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Christian Symbolism in the Harry Potter Series, Part VI
Shard
post Oct 16 2007, 11:16 AM
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Continue the Christain Symbolism discussion here. Here is a link to Part V.


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QUOTE(ravenclaw wannabe @ Oct 16 2007, 04:08 PM) *
QUOTE(Smullyan_for_DD @ Oct 16 2007, 03:10 PM) *
She didn't say the place worked well, she said the name worked well. There most certainly is a reference to the warrior queen, but that occurs in book 1, and at the very end of book 7. Those references are not the place name "King's Cross".
I think you're seeing the three Kings in toast, my friend! wink.gif I believe we had a poster here a couple of threads ago who talked about straw man arguments?! This one appears to be a rhetorical beastie of that variety.


Smullyan, I looked again at Sorcerer's Stone and Deathly Hallows. Where is the reference to Boudicca? I'm just not seeing it... am I missing something? Other than the possible connection between Victoire's name and Boudicca? I'm not discounting a reference--I am just not seeing it.

Also, a nice distinction you are making between place and name....

And I don't particularly see a Three Kings reference myself, although I'd like to see the argument fleshed out (as well as Eileen and Merope as BVM references biggrin.gif )

Thank you smile.gif

I think the reference to Boudicca is in Platform 9 3/4 as that is where she was said to have fallen and legend has it that her ghost haunts the place. We can go on with the Arthurian legend from here, but that's another thread (and besides, it doesn't explain the "Cross" in "King's Cross", or the theme of redemption in offering Voldemort one last chance to repent, that being an option for him solely by the presence of Harry's blood!).

I'm truly not seeing the BVM reference for Eileen and Merope either, Lily yes.


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- Shard   Christian Symbolism in the Harry Potter Series   Oct 16 2007, 11:16 AM
- - ravenclaw wannabe   davidenglish says QUOTEWell, King's Cross has ...   Oct 16 2007, 12:27 PM
- - Smullyan_for_DD   QUOTE(davidenglish @ Oct 16 2007, 12:10 P...   Oct 16 2007, 02:10 PM
|- - ravenclaw wannabe   QUOTE(Smullyan_for_DD @ Oct 16 2007, 03:1...   Oct 16 2007, 03:08 PM
- - wordsaremagic   QUOTEAriahnrod: QUOTEQUOTE Also the AK kills ins...   Oct 16 2007, 03:43 PM
- - davidenglish   I'm not sure what Smully is referring to. And ...   Oct 16 2007, 03:44 PM
|- - ravenclaw wannabe   QUOTE(davidenglish @ Oct 16 2007, 04:44 P...   Oct 17 2007, 12:10 AM
- - momwitch   Part of the significance of Boudicca was that she ...   Oct 16 2007, 05:08 PM
|- - davidenglish   QUOTE(momwitch @ Oct 16 2007, 10:08 PM) A...   Oct 16 2007, 06:51 PM
- - Arianhrod   QUOTE(wordsaremagic @ Oct 16 2007, 04:43 ...   Oct 16 2007, 07:22 PM
|- - wordsaremagic   QUOTE(Arianhrod @ Oct 16 2007, 05:22 PM) ...   Oct 17 2007, 12:27 AM
|- - ravenclaw wannabe   QUOTE(wordsaremagic @ Oct 17 2007, 01:27 ...   Oct 17 2007, 07:42 AM
- - luna'sceiling   QUOTE(wordsaremagic @ Oct 17 2007, 01:27 ...   Oct 17 2007, 01:32 AM
- - momwitch   Though it has been a long time since I attended sc...   Oct 17 2007, 05:14 AM
- - Arianhrod   QUOTEWell, yes, but that doesn't mean that the...   Oct 17 2007, 05:29 AM
- - jacobmarley   I have to agree with Momwitch on the King's Cr...   Oct 17 2007, 07:23 AM
|- - roonwit   QUOTE(jacobmarley @ Oct 17 2007, 01:23 PM...   Oct 17 2007, 08:27 AM
|- - jacobmarley   QUOTE(roonwit @ Oct 17 2007, 01:27 PM) QU...   Oct 18 2007, 06:02 AM
- - davidenglish   Well, again, Harry describes the loved ones recall...   Oct 17 2007, 07:34 AM
- - momwitch   Bill and Fleur's daughter Victoire is a prince...   Oct 17 2007, 07:53 AM
|- - ravenclaw wannabe   QUOTE(momwitch @ Oct 17 2007, 08:53 AM) B...   Oct 17 2007, 12:26 PM
- - wordsaremagic   I hardly qualify as an expert--just an undergradua...   Oct 17 2007, 08:16 AM
|- - luna'sceiling   QUOTE(wordsaremagic @ Oct 17 2007, 09:16 ...   Oct 17 2007, 08:40 AM
- - Henrietta   Surely there's also the quite simple concept o...   Oct 17 2007, 08:17 AM
|- - Arianhrod   QUOTE(Henrietta @ Oct 17 2007, 08:17 AM) ...   Oct 17 2007, 08:22 AM
- - roonwit   Those of you who haven't yet seen it check out...   Oct 17 2007, 11:19 AM
|- - Henrietta   QUOTE(roonwit @ Oct 17 2007, 08:19 AM) Th...   Oct 17 2007, 11:33 AM
- - luna'sceiling   Ironically, we didn't really deal with the quo...   Oct 17 2007, 12:36 PM
- - davidenglish   Well, I'd like the MTV article better if Shawn...   Oct 17 2007, 02:02 PM
|- - ravenclaw wannabe   QUOTE(davidenglish @ Oct 17 2007, 03:02 P...   Oct 17 2007, 03:21 PM
|- - roonwit   QUOTE(ravenclaw wannabe @ Oct 17 2007, 09...   Oct 17 2007, 03:40 PM
- - momwitch   QUOTEmomwitch As nice as I think that would be hav...   Oct 17 2007, 02:09 PM
- - davidenglish   QUOTEHe once quoted a line of Browning as a suitab...   Oct 17 2007, 03:50 PM
- - Inner eye   I agree wholeheartedly with your interpretation of...   Oct 17 2007, 04:46 PM
- - davidenglish   Yes, there's nothing there that we haven't...   Oct 17 2007, 05:28 PM
|- - roonwit   QUOTE(davidenglish @ Oct 17 2007, 11:28 P...   Oct 17 2007, 05:37 PM
||- - davidenglish   QUOTE(roonwit @ Oct 17 2007, 10:37 PM) We...   Oct 17 2007, 05:55 PM
|- - ravenclaw wannabe   QUOTE(davidenglish @ Oct 17 2007, 06:28 P...   Oct 17 2007, 06:12 PM
|- - davidenglish   QUOTE(ravenclaw wannabe @ Oct 17 2007, 11...   Oct 17 2007, 06:24 PM
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|- - Arianhrod   QUOTE(wordsaremagic @ Oct 17 2007, 09:14 ...   Oct 17 2007, 08:42 PM
- - momwitch   I think if JKR "came out" as a Christian...   Oct 17 2007, 05:34 PM
- - Arianhrod   QUOTE(Inner eye @ Oct 17 2007, 05:46 PM) ...   Oct 17 2007, 06:12 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEthink if JKR "came out" as a Christ...   Oct 17 2007, 06:21 PM
|- - momwitch   QUOTE(Maime the Hunter @ Oct 17 2007, 11...   Oct 17 2007, 09:28 PM
- - davidenglish   wordsaremagic, I did not attack Americans. I point...   Oct 17 2007, 08:51 PM
|- - wordsaremagic   QUOTE(davidenglish @ Oct 17 2007, 06:51 P...   Oct 17 2007, 10:09 PM
|- - ravenclaw wannabe   QUOTE(wordsaremagic @ Oct 17 2007, 11:09 ...   Oct 18 2007, 08:18 AM
|- - davidenglish   It is always a pleasure to read you, ravenclaw wan...   Oct 18 2007, 09:31 AM
|- - ravenclaw wannabe   QUOTE(davidenglish @ Oct 18 2007, 10:31 A...   Oct 18 2007, 10:14 AM
|- - Henrietta   QUOTE(davidenglish @ Oct 18 2007, 06:31 A...   Oct 18 2007, 10:25 AM
- - luna'sceiling   I think it is fair to say that we all would like t...   Oct 17 2007, 08:54 PM
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- - luna'sceiling   QUOTE(davidenglish @ Oct 17 2007, 11:47 P...   Oct 18 2007, 02:11 AM
- - momwitch   The Oracle of Delphi told Socrates that he was the...   Oct 18 2007, 05:44 AM
- - davidenglish   luna'sceiling, I don't know if JKR just fo...   Oct 18 2007, 06:58 AM
|- - wordsaremagic   QUOTE(davidenglish @ Oct 18 2007, 04:58 A...   Oct 18 2007, 07:34 AM
- - ravenclaw wannabe   A nice post, Henrietta, and very thoughtful. My p...   Oct 18 2007, 11:19 AM
- - momwitch   Henrietta: QUOTEThe religious right in America is ...   Oct 18 2007, 01:07 PM
- - luna'sceiling   I suspect that Jo left it out. This quote was tak...   Oct 18 2007, 01:34 PM
- - rotfang07   RE Jacobmarley KING'S CROSS King's Cross S...   Oct 18 2007, 01:47 PM
|- - Arianhrod   QUOTE(rotfang07 @ Oct 18 2007, 02:47 PM) ...   Oct 18 2007, 05:15 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   I don't think we can look on Christainity as i...   Oct 18 2007, 02:31 PM
- - blue4t   I thought the reason Rowling wouldn't discuss ...   Oct 18 2007, 03:27 PM
|- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTE(blue4t @ Oct 18 2007, 02:27 PM) I t...   Oct 18 2007, 08:02 PM
|- - blue4t   QUOTE(Maime the Hunter @ Oct 18 2007, 09...   Oct 18 2007, 10:52 PM
|- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTE(blue4t @ Oct 18 2007, 09:52 PM) Tha...   Oct 19 2007, 11:35 AM
|- - davidenglish   St Pancras is a train station. It really doesn...   Oct 19 2007, 02:04 PM
|- - ravenclaw wannabe   QUOTE(davidenglish @ Oct 19 2007, 03:04 P...   Oct 19 2007, 06:16 PM
- - davidenglish   She's the Queen of diversity. QUOTEPerhaps eve...   Oct 18 2007, 03:41 PM
- - rotfang07   I did not know St Martin and St Mary were patron s...   Oct 18 2007, 07:55 PM
|- - davidenglish   Don't you mean St Mary Martin? QUOTE(rotfang...   Oct 18 2007, 08:43 PM
|- - Henrietta   QUOTE(davidenglish @ Oct 18 2007, 05:43 P...   Oct 19 2007, 08:45 AM
- - rotfang07   My reasoning was more that Rowling, when she lived...   Oct 18 2007, 09:29 PM
- - Arianhrod   QUOTE(rotfang07 @ Oct 18 2007, 09:29 PM) ...   Oct 19 2007, 09:48 AM
|- - luna'sceiling   QUOTE(Arianhrod @ Oct 19 2007, 10:48 AM) ...   Oct 19 2007, 11:03 AM
|- - Arianhrod   QUOTE(luna'sceiling @ Oct 19 2007, 12...   Oct 19 2007, 11:08 AM
|- - ravenclaw wannabe   QUOTE(Arianhrod @ Oct 19 2007, 12:08 PM) ...   Oct 19 2007, 01:31 PM
- - momwitch   Where I have lived, the most popular churches actu...   Oct 19 2007, 10:10 AM
- - momwitch   I could be wrong, but I think the "P" wo...   Oct 19 2007, 01:58 PM
- - Maime the Hunter   If I chose to see Kreacher's existance as only...   Oct 19 2007, 03:02 PM
- - luna'sceiling   QUOTE(davidenglish @ Oct 19 2007, 03:04 P...   Oct 19 2007, 08:06 PM
- - chloe squibbulus   On the subject of Rowling’s equivocality with her ...   Oct 19 2007, 10:39 PM
- - luna'sceiling   chloe There is nothing inconsistent with a Christi...   Oct 20 2007, 01:01 AM
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|- - jacobmarley   QUOTE(luna'sceiling @ Oct 20 2007, 06...   Oct 20 2007, 06:37 AM
|- - chloe squibbulus   QUOTE(luna'sceiling @ Oct 20 2007, 02...   Oct 20 2007, 07:58 PM
|- - EatingPie   Phew! Finally (mostly!) up-to-date. Gr...   Oct 21 2007, 12:44 AM
|- - luna'sceiling   QUOTE(chloe squibbulus @ Oct 20 2007, 08...   Oct 21 2007, 03:07 AM
|- - jacobmarley   QUOTE(luna'sceiling @ Oct 21 2007, 08...   Oct 21 2007, 08:20 AM
|- - fiasco   QUOTE(jacobmarley @ Oct 21 2007, 09:20 AM...   Oct 21 2007, 09:23 AM
- - momwitch   I agree and think that is a great revelation. I a...   Oct 20 2007, 08:27 AM
- - luna'sceiling   QUOTE(jacobmarley @ Oct 20 2007, 07:37 AM...   Oct 20 2007, 10:49 AM
- - Maime the Hunter   QUOTEI agree and think that is a great revelation ...   Oct 20 2007, 11:08 AM
- - EatingPie   Well I'm back! Want to respond to week-ol...   Oct 20 2007, 05:52 PM
|- - theredwitch   QUOTE(EatingPie @ Oct 20 2007, 10:52 PM) ...   Oct 21 2007, 07:48 AM
- - momwitch   QUOTELilith is a legendary figure, and does not ap...   Oct 21 2007, 10:25 AM
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