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[15:02] *** Topic is: PotterCast #60 - Cursed
[15:02] *** Topic set by Theoriser [Sun Apr 9 13:10:46 2006]
[15:02] <JaneMarple9> Hi sooner and cbm!
[15:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hey
[15:02] <cbm> hi everyone
[15:03] <fawkes28> hi cbm!
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[15:03] <Books_4_eva> hi guys
[15:03] <Theoriser> hi everyone!
[15:03] <Theoriser> the room's filling out now
[15:03] <fawkes28> hello everyone
[15:03] <fw00per> hi everyone, where are we?
[15:03] <PolythenePam> Hi
[15:03] <fawkes28> we haven't started yet
[15:03] <JaneMarple9> dark blue for me...hi all who just came in!
[15:04] <Theoriser> we haven't begun yet fw00per, just giving people a chance to get here
[15:04] <Theoriser> we'll start at quarter past
[15:04] <Books_4_eva> ah cool havent missed the start then biggrin
[15:04] <fawkes28> nope smile
[15:05] <fw00per> oh, good, haven't missed anything . . . everyone having fun?
[15:05] <fawkes28> we are always having fun!
[15:05] <JaneMarple9> Corner Booth is the fun room biggrin
[15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:06] <Books_4_eva> to right it is
[15:06] <Theoriser> have you all had a chance to listen to pottercast yet?
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[15:06] <fawkes28> hi skiplives!
[15:06] <PolythenePam> yep!
[15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I am listening to the end again *giggle*
[15:06] <Skiplives> Hi all
[15:06] <Books_4_eva> yep
[15:06] <fw00per> not yet
[15:07] <JaneMarple9> Hi Skip!
[15:07] <JaneMarple9> Just finished listening to it...very good
[15:07] <SoonerGryffindor> how are you guys enjoying your reading groups so far?
[15:08] <Books_4_eva> loving it
[15:08] <JaneMarple9> Very good indeed!
[15:08] <cbm> It is great so far!
[15:08] <fawkes28> good to hear!
[15:08] <Skiplives> Fun so far
[15:09] <fawkes28> what room is everyone in?
[15:09] <JaneMarple9> Basement 10 for me
[15:09] <Skiplives> Chamber 37
[15:09] <Books_4_eva> 007 next to the kitchen, with our army of hous elves in yuxes XD
[15:09] <fw00per> chamber 37, down the crooked corridor, for me
[15:09] <Books_4_eva> tuxes
[15:09] <PolythenePam> Room 18 the Atrium
[15:09] <fw00per> ooh, dressy house elves
[15:09] <Theoriser> chamber 37 for me too
[15:10] <Books_4_eva> 007 houselves hehe
[15:10] <cbm> Chamber 13 Down the Deserted Corridor
[15:10] <fw00per> do they get gadgets from Q?
[15:10] <fw00per> (the 007 house elves)
[15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm really enjoying room 13 so far myself
[15:11] <Books_4_eva> hmmm good question lol
[15:11] <fawkes28> me too
[15:11] <fawkes28> w00t2
[15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
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[15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> w00t2
[15:11] <fawkes28> hi future!
[15:11] <futureweasley> hi guys
[15:11] <JaneMarple9> Future w00t2
[15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> hety future!
[15:12] <JaneMarple9> :)
[15:12] <Books_4_eva> hi future
[15:12] <fawkes28> sooner, we could go all day with that face
[15:12] <Skiplives> Hi MJ
[15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> yep
[15:12] <fawkes28> w00t2
[15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> the official symbol of room 13
[15:12] <Books_4_eva> :squee:
[15:12] <futureweasley> oops, totally busted by the boss...brb
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[15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:12] <JaneMarple9> Yes, fawkes, he's a cute smilie!
[15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> poor future. Hope she is able to make it back
[15:12] <fawkes28> i know
[15:13] <Skiplives> that's why you need an ffice
[15:13] <JaneMarple9> I think we should buy Future a invisability cloak for Christmas smile
[15:13] <Skiplives> office
[15:13] <fw00per> good idea
[15:13] <Books_4_eva> an invisability tank hehe
[15:13] <Skiplives> not sure that would work
[15:14] <Books_4_eva> aw
[15:14] <fw00per> one for the computer, too
[15:14] * cbm going out for a few minutes, this pesky work thing is getting in the way for me also
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[15:14] <Books_4_eva> ybut then wuldnen;t they wonder where the computer whent
[15:14] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome suzb
[15:14] <fw00per> they'd still be able to hear the typing, too
[15:14] <suzb> hey!
[15:15] <Theoriser> hi suzb
[15:15] <JaneMarple9> alright then, a invisabilty office?
[15:15] <Books_4_eva> lol
[15:15] <Books_4_eva> a silenc charm would do
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[15:16] <SoonerGryffindor> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat!
[15:16] <Theoriser> The intro
[15:16] <Theoriser> Poor John is suffering from a strep throat, yet still joins in the show. How dedicated is that?
[15:17] <Books_4_eva> aw bless john
[15:17] <fawkes28> it shows a lot of dedication
[15:17] <Skiplives> I hat e strep
[15:17] <fw00per> me too
[15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the amount of dedication the whole trio has
[15:17] <Skiplives> go team!
[15:17] <fawkes28> it is a lot tougher to do things and stay focused with you are sick
[15:17] <fawkes28> especially when you need to use your voice
[15:18] * cbm I'm back
[15:18] <fw00per> but sometimes, you end up saying funny things
[15:18] <Books_4_eva> speshaly since you just want to curl up and go to sleep when your sick
[15:18] <SoonerGryffindor> it also goes to show that when you are doing somehting that you love, sickness doesnt get in the way as much
[15:18] <SoonerGryffindor> wb cbm
[15:18] <fawkes28> wb cbm
[15:18] <Skiplives> My voice gets cooler when I'm sick
[15:18] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Skip
[15:18] <Books_4_eva> lol
[15:18] <fawkes28> true, sooner
[15:18] <Skiplives> I get very Tom Waites
[15:18] <JaneMarple9> very dedicated
[15:18] <fw00per> HP themepark?
[15:19] <Skiplives> Not going to happen
[15:19] <Skiplives> which is probably a good thing
[15:19] <fw00per> not sure I would want it to
[15:19] <JaneMarple9> I don't think i'd go in to work if I was ill
[15:19] <Books_4_eva> I'm glad actually, I mean disneyfied hp *shuder*
[15:19] <fawkes28> many people wouldn't jane you are right
[15:19] <JaneMarple9> I wouldn't want a Harry Potter theme park either

[15:19] <Theoriser> The rumour that there would be a Disney Harry Potter theme park or ride was revealed as not true. Are you disappointed?
[15:20] <Skiplives> Not really
[15:20] <SoonerGryffindor> I am not disappointed
[15:20] <fawkes28> i do not think harry potter belongs in disney world
[15:20] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree that Disney-fying Potter is not a good idea
[15:20] <fw00per> I think it would cheapen HP
[15:20] <fawkes28> i think if anything was created it needs to be it's own entity
[15:20] <Skiplives> I'd go for a Quidditch-style roller coaster
[15:20] <JaneMarple9> I don't 'do' theme-parks, but Harry Potter isn't really theme-park material
[15:20] <Skiplives> where you hang from a "broom"
[15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I just think its interesting that there is some controversy over it
[15:21] <fawkes28> i don't think it's a horrible idea depending on who is creating it and how "real" they make it
[15:21] <Theoriser> I wouldn't go to it anyway because I don't really like theme parks
[15:21] <JaneMarple9> I can see a "Gringotts" ride, like what Harry went on in the first book
[15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> good one Jane
[15:21] <JaneMarple9> going down into the vaults
[15:21] <fawkes28> i would like to expereince a world like this if it is done appropriately
[15:21] <JaneMarple9> and a "Knight Bus" one
[15:21] <Skiplives> I'm required to abide by it, my wife is a Disney freak
[15:21] <Books_4_eva> ye in one of them things..... what are they called with the seats that move and the screen up front
[15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it could be done right, but more am adult theme to it

[15:22] <Theoriser> Do you agree with John that Warner Bros. may develop something instead?
[15:22] <JaneMarple9> and a "Dragon" and a "Buckbeak" one
[15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its possible
[15:22] <fawkes28> i think they very well might
[15:22] <fawkes28> after the movies are over
[15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> but the only drawback to that would be that it would be more movie, rather than canon focused
[15:22] <fawkes28> i think they would like to market harry potter as much as they can
[15:22] <Skiplives> why not - it is their property
[15:22] <JaneMarple9> I think they should just stick to the movies myself
[15:22] <fw00per> yes, just movies
[15:22] <fawkes28> yes that is true, sooner
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[15:23] <fawkes28> but unfortunately, jane, people want to make money
[15:23] <fawkes28> it's sad but true
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[15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> well, as long as they do it and maintain the integrity, I am okay with it
[15:23] <Books_4_eva> yes sadly it is how the world seem to work
[15:23] <JaneMarple9> Yes, the way they chopped POA up, they wouldn't know what to keep and what not to keep
[15:23] <fawkes28> at least we can appreciate harry potter for what it really is
[15:23] <Books_4_eva> long as they make it dark and thriling
[15:23] <fawkes28> jane, you are right unles JK herself did it
[15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I like the thought that they would use the sets and props and stuff
[15:24] <JaneMarple9> Yes, we can appreciate the books and the movies
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[15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome ww
[15:24] <fawkes28> hello whisperwing
[15:24] <JaneMarple9> but the books are so much better than the movies
[15:24] <Whisperwing> Thanks -- where are we then?
[15:24] <JaneMarple9> hi whisperwings
[15:24] <cbm> The sets are not made to be durable.
[15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> discussing the theme part
[15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> *park
[15:24] <Books_4_eva> oh like on of them toor buss thing where they take you round bits of the set, that would be cool
[15:24] <Whisperwing> Ah
[15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, that's almost what I can see it as
[15:25] <JaneMarple9> yes books, that sounds good
[15:25] <JaneMarple9> even I would enjoy that
[15:25] <Whisperwing> How can the 'sets' not be durable when they use actual stone buildings for Hogwarts?
[15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> right
[15:25] <Theoriser> that's more of a set tour than a themepark though
[15:25] <fw00per> and don't they keep everything they make?
[15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they do fw
[15:25] <Skiplives> nope
[15:25] <Books_4_eva> ye
[15:25] <Books_4_eva> maybe
[15:25] <JaneMarple9> I wish they did a "Harry Potter" tour bus, which takes you of places of interest, where the films were made etc
[15:26] <fw00per> that's a good idea - travel with HP
[15:26] <Skiplives> they tear down and rebuild a lot of the sets if they are not too involved
[15:26] <SoonerGryffindor> that would be a great idea for later
[15:26] <Theoriser> In the news,Sue talks about the trailer that is due out in theaters at the release of Happy Feet on nov 17, but will not be available until Nov.20 at the earliest for online streaming. Will you wait for the online version, or go see it in theaters?
[15:26] <Whisperwing> There's not an officially sanctioned one but I'm sure there's some trade being made on that very concept already
[15:26] <Skiplives> two words - You Tube
[15:26] <SoonerGryffindor> honestly, I might just wait
[15:26] <JaneMarple9> They do a lot of tour buses, in London, Oxford etc in England, I can see that happening
[15:26] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Skip
[15:26] <fw00per> I'll see the movie because I mom is obsessed with penguins
[15:26] <Skiplives> really
[15:27] <fw00per> otherwise, I'd probably wait
[15:27] <Whisperwing> Oh I'm going to see it in the theater -- are you kidding? I've been excited for Hapy Feet since the first teaser trailer a year ago.
[15:27] <Theoriser> all my friends want to see that film, but I'm not really interested
[15:27] <Theoriser> I'll wait until it comes out online
[15:27] <fw00per> it looks like a cute movie
[15:27] <JaneMarple9> I'd wait myself, until they come to the theatre - the proper movie - and DVD
[15:27] <Skiplives> My kids will see Happy Feet, so I'll see it if I take them
[15:27] <Whisperwing> And hey, Robin Williams!
[15:27] <cbm> I can wait.
[15:27] <fw00per> yes, Robin
[15:27] <Books_4_eva> ye me to, I think I'l avoied the ypu tube thing to wait for better quality
[15:28] <SoonerGryffindor> really we would only have to wait a few days
[15:28] <Books_4_eva> it's only 3 extra days
[15:28] <JaneMarple9> And I've been venturing into 'film five' threads on Leaky this week
[15:28] <fw00per> seriously, we've waited this long, only another 72 hours
[15:28] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:28] <JaneMarple9> I like all the new pictures a lot...not seen any before biggrin
[15:28] <Theoriser> Sue says she prefers to see the trailers on the big screen. Is that important to you?
[15:29] <SoonerGryffindor> sometimes
[15:29] <Skiplives> Everything is better on the big screen
[15:29] <fw00per> it's certainly better big
[15:29] <Whisperwing> I don't exactly live in a closet under the stairs, but I do have trouble getting around without someone else's aid, so it's good my mom's excited to see the movie too.
[15:29] <JaneMarple9> yes, if I saw the trailer I'd want to see it big screen too
[15:29] <Skiplives> but it has to be a real big screen, not one of these "closet" theaters
[15:30] <SoonerGryffindor> but with you cant watch the trailer over and over again on the big-screen, so I would watch it here at home anyways
[15:30] <fw00per> absolutely skip
[15:30] <JaneMarple9> Same here Whisperwings, when I go the the cinema, Mm accompanies me too!
[15:30] <JaneMarple9> Mum*
[15:30] <Skiplives> ah
[15:30] <Whisperwing> I would love to be there in the middle of it when the first footage airs ina theater full of other people who are going to be excited by the trailer.
[15:30] <fw00per> a theatre full of HP fans
[15:30] <JaneMarple9> The new film sounds really good
[15:30] <Whisperwing> And then a few days later relive it on the online site.
[15:30] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, it is fun to share that atmosphere
[15:31] <Books_4_eva> all the hp fans with the knowing smugg looks lol
[15:31] * Whisperwing snorts
[15:31] <fw00per> lol
[15:31] <Skiplives> I usually catch the late show (after the kids are in bed) which draws a quieter crowd
[15:31] <Theoriser> yeah, that would be good to do both
[15:32] <Theoriser> Director Terry Gilliam calls working on the Potter films a factory job. What do you think of this opinion? Were you as upset by this comment as the trio?
[15:32] <Whisperwing> And as hard as they try, microwave popcorn just never tastes like movie theater popcorn.
[15:32] <Theoriser> lol
[15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> grrrrrr
[15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> this comment upset me very much
[15:32] <fw00per> meanie
[15:32] <Books_4_eva> it annmoyed me
[15:32] <Theoriser> he seemed jealous
[15:32] <JaneMarple9> I believe Terry Gwilliam is having some sort og surgery soon
[15:32] <Skiplives> Nope - people have to take Terry's comments in light of what studios have done to hi in the past
[15:32] <fw00per> I thought he was trying to cover his jealousy, too
[15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> he seemed pouty and petty and like he needed an excuse to put himself above them
[15:33] <JaneMarple9> He does seem very jealous though
[15:33] <Skiplives> He admitted as much
[15:33] <Skiplives> He really wanted to do the first movie
[15:33] <Whisperwing> I think Terry Gilliam is very bitter over his failure to complete his Man of La Mancha movie.
[15:33] <SoonerGryffindor> honestly, I am glad he didnt with comments like that
[15:33] <Theoriser> he was probably upset that he lost out on that chance
[15:33] <Skiplives> does everyoen know about his battle over "Bazil"?
[15:34] <JaneMarple9> we can't always get what we want smile Not even Dudley!
[15:34] <fw00per> no, skip
[15:34] <Whisperwing> Though I love the documentary about the failed attempt, "Lost in La Mancha"
[15:34] <Skiplives> Brazil
[15:34] <fw00per> bazil is the spicy basil
[15:34] <Whisperwing> Mother Nature itself rose up to smite him down on La Mancha
[15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> lol ww
[15:34] <Books_4_eva> hehe
[15:34] <Skiplives> He mad eBrazil - which is great, but seriously screwed up, the studio cut it to shreds and tacked a happy ending on it
[15:35] <fw00per> ooooh
[15:35] <fw00per> gotcha
[15:35] <Whisperwing> Is Baron von Munchausen at least as he meant it to be?
[15:35] <Theoriser> Jason Isaacs encourages people to read the book to know what is going on with the character Lucius. Were you surprised to hear that he encourages reading the books?
[15:36] <Whisperwing> Not at all
[15:36] <Books_4_eva> nope
[15:36] <fawkes28> no i am glad an actor said this!
[15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> no, because he has always been a big fan
[15:36] <Skiplives> he took out a full page ad in one of the trade magazines, calling the studio out for the hatchet job, showed his edit to a handful of directors and critics and actually got the studio to re-edit and re-release the movie
[15:36] <Whisperwing> Anyone with that much affection for their character is guaranteed to be a fan
[15:36] <JaneMarple9> Well they are so much better than the films
[15:36] <fawkes28> kids need to see that adults read especially adults they look up to
[15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> one of the reasons I love him so much, he is one of the few adults that takes the time to read and appreciate the books
[15:36] <JaneMarple9> good to here a actor say so!
[15:36] <Theoriser> I'm glad he's encouraging people to read them, it's great!
[15:36] <fw00per> I'm so glad he's a fan
[15:37] <Whisperwing> I'm hoping he's subtly encouraging certain costars to read them.
[15:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I also love that he is a fan of PotterCast
[15:37] <SoonerGryffindor> lol ww
[15:37] <fw00per> he probably acts the part better because he is a fan
[15:37] <Books_4_eva> oh I think so to
[15:37] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, he totally "gets" Lucius
[15:37] <Theoriser> yeah sooner, it's good that he doesn't just look on it as a silly kid's book
[15:37] <fawkes28> i think you are right fw00per
[15:37] <Whisperwing> Like Alan gets Severus
[15:37] <Skiplives> so that's why he's a little sensitive. Most of his movies since have been outside the studio - that's wat he's talking about when he calls it a factory job
[15:37] <JaneMarple9> good point, and he knows where his character is going to end up biggrin
[15:37] <fawkes28> he takes pride in his work which is nice
[15:38] * SoonerGryffindor loves his Paris hilton wig comment
[15:38] <fw00per> insisting on the right look even
[15:38] <Theoriser> lol
[15:38] <Skiplives> I get a kick out of how much he likes that wig
[15:38] <fw00per> lol sooner
[15:38] <fw00per> he's all about being a wizard
[15:38] <SoonerGryffindor> you know that he;s going to be around till the end of it
[15:38] <Whisperwing> I was watching an interview from the seventies with Bette Davis, who was talking about the difference between someone who's doing the job, and someone who's truly performing.
[15:38] <Books_4_eva> who dosn't like the wig though biggrin
[15:39] <fawkes28> right, ww
[15:39] <fawkes28> and i think their fans appreciate it even more
[15:39] <JaneMarple9> doesn't do much in book 6 does he? smile
[15:39] <SoonerGryffindor> that;s a good point ww
[15:39] <fw00per> bummer
[15:39] <Whisperwing> That has never changed and should never change
[15:39] <Theoriser> 13. In this weeks fan interview segment, Jason (TheGuruofSloth) does the interview. What do you guys think about Jason's first ever fan interview?
[15:39] <Whisperwing> Ah but we don't know yet what we'll see of Lucius in 7
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[15:39] <JaneMarple9> very good
[15:39] <Skiplives> Yea!
[15:40] <Whisperwing> It was smashing
[15:40] <fw00per> excellent Guru
[15:40] <Books_4_eva> exilant
[15:40] <Skiplives> and snapecast
[15:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he did a brilliant job
[15:40] <Skiplives> also it was easier to tell the two people appart
[15:40] <Theoriser> me too, I've missed hearing from the mods
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[15:41] <Whisperwing> I'm scared to even turn on iTunes right now because I'm not sure how it will be behaving -- I had to direct dl #60 to hear it this morning.
[15:41] <fawkes28> welcome, pam and dumbles
[15:41] <SoonerGryffindor> wb guys
[15:41] <Dumbles4ever> Listening to it now
[15:41] <Skiplives> it worked fine for me
[15:41] <Whisperwing> Yes but my iTunes is twitchy for some reason
[15:41] <SoonerGryffindor> it was nice to hear from Guru again
[15:41] <Dumbles4ever> I'm with Melissa. I am soo against this Disney stuff.
[15:42] <Dumbles4ever> iTunes was twitchy with me too.
[15:42] <Skiplives> did you get the new version?
[15:43] <cbm> Me too, on the twitchy itunes
[15:43] <Dumbles4ever> I did
[15:43] <Theoriser> was guru just doing the fan interview for this week?
[15:43] <Whisperwing> uh yeah. It's been twitchy through the last three versions
[15:43] <Skiplives> ewww
[15:43] <Theoriser> The fan interviewed for this week was HawthorneAndPhoenix. Have any of you ever posted or looked through the Snape loyalty thread?
[15:43] <Whisperwing> Oh no, he's in Canon Conuncdrms too
[15:43] <Whisperwing> COnundrums
[15:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to sad
[15:43] <cbm> I have posted
[15:43] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:43] <fawkes28> i have been in there
[15:43] <Dumbles4ever> I had to go to the iTunes directory to get the episode
[15:43] <fawkes28> awe, sooner
[15:43] <Theoriser> I mean is he doing the fan interview section now, or is kimmyblair still
[15:43] <Skiplives> Yes, some people get way too invested in SS
[15:43] <fawkes28> the snape's loyality thread is huge
[15:43] <cbm> I started after the poa group, it is a tough room
[15:43] <Books_4_eva> I havent >_< I will have to go and have a look though
[15:43] <Whisperwing> Snape's loyalty, ah, that beloved battle front.
[15:44] <fawkes28> and it can be a little scary
[15:44] <JaneMarple9> Not sure if I have or not, posted in a lot of forums smile
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[15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> that's really my only complaint with having to mod the Nook -- the dreaded Snape loyalty thread
[15:44] <fawkes28> hi mads
[15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> hi mads
[15:44] <Madsdagirl> Hi!
[15:44] <Theoriser> I'm intimidated by the snape loyalty thread, I always stay clear of that one tongue
[15:44] <Skiplives> lol Sooner
[15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> but it is interesting
[15:44] <fawkes28> we are talking about snape's loyality thread, mads
[15:44] <Skiplives> I'm sure
[15:44] <fw00per> I keep going back and forth on Snape
[15:44] <cbm> Both sides are firmly entrenched in their positions, so it does not matter what is said
[15:44] <Madsdagirl> *shudder* as amny know I keep well away from those threads
[15:44] <fawkes28> you are right, cbm
[15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> *sigh* right you are cbm
[15:45] <Skiplives> it's better than a Horcrux discussion though
[15:45] <fawkes28> we all have our strong opinion
[15:45] <Books_4_eva> ye I'm very undisided about snape to
[15:45] <Whisperwing> Ooh, good point
[15:45] <fawkes28> but sometimes you can sway people
[15:45] <Theoriser> I find it really funny though, the last time I looked the title was something like "snape's loyalty part 27"
[15:45] <SoonerGryffindor> its on 30-someting now
[15:45] <Books_4_eva> O_o
[15:45] <Skiplives> crazy
[15:45] <Whisperwing> Wow, way more than Noe threads or anything
[15:45] <Dumbles4ever> Snape's loyalty is really important so I'm not surprised
[15:45] <Skiplives> longer posts
[15:45] <Madsdagirl> RAB, Snape and Horcrux threads are scary
[15:45] <Theoriser> that's my opinion too, Madsdagirl biggrin
[15:46] <JaneMarple9> I can be persuaded by people's views...especailly with the Corner Booth PPP chats
[15:46] <Skiplives> but at least Snape has material to talk about
[15:46] <fawkes28> a thread like that brings for a lot of great discussion and debate
[15:46] <cbm> I used to post on much scarier places back in my usenet days
[15:46] <Whisperwing> How can there be debate about RAB?
[15:46] <SoonerGryffindor> you would be surprised ww
[15:46] <fawkes28> glad to know that, jane smile
[15:46] <Skiplives> You don't want to know
[15:46] <Madsdagirl> *rolls eyes* there is always something to debate!
[15:46] <Theoriser> If you ever have posted or just looked through that thread, has anything you ever read there maybe changed your mind about your stance on Snape?
[15:46] <fw00per> I feel like they've been beaten to death (Snape, horcruxes, RAB)
[15:46] <Whisperwing> Especially after the reveal of Regulus's middle name?
[15:46] <JaneMarple9> About who he is I guess! There;s so many theories about who RAB is
[15:47] <Whisperwing> Oh, my mind changes itself all on its own there.
[15:47] <Skiplives> Nope, I'm pretty comfortable with my take on Snape
[15:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I htink that from time to time I see things that change my mind, but mostly it just gives me more stuff to think about
[15:47] <fawkes28> i enjoy when people take time to research and use canon to defend their "side"
[15:47] <Books_4_eva> honastly I'v been back and forth pon it so much already withough stepign foot in there
[15:47] <Skiplives> agreed
[15:47] <SoonerGryffindor> it has never changed my POV, just make me think about certain talking points
[15:47] <Theoriser> actually, another of the reasons I don't go there is I'm afraid I'll get persuaded to a different point of view
[15:47] <cbm> Not in that thread, I go through the books and learn more
[15:47] <fw00per> I'll see one view on one read-through and the opposite on the next read-through
[15:47] <fawkes28> i think sometimes really the posts, i feel valided by my opinion
[15:47] <Dumbles4ever> What ever happened to Asphodel Wormwood on PC?
[15:47] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Theoriser
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[15:47] <fawkes28> *reading
[15:47] <Whisperwing> She took a break from it, Dumbles
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[15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> dont leave us Skip!
[15:48] <Whisperwing> Paying most of her time to University now
[15:48] <Skiplives> darn backspace
[15:48] <fw00per> is AW coming back?
[15:48] <JaneMarple9> :)
[15:48] <Theoriser> seriously, there's some good debators there
[15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> no idea fwooper
[15:48] <Skiplives> anyone listen to snapecast?
[15:48] <cbm> I have a 1100 word post, I am debating whether to post it or turn it into a scribullus essay
[15:48] <Dumbles4ever> oh, ok, she was the coolest, but I can see why she took a break
[15:48] <fawkes28> there are theoriser
[15:48] <Whisperwing> Oh yes
[15:48] <Books_4_eva> Oh I'v just started listening to it smile
[15:48] <Whisperwing> I love Chris's Snape voice.
[15:48] <cbm> oops I did not mean to send that
[15:48] <Dumbles4ever> SnapeCast??? Hehe
[15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> lol cbm
[15:49] <Skiplives> definately worth a listen
[15:49] <Madsdagirl> I listened to it once
[15:49] <Madsdagirl> (when PC wasn't coming out)
[15:49] <Madsdagirl> and I can see how it interests people
[15:49] <Skiplives> some parts are not PG-13
[15:49] <Madsdagirl> they are actually pretty good
[15:49] <Whisperwing> I love their top ten lists
[15:49] <Books_4_eva> I'm not a grate snape lover but it's very intresting to listen to
[15:49] <Skiplives> as they say
[15:50] <JaneMarple9> Not listened to it I;m happy with PotterCast at the moment
[15:50] <Whisperwing> and their occasional HP interventions
[15:50] <Theoriser> Love is a very prominent and powerful theme throughout all of the HP books. What did you think when you heard HawthorneAndPhoenix and Guru talking about the effect that Eileen's love may have had on Snape?
[15:50] <Skiplives> they all have a good sence of humor about it
[15:50] <JaneMarple9> perhaps one day
[15:50] <fw00per> love snape, but think it might be because of Alan R
[15:50] <Dumbles4ever> Why's it EXPLICIT?
[15:50] <Whisperwing> They talk about slash fics
[15:50] <Dumbles4ever> oh ok
[15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I htink it was a good point
[15:50] <Whisperwing> and other such explicit subjects
[15:50] <cbm> JK said Snape had been loved once, and I think that is what she was talking about
[15:50] <Skiplives> all good for the adult audience
[15:50] <JaneMarple9> I don't think Snape's mother showed him much love
[15:50] <fw00per> i agree cbm
[15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that we have seen the ultimate sacrifice (Lily) and Merope threw her life away. It will be interesting to see if we learn more of Eileen
[15:51] <fawkes28> i think it's important that he has been loved
[15:51] <Whisperwing> Oh I'm sure she did love him, but he despised her for being weak and subservient to her abuseive Muggle husband
[15:51] <Skiplives> I think she was very submissive to the muggle Dad
[15:51] <fawkes28> yes, i would like to know more about her
[15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I like the idea that Eileen is somewhere in the middle o the whole mom thing
[15:51] <fw00per> right, sooner
[15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I also like how that is another comparison to make between Harry, LV, and Snape
[15:52] <JaneMarple9> I still think Snape was loved by Lily at some time. Bu yes, Eileen probably was dominated by her hysaband yes
[15:52] <Books_4_eva> I think she loved snape but never really got a chance to show it because of the father
[15:52] <Skiplives> growing up in an abusive home is never easy
[15:52] <fawkes28> i think eileen had good intentions
[15:52] <Dumbles4ever> Whoah...Theres a TON of HP podcasts.....
[15:52] <cbm> I disagree JM, we have no evidence of that
[15:53] <fw00per> do you think Snape ever tried to protect Eileen?
[15:53] <JaneMarple9> Harry knows that more than most smile Yes, perhaps Eileen did love Snape when he was younger
[15:53] <SoonerGryffindor> that is an excellent question fwooper
[15:53] <Books_4_eva> probably but he was pretty young when it all happend right?
[15:53] <Skiplives> We don't know when/if she died
[15:53] <fw00per> his age would make a huge difference
[15:53] <Dumbles4ever> I think Lily loved him at one point
[15:53] <Skiplives> agreed
[15:53] <Whisperwing> There had to be a reason why he came to Hogwarts knowing more curses than much older children.
[15:54] <JaneMarple9> he might had tried to protect him from his father
[15:54] <Whisperwing> Probably things he learned with the hopes of 'saving' her from him.
[15:54] <Theoriser> Has anyone here ever listened to Snapecast and what are your thoughts on it?
[15:54] <cbm> If Lily loved him, Snape called her a Mudblood.
[15:54] <fw00per> maybe Snape struggled with a love for Lilly
[15:54] <Skiplives> though if Eileen was abused she may have not allowed Snape to help
[15:54] <Whisperwing> Only to have her be horrified by what he did, even though it was for her sake.
[15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to admit that I have never listened to Snapecast, but now I am very curious
[15:55] <Dumbles4ever> Snape was jea;lous of her
[15:55] <fawkes28> me either
[15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> seeing as I am a Snapeophile
[15:55] <Whisperwing> I'm a full-fledged subscribed listener.
[15:55] <Dumbles4ever> Same here
[15:55] <fawkes28> it does intrigue me though
[15:55] <cbm> I will listen later this week
[15:55] <Whisperwing> since around episode three.
[15:55] <Theoriser> I had heard of it, but I have never listened
[15:55] <fawkes28> you must really enjoy it, ww
[15:55] <Books_4_eva> I'v just started listening but I find it intresting and verry funny
[15:55] <SoonerGryffindor> that's what I love about the fan interviews. We get to learn so much more about the fandom
[15:55] <Whisperwing> Episode one you have to direct download though, it's not available through iTunes.
[15:55] <fawkes28> right and be that much more obsessed
[15:56] <SoonerGryffindor> lol fawkes
[15:56] <SoonerGryffindor> yep, more and more obsessed by the day
[15:56] <fawkes28> not that we need any encouragement
[15:56] <Skiplives> they have a good sence of humor about it
[15:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I really do plan on listening to it now
[15:56] <Whisperwing> If it fades it isn't worthy of the nominative 'obsession'
[15:56] <Skiplives> and excelent voice work by Chris
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[15:56] <fawkes28> hi HF!
[15:56] <Theoriser> Canon Conundrums -- The whole topic of discussion for the Canon Conundrums is "Where did Snape and Draco go after Book Six?"
[15:57] <Theoriser> When Snape and Harry were interacting Draco is not mentioned. Sue thinks Draco had left before that confrontation ended and the two of them
apparated to separate places. What do you think?
[15:57] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome hf
[15:57] <harryfreak359> hi guys! smile
[15:57] <Theoriser> hi harryfreak
[15:57] <Dumbles4ever> I think S and D went to Voldie
[15:57] <Skiplives> I always figured they went to Draco's house
[15:57] <fw00per> I think they went straight to LV
[15:57] <SoonerGryffindor> can I just say that this whole PotterCast was a Snape lover's dream? laugh
[15:57] <JaneMarple9> Hi Harryfreak
[15:57] <harryfreak359> lol
[15:57] <fawkes28> i think they both may have went together
[15:57] <harryfreak359> I haven't listened to much of it
[15:58] <Whisperwing> I do remember Draco being in the Apparition training classes, so he may have learned how to do it without having to go side-along
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[15:58] <fawkes28> or at least to the same place
[15:58] <Books_4_eva> I think they whent strait to voldys hideout
[15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I was like Steve and always assumed that they went together, but now I am starting to wonder about htat
[15:58] <fawkes28> yes, sooner!
[15:58] <JaneMarple9> I always thought they went to Lord Voldemort to tell them the deed was done
[15:58] <Theoriser> yeah Whisperwing
[15:58] <harryfreak359> I think so too Jane
[15:58] <Skiplives> I think they went to the same place, if not together
[15:58] <Books_4_eva> I kind of always asumed they whent somewhere together
[15:58] <JaneMarple9> Dumbledore was no more
[15:58] <Whisperwing> Draco can't go to VOldemort as he failed to kill Dumbledore himself.
[15:58] <Whisperwing> That would be suicide.
[15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> funny how most of us assumed that
[15:58] <fawkes28> it may have been voldemort's command so that he know immediately
[15:59] <JaneMarple9> Snape certainly featured a lot more in Pottercase
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[15:59] <Books_4_eva> he didn't nesisaraly fail, I don't think voldermort really thought he would do it.... but who knows how voldermort would react

[15:59] <Theoriser> Draco did most of the work to set things up for Dumbledore's death. Snape just did the final deed. Most of Draco's wavering happened before the other Death Eaters showed up. Will Voldemort consider Draco a failure or will Snape be able to smooth things over? Will Voldemort end up ordering Draco to be killed?
[15:59] <Skiplives> I doubt Draco had to kill DD himself
[15:59] <Whisperwing> I can see Snape going to Voldemort and discovering Draco has gone elsewhere, leaving him to face the "Dark Lord" himself.
[15:59] <JaneMarple9> Well Voldemort knew if Draco wasn't srtrong enough Snape would
[16:00] <fawkes28> voldemort is looking for an excuse to kill draco
[16:00] <SoonerGryffindor> this is such a great question
[16:00] <Skiplives> why?
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[16:00] <fawkes28> but snape may try to influence voldemort
[16:00] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome inkreader
[16:00] <Books_4_eva> ye I think he is and this surtenly is an excude
[16:00] <fawkes28> hello inkkreader
[16:00] <fw00per> could Snape have hidden Draco for his protection before going to LV
[16:00] <Theoriser> I don't think draco's task was to kill dumbledore, voldemort intended snape to do that the whole time
[16:00] <JaneMarple9> Voldemort would consider Draco a total failure I think
[16:00] <Whisperwing> If Voldemort wants Draco dead, it's to punish Lucius.
[16:00] <fawkes28> yes, ww
[16:00] <JaneMarple9> I can't see Snape looking after anyone but himself
[16:00] <Books_4_eva> yep
[16:00] <cbm> After Draco went home to his mommy, I think he will be treated with the same respect as wormtail
[16:01] <Skiplives> Draco as Lucius' replacement is even better for LV
[16:01] <harryfreak359> I agree Fawkes...I think voldemort would want to kill draco, but Snape will convince him not to
[16:01] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape could always claim that he didnt know where Draco was, but would he expose his loyalty to Draco that way if he is indeed loyal to the Order?
[16:01] <fawkes28> if anyone could help draco at this point, it is snape
[16:01] <Skiplives> it completely embarases Lucious
[16:01] <Skiplives> Lucius
[16:01] <Whisperwing> Ah but he was looking after Draco all that year, and he's been looking after Harry all along despite being antagonistic towards him.
[16:01] <fw00per> lol skip
[16:01] <SoonerGryffindor> or could he cover it up by using the UV as in excuse
[16:01] <Dumbles4ever> Dumbles is off now
[16:01] <SoonerGryffindor> bye dumbles
[16:01] <Dumbles4ever> BYE
[16:01] <Theoriser> why would voldemort want draco dead? He's done exactly what he wanted him to
[16:01] <harryfreak359> bye
[16:01] <Skiplives> bye DD4
[16:01] <JaneMarple9> bye Dumbles
[16:01] <cbm> I do not think Voldemort will kill a follower.
[16:01] <Books_4_eva> bu byr dumbles
[16:01] <Whisperwing> Bye D4
[16:01] <fawkes28> but i don't think voldemort knows about that vow
[16:02] <fw00per> I can see Draco becoming another Womtail type
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[16:02] <fw00per> maybe a step above Wormtail
[16:02] <JaneMarple9> well he didn;t kill Dumbledore, surely that was his orders
[16:02] <SoonerGryffindor> like they said on CC, who can really know what LV will do at any given moment?
[16:02] <cbm> Whatever else he is now, I think you can call draco a follower.
[16:02] <fawkes28> yes, he is unstable
[16:02] <Whisperwing> Narcissa herself had said she believes Voldemort gave Draco this assignment meaning to have him fail so that he could kill him.
[16:03] <Inkreader13> I think that snape will talk him out of killing Draco and Draco will get another job, like to kill Ron and Hermione
[16:03] <SoonerGryffindor> right. As I see it, there is a 50/50 chance that Draco dies if he goes to LV
[16:03] <JaneMarple9> Draco's a follower yes, but who is he following? The good guys or Lord Voldemort's people?
[16:03] <Whisperwing> No, that's not likely at all
[16:03] <Theoriser> but we don't know what exactly snape and draco's tasks were, we can just interpret what they've said
[16:03] <fawkes28> i think right now draco is not even sure, jane
[16:03] <cbm> LV right now, he has only shown comtempt for the good guys so far
[16:03] <Whisperwing> Draco's doomed in VOldemort's eyes
[16:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree with that fawkes
[16:03] <fawkes28> i think draco's goal is to stay alive

[16:04] <Theoriser> Focusing on Snape - before going to Voldemort to check in, do you think he first went to some safe "house" to meet up with Draco or other Death Eaters?
[16:04] <Inkreader13> I think Draco has a bigger part in book 7 then just beign killed in like chapter 2
[16:04] <JaneMarple9> I still think Draco will help Harry defeat Voldemort
[16:04] <fw00per> yes, fawkes
[16:04] <Whisperwing> Jane Marple 9.. is that like being the Ninth Doctor?
[16:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its a good idea
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[16:04] <fawkes28> if snape went somewhere i think it was only with draco and not the other DE's
[16:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I do agree with everyone in saying that Snape's next move has to be to go to LV
[16:04] <harryfreak359> I agree to
[16:05] <Whisperwing> I had thought he was going where Draco went, but now I'm not sure, he may discover that Draco went somewhere he hadn't expected
[16:05] <fawkes28> hello aranelparmadil
[16:05] <JaneMarple9> :) 9's just a random number. but Jane Marple's a famous fictional detective whisperwings
[16:05] <Inkreader13> I'd say that they meet up to see who was dead/captured and then went to LV
[16:05] <Skiplives> Meet with Draco I can see, other DEs? No, he'll try to beat them to LV to get his version of events in LVs brain first
[16:05] <Whisperwing> I know who Miss Marple is.
[16:05] <cbm> So far we have Draco, Snape, and Wormtail helping Harry, is there anyone who will not help Harry?
[16:05] <aranelparmadil> hi - just lurkin' and listenin' at mo, if that's ok!
[16:05] <fawkes28> right because the other DE's were witnesses
[16:05] <Whisperwing> I thought perhaps it might have been a clever cross-reference between two fandoms.
[16:05] <fawkes28> snape would do better if he got to voldemort first
[16:06] <JaneMarple9> I wouldn't have thought Bella would help Harry
[16:06] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he has to go to LV first
[16:06] <fw00per> Bella won't help Harry
[16:06] <Books_4_eva> definatly not
[16:06] <Skiplives> But she's nuts
[16:06] <JaneMarple9> Snape would go immediately to Voldemort I think
[16:06] <cbm> I was joking, and I agree
[16:06] <Whisperwing> I think Draco's more running scared, like Wormtail running after the Potters were killed.
[16:06] <SoonerGryffindor> so the big quetsion is whether or not Draco goes with him
[16:07] <cbm> Snape will go to Voldemort, I think Draco will go home
[16:07] <Skiplives> I think Snape won't let him run
[16:07] <fw00per> if Snape is good, he'd try to protect Draco
[16:07] <Skiplives> Snape may send him home
[16:07] <Books_4_eva> I think he did, I mean if he goes he could end up dead if he dsn't go he will definatly end up dead
[16:07] <Skiplives> Snape can make excuses for Draco
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[16:07] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape will try to protect Draco whether he is good or not
[16:07] <cbm> I think that Snape tries to help Draco no matter what, is the second part of the vow still in place?
[16:07] <fawkes28> i think if draco didn't go then it would look like something was wrong
[16:07] <Whisperwing> Would the UV make him able to follow Draco even if Draco were trying to escape him?
[16:07] <fawkes28> either way he could be in danger
[16:08] <fawkes28> he doesn't have any good options at this point
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[16:08] <SoonerGryffindor> one thing that was not brought up that really frustrated me on this CC was the fact that we dont know if Kreacher and Dobby are still following Draco
[16:08] <Books_4_eva> so would snape die if draco gets killed by voldermort or a death eater or did it just mean while he was doing the spasific task?
[16:08] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they are
[16:08] <Whisperwing> Ooh, good point.
[16:08] <fw00per> never thought about that, sooner
[16:08] <fw00per> excellent thought
[16:08] <JaneMarple9> It's very possible
[16:08] <Whisperwing> I'm sure Lreacher will be interpreting his instructions to be ongoing
[16:08] <Whisperwing> Kreacher
[16:08] <fawkes28> for the specific task, books
[16:09] <Skiplives> oooh - I like that
[16:09] <JaneMarple9> maybe not Kreacher, but Dobby would obey Harry to the letter
[16:09] <fawkes28> and dobby seems to be very literal too
[16:09] <SoonerGryffindor> Kreacher has no choice
[16:09] <fw00per> yes, JM
[16:09] <Whisperwing> just like he interpreted Sirius's bellow to get out as an order to leave Grimmauld Place
[16:09] <fw00per> and Dobby is trying to keep Kreacher in line
[16:09] <fawkes28> unless harry said "stop" dobby wouldnt "stop"
[16:09] <Books_4_eva> ye dobby the kind of house elf I could see following draco to the end of the earth unless instructed not to
[16:09] <Whisperwing> And Kreacher is deeply enamoured of Draco after all.
[16:10] <SoonerGryffindor> I know that it doesnt solve where they went, but I think it will be a key as to how we find out about it
[16:10] <JaneMarple9> Yes, then, the both of them would be following Dobby
[16:10] <fw00per> true ww
[16:10] <JaneMarple9> Yes, Kreacher seems quite fond of Draco
[16:10] <Books_4_eva> well as fond as kreacher gets about anyone that isn't his mistress lol
[16:11] <Theoriser> do you think that kreacher followed draco to his house? did he go there?
[16:11] <JaneMarple9> yes books smile good point
[16:11] <fw00per> I think Draco only went to his house if Mr. V was there
[16:11] <Theoriser> yeah, I didn't think he went back to his house either
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[16:12] <Theoriser> Did Draco know about the Unbreakable Vow while he was still at Hogwarts? If not, has his mother now told him?
[16:12] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome kimmyblair
[16:12] <Whisperwing> Wee, Kimmy!
[16:12] <Theoriser> hi kimmy
[16:12] <Books_4_eva> hi kimmy!
[16:12] <KimmyBlair> hi! sorry i'm late... was at a meeting!
[16:12] <fawkes28> hello kimmy
[16:12] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps Narcissa has arranged to meet them somewhere
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[16:12] <KimmyBlair> and I do not think he knew.... and i dont' think his mom told him
[16:12] <JaneMarple9> Hi Kimmy smile
[16:12] <fawkes28> hello littleweasley
[16:12] <LittleWeasley719> hi
[16:12] <SoonerGryffindor> !halfop KimmyBlair
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[16:12] <Theoriser> hi LittleWeasley
[16:12] <fawkes28> i do not think his mother wanted him to know
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[16:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant make up my mind on this
[16:13] <fawkes28> i think he doesnt want to be treated like a kid
[16:13] <JaneMarple9> Well Draco seems to know about the unbreakable vow at christmas
[16:13] <Whisperwing> I think he might have at least suspected, if not actually known, and that was part of why he was trying to keep Snape at arm's length.
[16:13] <fawkes28> he did "run away" from her when they were shopping
[16:13] <KimmyBlair> ohhh good point Jane...
[16:13] <JaneMarple9> at slughorns party, when Snape had their discussion
[16:13] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh, so I guess he did know after all
[16:13] <fawkes28> i think snape was just trying to do his job
[16:13] <fawkes28> the job for voldemort
[16:13] <Whisperwing> I actually think Narcissa would have let him know in the hopes he would trust Severus
[16:14] <fawkes28> i am not sure they were discussing the vow
[16:14] <fw00per> I think Draco was competing with Snape (in his mind)
[16:14] <Books_4_eva> if not strait away I think he way awere of it by the chrismass part
[16:14] <JaneMarple9> I think Snape was trying to protect one of his favourite pupils
[16:14] <Whisperwing> Just as Bellatrix feels she's in competition with Snape for the Dark Lord's favor?
[16:14] <fw00per> all the DE's are in competition for the DL's favor
[16:14] <cbm> I think that Draco afrees with Bela about snapes loyalty after rereading that today.
[16:14] <fawkes28> draco is very arrogant and didn't want any help
[16:15] <fw00per> i agree fawkes
[16:15] <Whisperwing> Arrogance, or mistrust?
[16:15] <JaneMarple9> yes that's possible too...Snape thought Draco was getting to important
[16:15] <Skiplives> Yeah, Snape is just trying to stay alive and everyone else takes it as competition
[16:15] <Theoriser> Does Draco owe Snape a wizard's life debt? Beside the Unbreakable Vow, how is the ongoing protection of Draco different from Harry's protection of Peter Pettigrew in Book Three?
[16:15] <fawkes28> both
[16:15] <KimmyBlair> well..
[16:15] <Whisperwing> Harry's act was out of love for his father and in his memory's honor.
[16:15] <Skiplives> I think the Vow is done and Draco owes nothing to Snape
[16:15] <fawkes28> i don't think draco owes snape a life debt because draco's life wasn't being threatened by dumbledore
[16:16] <Books_4_eva> I don't think he does, I think it was very spasific with harry and wortail in that harry stood infront of him and said he must live
[16:16] <JaneMarple9> I wouldn't have thought Draco owned Snape a life debt
[16:16] <KimmyBlair> a life debt is if you save someone's life... and Snape did not necessraily do that
[16:16] <Theoriser> good point fawkes
[16:16] <fawkes28> sirius and lupin were going to actually kill peter
[16:16] <KimmyBlair> i mean Voldie might still Draco for not killing DD himself
[16:16] <Theoriser> if he saves him from voldemort, then maybe, but for now no
[16:16] <fawkes28> dumbledore had no intention to kill draco
[16:16] <Whisperwing> As a matter of fact Snape was interfering in Dumbledore's effort to give Draco a safe way out.
[16:16] <KimmyBlair> exactly theoriser!
[16:16] <fawkes28> yes, theoriser you are right
[16:16] <JaneMarple9> yes, Dumblebledore didn't seem to threaten the life of Draco
[16:16] <KimmyBlair> you type faster than m1
[16:16] <SoonerGryffindor> but who was Snape realy protecting Draco from?
[16:16] <Theoriser> lol
[16:17] <JaneMarple9> I think Dumbledore knew that Draco wouldn't kill him
[16:17] <Whisperwing> Well he did say just that.
[16:17] <Theoriser> I guess being discovered by the order?
[16:17] <Books_4_eva> I think the thing about a life debit is that you have to save someone from the imeadiat danger
[16:17] <fawkes28> well snape wasn't protecting draco from dumbeldore
[16:17] <fawkes28> he was just fulfilling the unbreakable vow
[16:17] <JaneMarple9> I think Snape was protecting Draco from Voldemort
[16:17] <JaneMarple9> trying to help him along
[16:17] <Whisperwing> If Draco had done the killing, he'd never have made it through the Order below.
[16:18] <fawkes28> like theoriser said he may need to protect him from voldemort later
[16:18] <Whisperwing> Snape was his guarantor for getting out of Hogwarts
[16:18] <Skiplives> If Snape pulls Draco's bacon out of the fire with LV he may owe him a life debt
[16:18] <Theoriser> If Voldemort orders Draco killed, Draco's life as he knew it is over. Do you think Draco will set out on his own or will he desperately turn to the Order for protection for himself and his family? Will Draco try to do something good before he dies?
[16:18] <Whisperwing> Then and only then would there be a debt
[16:19] <Books_4_eva> yes I think so to ww
[16:19] <fawkes28> i think draco will be able to redeem himself
[16:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Draco will run for the hills
[16:19] <cbm> I would expect Narcissa to try to protect draco
[16:19] <JaneMarple9> Draco will do something good
[16:19] <fawkes28> i think the order will also help him if it comes to that
[16:19] <JaneMarple9> I am sure of it
[16:19] <Skiplives> Draco can be saved, wether he will live to enjoy it is debatable
[16:19] <fw00per> I think Draco would only turn to the Order after running for awhile
[16:19] <Whisperwing> I think Voldemort may even assign Bellatrix to do the killing, and I don't think she'd hesitate.
[16:19] <fawkes28> i don't think draco would sacrifice himself for harry though
[16:19] <KimmyBlair> I think he might turn to the order if Voldie is after him... he does only want to save himself
[16:19] <Skiplives> not bella - she'd smile
[16:19] <KimmyBlair> and that way he will save himself
[16:19] <JaneMarple9> Not sure iif the Order would help Draco...he helped to kill their leader
[16:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree ww, and we might have even had foreshadowin on that
[16:19] <fawkes28> but i think he will do something to help the cause
[16:20] <Theoriser> if he turns to the order, they may not accept him
[16:20] <cbm> I think that Narcissa would turn to the order before draco
[16:20] <Books_4_eva> well would it just be draco who would get killed? I think voldy would send them after narccisia to in wich case draco would try to protect her
[16:20] <Theoriser> depends who's in charge of it
[16:20] <Whisperwing> Bellatrix is willing to do absolutely anything for Voldemort.
[16:20] <JaneMarple9> And Narcissa isn't going to be much help
[16:20] <SoonerGryffindor> they will accept him Theoriser, they accepted Snape
[16:20] <fawkes28> but if they learn the whole story, they may decide to help draco
[16:20] <JaneMarple9> she might be keeping her husband company
[16:20] <Whisperwing> And she's desperate to recover from the fumble in the Ministry
[16:21] <fw00per> Draco would become a POW of the Order, but wouldn't actively work for them
[16:21] <cbm> Narcissa does love and care for Draco and I think would do anything to protect him
[16:21] <Whisperwing> Why would Narcissa be in Azkaban?


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[16:21] <Skiplives> Draco may know where to find LV and the Horcrii
[16:21] <fawkes28> because we all know that snape was just following dumbeldore's orders; therefore the order would help draco smile hehe
[16:21] <SoonerGryffindor> lol fawkes
[16:21] <SoonerGryffindor> no arguments from me on that
[16:22] <fawkes28> of course smile
[16:22] <Whisperwing> Harry very well could vouch for Draco, to honor Dumbledore's final wishes...
[16:22] <Whisperwing> He did hear Dumbledore offer the preotection of the order.
[16:22] <Theoriser> lol fawkes... we'll see if that turns out to be right or not tongue
[16:22] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, we cant forget that Harry himself also witnessed Draco lowering his wand
[16:22] <KimmyBlair> good point sooner
[16:22] <fawkes28> true sooner
[16:22] <JaneMarple9> Well perhaps Narcissa will got to jail instead of Draco?
[16:22] <fw00per> good point ww and sooner
[16:22] <Whisperwing> For what though?
[16:23] <JaneMarple9> Yes Harry can vouch for Draco
[16:23] <Skiplives> Can HArry be a better man than Snape and put away his own animosity toward Draco
[16:23] <cbm> But in Harry's mind draco is the one who let the DEs in, can he forgive him for that
[16:23] <JaneMarple9> For making a Unbreakable vow with Snape?
[16:23] <fawkes28> that is the question, isn't it skip?
[16:23] <fawkes28> i hope he can
[16:23] <Skiplives> Me too
[16:23] <Theoriser> Jo wrote Lucius as being in prison and Bellatrix as being absent from the fight at Hogwarts. Was Jo holding them "in the wings" for something else important? Do you think that Narcissa was waiting at home for Draco and she has a plan worked out for their escape?
[16:23] <fawkes28> good point cbm
[16:24] <Whisperwing> And then again, Harry had to force Dumbledore to drink the green potion from the fountain in the cave, so he might just have an understandding of having to do what one has to do.
[16:24] <SoonerGryffindor> all good points
[16:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I've wondered often why BElla was not there that night
[16:24] <fw00per> I think Bella will have a huge part in book 7
[16:24] <Skiplives> They are the mini-bosses before HArry can take down the main boss
[16:24] <fawkes28> i agree fw00per
[16:25] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps Lucius has escaped from jail, when Dumbledore died, and is waiting with Narcissa, for their son?
[16:25] <Skiplives> to borrow an analogy
[16:25] <Theoriser> we definately need to see bellatrix in book 7
[16:25] <fawkes28> either she was with narcissa or working on something bigger with voldemort
[16:25] <Whisperwing> Maybe Bellatrix was being Narcissa's warden, keeping her from interfering with Draco's assignment.
[16:25] <SoonerGryffindor> you would think that the assassination of DD would have warranted better DE's than what showed up at Hogwarts that night
[16:25] <Books_4_eva> i don't think bella wassent because she would be more likly to kill harry
[16:25] <JaneMarple9> Bella is going to be in book 7, she has to be
[16:25] <Skiplives> we need to see her die, actually
[16:25] <fawkes28> i dont think bella would help draco esacpe
[16:25] <cbm> Does he have any better DEs?
[16:25] <Skiplives> none crazier
[16:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I surely hope so cbm, or his side is a joke right now
[16:25] <fw00per> probably none more loyal either
[16:25] <fawkes28> i think she would not go too much against voldemort
[16:25] <JaneMarple9> They might be all in Azakaban?
[16:25] <Whisperwing> Better Death Eater... oxymoron?
[16:26] <Books_4_eva> lol
[16:26] <fawkes28> yes, i was disappointed with the death eaters
[16:26] <cbm> I should of said more skilled DEs
[16:26] <SoonerGryffindor> if that was the "A" team, then the Order's job will be a piece of cake
[16:26] <fawkes28> but bigger things are to come
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[16:26] <fawkes28> welcome freedomstar
[16:26] <Whisperwing> What was with the Bobbsey twins there?
[16:26] <FreedomStar> Hi y'all, just saw that the corner booth is open
[16:26] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome freedomstar
[16:26] <fw00per> the "A" team will be to take down Harry
[16:26] <Theoriser> hi there freedonstar
[16:26] <Theoriser> *freedom
[16:26] <Skiplives> DEs are all jokes
[16:26] <FreedomStar> smile
[16:26] <Books_4_eva> hi freedom
[16:27] <Skiplives> Hi ho
[16:27] <FreedomStar> so what are we discussing right now?
[16:27] <JaneMarple9> PotterCast
[16:27] <Theoriser> Bellatrix had been teaching Draco Occlumency, and Draco seems to be pretty good at it. Do you think it's possible that instead
of running, Draco and Snape could hide the doubts Draco had and go report straight to Voldemort a successful mission completed by himself,
Snape, and the other Death Eaters?
[16:27] <FreedomStar> ah
[16:28] <Skiplives> I think that is all that can save both of them
[16:28] <KimmyBlair> no
[16:28] <Theoriser> oops that question went weird, sorry
[16:28] <fw00per> what would the other DE's say, though; would they go along with the story?
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[16:28] <FreedomStar> ok, well, let's see.
[16:28] <FreedomStar> I don't think so.
[16:28] <KimmyBlair> because the other's know that he didn't do it
[16:28] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome anna
[16:28] <AnnaNoe> hi
[16:28] <Whisperwing> Hmm, since he was able to occlude his thoughts from Severus, maybe he is good enough to face Voldemort...
[16:28] <FreedomStar> The thing is that while Drago might have learned occlumency, voldemort has years more experience with it
[16:28] <JaneMarple9> not sure
[16:28] <FreedomStar> (welcome anna!)
[16:28] <Skiplives> they need to beat the other DEs to LV so they can get the right "facts" in front of them
[16:28] <AnnaNoe> hi
[16:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I think a lot of that question is dependent on how much Draco knows
[16:28] <KimmyBlair> good point freedom
[16:29] <JaneMarple9> he seems to be a better occulmencies than Harry is there
[16:29] <cbm> Draco had a better teacher
[16:29] <KimmyBlair> i'm a better occulemens than Harry
[16:29] <Whisperwing> They don't necessarily have to hide that Draco wasn't the killer, but he does have to keep Voldemort from realizing he'd been tempted to accept the help of the Order.
[16:29] <SoonerGryffindor> but how much can Snape and Draco work togther on this?
[16:29] <SoonerGryffindor> hahahahKimmy
[16:29] <JaneMarple9> and perhaps a better occumencies than Snape too? Perhaps Snape has things he wanted to hide from Draco
[16:29] <fw00per> lol kimmy
[16:29] <fawkes28> yes draco does seem to be better at it
[16:30] <Skiplives> his life is more directly at risk if he doesn't learn it
[16:30] <fawkes28> lol kimmy
[16:30] <Skiplives> lol
[16:30] <Books_4_eva> I think harry wouldne't be able to learn oclamensy no matter who the teacher
[16:30] <fawkes28> i think snape is a master, jane
[16:30] <FreedomStar> I honestly don't think Draco would be able to hide anything from Voldemort.
[16:30] <fawkes28> he has had years of experience
[16:30] <fw00per> harry is too emotional for Occlumency
[16:30] <KimmyBlair> me either Freedom...
[16:30] <JaneMarple9> glad I'm not close enough so you can occlumenies me Kimmy
[16:30] <FreedomStar> What I find more interesting, however, is that Bellatrix found a need to teach him Occlumency.
[16:30] <KimmyBlair> plus draco will be so terrified.. it will be hard to hide somthing
[16:30] <Whisperwing> That would be Legilimency
[16:31] <cbm> At the end of OotP, Dumbledore said he should of taught harry, so I think that Dumbledore thought it was possible
[16:31] <FreedomStar> What is it that Draco knows, or might know, that means that he needs to close his mind?
[16:31] <FreedomStar> Maybe from Dumbledore?
[16:31] <KimmyBlair> with Snape Draco felt like he had the upper hand... with Voldie Draco is just more terrified
[16:31] <fw00per> maybe if Harry wasn't so emotionally charged toward his teacher
[16:31] <Whisperwing> How scared he is
[16:31] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps Dumbledore taught Snape occumencies?
[16:32] <cbm> I think Bella tauch Draco because of Dumbledore
[16:32] <JaneMarple9> who taught snape in the first place? or did he learn himself?
[16:32] <Whisperwing> And maybe he taught himself Occlumency to shield his own thoughts in self defense as a childe.
[16:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Oclumency is just somehting you are either good at or not, there is only so much you can learn
[16:32] <Theoriser> harry dreaded his lessons so badly I don't think he really practised, or thought they were important
[16:32] <Books_4_eva> I think even if dumbledore had tryed to teach harry occlamensy there would only be so far he could get with it. Harry is way to intune with his fealingd and I think dumbledore would have seen this
[16:32] <fawkes28> right, sooner which is why harry is having trouble
[16:32] <Whisperwing> Maybe to hide from even his own mother that he meant to do away with his dad.
[16:32] <Theoriser> if bellatrix was a better teacher than snape then draco is probably better at occlumency just for that reason
[16:32] <JaneMarple9> No Harry didn't practice it properly. He was too scared what he might see
[16:32] <Skiplives> Harry and Snape practicing occlumency is just a bad match
[16:33] <cbm> I am still not convinced they were real lessons, everything got worse as soon as they started
[16:33] <Theoriser> Where is Voldemort hiding out this whole time? Is he at the Riddle House or is it too well known?
[16:33] <Skiplives> calm is kind of impossible there
[16:33] <KimmyBlair> to well known
[16:33] <fw00per> too well known
[16:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree with Kimmy
[16:33] <KimmyBlair> i beleive he is somwhere else
[16:33] <JaneMarple9> He might be at Malfoy Manor?
[16:33] <Books_4_eva> yes to well known
[16:33] <cbm> somewhere else
[16:33] <fawkes28> i think he may also move around from place to place
[16:33] <Theoriser> I think so too kimmy
[16:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if wherever he is has a fidelius charm on it?
[16:33] <fw00per> good point fawkes
[16:33] <fawkes28> i dont think he stays in one specific location to keep people guessing
[16:33] <KimmyBlair> that's what i'm thinking sooner
[16:33] <Books_4_eva> somewhere knew I think or maybe that we have only herd in passing
[16:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet anything its been right under our noses
[16:34] <Whisperwing> Here, little mongoose, let me set you up with Occlumency lessons with a cobra...
[16:34] <JaneMarple9> He probably does move around place to place. but not Godric's Hollow
[16:34] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[16:34] <Whisperwing> man did that take too long to come up with
[16:34] <fw00per> since the DE's have those handy scars, he wouldn't need one place
[16:34] <SoonerGryffindor> good analogy on the mongoose and cobra ww
[16:34] <KimmyBlair> I mean Bella and Cissy had to know where 12 grimmuld place was and they never got into the headquarters of the Order
[16:34] <KimmyBlair> i'm sure if they put a fidelius on the Riddle house dumbledore could not get in
[16:34] <Skiplives> He at Barad-dûr
[16:34] <fw00per> yes, kimmy
[16:35] <Books_4_eva> yes but they could suround that area and wait for someone ot appear there
[16:35] <SoonerGryffindor> it would be funny if we found out he was at Spinner's End
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[16:35] <fawkes28> maybe voldemort put a fidelus charm on the riddle house
[16:35] <fawkes28> or the gaunt house
[16:35] <Whisperwing> Nah
[16:35] <cbm> I thought the gaunt house was a ruin
[16:35] <fw00per> didn't DD go to the Gaunt house?
[16:35] <Whisperwing> Yes he did
[16:36] <fawkes28> he could have fixed it
[16:36] <Skiplives> He probably had a place back in the 1980s and just retook the house
[16:36] <cbm> that too fw00per
[16:36] <Whisperwing> And if he were going to use Fidelius, wouldn't the cave have been put under one?
[16:36] <KimmyBlair> ok guys i'm out...
[16:36] <KimmyBlair> talk to you later!
[16:36] <JaneMarple9> he followed Ogden to the Gaunt House yes
[16:36] <KimmyBlair> great chat!
[16:36] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Kimmy
[16:36] <FreedomStar> bye kimmy!
[16:36] <Skiplives> bye Kimmy
[16:36] <Theoriser> bye kimmy smile
[16:36] <fawkes28> bye kimmy
[16:36] <Whisperwing> Bye Kimmy!
[16:36] <KimmyBlair> bye!
[16:36] <Books_4_eva> aw bu bye kimmy
[16:36] <JaneMarple9> take care Kimmy!
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[16:37] <Theoriser> The mailbag
[16:37] <Theoriser> Do you agree with the conclusion of the first question that Snape was the Death Eater that LV said had left him forever and that the question was answered nicely by the Spinner's End chapter?
[16:37] <fw00per> not sure
[16:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the question was answered by Snape at Spinner's End when he was talking to Bella
[16:37] <Whisperwing> Wait, if Tom RIddle was wearing the ring when he was sixteen, and made it a Horcrux... who had it after that, that Dumbledore was able to find it and destroy it?
[16:37] <JaneMarple9> not sure
[16:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that;s one of the reaons that JKR had that nice diaogue between them
[16:37] <Skiplives> I thought it was what's-his-name Durmstrang-guy
[16:38] <Whisperwing> Oh no< I think that was Karkaroff
[16:38] <Skiplives> yeah - him
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[16:38] <Whisperwing> Who was, remember, dead in the next book
[16:38] <SoonerGryffindor> no, Karkaroff was more than likely the one that LV was referring to who was too scared to return
[16:38] <fawkes28> hello ginnyous
[16:38] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome ginnyous
[16:38] <Ginnyous> Hi guys it's nice to be back
[16:38] <Theoriser> I think karkaroff was the one too cowardly to return
[16:38] <JaneMarple9> Perhaps it eas Barty Crouch?
[16:38] <Theoriser> hi Ginnyous, nice name smile
[16:39] <Skiplives> I thought that was Snape
[16:39] <Whisperwing> Barty Crouch was his one truly loyal
[16:39] <Ginnyous> what are we talking about today
[16:39] <Skiplives> Barty was the loyal one
[16:39] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape tells Bella specifically that he was the one LV thought was never coming back
[16:39] <fawkes28> yes i agree that barty was loyal
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[16:39] <Ginnyous> Thank you Theoriser
[16:39] <Books_4_eva> karkkarof is the cowadly one, I would make more sence that nape is the one who disertad im since he was suposadly spying
[16:39] <Theoriser> oh whisperwing, I see what you were saying. Voldemort left the ring inside the gaunt house, which is where dumbledore found it
[16:40] <Skiplives> She's baaaaaaaack - Hi MJ
[16:40] <fawkes28> wb, future
[16:40] <SoonerGryffindor> wb future
[16:40] <Whisperwing> Then the Gaunt house had to be booby trapped too.
[16:40] <futureweasley> I'm here...
[16:40] <futureweasley> lol
[16:40] <futureweasley> hi guys
[16:40] <Books_4_eva> wb futuer!
[16:40] <SoonerGryffindor> hide under your cloak from the boss future
[16:40] <cbm> wb fb
[16:40] <JaneMarple9> The invisability cloak worked then future? weebee!
[16:41] <Ginnyous> hi futureweasley
[16:41] <Books_4_eva> th computer to
[16:41] <futureweasley> oooh, I'm in so much trouble...it's amusing, however
[16:41] <Whisperwing> Snape, Karkarov and Crouch were all three at Hogwarts that night
[16:41] <fawkes28> awe sad
[16:41] <Theoriser> The second question asks how Quirrel was able to hold the DADA position for more than one year. What do you think is the answer to the second question?
[16:41] <Books_4_eva> did you manage to escape the dreaded boss for now then
[16:42] <Whisperwing> The years were non-contiguous?
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[16:42] <fw00per> do we know that Quirrell was DADA teacher for more than one year?
[16:42] <futureweasley> right, fw00per
[16:42] <cbm> maybe he had it one year, left and came back
[16:42] <futureweasley> I'm not sure that's been specified
[16:42] <Whisperwing> He taught ut, went on his trip, then came back VOldie-headed?
[16:42] <fw00per> that would work, cbm and ww
[16:42] <Books_4_eva> ye that is posable cbm
[16:42] <Theoriser> the timeline seems messed up on this
[16:42] <Skiplives> Quirrel didn't hold it in consecutive years - he met LV out in Albania on sabbatical
[16:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I have a theory that they didnt mention, and that is that since Quirrell had LV on his head, it didnt count
[16:42] <fawkes28> i think it is ok as long as it is not consecutive
[16:42] <Whisperwing> And because he had the curse-maker on his head, the curse was bypassed
[16:42] <SoonerGryffindor> lol ww
[16:42] <SoonerGryffindor> same theory as mine
[16:43] <Theoriser> from what hagrid says about him it seems like he's been jittery and scared for at least a few years, not only just now
[16:43] <fawkes28> voldemort just didnt want people getting too comfortable
[16:43] <Skiplives> plus he did die in his second year
[16:43] <cbm> lol ww
[16:43] <futureweasley> Skip, how do we know that he held the position before he went to Albania?
[16:43] <fw00per> he could have been a student before
[16:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he had the same position
[16:43] <Skiplives> The discussion with Hagrid in the Leaky Cauldron makes it seem that way
[16:43] <Theoriser> I think that either it didn't count since it was voldemort, or that he'd just got back from his year out in albania
[16:43] <Whisperwing> We don't really know how old Quirrel is
[16:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Percy mentions it somewhere
[16:43] <futureweasley> I will look on Lexicon later
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[16:44] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Aislinn
[16:44] <fawkes28> hello aislinn
[16:44] <futureweasley> that's funny...I just thought he was an ickle newbie
[16:44] <JaneMarple9> that sounds reasonable Theorisor, Quirrell did seem nervous all the time
[16:44] <fw00per> DD doesn't inro Q as the new DADA teacher
[16:44] <futureweasley> hi Aislinn
[16:44] <Books_4_eva> hi aslinn
[16:44] <JaneMarple9> Hi Aisslinn
[16:44] <Skiplives> we know he was on sabatical - which means he was at Hogwarts before that
[16:44] <Aislinn> Hi smile
[16:44] <SoonerGryffindor> that's another good point fwooper
[16:44] <Skiplives> Hi ho
[16:44] <JaneMarple9> I imagine Quirrell being there for at least two or three years
[16:45] <Skiplives> Possibly not as the DADA teach, but at Hogwarts
[16:45] <fw00per> just got to House of Black - LOL
[16:45] <Whisperwing> Quirinus Quirrel?
[16:45] <futureweasley> ok, that makes more sense Skip
[16:45] <fw00per> yes, skip
[16:45] <futureweasley> I agree with that...the job is cursed...period
[16:45] <futureweasley> no one is an exception
[16:46] <Skiplives> though Hagrid does say something about his nerve, so maybe one year as DADA, we won't know
[16:46] <Whisperwing> Defense Against the Dark Arts for the 1991-1992 school year. Prior to that Quirrell took a school year off a few years back and went to Albania to get first hand experience dealing with Dark creatures and Dark magic. Quirrell met Voldemort there, who twisted his mind to accept the Dark way. Quirrell became a slave to the disembodied Voldemort for quite some time, but, by his own admission, often failed to please his master. It wa
[16:46] <SoonerGryffindor> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the PotterCast Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/PotterCast-f104.html.
[16:46] <fawkes28> thanks, ww
[16:46] <Whisperwing> From the Lexicon
[16:46] <Skiplives> I assumed, thanks
[16:46] <Whisperwing> We have to talk about the SONG!
[16:46] <futureweasley> thanks Whisper
[16:47] <fw00per> so does that mean JKR made a *gasp* mistake?
[16:47] <SoonerGryffindor> we will ww
[16:47] <Theoriser> The 3rd question is on why did Dumbledore use similar terminology to Mrs. Cole about Tom's care during the holidays; specifically laying out the terms that he had to return back at least once per year. Is there something to this? Doesn't this theory contradict what JKR said about LV never being loved?
[16:47] <Theoriser> we'll do that at the end whisper, normally we go through from beginning to end
[16:47] <Skiplives> no - it means DD doesn't provide day care
[16:47] <fawkes28> oh i definitely wonder about this once per year thing
[16:47] <Whisperwing> She may have wanted to hide his existence from her father and brother to spite them.
[16:47] <Skiplives> lag is slooooooow
[16:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I had never thought of it before, but I just cant see where it will be an issue
[16:48] <fawkes28> i have thought of something but it is far-fetched
[16:48] <SoonerGryffindor> there s so much that needs to be tied up, and this is raising more question, IMP
[16:48] <cbm> I think that Dumbledore knew that the women did not want him back
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[16:48] <Whisperwing> So whatever thoughts the Gaunts might have had about the line continuing, they would think had died out.
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[16:48] <Aislinn> I think that he just meant that the school closes in the summer, and that Tom needed a place to be during that time
[16:49] <Books_4_eva> I think dumbledore was just making it clear tom wouldn't be gone forever
[16:49] <Whisperwing> Why isn't there wizard foster care?
[16:49] <Skiplives> No summer camp for wizards
[16:49] <fw00per> speaking as a teacher, you may love them, but you also need time off from them
[16:49] <fawkes28> soooo true, fw00per
[16:49] <Skiplives> and they from you
[16:49] <futureweasley> have a great week, guys...I've got to go
[16:50] <fw00per> yes, skip
[16:50] <FreedomStar> bye future!
[16:50] <Skiplives> bye FW
[16:50] <fawkes28> bye future
[16:50] <futureweasley> give the baby a kiss for me, Skip
[16:50] <fw00per> bye fw
[16:50] <Books_4_eva> bye future
[16:50] <fawkes28> lol true skip
[16:50] <Skiplives> will do
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[16:50] <Theoriser> What are your thoughts on the Harry Potter franchise? Is this just a fad that will fade away, or will generations to come love Harry as much as we do?
[16:50] <Skiplives> it will be evergreen
[16:50] <fw00per> generations and generations to come will love
[16:50] <FreedomStar> I think it's going to be like Narnia
[16:50] <Whisperwing> True, he was in a Muggle orphanage, but surely once he was determined to be a wizard, he could have been fostered into a wizarding family while the school was closed?
[16:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I truly hope my grandkids love it as much as I do
[16:50] <Books_4_eva> I think hp will be around for quoite a while yet
[16:50] <Whisperwing> argh
[16:50] <JaneMarple9> Harry will carry on for years
[16:50] <fawkes28> i think it will be considered a classic in the future
[16:50] <Aislinn> I think there are timeless themes that will always appeal
[16:50] <cbm> I think a lot depends on the last book
[16:50] <fawkes28> the books are universal
[16:50] <JaneMarple9> and get new fans all the time
[16:51] <SoonerGryffindor> very good point cbm!
[16:51] <FreedomStar> It will become a classic tale and be used in classrooms for years to come, be a very popular series amongst all ages, and keep itself going
[16:51] <Skiplives> I don't seeing it age like the Rugby School Books or the PG Wodehouse novels
[16:51] <Whisperwing> It's as enduring, surely, as Alice in Wonderland?
[16:51] <fawkes28> and i think people will pass it down generation to generation
[16:51] <Books_4_eva> it may "settle down" a bit but it will be here for a long time
[16:51] <fw00per> more so, and more in depth, ww
[16:51] <Whisperwing> Narnia is set during WWII and yet it's also timeless.
[16:51] <FreedomStar> Alrighty, I'm gonna apparate out
[16:51] <Whisperwing> bye Star
[16:51] <fawkes28> it will settle down but it is nice to be able to live in the moment
[16:51] <Skiplives> bye Freedom
[16:51] <FreedomStar> happy discussion to you all!
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[16:52] <fw00per> bye freedom
[16:52] <JaneMarple9> Harry has the legacy of the books
[16:52] <JaneMarple9> and the films too
[16:52] <fawkes28> you never really know how this will affect people generations from now
[16:52] <fawkes28> we are witnessing a great thing
[16:52] <AnnaNoe> sadly i think after the movies are made..harry potter will continue fora few more years and then i think things will slow down a bit.
[16:52] <JaneMarple9> and the Leaky Lounge
[16:52] <Whisperwing> Films have proven to be enduring, like Wizardof Oz and Gone With The Wind.
[16:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it will not ever be as big as it is now, but it will always be there
[16:52] <fw00per> hopefully the films will lead people to the books
[16:52] <cbm> But do we really have anything previous to this to compare it to? was anything this big and worldwide? I think it is unprecedented
[16:52] <Books_4_eva> only time will really tell if they truly do become classics
[16:52] <Skiplives> The films will help keep it in the public consciousness
[16:53] <Theoriser> I think the hp series will definately endure, it's not just the most popular series at the moment, but practically everyone has heard of it, and they've introduced so many people to reading
[16:53] <AnnaNoe> ok i gtg
[16:53] <AnnaNoe> bye all!
[16:53] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Anna
[16:53] <Books_4_eva> bye anna
[16:53] <fw00per> bye anna
[16:53] <Whisperwing> Bye Anna!
[16:53] <JaneMarple9> I think they are more or less classics now, even without book 7
[16:53] <JaneMarple9> bye anna
[16:53] <Skiplives> my kids are just starting to get into the series
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[16:54] <fawkes28> and we can tell our grandchildren and great-grandchildren about how we were right that snape really was good!!!!!!
[16:54] <Skiplives> lol
[16:54] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL fawkes
[16:54] <Theoriser> or how wrong you were tongue
[16:54] <cbm> LOL
[16:54] <JaneMarple9> I think there will be always be Harry Potter fans
[16:54] <fawkes28> grrrr
[16:54] <Skiplives> as the case may be
[16:54] <Books_4_eva> lol that optamistic thinking for ya
[16:54] <Whisperwing> There are layers to HP, rereading gives the reader more satisfaction.
[16:54] <JaneMarple9> We'll have to see if he is good or not!
[16:54] <Skiplives> like any good work of fiction
[16:54] <fw00per> layers and layers
[16:55] <Books_4_eva> like an onion
[16:55] <Whisperwing> Like a parfait!
[16:55] <fw00per> layer cake
[16:55] <Theoriser> The surprise filk "House of Black" at the end with Guru and Becca - wasn't it amazing?!
[16:55] <fw00per> hysterical
[16:55] <Whisperwing> SO that's who she was!
[16:55] <fawkes28> it was great
[16:55] <fawkes28> and very catchy
[16:55] <SoonerGryffindor> I've listened to it 5 times and I stll am laughing
[16:55] <Books_4_eva> yup it was
[16:55] <Skiplives> fantastic
[16:55] <JaneMarple9> I still find out more about Harry Potter with countless listenings to Harry Potter tapes
[16:55] <fw00per> still humming
[16:55] <fw00per> still listening to it, round 4
[16:55] <Books_4_eva> oh have to gu bu bye guys smile
[16:55] <Theoriser> yeah, she was from the fan interview
[16:56] <JaneMarple9> it was very good, nice play on words
[16:56] <SoonerGryffindor> bye books
[16:56] <Whisperwing> Bye Booksie
[16:56] <fw00per> bye books
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[16:56] <Skiplives> Needs real instumentation, but it really was a great filk
[16:56] <SoonerGryffindor> Guru just makes it look so easy, doesnt he?
[16:56] <cbm> I liked it!
[16:56] <Whisperwing> real instrumentation?
[16:57] <Whisperwing> I had a 'filk' idea last night, but it's not HP related... more Halloween related.
[16:57] * JaneMarple9 hugs everyone! I will be back for the "all dayer" on Saturday
[16:57] <Theoriser> I thought it was brilliant
[16:57] * JaneMarple9 hugs everybody! smile
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[16:57] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh
[16:57] <SoonerGryffindor> time for the group hug!!!!!!!!!!
[16:57] <Whisperwing> Based on People by Streisand....
[16:57] <Whisperwing> Wee!
[16:57] <Whisperwing> I actually stuck around for it this time
[16:57] <SoonerGryffindor> lol ww
[16:58] <Skiplives> ww live playing, the recording is "soft" at the high and low end
[16:58] * fawkes28 joins in for a great big group hug
[16:58] <Skiplives> group hug
[16:58] * SoonerGryffindor dives into the middle of the hug
[16:58] <fw00per> group huuuuug
[16:58] <Whisperwing> : squishes All!
[16:58] <fw00per> Ok, now I can't breathe
[16:58] * SoonerGryffindor starts shuffling everyone to the door
[16:58] * Theoriser hugs everyone
[16:58] * Whisperwing squishes All!
[16:58] <Aislinn> bye all!
[16:58] <Whisperwing> there
[16:58] <Aislinn> see you next time smile
[16:58] <fw00per> bye everybody!
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[16:58] <Skiplives> see you all next week
[16:58] <fawkes28> bye everyone
[16:59] <Whisperwing> People, people who eat people, are the undeadest people in the world....
[16:59] <Skiplives> bye fawkes
[16:59] <Theoriser> bye bye smile
[16:59] * SoonerGryffindor starts putting on the steel toed boots
[16:59] <Skiplives> bad ww bad
[16:59] <Skiplives> smile
[16:59] * Whisperwing cackles
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[16:59] <SoonerGryffindor> lol ww
[16:59] <Skiplives> leaving too - baby to feed soon
[16:59] <Whisperwing> There' slike five different stations playing Night of the Living Dead in the coming week
[16:59] <Skiplives> bye all
[16:59] <Aislinn> bye smile
[17:00] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Skip
[17:00] <Whisperwing> Yeah, my daughter's just hovering, waiting for the computer.
[17:00] <Skiplives>
[17:00] <Theoriser> bye skip, bye whisperwing
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