Clues To Characters Real Identities, What do we know so far.... |
 Jul 15 2007, 01:59 AM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 115 Joined: 2:40am May 4, 2007 Location: the lightning-struck tower  |
I thought this was kind of interesting. The meaning of Percival - part of Dumbledore's long name - is "to pierce the veil". Coincidence? Does this mean DD will somehow communicate with Harry through the veil or something else?
For anyone interested in name origins and their significance to the characters, i'd definitely consult the "name origins" section of Mugglenet.com -------------------- THE POWER THE DARK LORD KNOWS NOT...COMMON SENSE.
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Jul 15 2007, 04:31 AM
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Terrortours Travel Agent Posts: 6,828 Joined: 12:34pm January 24, 2007 |
QUOTE What's up with Lucius Malfoy? Is he named after Lucius Septimus Severus too? Maybe - all three parts of that guy's name appear in the series - Septimus Weasley was Arthur's father (apparently, based on the Black family tree). But there were many real and fictional people with Lucius as part of their name - see Lucius in wikipedia. One that I find interesting is Lucius Tiberius who was defeated by King Arthur in legend. It seems by choosing the name Rowling is hinting both at closeness with Snape and rivalry with Arthur. |
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Jul 15 2007, 05:31 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 21 Joined: 8:07am November 18, 2006 |
Just a thought, JKR studied 'The Classics and French' are there any french meanings to any names, Fleur is french!
[quote]severity Look up severity at Dictionary.com 1481, "austerity or strictness of life," from M.Fr. severite, from L. severitas, from severus "stern, strict, serious," possibly from *se vero "without kindness," from se "without" (see secret) + *vero "kindness," neuter ablative of verus "true" (see very). Meaning "strictness in dealing with others" is recorded from 1530. Severe is 1548, from M.Fr. severe, from L. severus.[/quote] Just another thought of the track a bit, at the beginning of THBP, malfroy cursed harry with the Petrificus Totalus spell, could snape used a form of this on DD to FAKE his death? [/QUOTE]fleur-de-lis 1352, from O.Fr., lit. "flower of the lily," especially borne as a heraldic device on the royal arms of France. Perhaps originally representing an iris, or the head of a scepter, or a weapon of some sort. Interesting?! |
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Jul 16 2007, 03:01 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 188 Joined: 3:13pm July 15, 2007 Location: under the stairs/stars  |
My favourite meanings that have so far not been prominent in the plots of the books have been:
* Regulus is the name of the star that (as far as google will tell me) is actually brighter than Sirius, and is the heart of Leo, the lion constellation - "heart of the lion" suggests courage. R.A.B. must have been talented and courageous, whoever he/she/it turns out to be... but if it's Regulus then those meanings would fit! * Abraxas, Lucifer and the Dragon are all demons in Judeo-Christian mythology - Abraxas, Lucius and Draco Malfoy! Draco also fits in with the Black's stellar naming pattern. (I live in England and I keep seeing vans with "SnapeCall" written on them and laughing my head off - stupid geography.) -------------------- Remember Cedric Diggory - the real Hogwarts champion Slytherin - we're not all bad. Seriously, have a cookie. |
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Jul 16 2007, 04:05 PM
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Eeylops Owl Cage Cleaner Posts: 206 Joined: 5:45pm July 18, 2005 |
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QUOTE To bevel the end of a timber to fit against an inclined surface. I also find it sort of interesting that his last name is only 1 letter off from Snipe (as in snipe hunting or wild goose chase) As for Draco This can be a couple of things QUOTE the first lawgiver of ancient Athens, Greece, from whom the term draconian is derived
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Jul 16 2007, 05:25 PM
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Butterbeer Connoisseur Posts: 1,456 Joined: 5:38pm June 22, 2007 |
QUOTE(zoedoll @ Jul 16 2007, 03:01 PM) [snapback]1311686[/snapback] * Abraxas, Lucifer and the Dragon are all demons in Judeo-Christian mythology - Abraxas, Lucius and Draco Malfoy! Draco also fits in with the Black's stellar naming pattern. The Dragon is not a demon in Judeo-Christian mythology. King Arthur's surname was Pendragon, or "chief dragon", and the red dragon is the national symbol of Wales. -------------------- There is more to life than dreaming.
There is more to love than making it. There is more to you than meets the eye. . . --Mars Bonfire |
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Jul 16 2007, 06:16 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 188 Joined: 3:13pm July 15, 2007 Location: under the stairs/stars |
QUOTE(Chocolatl @ Jul 16 2007, 05:25 PM) [snapback]1312065[/snapback] QUOTE(zoedoll @ Jul 16 2007, 03:01 PM) [snapback]1311686[/snapback] * Abraxas, Lucifer and the Dragon are all demons in Judeo-Christian mythology - Abraxas, Lucius and Draco Malfoy! Draco also fits in with the Black's stellar naming pattern. The Dragon is not a demon in Judeo-Christian mythology. King Arthur's surname was Pendragon, or "chief dragon", and the red dragon is the national symbol of Wales. Um, it kind of was. St George, patron saint of England (despite the fact he didn't live anywhere near... sigh...) slays a dragon. The dragon is a very complicated symbol though, it can be good or bad. A bit like Draco, perhaps. -------------------- Remember Cedric Diggory - the real Hogwarts champion Slytherin - we're not all bad. Seriously, have a cookie. |
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Jul 16 2007, 06:42 PM
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Eeylops Owl Cage Cleaner Posts: 215 Joined: 12:06am July 15, 2007 Location: Reluctantly accepting some of Professor Slughorn's crystalized pineapple in the Slug Club. |
QUOTE(The dark mark @ Jul 14 2007, 11:59 PM) [snapback]1308364[/snapback] I thought this was kind of interesting. The meaning of Percival - part of Dumbledore's long name - is "to pierce the veil". Coincidence? Does this mean DD will somehow communicate with Harry through the veil or something else? For anyone interested in name origins and their significance to the characters, i'd definitely consult the "name origins" section of Mugglenet.com Ohh nice one!I wonder why I didn't see that one before. 
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"Books!And cleverness!There are more important things- friendship and bravery."-Hermione ''What's that?'' said Ron, pointing at a large dish of some sort of shellfish stew that stood beside a large steak-and-kidney pudding. ''Bouillabaisse,'' said Hermione. ''Bless you,'' said Ron. |
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Jul 16 2007, 07:06 PM
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Rat Spleen Restocker at the Apothecary Posts: 472 Joined: 8:35pm June 2, 2007 Location: In detention, cleaning the floor of the owlry and being bitten for my trouble! |
QUOTE(HPSpec @ Jul 14 2007, 09:14 PM) [snapback]1307907[/snapback] Very interesting topic, particularly if we broaden it a bit: Janus Thickey Ward (St Mungo's) Janus is the two-faced god for which the month of January. Guess Severus Snape's birth month? And doesn't 'two-faced' have Snape written all over it? One face for Voldemort and one for Dumbledore. Might someone in that ward have something to do with Snape? Severus Snape There is the standard 'Severe - us' idea Irma Pince The ever present 'I'm a Prince' theory - does Irma tie to Snape? Is this why we never see them interact? Narcissa Greek Mythology character - died by being unable to do anything but look at his reflection. Does she care for anyone but herself (or her son, an extension of herself?) Argus Filch Argus is a mythological creature with many eyes (one hundred? one thousand? I don't remember). Will we learn he has been 'watching' for something to protect something else? That he prowls the school out of concern for something other than the students? And could he have been involved in 'filching' something? Say one of Voldemort's Horcrux relics? Alchemy Theory: Black, Albus (white), Rubeus (red) People can read of that elsewhere There are many more...but that's all I can remember for the moment. I'm only repeating the work of others so forgive me if they aren't quite right. The nicknames are also important, Narcissa is also called Cissy, with the obvious playground connotations. Alastor was a demon and the chief executioner in hell but that description was tied to Barty Crouch, Jr. through a poem by a poet called Percy! I think I prefer Mad-Eye, thank you! (Moody seems to me to be a cross between Hannibal Barca and Thomas Jefferson, Constant Vigilance indeed!) Hermione was taken from mythology, from that reference I actually predicted Cormac McLaggen before the fact  The rest of that is that she is to wind up with a guy famous for avenging his father's death at the hands of his mother! (so either a Death Eater and polyjuice or a really bad slappy fight in the Weasley clan resolved by Ron, time will tell!)Tobias is likely a reference to the apocryphal book by the same name so probably means "hidden" as opposed to it's direct meaning which is "God is good". Still wonder if he's really Filch, they have paid a lot of attention to him in the movies don't you think? Lucius Septimus Severus was a Roman Emperor, my personal theory here is that he's been broken up into three characters representing different time periods in the Potter series. Books six and seven are Severus's time to be important. Pansy seems aptly named, she certainly wasn't very helpful to Draco if he wound up pouring out his heart to Myrtle instead. Bellatrix means female warrior, Bella on the other hand means beautiful indicating a duality of nature. -------------------- 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
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Jul 16 2007, 08:15 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 157 Joined: 1:23pm July 7, 2007 |
QUOTE(Smullyan_for_DD @ Jul 16 2007, 08:06 PM) [snapback]1312265[/snapback] The nicknames are also important, Narcissa is also called Cissy, with the obvious playground connotations. Alastor was a demon and the chief executioner in hell but that description was tied to Barty Crouch, Jr. through a poem by a poet called Percy! I think I prefer Mad-Eye, thank you! (Moody seems to me to be a cross between Hannibal Barca and Thomas Jefferson, Constant Vigilance indeed!) Hermione was taken from mythology, from that reference I actually predicted Cormac McLaggen before the fact The rest of that is that she is to wind up with a guy famous for avenging his father's death at the hands of his mother! (so either a Death Eater and polyjuice or a really bad slappy fight in the Weasley clan resolved by Ron, time will tell!)Tobias is likely a reference to the apocryphal book by the same name so probably means "hidden" as opposed to it's direct meaning which is "God is good". Still wonder if he's really Filch, they have paid a lot of attention to him in the movies don't you think? Lucius Septimus Severus was a Roman Emperor, my personal theory here is that he's been broken up into three characters representing different time periods in the Potter series. Books six and seven are Severus's time to be important. Pansy seems aptly named, she certainly wasn't very helpful to Draco if he wound up pouring out his heart to Myrtle instead. Bellatrix means female warrior, Bella on the other hand means beautiful indicating a duality of nature. Of course the nicknames are important - nicknames are usually based on one's character. So it's more the nickname is shaped by the character (not the other way around) Hermione is not just from mythology, she's from loads of stuff e.g. Shakespeare. If I remember correctly I think JK is on record as saying the inspiration came from Shakespeare, although she really just liked the name. *edited by moderator* This post has been edited by Seven of Nine: Jul 16 2007, 10:32 PM |
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