-T-Dane> : HI 03:38 <hermoine101> : i don 't know 03:38 <JaneMarple9> : i think he was fed up living on the hoof 03:38 <Expelliarmas> : I think Slughorn missed his life as a kingmaker. It had been years since he set up anyone with a good job at the MoM. 03:38 <Rudius> : ..and the pay rise... 03:38 <hermoine101> : wanna be friends 03:38 <LillianJames-3964> : Exactly. 03:38 <JaneMarple9> : having to pick a house every so often 03:38 <Aislinn> : money helps with all those creature comforts 03:38 <LillianJames-3964> : True! 03:38 <The-T-Dane> : Exact, Expie - and with a Harry at hand - it got too much to say no! 03:39 <Expelliarmas> : He might have been lonely too 03:39 <JaneMarple9> : yeah he was probably down to his last few galleons too 03:39 <hermoine101> : why the dragon blood 03:39 <Aislinn> : he did seem someone who needed people around him, yes expie 03:39 <Prongs> : and there might be a chance at redemption, too 03:39 <Rudius> : it was the only blood he had at hand 03:39 <Prongs> : maybe that played a small part 03:39 <The-T-Dane> : Dragon blood might keep 'fresh' longer? 03:39 <JaneMarple9> : probably expie - he didn't want to correspond with the well-known friends in case it gave his home away 03:39 <hermoine101> : good idea 03:40 <JaneMarple9> : one of the 12 properties ? :) 03:40 <Aislinn> : probably has some on hand for potion making 03:40 <Rudius> : i dont think he really was worried about redemption 03:40 <hermoine101> : yes 03:40 <Expelliarmas> : Slughorn needs to be around a crowd of people and needs to be the center of attention. Hard to do when you are on a lonely run. 03:40 <hermoine101> : i knowright 03:41 <Aislinn> : and he doesn't seem the type to handle being on the move all the time 03:41 <Aislinn> : he would prefer settling in with his goodies 03:41 <hermoine101> : right 03:41 <Rudius> : lol setting everything up just so must be such an onerous task 03:41 <Aislinn> : too much work! 03:41 <The-T-Dane> : WAs it Harry pointing out to him - about not being able to get gifts and cards send to him? 03:41 <hermoine101> : ha ha ha lol 03:41 <Expelliarmas> : No, Slughorn likes to be settled 03:41 <LillianJames-3964> : and hve peopel come to him. 03:41 <Aislinn> : yes T-Dane 03:42 <hermoine101> : yep 03:42 <Expelliarmas> : He would enjoy being an entertainer, hosting dinner parties in London for select folks. Can't do when you're in the middle of nowhere. 03:42 <Rudius> : a spider that keeps moving is not going to catch any flies 03:42 <Prongs> : Slughorn seems quite proud of his connections with many famous wizards and witches. Why wouldn't he believe that they would help him? 03:42 <Aislinn> : nice analogy 03:42 <hermoine101> : yea 03:42 <Expelliarmas> : Ron wouldn't like that anaology though 03:43 <Aislinn> : lol, true 03:43 <hermoine101> : unuh 03:43 <The-T-Dane> : I think he didn't actually want ot put them in harms way? 03:43 <JaneMarple9> : i'm not keen on it either! 03:43 <hermoine101> : metoo 03:43 <JaneMarple9> : maybe he wanted to keep them safe 03:43 <hermoine101> : ture 03:43 <The-T-Dane> : (I like spiders!) 03:43 <Rudius> : he wouldnt know who voldemort had gotten to yet 03:43 <hermoine101> : no 03:43 <JaneMarple9> : probably so he could still get presents 03:43 <The-T-Dane> : that too Rudius 03:43 <Expelliarmas> : His connections have no idea where he might be, how could they offer help? Notice when they find out he's at Hogwarts, they are happy to resume the friendship. 03:43 <Rudius> : and his messahes may be intercepted 03:44 <hermoine101> : say what 03:44 <Expelliarmas> : messages 03:44 <Aislinn> : I wonder if he really believes they are so loyal to him that they would risk themselves to protect him 03:44 <The-T-Dane> : oh yeah - that too - if he sends requests! 03:44 <Rudius> : his messages - sorry :D 03:44 <The-T-Dane> : LOL 03:44 <hermoine101> : lol 03:44 <Prongs> : his presents were tampered with, later--so perhaps ghis connections weren't safe at all 03:44 <hermoine101> : true 03:45 <LillianJames-3964> : i think he actually doubts how deep those connctions are. 03:45 <Aislinn> : and yes - it would be hard to know who to trust, what with Imperius 03:45 <Aislinn> : I think so too LJ 03:45 <Expelliarmas> : Yes, but they weren't his presents. That was a present meant for DD. 03:45 <hermoine101> : WHAT 03:45 <Rudius> : well draco did the tampering 03:45 <hermoine101> : WHAT 03:45 <LillianJames-3964> : He gets gifts, tickets, and stuff, but would they really sacrifice to help him? he ha to doubt that. 03:45 <Expelliarmas> : Hermione, please watch the all caps. Thanks. 03:45 <hermoine101> : ok 03:46 <LillianJames-3964> : has to, even 03:46 <Prongs> : Given some of the skills we see from Horace(transfiguring into a chair, potions skills), why would he prefer to be the influence behind famous people, rather than famous himself? 03:46 <Aislinn> : I think that he would feel he couldn't really rely on anyone else 03:46 <hermoine101> : I just didn't know that 03:46 <The-T-Dane> : *giggle* - (I've done that too once Hermione) - Would he really have those doubts? 03:47 <Rudius> : because when youre at the top theres a lot of people trying to remove you 03:47 <Prongs> : ffort, I think 03:47 <hermoine101> : you guys are nice 03:47 <Aislinn> : I think it's less effort to influence others, rather than do the achieving yourself 03:47 <Expelliarmas> : Being the person on the spot means having all the responsibility that goes with it. Slughorn only goes so far. He's not that industrious. 03:47 <samisapotterfan> : i get in trouble for that alot 03:47 <LillianJames-3964> : just one of those people who prefers the comfort of being the power behind the throne. 03:47 <Prongs> : he really likes being the eminence gris 03:47 <samisapotterfan> : no worries 03:47 <samisapotterfan> : im falling asleep 03:47 <hermoine101> : not me 03:47 <Rudius> : if you are able to swallow your pride and be behind the scenes you can have the control without the risk 03:47 <The-T-Dane> : Some people simply don't like being in front - officially - but rather act behind the front! 03:48 <samisapotterfan> : thats why im not talking much 03:48 <Aislinn> : it's comfortable to be a back seat driver 03:48 <hermoine101> : ya 03:48 <Expelliarmas> : Even behind the scenes, Slughorn only has to introduce people. He doesn't have to do any real work. 03:48 <hermoine101> : right 03:48 <Prongs> : contrast that with the Toad 03:48 <LillianJames-3964> : he gains a lot of the perks without the risk of responsibility. 03:48 <hermoine101> : oh yes 03:48 <Rudius> : well the toad wants to be at the top 03:48 <Expelliarmas> : The Toad longs to be the big Frog in charge. 03:48 <Aislinn> : right - she wanted to have control of everything and be visible 03:48 <hermoine101> : yep 03:49 <Prongs> : she likes being the power behind the throne, too--but in a totally different way 03:49 <Aislinn> : slughorn wasn't that kind of ambitious 03:49 <The-T-Dane> : He's an Idea Man - not a Working Man 03:49 <hermoine101> : i know right 03:49 <Expelliarmas> : Slughorn just wants the recognition and notoriety of being associated with the Rich and Famous. 03:49 <hermoine101> : come on 03:49 <Aislinn> : he seems perfectly content with the reflected glory and perks 03:49 <Expelliarmas> : I think the Toad aspired to the throne though--to wield power and influence. 03:49 <hermoine101> : yep 03:49 <Prongs> : and having them credit him with their good fortune 03:50 <hermoine101> : sure 03:50 <JaneMarple9> : He liked the limelight did sluggy 03:50 <Prongs> : Were you surprised to learn that Slughorn had returned to teach Potions? 03:50 <The-T-Dane> : Yeah, but she worked hard and expected to be recognized sooner or later - Slughorn knows his own comfort and prefer to stay sitting! 03:50 <Rudius> : yes i was 03:50 <hermoine101> : I think Harry hates him 03:50 <LillianJames-3964> : Yes, that was a surprise! 03:50 <Aislinn> : I was quite surprised that he was teaching Potions 03:51 <Expelliarmas> : I was! Never saw Snape shifting over to be the DADA teacher, 03:51 <hermoine101> : me too 03:51 <Aislinn> : I really didn't think Dumbledore would ever move Snape to DADA 03:51 <Rudius> : lol or being alloed to shift over 03:51 <The-T-Dane> : I don't think Harry hates him - it was a real surprise to have Snape on DADA only! 03:51 <hermoine101> : ya 03:51 <hermoine101> : not spape slughorn 03:51 <Prongs> : I thought it brilliant--I was worried how Harry was going to become an Auror 03:51 <Aislinn> : there wasn't really a clue at all about his expertise, other than transfiguration 03:52 <Aislinn> : when harry and Dd went to see him 03:52 <hermoine101> : why not 03:52 <The-T-Dane> : I don't think Harry thinks much of Slughorn though - he's not really good at talking to young kids is he? 03:52 <Rudius> : although that didnt matter in the end, Prongs ;) 03:52 <hermoine101> : right 03:52 <LillianJames-3964> : harry's not impressed by imortant connections. 03:52 <Aislinn> : I think Harry didn't admire his desire for a cushy existence and seeming cowardice 03:53 <JaneMarple9> : I thought it was great the way sluggy was potions master 03:53 <hermoine101> : ya 03:53 <Aislinn> : it's foreign to a Gryffindor's sensibilities 03:53 <JaneMarple9> : but amazed at the choice of a DADA teacher 03:53 <Expelliarmas> : Well, I didn't know he would be the DADA teacher as he tried to conceal himself rather than fight, which I would expect a DADA teacher competent to do (the Toad excepted, of course) 03:53 <LillianJames-3964> : potions did seem a good fit for him. 03:53 <Aislinn> : good point expie 03:53 <hermoine101> : i guess 03:53 <The-T-Dane> : good one Expie 03:53 <Aislinn> : yes, LJ - once we saw him in action in the classroom, potions seemed to fit 03:53 <Rudius> : not only that but harry wishes he wasnt famous, and here's someone who collects famous people; Harry had to know hed be on the list somewhere 03:53 <Aislinn> : true rudi 03:54 <LillianJames-3964> : ye, Rudi 03:54 <hermoine101> : no thing bad aislinn 03:54 <Expelliarmas> : Well, in fairness, Slughorn collects kids he thinks will go on to do great things. Most have inate talent, others have great connections of their own. 03:54 <hermoine101> : right 03:54 <Rudius> : I think Harry would have been alot better at potions if Sluggy had been there from year 1 03:54 <hermoine101> : i know 03:54 <Expelliarmas> : Slughorn was an excellent teacher 03:55 <hermoine101> : yes 03:55 <Prongs> : Snape required NEWT level students to have achieved an O on their OWLS - why would Slughorn be satisfied with an EE, and why do you think the professors had discretion to decide this? 03:55 <hermoine101> : i don't know 03:56 <The-T-Dane> : I think ONLY a professor should decide whom he wants to teach - with some limitations of coourse - but Snape's requirements was rediculous! 03:56 <Rudius> : Snape was eletist about potions; only the best would do; and hed only teach the best when it became optional for them to be in his class. If he could have his way he wouldnt teach below O from year one 03:56 <hermoine101> : ok!(few) 03:57 <Expelliarmas> : Snape's need for Os, however, would see limited numbers of students. 03:57 <Aislinn> : it seemed most of the other professors were ok with EE for their classes 03:57 <Prongs> : Snape would have done anything to eliminate Harry from his class 03:57 <hermoine101> : yes 03:57 <LillianJames-3964> : Snape didn't want to teach Harry any more in DADA? :) 03:57 <Aislinn> : yes he would have prongs 03:57 <Rudius> : Slughorn, on the other hand knew that EE would be good enough 03:57 <The-T-Dane> : So Slughorn would be convinced to be able to teach - actually - while Snape would only lower himself to those already brilliant! 03:57 <Expelliarmas> : As it is, there weren't a whole lot of students in the NEWT class,were there 03:57 <Aislinn> : he didn't have a choice in DADA though, given Harry's skill there 03:58 <hermoine101> : yep 03:58 <Aislinn> : just 12 in the class I think 03:58 <Rudius> : LOL Snape had no choice about DADA - Harry got an O in that one... 03:58 <hermoine101> : pretty shure 03:58 <LillianJames-3964> : In potions i meant, sorry.--I'm thinking as he was looking ahead to 6th year. 03:58 <Expelliarmas> : actually, he would have to teach Harry in DADA because of his vow to help Harry. Where else could he really teach Harry necessary skills other than DADA 03:58 <hermoine101> : lol 03:59 <Aislinn> : it was a place to more directly help, yes expie 03:59 <Aislinn> : although his teaching wasn't any better there than it was in potions, at least as far as Harry was concerned 03:59 <Prongs> : What did you think of Slughorn as a Professor? 03:59 <Expelliarmas> : potions weren't exactly handy in DH. the potions they used there were ones they taught themselves. 03:59 <hermoine101> : call me hermy like gawp 03:59 <Expelliarmas> : Slughorn was a motivator. 03:59 <Aislinn> : I thought Slughorn was a pretty good teacher, from what we saw 03:59 <hermoine101> : yes 04:00 <Aislinn> : the contest on the first day was very motivating 04:00 <Expelliarmas> : He even got Draco interested in the class 04:00 <The-T-Dane> : I thought he was surprisingly encouraging - not only to Harry - but to all his students 04:00 <Rudius> : He was a good teacher; except for being prone to favouritism 04:00 <hermoine101> : i know 04:00 <LillianJames-3964> : Not bad! he was interesting and seemed to know what would catch student's interest. 04:00 <hermoine101> : yes 04:00 <Aislinn> : yet his favoritism wasn't quite as bad as Snape's was 04:00 <hermoine101> : ya 04:00 <Expelliarmas> : Actually, anyone would be up to being a teacher's pet in that class, if s/he had the necessary talent. He loved Hermione. 04:00 <Rudius> : true, true... 04:00 <LillianJames-3964> : No, he seemed to encourage everyone. 04:01 <JaneMarple9> : He was amazed that hermione was a muggle 04:01 <hermoine101> : right (thanks0 04:01 <Expelliarmas> : If Draco had shown himself talented, rather than resentful, he might have made more progress with Sluggy. 04:01 <Prongs> : he was willing to be shown the goods from anyone 04:01 <The-T-Dane> : Yeah, Aislinn, but where Snape put down all others than his favorite - Slughorn didn't ! 04:01 <Aislinn> : right - I think anyone would have had a chance to excel in his class, if they could 04:01 <hermoine101> : yes yes 04:01 <Expelliarmas> : I wonder what Ginny and the younger students thought of Sluggy as a teacher 04:02 <hermoine101> : me too 04:02 <Aislinn> : right, T-Dane 04:02 <Expelliarmas> : they might have looked forward to coming to that class 04:02 <hermoine101> : maybe 04:02 <The-T-Dane> : Slughorn was just extra excited that it was Harry going on like that! 04:02 <Expelliarmas> : Slughorn at least didn't play house favorites. 04:02 <hermoine101> : YAH 04:02 <Expelliarmas> : He was happy to give points to Gryffindor 04:02 <Rudius> : i think they all were probably glad to be shot of Snape in that class (Except the Slytherins) 04:02 <Prongs> : I think he made potions interesting, for the first time in their lives 04:02 <hermoine101> : un-hu 04:03 <Aislinn> : he seemed to try to, prongs 04:03 <The-T-Dane> : yeah Prongs! 04:03 <Prongs> : Slughorn allowed Harry and Ron to join the class late. Given his desire to "collect" Harry, that is somewhat understandable, but why did he let Ron in? 04:03 <Aislinn> : like the class where he told them to make something amusing 04:03 <hermoine101> : why 04:03 <The-T-Dane> : His excitement was visible and spread to his students' 04:03 <hermoine101> : ya 04:03 <Rudius> : because he couldnt very well say yes to harry and no to ron at the same time 04:03 <Aislinn> : I think he was generally pretty genial 04:03 <Expelliarmas> : I think he would let any student who wanted to be there join the class. He would have let Harry join even if he hadn't been Harry 04:03 <hermoine101> : right 04:03 <JaneMarple9> : because he was harry's best mate 04:03 <Prongs> : Ron's friends all had talent--and so did his sister 04:03 <Aislinn> : there wasn't really a reason not to let him in, since he had the acceptable grade 04:03 <hermoine101> : yep 04:03 <JaneMarple9> : and it was ron's birthday 04:04 <hermoine101> : un-hu 04:04 <The-T-Dane> : I agree he probably would have let others in too! 04:04 <LillianJames-3964> : :) 04:04 <Expelliarmas> : It's not like they came along mid-way through the term. It was the first day. 04:04 <JaneMarple9> : yes maybe he hoped ron had hidden depths like ginny 04:04 <Prongs> : it was Ron's connections that made him acceptable 04:04 <hermoine101> : maybe 04:04 <LillianJames-3964> : Possibly, Prongs. 04:04 <Aislinn> : I agree jane, he was probably willing to see who had potential, since it was still the beginning of the year 04:04 <Expelliarmas> : I don't think Ron registered on Sluggy's radar, actually. 04:04 <Aislinn> : I don't either 04:05 <Expelliarmas> : Kind of like Arthur years earlier. 04:05 <hermoine101> : yes aislinn 04:05 <Prongs> : or, perhaps, he thought of Ron as Harry's pet 04:05 <Aislinn> : I think he would have accapted anyone into the class that had the requisite EE 04:05 <The-T-Dane> : nah- he got in because he had the grades - and that was it 04:05 <Rudius> : lol it was the first day; and the head of house had to go through everyone's time table, so he probably knew hed have stragglers coming in late that morning 04:05 <hermoine101> : yes 04:05 <JaneMarple9> : mcgonagall tipped him off 04:06 <hermoine101> : right 04:06 <Expelliarmas> : i don't think he was Head of House at that point. But McG probably put a word in his ear. 04:06 <hermoine101> : right ex 04:06 <JaneMarple9> : or maybe he knew that harry and ron wanted to be aurors 04:06 <hermoine101> : maybe 04:06 <Rudius> : no, he wasnt, but McGonnagall had to approve her 6th year's timetables - they couldnt go to class until that was done 04:06 <Aislinn> : she did, and that did seem to take a lot of time 04:06 <hermoine101> : rightruddy 04:07 <Expelliarmas> : which is surprising; they are 6th years and they still need to have their schedules approved 04:07 <hermoine101> : i know 04:07 <The-T-Dane> : why not Expie? 04:08 <Expelliarmas> : most of the kids are of age, they should be old enough to pick their classes 04:08 <hermoine101> : their 6 th years t-danr!!!!!!!!!!! 04:08 <Rudius> : well, they were dropping classes, so class registers would have to be updated and so on, and also ensure people (*cough*Neville*cough*) didnt try to take classes they were not eligible for 04:08 <hermoine101> : right 04:08 <Expelliarmas> : or which their grans would not care for? 04:08 <Rudius> : lol 04:08 <hermoine101> : un-hu 04:09 <Aislinn> : I remember classes in college that were like that - you had to make sure you had the right prerequisites, and then there were limited seats, so you had to wait if people dropped out before others could join 04:09 <Prongs> : and that some(coughHarrycough)would take the ones they had to 04:09 <hermoine101> : oh 04:09 <Aislinn> : yes, expie - soft subjects like charms... 04:09 <The-T-Dane> : Still - the classes had to be prepared - teachers prepared - and chairs be htere! 04:09 <hermoine101> : yes 04:09 <LillianJames-3964> : parents often have to sign off--McG would be the in loco parentis. 04:09 <Rudius> : lol 04:09 <hermoine101> : lol 04:10 <Rudius> : somehow i dont see her as Mooma McG... 04:10 <Prongs> : Slughorn did seem to have an ability to predict students who would be high achievers in the wizarding world. What qualities do you think he looked for? 04:10 <hermoine101> : hemm 04:10 <Expelliarmas> : Creative magical skills 04:10 <hermoine101> : yes 04:11 <Expelliarmas> : quick wit 04:11 <hermoine101> : bravery 04:11 <The-T-Dane> : interest in the subject! 04:11 <JaneMarple9> : Someone who learned quick 04:11 <Expelliarmas> : connections 04:11 <Rudius> : Talent, ingenuity, family, recommendations from others 04:11 <Aislinn> : he seemed to favor children of achievers first, but also noted magical ability or knowledge above the average 04:11 <JaneMarple9> : or good at his subject 04:11 <hermoine101> : what do you think prongs 04:11 <JaneMarple9> : knew well known people 04:11 <Expelliarmas> : yes, because he certainly saw Tom Riddle was loaded with magical ability 04:11 <hermoine101> : yes 04:11 <Prongs> : he invited Ginny on hearing about her Bat-Bogey Hex 04:12 <Expelliarmas> : also, class leaders would come to his attention as well 04:12 <hermoine101> : cool 04:12 <Rudius> : he saw that one 04:12 <hermoine101> : right 04:12 <Prongs> : so word-of-mouth plays a part 04:12 <Aislinn> : which he must have felt was advanced magic for a girl her age 04:12 <Expelliarmas> : yes, he didn't tell Ginny off for doing it, he was impressed by it 04:12 <Prongs> : Hermione was recommended to him by Harry 04:12 <hermoine101> : yep 04:12 <Rudius> : yep 04:12 <Aislinn> : and then he saw for himself how smart she was 04:12 <The-T-Dane> : nods 04:12 <Expelliarmas> : well, and she showed herself to have formidable knowledge in his class 04:12 <hermoine101> : 9thanks) 04:12 <Aislinn> : when she answered all the questions int he first class 04:13 <hermoine101> : yes i did 04:13 <hermoine101> : ; 04:13 <hermoine101> : :d lol 04:13 <Aislinn> : lol 04:14 <hermoine101> : i know right 04:14 <Prongs> : What did you think of Slughorn's choices for that first lunch on the train(Bilby, Zabini, Neville, Harry, Ginny,and McClaggen)? 04:14 <JaneMarple9> : she took a great interest in potions 04:14 <JaneMarple9> : impressive - surprised at neville though 04:14 <hermoine101> : make me your friend! please 04:14 <Rudius> : a bit hit and miss 04:14 <Expelliarmas> : Neville was chosen because of his Ministry actions the year before. Also, he's a Longbottom. Perhaps Sluggy knows Augusta 04:15 <hermoine101> : sorry 04:15 <The-T-Dane> : I thought that lunch were out of order! 04:15 <hermoine101> : yes 04:15 <Aislinn> : it seemed that he picked children whose names he recognized, primarily 04:15 <JaneMarple9> : possibly. more likely because he accompanied harry to the mom 04:15 <hermoine101> : not clever 04:15 <Expelliarmas> : The others were people who had impressive parents. 04:15 <Rudius> : he cast his net wide, caught a few big fish and a few minnows - but it seemed thats how he usually did things 04:16 <hermoine101> : or relitves 04:16 <Expelliarmas> : It reminds me of the social parties described by Jane Austen in her books. 04:16 <Aislinn> : yes, rudi - I think he started with relatives of his already collected ones, and then observed from there 04:16 <hermoine101> : what partys 04:16 <LillianJames-3964> : he did not pick Luna, or Hermione. 04:16 <The-T-Dane> : Maybe he wanted the other kids to WANT to be in one of those lunches, but it seems all wrong to me that a teacher can do it liek that! 04:17 <hermoine101> : yes me too 04:17 <Rudius> : well, luna and hermione were not mentioned in the prophet 04:17 <Aislinn> : Xenophilius would not be one of his collected, I'm sure 04:17 <Aislinn> : so Luna wouldn't be on his radar 04:17 <LillianJames-3964> : ah, sure, Rudi. 04:17 <hermoine101> : (meanies) 04:17 <Rudius> : Augusta made sure Neville was mentioned... 04:17 <hermoine101> : big time 04:18 <LillianJames-3964> : Yes. 04:18 <Rudius> : had Slughorn known who all was there he'd have needed a bigger compartment 04:18 <hermoine101> : thanks lily j 04:18 <Aislinn> : he would have! 04:18 <hermoine101> : yes 04:19 <JaneMarple9> : he was very selective 04:19 <hermoine101> : hemm hemm 04:20 <hermoine101> : yes 04:20 <The-T-Dane> : Who were meanies, Hermione? 04:20 <Prongs> : Slughorn eventually included Hermione in this group of select few. Why do you think he overlooked Ron, given Ron's friendship with Harry? 04:21 <Expelliarmas> : Ron is the anti-McClaggen. He exudes discomfort and singular lack of confidence. 04:21 <hermoine101> : the phopet and rion and shuggy 04:21 <Rudius> : He didnt know Ron was at the Ministry, and as far as he could tell he was just a hanger-on 04:21 <hermoine101> : no ron 04:21 <JaneMarple9> : because ron was always overlooked 04:22 <The-T-Dane> : oh yeah, sorry Hermione - I got lost there. 04:22 <hermoine101> : iit's ok me too 04:22 <The-T-Dane> : And Ron was a nobody - also in his lack of real outstanding skill in Potions! 04:22 <LillianJames-3964> : yes Rudi. Ron doesn't exhibit the talent, or grades here. 04:22 <Aislinn> : I was a bit surprised that he wasn't savvy enough to think it would be easier to collect Harry if he was nice to Harry's friends 04:22 <Expelliarmas> : being friendly with the rich and powerful is what Slughorn does--he doesn't need Ron for that 04:22 <hermoine101> : my spelling is not working 04:23 <Prongs> : he is civil to ron, but no more 04:23 <hermoine101> : yes 04:23 <The-T-Dane> : Proves maybe Aislinn, that Slughorn didn't really have a feel for his students 04:23 <hermoine101> : brb 04:23 <Expelliarmas> : Sluggy doesn't think that way, Aislinn. He thinks Harry should be thrilled to be collected and to network within his sphere. 04:23 <Aislinn> : he can't even get his name right, and ignores him when he invites harry and hermione to at least one of the dinners 04:24 <Aislinn> : He certainly doesn't share Harry's outlook on life 04:24 <hermoine101> : i'm back 04:24 <The-T-Dane> : Right Expie - and Prongs 04:24 <Prongs> : to be fair, ron doesn't value himself highly, either 04:24 <hermoine101> : sorry 04:24 <Prongs> : it shows in his schoolwork and the way he presents himself 04:24 <Expelliarmas> : Ron exudes lack of confidence. It gives him an air of defeat. Notice that when he thinks he will succeed how well he does. 04:24 <hermoine101> : brb 04:25 <Expelliarmas> : He is also given to the sulks and that doesn't make him the life of the party. 04:25 <hermoine101> : bye guys i got to go 04:25 <Aislinn> : bye hermoine 04:25 <Expelliarmas> : Ginny not only has talent, she has the nerve to do her thing her way when she wants. 04:25 <LillianJames-3964> : Bye! 04:26 <Prongs> : bye! 04:26 <Rudius> : bye 04:26 <The-T-Dane> : If Slughorn had a feel for kids - he would know that some kids are just late bloomers - Ron DID make it as Autor , so some skills he must have had 04:26 <The-T-Dane> : Bye 04:26 <Aislinn> : that's a good point T-Dane 04:26 <Expelliarmas> : Ginny is also very popular for her personality. So, if by talent or her own networking ability, she was going to be collected. 04:26 <Aislinn> : I think he was looking for kids that exuded ambition 04:27 <LillianJames-3964> : sluggie hadn't known Ron long enough. 04:27 <The-T-Dane> : good one about Ginny Expie 04:27 <Aislinn> : Percy would probably have been part of the Slug Club, if Slughorn had returned sooner 04:27 <Expelliarmas> : Slughorn, I think, was noted for picking out exceptional talents. Not just necessarily the ones who would go out and get good jobs. 04:27 <LillianJames-3964> : ambition is a good point Aislinn. 04:27 <LillianJames-3964> : percy would have fit. 04:27 <Expelliarmas> : So would Bill and Charlie have been recruited by Slughorn. Whether they would have joined the crowd, however, seems another question. 04:27 <Prongs> : it is worth noting Ron's immaturity at that point 04:28 <Expelliarmas> : I don't think James or Sirius were ever part of the Slug Club. 04:28 <Prongs> : both harry and hermione are more mature--even ginny is, at that point 04:28 <Rudius> : yes, and he would become a partner in a very successfull business 04:28 <Expelliarmas> : The Twins would have been recruited too 04:28 <Aislinn> : I'm sure none of the Marauders were 04:28 <LillianJames-3964> : i could see Both james and sirius being invited though! 04:28 <The-T-Dane> : Yeah, well, Ron is just preoccupied with other stuff! And Slughorn could have made him interested with not much efford 04:29 <Dreamteam> : Do we know that Slughorn was still teaching when the Marauders were at school? 04:29 <Aislinn> : yes 04:29 <Expelliarmas> : Yes, because Lily was his favorite student 04:29 <Dreamteam> : I can't remember, only that he was there when Riddle was there 04:29 <Prongs> : yes, and he speaks of not collecting sirius 04:29 <Aislinn> : he mentioned having Lily and Snape 04:29 <Dreamteam> : ah yes, I remember now 04:29 <Prongs> : of not having the pair of them 04:29 <Rudius> : well, to be fair, Ron has always been in someone's shadow, he never had a chance to shine - or the motivation to - as it would just be yes; youre just as good as the rest of your brothers, but nothing special 04:29 <Dreamteam> : the little grey cells aren't what they used to be lol 04:30 <Prongs> : Slughorn was quite pleased with Harry's performance in class. Why do you think he accepted Harry's use of the Bezoar in place of the complex potion everyone else was attempting? 04:30 <Rudius> : Ginny, however was excempt from that being the first girl in a long time 04:30 <Aislinn> : yes, he said he'd have liked the set - regulus and sirius, but I think he was referring to having him in Slytherin 04:30 <Aislinn> : I agree Rudi 04:30 <Aislinn> : Ron was in a tough position 04:30 <LillianJames-3964> : It was creative problem solving quick thinking. 04:30 <JaneMarple9> : he was so surprised to see sirius in gryffindor 04:30 <LillianJames-3964> : Or so it appeared. 04:30 <Expelliarmas> : Sluggy appreciates quick thinking. He likes cheeky students. 04:31 <Aislinn> : it did seem to be quick and creative thinking 04:31 <Rudius> : I think if anyone else had offered the Bezoar hed have been pleased too - it showed lateral thinking 04:31 <Aislinn> : it was creative thinking, but on Severus' part, not Harry's 04:31 <JaneMarple9> : reminded him of Lily 04:31 <Expelliarmas> : Even Snape wrote in the margins, shove a bezoar down the victim's throat 04:31 <The-T-Dane> : yeah, it waa the audacity he gave points! 04:31 <Dreamteam> : I think it made him laugh and he enjoyed the spontaneity of it 04:31 <LillianJames-3964> : Harry learned from it though, thank goodness1 04:31 <Rudius> : well, to be fair, Snape taught Harry that in Harry's 1st year 04:31 <Expelliarmas> : in an emergency, who has time to brew such a complex antidote? quick thinking will save lives. 04:32 <Dreamteam> : yes, it served him well when Ron was poisoned 04:32 <Expelliarmas> : Yes, and Snape taught it to him again in his 6th year ... 04:32 <Aislinn> : yes Rudi, but I don't think Harry would have made the connection for this class 04:32 <Aislinn> : hi delilah 04:33 <Delilah3136> : Hey:) 04:33 <The-T-Dane> : did Snape teach him in 6.th year? 04:33 <Aislinn> : only through his potions book 04:33 <Expelliarmas> : indirectly, he did T-Dane 04:33 <The-T-Dane> : hi Delilah 04:33 <Aislinn> : as the half blood prince 04:33 <The-T-Dane> : oh! 04:33 <Expelliarmas> : Harry's potion's book 04:33 <Dreamteam> : he taught him DADA in year 6 04:34 <Aislinn> : true 04:34 <The-T-Dane> : oh yeah - hte potions book! 04:34 <Dreamteam> : but yes, he also had Snape's potions book 04:34 <Aislinn> : and Harry learned more from him this way than he ever did in the classroom 04:34 <Prongs> : Why do you think Slughorn was prepared with an altered memory for Dumbledore when he was asked about the conversation with the teen Tom Riddle? 04:35 <The-T-Dane> : That's really a beauty of the book - would he hav elearned had he known it had been Snapes? 04:35 <Expelliarmas> : It is a source of absolute shame to Sluggy. He would have to prepare something to cast himself in a better light. 04:35 <Aislinn> : probably wouldn't have trusted it the way he did T-Dane 04:35 <JaneMarple9> : frightened 04:35 <Rudius> : i think it was altered on the removal of the memory, out of shame in what it contains 04:35 <JaneMarple9> : and embarassed 04:36 <LillianJames-3964> : He realized that it was material which should not have been told to a student. 04:36 <The-T-Dane> : But why would he be prepared for that piece of memory ot be harvested? Good question! 04:36 <Dreamteam> : DD must have asked for the memory and maybe Sluggy said he would do it for him later, giving him time to alter it. I think he would have felt ashamed to have been the one to give Riddle the info on horcruxes 04:36 <The-T-Dane> : oh - yeah D. 04:36 <Aislinn> : that could be, dreamteam 04:37 <LillianJames-3964> : good possibility Dreamteam. 04:37 <Expelliarmas> : Interesting that Sluggy made the connection of Riddle and the Horcruxes and was ready with a false memory 04:38 <The-T-Dane> : well, if DD was accepting to have it later, it would be possible 04:38 <Prongs> : Why do you think Slughorn was so ashamed of this memory? 04:38 <LillianJames-3964> : i think having a student ask aout Horcruxes was disturbing to begin with--something he wouldn't forget. 04:39 <Rudius> : it kind of depends on how one removes and alters a memory: if one thinnks about the memory while extracting it one could theoretically alter it on the fly as it were; and then the modification is done on the spur of the moment. If it is modified after extraction, then id say it would have to 04:39 <Dreamteam> : well he must have wondered how come LV survived after the attack on Harry and how he managed to come back in Harry's fourth year, he knew what horcruxes were and how they were made so he knew that giving Riddle the info would have led to murders 04:39 <Aislinn> : I think he knew Dumbledore's opinion of the Dark Arts, and this was the darkest 04:39 <Rudius> : be done without DD seeing it modified and it would be rather suspicious as to why he was loth to remove the memory in DD;s presence 04:39 <LillianJames-3964> : If he suspects Riddle used the info--he'd have to feel pretty guilty. 04:39 <Expelliarmas> : Slughorn reveals and confirms evil magic for Riddle who later becomes LV. What is there to be proud of? 04:40 <Aislinn> : he probably knew that Albus wouldn't appreciate him sharing that knowledge with a student 04:40 <The-T-Dane> : As a responsible teacher he should have done more about it - said no to Riddle and maybe even had others in on it! 04:40 <Expelliarmas> : also, how easy it was for Riddle to get the info. Riddle just flattered it out of Slughorn. 04:40 <Prongs> : he is seduced by Riddle's thirst for knowledge, any knowledge 04:40 <Aislinn> : yes, dream - he must have made the connection that LV had actually used Horcruxes 04:41 <Prongs> : seduced by Riddle's potential for greatness 04:41 <Rudius> : tricktsy hobbitses 04:41 <Prongs> : he is mostly ashamed of his own weakness--and falling to that failing to the ruin of so many 04:41 <Dreamteam> : yes, Slughorn's very susceptible to flattery, it wouldn't have been difficult to get him to do things when flattered, a little like Lockhart signing Hermione's library slip 04:42 <The-T-Dane> : it shouldn't be possible to seduce a teacher that way - it happens - but with something this serious - it's just not OK 04:42 <Rudius> : unfortunately, teachers are huiman with their flaws 04:42 <Aislinn> : he's not the strongest of characters - flattery is definitely one of his weaknesses 04:43 <Rudius> : unless he has his guard up that is; when he knows Harry's after the memory he is very wary of him 04:43 <Dreamteam> : yes, flattery and crystallised pineapple, lol 04:43 <Aislinn> : LOL 04:43 <Prongs> : I think that, by that time, he is also a little afraid of Riddle, as well 04:43 <Rudius> : ah! if Harry had crystallized pinaplle the story would have progressed do much faster... 04:44 <Expelliarmas> : no, if Ron had had the pineapple 04:44 <The-T-Dane> : Yeah, Rudius - with Harry - he's really learned his lesson! 04:44 <Dreamteam> : yeah, he should have gone shopping in Hogsmeade, lol 04:44 <Prongs> : What was it about Harry's approach that finally persuaded Slughorn to give up the memory? 04:45 <Expelliarmas> : Well, getting the teacher plastered was a definite help 04:45 <LillianJames-3964> : Mead? 04:45 <Aislinn> : mead! lol 04:45 <The-T-Dane> : It was Lily - again! 04:45 <Aislinn> : I think it was guilt about Lily, yes 04:45 <Delilah3136> : and Harry had felix felices.. 04:45 <Rudius> : thanol has so many uses 04:45 <Expelliarmas> : once he was drunk, he was so much malleable 04:45 <Aislinn> : he did seem to genuinely care for her 04:45 <Dreamteam> : yes, he became sentimental with that amount of drink inside him, weakened his defences 04:45 <Expelliarmas> : *much more 04:45 <LillianJames-3964> : It started with the emotion al pull of hagrid's loss. 04:46 <Rudius> : *Ethanol* 04:46 <Aislinn> : the booth loves to steal initial "e"s rudi 04:46 <LillianJames-3964> : right, delilah--he had the Felix 04:46 <The-T-Dane> : yah, but his true fondness of Lily did the real work! 04:46 <Delilah3136> : true 04:46 <Prongs> : Lily's eyes 04:46 <Expelliarmas> : really, all he needed was to invoke Lily and he would have had it all the sooner 04:47 <Aislinn> : yes, I think he needed to have that made real for him 04:47 <Rudius> : Actually, i dont know - i think Slughorn had to be in a suitable state of mind 04:47 <Aislinn> : I loved how they handled that in the latest movie, just as an aside 04:47 <LillianJames-3964> : Was thinking that, too, Aislinn! 04:48 <Prongs> : harry doesn't talk that much about his parents' deaths 04:48 <Aislinn> : the little fish story was beautiful 04:48 <Prongs> : it is almost shocking that he uses it here 04:48 <Rudius> : Harry seemed drunk in the movie (im just sayin') 04:48 <The-T-Dane> : Yeah, I was fond of that scene was intact - almost! 04:48 <Dreamteam> : yes, that was one addition I liked 04:48 <Aislinn> : it does shock horace, prongs 04:48 <LillianJames-3964> : probably effects of the felix felicis! 04:49 <Prongs> : Why do you think Slughorn was able to answer Tom's questions about Horcruxes? Why would he know such Dark magic? 04:49 <The-T-Dane> : I just thought he seemed Giddy (did I spell that right - like joyfull) 04:49 <Aislinn> : they needed to show the effects of the felix somehow, up on the screen 04:49 <LillianJames-3964> : hmm, he was a Slytherin? 04:49 <Dreamteam> : Well he's a Slytherin, I think they know more about the dark arts than most 04:49 <JaneMarple9> : well put lillian 04:50 <Expelliarmas> : Slughorn himself is a brilliant wizard. I would think he would know simply because he is a teacher. 04:50 <JaneMarple9> : slytherins are adept at the dark arts 04:50 <Aislinn> : Slughorn doesn't seem to have Dumbledore's and McGonagall's sensibilities about right and wrong 04:50 <Expelliarmas> : yes, you got that right, T-Dane 04:50 <Prongs> : that knowledge wasn't forbidden in the days of Dippet 04:50 <The-T-Dane> : Slughorn like knowledge! (thanks E) 04:50 <Prongs> : it was in the restricted section 04:50 <Dreamteam> : yeah, Slytherin again, they have a different view of right and wrong 04:50 <Rudius> : well, i dont think Slytherin = evil; its probably just Riddle hoping Slughorn did know something about it 04:50 <LillianJames-3964> : i think as a Slyth he was exposed to, and probably very interested in Dark magic. 04:50 <Aislinn> : that's true, prongs - it was dumbledore who removed the books, once made headmaster 04:51 <Aislinn> : but he did know something about it, which is a bit disturbing to me 04:51 <Expelliarmas> : Riddle wanted confirmation and instruction which he got from Slughorn 04:51 <Prongs> : we can posit that other hadmasters were more lenient than that 04:51 <Expelliarmas> : He knew a lot about it 04:51 <Dreamteam> : I agree Rudius, Slytherin doesn't = evil but I think they have more exposure to the dark arts, so he would be more likely to know about them than some other teachers 04:51 <Rudius> : maybe there is a potion involved in froming a horcrux? 04:52 <LillianJames-3964> : Of the professors, Slugg was probably the most likely to know something. 04:52 <Expelliarmas> : Either a potion or a very complex spell 04:52 <Delilah3136> : i think its just a spell.. 04:52 <Dreamteam> : yes, I don't think it would be easy to do 04:52 <Expelliarmas> : and the most likely to reveal what he knew to the right person 04:52 <LillianJames-3964> : yes 04:52 <Rudius> : that would make it more obvious to go to Slughorn for answers 04:52 <Prongs> : Slughorn seemed shocked that Snape would have killed Dumbledore. What do you think their relationship was with each other? 04:52 <LillianJames-3964> : ' you're not like the other professors..." 04:53 <Aislinn> : I think he must have admired Snape's skills, when he was a student 04:53 <Expelliarmas> : I think it would have been teacher student. I never got the sense that Snape was in the Slug Club. 04:53 <Aislinn> : he commented that snape was nearly as good as lily, or something to that effect 04:53 <JaneMarple9> : they considered each other equals 04:53 <Expelliarmas> : Snape might have been too Dark Arts for Slughorn. Especially after a good portion of an earlier Slug Club featured a marked amount of future DEs. 04:53 <JaneMarple9> : he would have taught snape 04:54 <The-T-Dane> : no but Snape was head of Slytherin and they tend to do what's right more than other Slytherins? 04:54 <LillianJames-3964> : he would have known Snape was a DE, though. 04:54 <Dreamteam> : He would have taught Snape, but I wonder whether Slughorn had heard rumours about Snape and LV which would have worried him, scared him maybe 04:54 <Expelliarmas> : Slughorn would have respected Snape; but I think would have also been worried about Snape's prior life as a DE 04:54 <Prongs> : dumbledore vouched for Snape--snape broke that parole 04:55 <Expelliarmas> : He would likely treat Snape as he does Draco--with caution 04:55 <Rudius> : I think Slughorn would have spoken to Dumbledore about Snape before joining as Nape had been accused of being a DE in the past, and Slughorn would know Snape associated with people who had become DE's 04:55 <Rudius> : DD probably assuerd Slughorn that Snape could be trusted 04:55 <Expelliarmas> : I don't know DD would have given such an assurance, but perhaps McG might have done so. DD never gave away his secrets. 04:56 <Dreamteam> : He probably assumed that, as Snape was teaching at Hogwarts, DD trusted him 04:57 <Aislinn> : and may have even heard Dumbledore say as much 04:57 <Expelliarmas> : Slughorn can be a rather careful fellow 04:57 <Rudius> : Im sure DD would be happy to say "Dont worry Snape wont hand you over to Voldemort, or kill you ... (but me on the other hand...) 04:57 <Aislinn> : yes 04:57 <Aislinn> : lol 04:57 <The-T-Dane> : *a little scared giggle* 04:57 <Prongs> : During the Battle of Hogwarts, Slughorn initially left the school with the underage students. Why did he return to the battle later on? 04:58 <Dreamteam> : I think his principles wouldn't let him leave completely and he also might have wanted to make sure the students got safely away 04:58 <The-T-Dane> : Because it was the right thing to do - Slytherins are not coward per se - they just have to make sure their actions 'pay' 04:58 <Expelliarmas> : McG's words rang in his ears--it was time for Slytherin's House to decide on its allegiance. Sad that more Slytherins didn't return to fight against LV. 04:59 <Aislinn> : yes, I think when it came down to it, he realized this was the time to take a stand 04:59 <Rudius> : one of 2 reasons: either because he only went to make sure the youngsters got away OK or 2 because after he left he couldnt live with himself and felt compelled to return 04:59 <LillianJames-3964> : Agree, Expie. 04:59 <Aislinn> : it may have been both of those, Rudi 04:59 <Expelliarmas> : I think he escorted his students to safety and then returned of his own accord. 04:59 <The-T-Dane> : yah, both sounds plausible 04:59 <Aislinn> : he wanted to make sure they were safe, but once he was out there, felt compelled to return 05:00 <The-T-Dane> : didn't he come with reinforcement? 05:00 <Expelliarmas> : I think he may have also warned the students not to even think about coming back to fight for LV. 05:00 <Aislinn> : I bet the numbers of people who were returning with him affected his decision as well 05:00 <Aislinn> : there were lots of people pouring back over those walls 05:00 <Rudius> : lol 05:00 <LillianJames-3964> : yes, he wasn't exactly alone. 05:00 <Prongs> : he fought voldemort himself--a bit of redemption for sluggy, i think 05:01 <LillianJames-3964> : True, Prongs. 05:01 <Rudius> : well, Phineas Nigellus did mention Slytherins are brave 05:01 <Expelliarmas> : That was a big moment for the Slytherin House--to turn on the heir to Slytherin 05:01 <The-T-Dane> : yeah, Prongs - he really knew what was right and had the means to pull through 05:02 <Aislinn> : This has been a really fun chat about old Sluggy - hope to see you all next week when we continue a discussion of Jane's favorite character, Neville! 05:02 <LillianJames-3964> : yay1 05:02 <Rudius> : yay Neville 05:02 <The-T-Dane> : OH goodie - I'll try to be there! 05:02 <Aislinn> : Saturday at 1pm, eastern 05:02 <Dreamteam> : great, I'll try to be here on time 05:02 <Expelliarmas> : awesome! 05:02 <Dreamteam> : bye everyone 05:02 <Rudius> : bye 05:02 <The-T-Dane> : Bye - and thanks for a nice chat! 05:02 <LillianJames-3964> : Bye! 05:03 <Aislinn> : bye all, and thanks for sharing your thoughts! 05:03 <Prongs> : CB huggles to all! |
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