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[15:02] <danae24> Hi!
[15:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hey danae
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[15:02] <Poet> Nice avatar danae
[15:02] <danae24> Hi sooner!
[15:02] <danae24> thanks!
[15:02] <Sofie> hello!
[15:02] <danae24> Hi Sofie!
[15:02] <SoonerGryffindor> hey sofie
[15:02] <fawkes28> hello danae and sofie
[15:02] <Sofie> congrats danae smile
[15:02] <danae24> Hi fawkes!
[15:02] <danae24> Thanks Sofie!
[15:02] <Poet> I was using danae's avatar yesterday, but am wearing my PotterCast elf one today
[15:03] * danae24 is blushing terribly
[15:03] <SoonerGryffindor> oh yes! Nice work danae
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[15:03] <Sofie> hey kimmy!
[15:03] <danae24> Hi Kimmy!!!
[15:03] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Kimmy
[15:03] * Poet fangirls Kimmy
[15:03] <KimmyBlair> this chat hates me...
[15:03] <KimmyBlair> i swear
[15:03] <fawkes28> hello kimmy
[15:03] <KimmyBlair> HI!
[15:03] <KimmyBlair> AWWWW
[15:03] * KimmyBlair fangirls poet
[15:03] <Poet> It hates us all
[15:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I feel your pain Kimmy
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[15:03] <KimmyBlair> it's like...
[15:04] <KimmyBlair> lets see how many times I can kick you out
[15:04] <Poet> aww
[15:04] <KimmyBlair> luckily I have a big kit kat to ease my pain
[15:04] <SoonerGryffindor> it just doesnt want to let me in most of the time laugh
[15:04] <danae24> yes....... it does play "lets get all the lounger out the chat"
[15:04] <Sofie> yes, sometimes its quite evil
[15:04] <harryfreak359> Hello everyone!
[15:04] <SoonerGryffindor> like, let's not let the mods in
[15:04] <danae24> Hi harryfreak!
[15:04] <Sofie> hey!
[15:04] <SoonerGryffindor> hey hf
[15:04] <fawkes28> hi hf!
[15:04] * Poet passes out Dairy Milk
[15:04] <harryfreak359> smile
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[15:04] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Mr M
[15:04] * danae24 grabs a dairy milk
[15:04] <harryfreak359> Complaining about the server?
[15:04] <Sofie> hey MrM!
[15:04] <KimmyBlair> yes
[15:05] <Poet> Hi MrMcG!
[15:05] <KimmyBlair> snuffles does not lov eme
[15:05] <harryfreak359> hi MrMCG!
[15:05] <SoonerGryffindor> we'll see if that makes snuffles happy
[15:05] <Sofie> hehe
[15:05] <harryfreak359> I don't snuffles likes me either
[15:05] <fawkes28> hehe
[15:05] <Poet> hmm
[15:05] <Sofie> lets spoil snuffles!
[15:05] <Poet> So the saga continues
[15:05] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Poet
[15:05] <KimmyBlair> and i just got choclolate on my keyboard...
[15:05] <KimmyBlair> sigh
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[15:06] <Sofie> hey skip!
[15:06] <fawkes28> hello skip
[15:06] <Skiplives> Hi all
[15:06] <harryfreak359> hi skip!
[15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome skip
[15:06] <Poet> Howdy Skiplives
[15:06] <fawkes28> hello mr. m - just saw you smile
[15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> Kimmy, just lick the keyboard, it will be all right
[15:06] <harryfreak359> LOL
[15:06] <Sofie> lol
[15:06] <KimmyBlair> hahaha
[15:06] <harryfreak359> I have pizza on my keyboard
[15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:06] * Poet says a little "woot" in honor of fawkes28
[15:06] <SoonerGryffindor> hahahaha
[15:06] <Sofie> i dont wanna know whats on my keyboard
[15:06] <KimmyBlair> i want pizza!
[15:06] <danae24> woot!
[15:06] <harryfreak359> lol
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[15:06] <fawkes28> woo hoo!
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[15:07] <Poet> See what I started....
[15:07] <fawkes28> hello theoriser!
[15:07] <KimmyBlair> hahaha
[15:07] <danae24> I have smarties on my keyboard
[15:07] <harryfreak359> hi theoriser
[15:07] <KimmyBlair> hi!
[15:07] <Sofie> hey hannah!
[15:07] <fawkes28> shame on you
[15:07] <Poet> Yay - Theoriser got in!
[15:07] <harryfreak359> lol
[15:07] <SoonerGryffindor> mmmm, chocolate, pizza and smarties
[15:07] <danae24> Hi theoriser!
[15:07] * KimmyBlair looks around her work to see if anyone is looking
[15:07] <Skiplives> lol
[15:07] <KimmyBlair> wow... WAY TO BE DELAYED SNUFFLES
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[15:07] <harryfreak359> what a good combination of food
[15:07] <Sofie> do it fast kimmy!
[15:07] <KimmyBlair> i typed that a good hour ago
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[15:07] <harryfreak359> LOL
[15:08] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:08] <Skiplives> yeah there is a little lag here too
[15:08] <SoonerGryffindor> looks like Mr M is having troubles as well
[15:08] <harryfreak359> aww Snuffles....
[15:08] <SoonerGryffindor> we are all lagging
[15:08] <danae24> Yes, chocolate is good, pizza is good, smarties are good............. everything's good!!!!
[15:08] * Poet wonders if its time for Thanksgiving yet
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[15:08] <Sofie> im not....
[15:08] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:08] * danae24 hates lag..........
[15:08] <harryfreak359> I am not having any problems at all....the world must be ending
[15:08] <SoonerGryffindor> so is salsa and waffles laugh
[15:08] <Poet> sheesh
[15:08] <SoonerGryffindor> lol hf
[15:08] <danae24> Salsa!!! and chips!!!!
[15:08] <fawkes28> maybe it has something to do with that pizza, hf
[15:08] <harryfreak359> Yum Sooner!
[15:08] <Poet> so is Snape, Snape is good
[15:08] <fawkes28> you should eat it all the time!
[15:08] <danae24> Pizza with salsa!!!
[15:08] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, and Harry is good..... but.......
[15:08] <Poet> eww
[15:09] <SoonerGryffindor> they are not all good together
[15:09] <harryfreak359> I never really tried salsa with waffles....but I'd give it a try
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[15:09] <Poet> Never together. I'm out of waffles at the moment actually
[15:09] <danae24> it's not bad!!! you cant say you dont like it until you tried it............
[15:09] <KimmyBlair> you guys are making me hungry! cut it out!
[15:09] <Poet> Don't harryfreak359 (coughs violently)
[15:09] <danae24> i'm talking about pizza and salsa, not waffles and salsa
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[15:09] <harryfreak359> lol
[15:09] <Sofie> pizza is delicious with everything...
[15:09] <harryfreak359> Poet, you wouldn't do well in my family!
[15:09] <harryfreak359> laugh
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[15:10] <harryfreak359> they like the weirdest things
[15:10] <fawkes28> so did everyone have a nice day??
[15:10] <Poet> hey again Skip
[15:10] <Skiplives> Poor Snuffles has the sniffles
[15:10] <danae24> I did!
[15:10] <Poet> He caught John's strep
[15:10] <harryfreak359> um so far!
[15:10] <Skiplives> has anyone tried Carmel Sutra Ice Cream?
[15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> this might be an interesting chat if we cant all stay on it or type
[15:10] <danae24> I'm just hanging out in my home!!!
[15:10] <Poet> And Meliss' computer trouble
[15:10] <MrMcGonagall> I had strange difficulties logging in.
[15:10] <Sofie> i did fawkes....even thought it was really cold outside...i was freezing
[15:10] <Poet> I have Skip
[15:10] <KimmyBlair> that sounds like ben and jerrys
[15:10] <Poet> It's my favorite
[15:10] <Skiplives> heaven
[15:10] <SoonerGryffindor> I had the most horrible time as well Mr M
[15:10] <fawkes28> awe sofie sorry to hear it is actually warm here in the 60s
[15:11] * harryfreak359 must have given everyone else her computer problems
[15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> its 75 here smile
[15:11] <harryfreak359> 75 here too
[15:11] <MrMcGonagall> Seems fine now, though. No signs of lag.
[15:11] <Skiplives> Because we had a baby, our friends are taking turns bringing over dinner
[15:11] <fawkes28> it is going to be 75 here tomorrow
[15:11] <Poet> nice
[15:11] <MrMcGonagall> It's going to be cold in Oklahoma tomorrow, though, Sooner!
[15:11] <KimmyBlair> it's actually not bad here... in the low 60s
[15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> woot for not having to cook
[15:11] <MrMcGonagall> Brrr!!
[15:11] <Skiplives> and one brought that stuff over
[15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> oh no!
[15:11] <Sofie> it was 6 C here sad
[15:11] <danae24> awwwwwwwwwwwww....... Skiplives, how old is the baby???
[15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> but I dont want cold
[15:11] * harryfreak359 wants it to get colder
[15:11] <Skiplives> 25 days
[15:11] <Poet> We need a Corner Booth live from Oklahoma
[15:11] <danae24> awwwwwwwwww!!
[15:11] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:11] * fawkes28 does not want it to get colder
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[15:12] * Sofie loves babies
[15:12] <Skiplives> yep, he's great
[15:12] <Poet> I'd come down. We could discuss how much we love Snape.
[15:12] * KimmyBlair loves choclate
[15:12] <MrMcGonagall> Well, cold for Oklahoma - Tulsa has a high of 54 degrees for tomorrow. But when today was close to 80 . . .
[15:12] * danae24 wants to get halloween candies
[15:12] <harryfreak359> wow
[15:12] * SoonerGryffindor loves babies but is really glad not to have a newborn keeping her up all the time
[15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Poet
[15:12] <Poet> wow - 80
[15:12] <KimmyBlair> i have a 4 year old (nephew) keeping me up
[15:12] <SoonerGryffindor> we could definitely talk some Snape
[15:12] <fawkes28> poet, i'd join in a convo about loving snape smile
[15:12] <Sofie> yes! talk about snape!
[15:12] <KimmyBlair> he woke me up with the 8 o clock song this morning
[15:12] <Skiplives> amen - I do the 11 and 6 AM feedings
[15:13] <harryfreak359> yes Snape!
[15:13] <fawkes28> woo hoo for snape!
[15:13] <Poet> What is the 8:00 song?
[15:13] <Skiplives> eh Snape
[15:13] <KimmyBlair> hahah
[15:13] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:13] <KimmyBlair> "it's 8:00... its 8:00... auntie kimmy get up... it's 8:00"
[15:13] <Skiplives> lol
[15:13] <KimmyBlair> i think he made it up as he went along
[15:13] <harryfreak359> lol
[15:13] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:13] <Poet> Sounds like a hit
[15:13] <KimmyBlair> but that's just a guess
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[15:14] <danae24> I get that with my 7 year's old sister..............
[15:14] <Skiplives> My five year old will just pop me on the head if I'm not paying attention (sleeping)
[15:14] <Sofie> lol
[15:14] <harryfreak359> lol
[15:14] <harryfreak359> nice
[15:14] <KimmyBlair> hahaha
[15:14] <SoonerGryffindor> oh, I remember those days
[15:14] <Poet> I had a cat when I was little that would come to my bedroom window and meow at me - just like a rooster - a certain time every day
[15:14] <harryfreak359> lol
[15:14] <Skiplives> I miss sleeping in
[15:14] <Sofie> hehe
[15:14] <danae24> she's like........ " Danae, wake up........ it's 8 am........... I want to see a DVD.........."
[15:14] <MrMcGonagall> My mom used to come into our room and sing.
[15:15] <Poet> My mom accidentally ran him over on Halloween day, and he died. I cried every Halloween for the next couple years after that.
[15:15] <Sofie> :(
[15:15] <Skiplives> awwww
[15:15] <danae24> awwwwwwwwww sad
[15:15] <Sofie> my cat run away
[15:15] <Skiplives> cats will do that
[15:15] <SoonerGryffindor> that's a horrible story Poet
[15:15] <Sofie> it was ages agou though
[15:15] <danae24> I cant have cats in my house, dad's allergic to them
[15:15] <harryfreak359> that's sad Poet
[15:15] <KimmyBlair> my cat is just fine...
[15:15] * SoonerGryffindor is sad now
[15:16] <Skiplives> I have three boys, no cats for the sake of the cats
[15:16] <harryfreak359> my dad hates cats for some reason
[15:16] <KimmyBlair> be happy!
[15:16] <KimmyBlair> this pottercast discussed snape!
[15:16] <Sofie> lets talk about snape then, it will cheer you up SG!
[15:16] <KimmyBlair> that's happy!
[15:16] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Skip
[15:16] * danae24 gives out chocolate just like Lupin
[15:16] <SoonerGryffindor> yay for Snape
[15:16] <harryfreak359> lol
[15:16] <harryfreak359> whoo Snape!
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[15:16] <Skiplives> Woohoo Chocolate
[15:16] <harryfreak359> and chocolate!
[15:16] <MrMcGonagall> I almost thought of being Snape for Halloween, but I would have had to run out to get a greasy black wig.
[15:17] <Sofie> hehe
[15:17] <danae24> this are the 3 best things in the world......... Corner Booth chat, Snape talk and chocolate
[15:17] <SoonerGryffindor> okay guys we are getting started now
[15:17] <Sofie> i agree
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[15:18] <SoonerGryffindor> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat!
[15:18] <fawkes28> It's the John and Sue show, everybody! Melissa can't make it for this show, but don't worry, John and Sue can handle things on their own.
[15:18] <fawkes28> David Yates has said that they've shot probably over 3 hours of material, but will have to lose 45 minutes in the editing. Does this sound like good news or bad news for the fifth film?

[15:18] <KimmyBlair> well....
[15:18] <KimmyBlair> badnews?
[15:18] <Sofie> i dont think we should already start to panic...
[15:19] <MrMcGonagall> I would take all I can get, but I can understand the need to get it down to a more reasonable length.
[15:19] <Poet> I'm hoping he can't bring himself to cut that much.
[15:19] <Skiplives> neither, directors always shoot more than they need
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[15:19] <KimmyBlair> see because all along we've been hearing about all the stuff they have filmed... which we are really excited about
[15:19] <danae24> It's good......, because it means that 2 hours and 15 minutes are good!!! and since they havent finished filming, it's going to be a long picture!!!!
[15:19] <KimmyBlair> but being that the film is so long i'm afraid what will be cut
[15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> sounds like he might use this as an argument to have a longer film
[15:19] <fawkes28> i don't want them to cut out anything that i like
[15:19] <yellowpepper2311> howdy!
[15:19] <Sofie> and Kloves isnt around this time....
[15:19] <Sofie> hey erna!
[15:19] <Poet> Too true. I hate to see pictures for stuff and then it doen't show up in the film sad
[15:19] <danae24> Yes!!! no Kloves!
[15:19] <MrMcGonagall> Let's negotiate . . . we'll suggest a fifteen minute cut and then compromise at thirty minutes.
[15:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I mean, stuff like this has not been public before, so maybe they are hoping us fans will raise a fuss
[15:19] <fawkes28> so many things already have been cut...we don't need anymore sad
[15:19] <yellowpepper2311> *waves at sofie*
[15:20] <MrMcGonagall> I have a good feeling about Movie 5.
[15:20] <Sofie> i dont think the length of the film depends on Yates though
[15:20] <fawkes28> hello yellowpepper
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[15:20] <Skiplives> you'd be surprised how removing the pauses at the beginning and end of each scene saves
[15:20] <SoonerGryffindor> I guess even if they do end up cutting 45 minutes, at least we know it has been filmed and may get it in some form'
[15:20] <yellowpepper2311> hey fawkes
[15:20] <danae24> Usually, while you make a movie, you film more than you need, so, you end up with a lot of things that you wont be able to use.........
[15:20] <MrMcGonagall> Hooray for deleted scenes on DVD!
[15:20] <fawkes28> woo hoo!
[15:20] <danae24> Yes!!!
[15:20] <Sofie> id love to have a 3hours long movie
[15:21] <fawkes28> i could go for even longer, sofie
[15:21] <harryfreak359> I have a better feeling about the movie...but I am not sure about it yet
[15:21] <Skiplives> agreed, though many times you just see why the scene was deleted
[15:21] <MrMcGonagall> I've sat through considerably worse movies for three hours.
[15:21] <harryfreak359> I wish it was longer thougrh
[15:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I still think that maybe with this news leaking out so early, there's a good chance we could lobby for a longer movie
[15:21] <Sofie> titanic felt it was like 5 hours long
[15:21] <Skiplives> WB is making a mass market movie, so three hours is a no go for them
[15:21] <Poet> I agree when the director indicated that though the book is long, it distills down well.
[15:21] <Theoriser> I think it will be good whether they cut the extra 45 minutes or not, but you have to remember that usually things are cut for a reason, and the film may not be better with them in
[15:22] <yellowpepper2311> good point
[15:22] <KimmyBlair> good poitn theoriser
[15:22] <Sofie> but ppl will see it regardless of its length. it harry potter!
[15:22] <Poet> Many of the scenes are long due to Harry or others arguing or stuttering, etc
[15:22] <Skiplives> This is the kind of thing Terry Gilliam was talking about when he called the films "factory jobs"
[15:22] <fawkes28> Do you think that an extended DVD, with all the cut scenes included, is a possibility?
[15:22] <KimmyBlair> yes!
[15:22] <Sofie> i hope so
[15:22] <yellowpepper2311> yep
[15:22] <MrMcGonagall> Not all the cut scenes, but certainly some.
[15:22] <KimmyBlair> nything which makes money is a possibility
[15:22] <Skiplives> of course
[15:22] <SoonerGryffindor> This is so what I am hoping for in the long run
[15:22] <harryfreak359> I hope so!
[15:23] <Poet> I wish there was an option to see the scence within the movie. I doubt they'll release it any time soon though
[15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> I also hope they end up doing this with the first 4 movies
[15:23] <Poet> Perhaps when the movie are computer
[15:23] <fawkes28> me after all the movies are made
[15:23] <Theoriser> they might do this after the seventh film
[15:23] <fawkes28> *maybe
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[15:23] <Poet> *complete
[15:23] <Sofie> they should release them online.....[/daydream]
[15:23] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome ph
[15:23] <Skiplives> After the seventh I'm sure we'll see a collectors addition with more scenes and maybe even a commentary
[15:23] <ph63915> hi
[15:23] <KimmyBlair> that's what I think THeoriser...
[15:23] <fawkes28> that would be nice skip
[15:23] <Poet> I agree Skip
[15:23] <Sofie> Jo should do the commentary
[15:23] <KimmyBlair> sorta like what they did with the Lord Of the RIngs
[15:23] <Skiplives> one can hope
[15:23] <Skiplives> yes
[15:23] <Theoriser> yeah
[15:24] <fawkes28> i would love that, sofie
[15:24] <Poet> Sofie - I'd pay a lot of money for a Jo commentary
[15:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that would be a great idea
[15:24] <yellowpepper2311> hahaha that'd be awesome, sofie
[15:24] <MrMcGonagall> I completely understand why things need to be left out of a film for length, but I always expect fidelity to the meaning and mood of the text.
[15:24] <Skiplives> or maybe Criterion will get ahold of the rights (one can hope)
[15:24] <fawkes28> Have you seen the pictures of Harry and Arthur in the muggle clothing in London?
[15:24] <KimmyBlair> yes!
[15:24] <Sofie> they are awesome!
[15:24] <Skiplives> yes
[15:25] <KimmyBlair> Harry's hair looks WAY to neat...
[15:25] <KimmyBlair> to much gel
[15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the look they both have
[15:25] <yellowpepper2311> indeed
[15:25] <Poet> I loved their jackets
[15:25] <Sofie> i think they looks both ok
[15:25] <Sofie> cant type, sorry
[15:25] <MrMcGonagall> The hair is very different.
[15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> but in a way, I like the neatness of his hair because it shows that he is trying to look nice for his trial
[15:25] <SoonerGryffindor> I know its not canon
[15:25] * yellowpepper2311 congrats danae for winning the blog challenge
[15:25] <KimmyBlair> but the point of Harry is his hari CAN'T be neat...
[15:25] <Poet> They looked very conservative, but neat in appearance. That is something we've never seen with Harry before.
[15:26] <Skiplives> only because he doesn't let it get neat
[15:26] <KimmyBlair> granted i'm still upset that Hermione wore Pink to the Yule ball instead of blue...
[15:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I know Kimmy, but for some reason it looks cool
[15:26] <MrMcGonagall> True - it alwayss struck me in the book that he's at his trial in a t-shirt and jeans.
[15:26] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:26] <Skiplives> he would for Mrs. Weasley
[15:26] <Sofie> it seems like the hair is longer
[15:26] <fawkes28> it'll never be perfect but we always hope it will smile
[15:26] <Poet> Too true, despite Mrs. Weasley's attempts in the book, she was not able to get his hair to lie flat
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[15:26] <Theoriser> yes, I saw them!
[15:26] <Theoriser> lol
[15:26] <Theoriser> I remember in the book Mrs weasley trying to make his hair stay neat
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[15:26] <fawkes28> hello TAD
[15:26] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, aside from his hair, what did you think about his outfit?
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[15:26] <TheAzkabanDietitian> hello everyone
[15:26] <danae24> brb guys..........
[15:26] <Sofie> hey!
[15:26] <SoonerGryffindor> hey TAD
[15:26] <KimmyBlair> that's what i remeber Poet/theoriser
[15:27] <yellowpepper2311> hello!
[15:27] <Poet> Very unHarry like, which is kind of cool.
[15:27] <Sofie> yes
[15:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was interesting that they dressed him up so much
[15:27] <MrMcGonagall> Me, too, Sooner.
[15:27] <Poet> Right - where did they get such Muggle clothes?
[15:27] <Sofie> thank god he didnt wear a tie
[15:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I mean, where was he supposed to get the clothes from?
[15:27] <Poet> I agree Sofie, that would have been a bit much
[15:27] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I don't see the whole "Clark Kent" thing personally
[15:27] <Skiplives> Oh, a wide 1970s tie would have been perfect
[15:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I actually did TAD
[15:27] <KimmyBlair> i also wonder where Harry got the glothes...
[15:28] <Sofie> lol
[15:28] <yellowpepper2311> eew
[15:28] <Poet> It's the way the hair is combed so smooth and sleek
[15:28] <SoonerGryffindor> yes
[15:28] * Sofie doesnt like the superman movies
[15:28] <MrMcGonagall> Harry doesn't have a very extensive wardrobe in the books.
[15:28] <Poet> ...sweeping
[15:28] <SoonerGryffindor> that and the blazer gave him the look. And the glasses
[15:28] <KimmyBlair> it seems to me that Harry doesn't wear big enough clothes in the movies...
[15:28] <Poet> I see....the blazer does say 1970's a bit.
[15:28] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:28] <fawkes28> Rupert Grint has been in America promoting his new film, "Driving Lessons", and giving lots of video interviews. He's said that he is planning to come back for films six and seven. What do you think of this?
[15:29] <Sofie> maybe he got it from somebody
[15:29] <KimmyBlair> after re-reading the begining of GOF Harry talks abotu how big all of his clothers are... you never see that in the movies
[15:29] <MrMcGonagall> I hope they're all back.
[15:29] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I love Rupert! Good for him.
[15:29] <KimmyBlair> me too
[15:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I love it
[15:29] <Sofie> im sure they will be all back
[15:29] <yellowpepper2311> me too
[15:29] <Poet> He better be coming back.
[15:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that once you get to movie six out of severn, you might as well just finish it
[15:29] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Poet would track him down...
[15:29] <fawkes28> i am glad and it's nice that he has gotten a chance to do a different movie too
[15:29] <yellowpepper2311> they all have to come back ... otherwise I get grumpy ...
[15:29] <Poet> Maybe it's too hard to explain why if he had money, why he'd not buy new clothes.
[15:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the whole fandom would track him down
[15:29] <MrMcGonagall> With all the different directors we've had, I'd at least like some consistency in the films . . .
[15:29] <Sofie> money is not an option and they all like doing it, so i dont see why they shouldnt continue
[15:30] <Theoriser> hi TAD
[15:30] <Theoriser> lol
[15:30] <Theoriser> I'm glad he's willing to come back
[15:30] <Skiplives> Ron gets lovin' in book 6 and hopefully gets to do something useful in book 7 - of course he's coming back
[15:30] <KimmyBlair> i think it is important to have all the same actors for all 7 movies
[15:30] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Skip
[15:30] <MrMcGonagall> He's finally coming into own, Skip!
[15:30] <TheAzkabanDietitian> hi Theoriser... Questions, has Rupert decided that acting is going to be his major career from here on out... I haven't read or heard anything about this
[15:30] <fawkes28> i completely agree, kimmy
[15:31] <SoonerGryffindor> well, even little things like the trolley lady and the fat lady being different bug me, so they better come back!
[15:31] <fawkes28> it wouldnt be the same without any of the original trio
[15:31] <Sofie> they fandom will be after them if they didnt come back
[15:31] <MrMcGonagall> lol, Sooner!
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[15:31] <Poet> Alfie, who plays Dean Thomas has grown a lot. Hopefully one of the trio won't grow so tall that it's hard to shoot their scenes together.
[15:31] <fawkes28> hello islwyn
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[15:31] <MrMcGonagall> I was shocked to read that Dan Radcliffe is so short.
[15:31] <MrMcGonagall> 5'3"
[15:31] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Poet, but Harry is supposed to grow a lot before his 6th year, so if he does then I guess its okay
[15:31] <Theoriser> hehe he's still taller than me
[15:31] <Skiplives> all actors are short - except for very few
[15:32] <Poet> Dan is also the youngest of the three in real life as well.
[15:32] <Sofie> i care more about the fact that his eyes arent green...
[15:32] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Dan is stockier than how imagined Harry...hm...
[15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> no, Emma is the youngest
[15:32] <Poet> Oh?
[15:32] <SoonerGryffindor> yes
[15:32] <Theoriser> it doesn't matter so much to me their height
[15:32] <Sofie> emma is 16
[15:32] <KimmyBlair> Me either...
[15:32] <Skiplives> Actually I never pictured Harry as very tall - Ron is supposed to be bigger than teh twins
[15:32] <fawkes28> true, theoriser it is how they play the character
[15:32] <Theoriser> and I think dan and rupert will get taller anyway
[15:32] <fawkes28> New video for an old interview with JKR is now in Leaky's galleries. Has anybody watched it yet? What did you think of it?
[15:33] <SoonerGryffindor> me niether, but I guess what I am saying is that if one of them suddenly shoots up, its okay because that happened in canon
[15:33] <MrMcGonagall> I saw the original on TV, so I haven't looked it up.
[15:33] <Sofie> i havent watched it yet
[15:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I hve not watched it yet
[15:33] <Theoriser> I haven't watched it yet either
[15:33] <SoonerGryffindor> but I plan to
[15:33] <Skiplives> me too MrMcG
[15:33] <Poet> I haven't, though John's suggestion that at certain times of day you can see the notebooks better - sure did peak my interest smile
[15:33] <Sofie> lol
[15:33] <yellowpepper2311> haven't yet
[15:33] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:33] <KimmyBlair> YOU SHOULD! the galleries are spectacular
[15:33] <Skiplives> blatant plug
[15:33] <TheAzkabanDietitian> haven't seen it yet, i've been busy... and forgetful
[15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, the galleries rock!!!!
[15:34] <TheAzkabanDietitian> the galleries are so HUGE... i feel so small compared to them
[15:34] <yellowpepper2311> yep, the galleries rock *own experience*
[15:34] <Skiplives> I'm surprised he didn't claim that clicking on the ads opens a notebook
[15:34] <Theoriser> I love the video galleries biggrin
[15:34] <fawkes28> they do an awesome job - i could not do it
[15:34] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Skip
[15:34] <Poet> I love the galleries, though I haven't spent much time in the video section. I've seen a lot of the other sections.
[15:34] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I was just thinking today about all the encoding that goes into Leaky.... Whew!
[15:34] <Sofie> lol skip
[15:34] <Skiplives> not fun to think about TAD
[15:35] <Sofie> must be tiresome TAD
[15:35] <fawkes28> The fan interview was with forum member SillyPutty/Varza, and discussed arithmancy, a Greek form of divination by numbers. Hermione thinks divination is rubbish, but arithmancy is one of her favourite subjects.
[15:35] <MrMcGonagall> It's all a mystery to me.
[15:35] <fawkes28> Do you think that Hermione's preference of arithmancy over divination shows the reader more about her character?
[15:35] <yellowpepper2311> definitely
[15:35] <Skiplives> yes
[15:35] <Sofie> yep
[15:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I never knew all of that about before I listened to the fan interview
[15:35] <MrMcGonagall> I think there's something more definite and logical about arithmancy that appeals to Hermione.
[15:35] <KimmyBlair> she likes solid hard facts that you can see in 3-D
[15:35] <KimmyBlair> me either Sooner!
[15:35] <yellowpepper2311> she's the more logic type of character
[15:36] <KimmyBlair> I tried to get Varza in here because she has TONS of knowledge about that stuff...
[15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I like it that it fits her chaacter
[15:36] <KimmyBlair> but she had to work..
[15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> too bad Kimmy
[15:36] <Poet> She loves numbers for one. Each "problem" comes to a nice exact number. I can see why she'd like that.
[15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> that would have been cool
[15:36] <Sofie> i /me hates numbers
[15:36] <SoonerGryffindor> but don't you still have to interpret the data?
[15:36] <fawkes28> yes there is no mystery like divination
[15:36] <MrMcGonagall> Me, too, Sofie.
[15:36] <Theoriser> I like the line where she says divination is rubbish - arithmancy is much better, even though it is a branch of divination
[15:36] <yellowpepper2311> yeah, me too sofie
[15:37] <Skiplives> at some point looking for answers in just one source becomes a little "Foucault's Pendulum" to me
[15:37] <KimmyBlair> hah yeah i foudn that odd theoriser
[15:37] <Sofie> i never knew that arithmancy and nummerology were basically the same
[15:37] <TheAzkabanDietitian> My calculus teacher told me the other day that the math system used before our currect one was proven to be wrong.. and now we are just using a system that has yet to be disproven, so perhaps Arithmancy is different than regular mathemmatics? Perhaps the perfet system...
[15:37] <Poet> But I wonder why she'd put more stock in the meaning of certain numbers - since it's still a bit like divining info
[15:37] <MrMcGonagall> I think there is some mystery to it, but it's not as "wooly" as divination. Anyone can do Arithmancy if you work at it.
[15:37] <SoonerGryffindor> no idea, but it has given me something to think about
[15:37] <Poet> true MrMcGonagall
[15:37] <fawkes28> Harry and Neville both have the same destiny numer and character numbers. Do you think that Jo did this consciously?
[15:37] <Theoriser> yes, it's facts and figures, not theories, that's why she likes it
[15:37] <Sofie> i couldnt Mr M :P
[15:38] <Skiplives> If she didn't it does work out well for her
[15:38] <yellowpepper2311> dunno
[15:38] <Sofie> no idea
[15:38] <Theoriser> if she didn't, that's a nice coincidence
[15:38] <SoonerGryffindor> it makes me wonder now
[15:38] <TheAzkabanDietitian> what are those?
[15:38] <fawkes28> i don't know but i think it is very interesting
[15:38] <TheAzkabanDietitian> so sorry
[15:38] <KimmyBlair> I don't think she did... as we all know maths are not her strong suit
[15:38] <yellowpepper2311> but she's really good at stuff like that, so who knows ...
[15:38] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think that she was necessarily thinking in terms of arithmancy when she did it.
[15:38] <Theoriser> lol Kimmy
[15:38] <fawkes28> she very well may have figured that part out because of the prophecy and all
[15:38] * Sofie agrees with Jo....maths are evil
[15:38] <SoonerGryffindor> if it was an accident, then its a weird coincidence
[15:39] <Skiplives> especially the destiny number
[15:39] <KimmyBlair> i agree sooner
[15:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Jo gets her ideas fromm lots of different sources
[15:39] <fawkes28> Varza talks about how 3 and 4 are important numbers in numerology and mythology. How do you think this ties into the series (eg the trio, the Hogwarts houses)?
[15:39] <Theoriser> yeah, that's strange
[15:40] <MrMcGonagall> I think Jo drew on that knowledge in a general way.
[15:40] <Sofie> 3 tasks in book1 and 4
[15:40] <Theoriser> three and four seem to be the most important numbers in Jo's universe
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[15:40] <Skiplives> Three is a number that has all kinds symbolic touch points
[15:40] <Islwyn13> Hey, all smile
[15:40] <Poet> Like Varza pointed out, these are important numbers in world history and mythology
[15:40] <MrMcGonagall> I really wonder about that book on Jo's shelf on her website with the magical critters and numerology.
[15:40] <KimmyBlair> Hey Islwyn!
[15:40] <Sofie> hey Isl!
[15:40] <yellowpepper2311> 3 + 4 = 7
[15:40] <Theoriser> they can add to make 7 and times to make 12
[15:41] <Skiplives> Hi Islwyn
[15:41] <Sofie> well done erna!
[15:41] <Poet> Jo loves to draw upon little pieces of the world histories and myths and make them her own
[15:41] <yellowpepper2311> te-he-he
[15:41] <fawkes28> i like the number 4 and how it relates to balance
[15:41] <Islwyn13> *huggles to all*
[15:41] <fawkes28> hello islwyn
[15:41] <Islwyn13> I've always thought that was interesting, 4 relating to balance...
[15:41] <TheAzkabanDietitian> yellowpepper obviously has a knack for arithmancy...lol
[15:41] <Sofie> :P
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[15:41] <Islwyn13> I kind of thought 3 should be a balance number
[15:41] <Skiplives> remember that until 200 years ago or so engineering was magic
[15:41] <Theoriser> yeah, makes me think of the balance of the hogwarts houses
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[15:42] <yellowpepper2311> nononono, TAD
[15:42] <TheAzkabanDietitian> :P
[15:42] <yellowpepper2311> laugh
[15:42] <KimmyBlair> hahah engineering is still magic to me!
[15:42] <Islwyn13> that's interesting, though, too...
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[15:42] <KimmyBlair> (says kimmy the engineer)
[15:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Jo uses a lot of different sources of inspiration to write. Mythology, numerology, alchemy
[15:42] <Skiplives> 3 is balanced, but 4 is solidity
[15:42] <Islwyn13> the houses don't seem to be really in balance...Slytherin throws it off
[15:42] <fawkes28> i wonder if jo does all of these numbers on purpose
[15:42] <Islwyn13> Oh, I agree, Sooner
[15:42] <Islwyn13> that would be so amazing if she did, fawkes
[15:43] <Poet> We all know how much Jo likes to use certain numbers. I'm glad Hermione is studying arthimency. I'm hoping that she'll be able to use what ever number skills she has to help in the horcrux hunt.
[15:43] <Islwyn13> but just as amazing, I think, if she didn't
[15:43] <MrMcGonagall> She really has a thing for prime numbers in the series.
[15:43] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Has Jo admitted that she uses Alchemy's history, etc. for the books, other than the SS?
[15:43] <fawkes28> true, jo is a smart cookie
[15:43] <SoonerGryffindor> so while I think it is good to look into, its probably not good to base what we think the outcome might be or something based off of just one thing
[15:43] <Islwyn13> not that I know of, TAD
[15:43] <Islwyn13> something else to ask her after book 7 comes out! smile
[15:43] <fawkes28> yes!
[15:43] <Theoriser> I agree sooner
[15:44] <Theoriser> it's interesting to look at but the root of the whole series probably isn't in there
[15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> but I have to admit that the intervew was very fascnating
[15:44] <Islwyn13> it's interesting, though, that many of those possible sources lead us to the same conclusoins
[15:44] <MrMcGonagall> I just don't think that she bases major plot points on obscure knowledge.
[15:44] <fawkes28> Ginny is connected to the number four, representing stability, balance and equality. Do you think this applies to her?
[15:44] <Islwyn13> I'm trying to think of an example, but I'm drawing ablank smile
[15:44] <Islwyn13> absolutely!
[15:44] <yellowpepper2311> yeah
[15:44] <Skiplives> she is Harry's rock?
[15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its interesting that she could be the fourth of the trio
[15:44] <SoonerGryffindor> if that makes any sense
[15:44] <fawkes28> i think does and i wonder if it foreshadows her role in balancing the trio from 3 to 4
[15:44] <TheAzkabanDietitian> no, but the whole King Severus and King Albus (?) makes you wonder MrM...
[15:45] <Islwyn13> that's true, the trio is balanced, but Harry still needs Ginny to ground him
[15:45] <KimmyBlair> yes!
[15:45] <Islwyn13> so she adds to it
[15:45] <ph63915> shes not the fourth Weasley though
[15:45] <Poet> Makes it more stable - I like that
[15:45] <Skiplives> no 7th
[15:45] <Islwyn13> true, she's the seventh smile
[15:45] <Skiplives> magic number 7
[15:45] <Islwyn13> oh, Skip got to it first! smile
[15:45] <SoonerGryffindor> so a table with 4 legs is sturdier than a table with 3 legs
[15:45] <fawkes28> nice, sooner
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[15:45] <Islwyn13> but wouldn't a triangular table be just as stable with 3?
[15:46] <Islwyn13> I just mean that 3 is a fairly balanced number, too
[15:46] <Skiplives> and a cube is stable and unchanging no matter which plane you rest it on
[15:46] <fawkes28> it depends on the table then
[15:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I still think Ginny is a better addition
[15:46] <Islwyn13> agreed
[15:46] <ph63915> a four legged table will only touch on three of the legs
[15:46] <Islwyn13> ?
[15:46] <fawkes28> i think ginny would only make it better
[15:46] <Islwyn13> Hermione is Harrys
[15:46] <SoonerGryffindor> and I do think it interesting that her number does reflect on her character
[15:46] <Islwyn13> sorry, Harry's logic...
[15:46] <SoonerGryffindor> again..... if this is coincidence it is weird
[15:46] <Islwyn13> Ron is his emotional support?
[15:46] <Poet> As for equality, we often see her standing up for the idea that girls can do things just as well as boys. She's not afraid to be tough, which is good for Harry.
[15:46] <Islwyn13> and Ginny is his ancor
[15:47] <Islwyn13> does that work?
[15:47] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I like that ph63915....
[15:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that Islwyn
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[15:47] <fawkes28> Snape's character number is 2, representing balance, two-way communication and conflict. Do you think that this describes him well?
[15:47] <ph63915> its true...sorry more engineering comment
[15:47] <Islwyn13> thanks smile
[15:47] <Islwyn13> I'm confused about the balance part
[15:47] <Islwyn13> he seems rather imbalanced a lot of the time
[15:48] <yellowpepper2311> yeah, right isl
[15:48] <MrMcGonagall> It absolutely does not represent him.
[15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I almost fell out of my chair when I heard this
[15:48] <Islwyn13> communication, surely...he's either passing info of DD to LV, or theother way around
[15:48] <Poet> He does a very sneaky job of keeping both the Order and DE semi-happy at the same time
[15:48] <Skiplives> two points define a line - that typw of balance
[15:48] <Islwyn13> (I think it's the other way around)
[15:48] <TheAzkabanDietitian> It certainly sounds like him
[15:48] <Islwyn13> but 2 is definitely more of a conflict number, to me
[15:48] <ph63915> certainly plenty of conflict around
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[15:48] <Poet> He certainly has a duality to him.
[15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> but the 2-way communication... hinting that he is a spy?
[15:48] <fawkes28> lol and snape is definitely not a strait line
[15:48] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome anna
[15:48] <Poet> Hi anna
[15:48] <Theoriser> that's a little scary
[15:48] <fawkes28> hello anna
[15:48] <AnnaNoe> hii
[15:48] <TheAzkabanDietitian> hullo anna
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[15:48] <Theoriser> it seems to describe him so well
[15:48] <yellowpepper2311> hey anna
[15:48] <Theoriser> hi anna
[15:49] <Poet> Just talking about the fan interview
[15:49] <KimmyBlair> I LOVED that Snape stuff
[15:49] <TheAzkabanDietitian> and cbm
[15:49] <cbm> hi everyone!
[15:49] <fawkes28> how so, kimmy?
[15:49] <MrMcGonagall> What exactly does one mean by two-way communication? He certainly doesn't share much.
[15:49] <fawkes28> hi cbm
[15:49] <Poet> Hi cbm
[15:49] <yellowpepper2311> hey!
[15:49] <danae24> Ok, i'm back
[15:49] <KimmyBlair> I how his two numbers were just like him...
[15:49] <danae24> Hi cbm!
[15:49] <Theoriser> that could imply that he's a spy
[15:49] <yellowpepper2311> wb, danae
[15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I think is very balanced as long as the issue is not Harry Potter
[15:49] <fawkes28> we don't know what exactly snape is sharing with people now a days
[15:49] <ph63915> I think hes two faced!
[15:49] <KimmyBlair> one was the good guy snape.. and one the spy snape...
[15:49] <Islwyn13> two ends of a spectrum
[15:49] <Islwyn13> that sort of thing
[15:49] <Islwyn13> Heya, Anna smile
[15:49] <Islwyn13> Hey, anna and cbm smile
[15:49] <Islwyn13> not with us, but what did Snape share with DD
[15:49] <Islwyn13> or with LV, for that matter
[15:49] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Snape doesn't share much with the reader (Harry's POV), but I'm sure he does with the other characters
[15:49] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Kimmy
[15:49] <Poet> I agree MrMcG - he likes to hide a lot, but he seems to be able to see more than others
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[15:50] <Skiplives> with Snape you could argue the communication is between his own angel and devil
[15:50] <Islwyn13> I wonder if that idea does show that he's working for himself...maybe passing info in both directions
[15:50] <KimmyBlair> i find that the most amazing similarity between the arithmancy and Jo's characters
[15:50] <fawkes28> hello crookshankknows smile
[15:50] <KimmyBlair> that's what I think Islwyn
[15:50] <Islwyn13> whenever it works in his favor?
[15:50] <MrMcGonagall> I just see Snape as one who principally keeps his own counsel.
[15:50] <danae24> Yes, I have to agree on that Kimmy!
[15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> that's wjat I was trying to say Isl, but you said it much better than me
[15:50] <crookshanksknows> hello
[15:50] <Skiplives> hi
[15:50] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Snape seems to be the one to ensure his own survival imo
[15:50] <danae24> hi crookshanks!
[15:50] <SoonerGryffindor> hey crookshanks
[15:50] <Theoriser> hi crookshanks
[15:50] <fawkes28> i thought that interview was very interesting
[15:50] <Islwyn13> Hmm...I've always seen him as working for DD...now I have to think about it again smile
[15:50] <KimmyBlair> if Jo has used arithmancy in the writing of her story I would take that as indication he is out ofnly for himself
[15:50] <TheAzkabanDietitian> hello crookshanksknows
[15:50] <Islwyn13> heya, crookshanks smile
[15:51] <Islwyn13> also the fact that his otehr two numbers are 1's
[15:51] <danae24> brb again......... I'm going to eat lunch!
[15:51] <Poet> Yes!
[15:51] <Islwyn13> a very lonely, self-serving number
[15:51] <crookshanksknows> Is this the Snape debate?
[15:51] * TheAzkabanDietitian wonders if the real Crookshanks has a number
[15:51] <Theoriser> yes, that fits his character so well
[15:51] <Islwyn13> yep, sort of smile
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[15:51] <Poet> Talking about the fan interview
[15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> so do you guys think these are all coincidences, she used this mor than we think, or we are just interpreting the data to fit what we want?
[15:51] <KimmyBlair> hahah one of the many snape debates
[15:51] <Poet> A bit of both Sooner
[15:51] <Theoriser> kind of, we're discussing numerology from the fan interview in PotterCast
[15:51] <Islwyn13> oh, good point, sooner...
[15:51] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I think it's coincidence
[15:51] <MrMcGonagall> I think a little of both, Sooner.
[15:51] <fawkes28> i think we enjoy digging through all this stuff smile
[15:51] <AnnaNoe> i have to go, bye everyone!
[15:51] <Islwyn13> only way to know is if we can make some predictions about book 7, and we turn out to be right
[15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[15:51] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Anna
[15:51] <KimmyBlair> Hmm...
[15:52] <Islwyn13> later, anna smile
[15:52] <ph63915> I'm not convinved by it, dumb luck i reckon
[15:52] <KimmyBlair> i wish i knew the answer to that Sooner...
[15:52] <Islwyn13> very, very lucky, though
[15:52] <KimmyBlair> there is an AWFUL LOT of coincidence
[15:52] <Islwyn13> lots of coincidences
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[15:52] <ph63915> convinced
[15:52] <Islwyn13> I don't believe in lots of coincidences...
[15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Kimmy
[15:52] <Poet> Arthimency is just one little part of the stories, but it's fun to explore each part of mythology that she incorporates, even if it only just minorly influences the story
[15:52] <Islwyn13> I see a pattern
[15:52] <TheAzkabanDietitian> where>
[15:52] <Islwyn13> esp with alchemy, but we won't get into that here ;)
[15:52] <fawkes28> Do you think that the numbers could help you understand the characters and their place in the story more?
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[15:52] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Isl
[15:52] <MrMcGonagall> I have an aversion to seeing life as too mathematical, I guess.
[15:52] <KimmyBlair> ohhh... that is quite possible fawkes
[15:52] <Islwyn13> some, yeah, I think they tell us about the characgters...
[15:52] <KimmyBlair> i never thought of it like that before
[15:53] <Theoriser> I'm not sure on this one
[15:53] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I think we're doing fine without the numerology
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[15:53] <Islwyn13> but Sooner makes a good point...perhaps we take what fits and apply that
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[15:53] <crookshanksknows> i like that idea fawkes
[15:53] <Skiplives> back
[15:53] <MrMcGonagall> I think Poet makes a good point.
[15:53] <Poet> A little, I think Fawkes, but not tons - in my opinion. It's a bit like knowing their b-days and looking at their signs.
[15:53] <Theoriser> Snape's numbers seem to, as well as harry and neville, but that still might be coincidences
[15:53] <Islwyn13> yeah, poet, it's a lot like that
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[15:54] <Poet> For instance Snape being born in January - and Janus being the god of doors - a face pointing each direction
[15:54] <Islwyn13> but with a few more variables than just hte twelve zodiacs
[15:54] <Islwyn13> since there are at least 3 numbers to describe people
[15:54] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that we just have to consider it part of the whole more than likely
[15:54] <Islwyn13> OH, that's good, poet!
[15:54] <Islwyn13> I didn't know that smile
[15:54] <Skiplives> Snape is a very conflicted person
[15:54] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Sooner.
[15:55] <Islwyn13> yeah, Skip, so in that way, the 2 fits...
[15:55] <KimmyBlair> i agree with that Ski!
[15:55] <Islwyn13> it's just hard to see him as a balancing type character...
[15:55] <Islwyn13> unless he'll tip the balance...
[15:55] <Islwyn13> hmm...
[15:55] <Skiplives> well he is ballanced between DD and LV
[15:55] <crookshanksknows> does anyone think that snape is simply in it for himself? not sure how the numbers fit there
[15:55] <Islwyn13> be there just when Harry needs him?
[15:55] <Poet> I think he ... yes Skip
[15:55] <Theoriser> yes, that's what
[15:55] <Islwyn13> I'm not even sure that position was veyr balanced, Skip...
[15:55] <Islwyn13> but perhaps
[15:55] <Theoriser> *that's what I took it to mean
[15:56] <cbm> I do, I think he wants to be on the winning side
[15:56] <Islwyn13> that would make him a bit like Pettigrew, wouldn't it?
[15:56] <cbm> Exactly
[15:56] <Islwyn13> picking the storngest side to support?
[15:56] <cbm> yes
[15:56] <Islwyn13> I don't think he'll waffle that easily
[15:56] <Poet> Snape is more patient though.
[15:56] <Islwyn13> I think he's made a choice...
[15:56] <KimmyBlair> yeah i dont' see him as a waffler
[15:56] <KimmyBlair> he's to strong for that
[15:56] <MrMcGonagall> jo does place a certain importance on the magical qualities and symbolism of numbers, but I don't think it's the key to the series.
[15:56] <Islwyn13> I hope it's for Harry's side
[15:56] <crookshanksknows> I think he intends to end up on top...of even Voldy
[15:56] <Islwyn13> yeah, Kimmy, that's what I think, too
[15:56] <SoonerGryffindor> it would be interestoing to see what his nubmers are
[15:57] <Islwyn13> he has faith in himself, something Pettigrew never seemed to have
[15:57] <KimmyBlair> yeah
[15:57] <fawkes28> Did you know much about numerology before this fan interview?
[15:57] <KimmyBlair> pettigrew just wants to live
[15:57] <KimmyBlair> snape wants to make an impact
[15:57] <Islwyn13> only a little
[15:57] <KimmyBlair> nothing!
[15:57] <MrMcGonagall> A little, yes.
[15:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I did not know anything
[15:57] <Theoriser> nope, almost nothing
[15:57] <fawkes28> i didnt really know anything
[15:57] <Theoriser> I knew there were numbers for different letters but that's it
[15:57] <SoonerGryffindor> except for the fact that it existed
[15:57] <crookshanksknows> little
[15:57] <TheAzkabanDietitian> a little
[15:57] <ph63915> With Voldys ego he'd want to be the number 1 else he'll throw a wobbly
[15:57] <Poet> I knew how to get numbers, but didn't know what any of them meant
[15:58] <Islwyn13> numerology plays heavily into the Tarot...something else Jo seems to have at least a cursory knowledge of
[15:58] <KimmyBlair> (pst... if you want to learn more go check out Scribby.... rumor is there are great essays there... ibelieve by witherwhings... but i could be wrong)
[15:58] * cbm oops had to go do work
[15:58] <fawkes28> i bet sillyputty got people to buy some numerology books now smile
[15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I think you are right Kimmy
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[15:58] <KimmyBlair> haha i know she got me to Fawkes!
[15:58] <SoonerGryffindor> it has given me something else to consider and to think about
[15:58] <KimmyBlair> if someone wrote an numerology in harry Potter book i know I would read it!
[15:58] <Islwyn13> absolutely!
[15:59] <Islwyn13> there must be one out there somewhere!
[15:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I so wish we knew for sure what kinds of things that Jo used in her research
[15:59] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think anything could convince me to read a book about numbers! Haha!
[15:59] <Islwyn13> If Harry Potter can run GE, there must be an HP numerology book out there!
[15:59] <KimmyBlair> i really think there is a lot to learn about the series from arithmancy... wheter intentional or not
[15:59] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M
[15:59] <Islwyn13> agreed, Sooner
[15:59] <Islwyn13> that would b efascinating!
[15:59] <Islwyn13> I agree, Kimmy
[15:59] <Poet> I don't bother much with the Zodiac or with using numbers for exploring personalities in the real world, but I find Jo's use of certain numbers facinating when it comes to the series
[16:00] <MrMcGonagall> true, Poet.
[16:00] <fawkes28> This week's conundrum was about whether Trelawney is or isn't a fraud. First of all, do you think that Professor Trelawney was right about the grim in book three, like Sue does?
[16:00] <Theoriser> I agree poet
[16:00] <Islwyn13> Oh, I love this one!
[16:00] <Skiplives> yes
[16:00] <Islwyn13> yes, I think she saw a dog...and misinterpreted it to be a grim
[16:00] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Yes!
[16:00] <MrMcGonagall> I'm just not sure. On the whole, I'd say no.
[16:00] <fawkes28> i think she is right
[16:00] <crookshanksknows> yes
[16:00] <ph63915> yes
[16:00] <KimmyBlair> I agree Islwyn
[16:00] <Islwyn13> I agree with Guru...she "sees" but doesn't know how to "interpret"
[16:00] <KimmyBlair> exactly
[16:00] <KimmyBlair> Guru hit it right on the head
[16:01] <Islwyn13> yep
[16:01] <Theoriser> although, I have a theory that she kept seeing the grim because it was for her, not harry
[16:01] <KimmyBlair> ohhhhh
[16:01] <TheAzkabanDietitian> uh oh
[16:01] <Islwyn13> oh, in

[16:01] <Islwyn13> oh, interesting!
[16:01] <fawkes28> that's interesting, theoriser
[16:01] <Poet> I think she indeed saw a dog shape, but just assumed it meant something it did not. And I think she may have kept trying to see the Grim even when it wasn't there.
[16:01] <Islwyn13> But I still think she was seeing Sirius
[16:01] <Islwyn13> that's true, too, POet
[16:01] <crookshanksknows> so do I islwyn
[16:01] <MrMcGonagall> Personally, I think tesomancy, crystal-gazing, palmistry and the lot are just a bunch of parolor tricks that will never show you anything.
[16:01] <Skiplives> I think it is more that she does not have the self confidence to tell peolp ewhat she sees
[16:02] <cbm> I agree she was seening Sirius
[16:02] * Islwyn13 decided not to comment on the validity of divination ;)
[16:02] <fawkes28> lol
[16:02] * SoonerGryffindor agrees with Mr M, but it might end up differenty in a work of fiction
[16:02] <Islwyn13> it could partly be confidenct not to tell people...
[16:02] <Theoriser> I agree MrM
[16:02] <Islwyn13> but I think she doesn't know what she's seeing, and is afraid of it
[16:02] <MrMcGonagall> Even Firenze is critical of such methods of divination.
[16:02] <Theoriser> it's just in the books that I think they may have some meaning
[16:02] <ph63915> i think her problem is her credibility, she makes too much stuff up so when she makes proper predictions they are missed
[16:02] <Skiplives> I like the idea of her as a Cassandra-type
[16:02] <cbm> As a seer, she is like a 300 hitter in baseball, that is a great average for a baseball player, but rotten for a seer
[16:02] <Islwyn13> imagine getting all these glimpses, some that seem to bode ill, but not really be able to figure anything out
[16:02] <Islwyn13> it would be frightening
[16:02] <Poet> A plot device, like Guru said
[16:03] <Poet> or Sue
[16:03] <Islwyn13> yes, well, Centaurs are very prideful, arent' they? even Firenze
[16:03] <MrMcGonagall> He doesn't sound proud when he says it - it's more matter-of-fact.
[16:03] <Islwyn13> and I think she describes what she see dramatically for effect
[16:03] <fawkes28> she is in such a tough field..it's all grey...no black and white
[16:03] <Islwyn13> true, but he was taught that, all his life...
[16:03] <Islwyn13> that humans were foolish, esp when it came to divination
[16:03] <MrMcGonagall> humans are foolish.
[16:04] <Islwyn13> I love grey...far more interesting smile
[16:04] <fawkes28> me too, isl
[16:04] <Islwyn13> true, in many ways, humans are foolish...
[16:04] <Islwyn13> but so are the Centaurs, sometimjes...look at Bane
[16:04] <Skiplives> I like how knowing the prophesy is no help because it is all so vague
[16:04] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, I have to admit that I take a very Hermione/McGonagall-ish approach toward Divination.
[16:04] <Islwyn13> yeah, I think that's what scares Trelawney
[16:04] <fawkes28> Does she accidentally get predictions right sometimes, without meaning to?
[16:05] <Theoriser> I think so
[16:05] <Skiplives> because she just sayswhat she sees
[16:05] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she does
[16:05] <Islwyn13> what, by thinking she's faking it, only she's right>?
[16:05] <KimmyBlair> I think she brushes off correct predictions because she doens't believe them
[16:05] <MrMcGonagall> Sometimes there are coincidences, but that's pure happenstance.
[16:05] <Islwyn13> hmm
[16:05] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I just think that she takes what she knows in account (such as Buckbeaks impending death) and then uses that to influence a "glance" at the outcome... she tells Harry he's wrong about this prediction after all, so... sometimes she's right, sometimes she's not
[16:05] <crookshanksknows> I dont think she even knows she ever got anything right
[16:05] <Skiplives> the problem is she adds her own filter to everything
[16:05] <Poet> When she doesn't second guess herself or when she's not trying to do the whole "mystic" impression thing, I think yes.
[16:05] <SoonerGryffindor> but I think she misinterprets the data
[16:05] <KimmyBlair> if that makes sense
[16:05] <Islwyn13> well, she only brushes off the ones she can't remmeber
[16:05] <ph63915> i think she says what she thinks people want her to say
[16:05] <Theoriser> my view of trelawney is that she really wishes she was a seer, but thinks that she isn't, so she tries to pretend that she's genuine
[16:05] <KimmyBlair> well she brushes off the lighting struck tower prediction
[16:05] <TheAzkabanDietitian> skip makes a good point
[16:05] <Islwyn13> but I think she almost always bases that on some glimpse
[16:05] <Islwyn13> oh, that's true...the car
[16:05] <Skiplives> its one way to look at it
[16:06] <Islwyn13> card
[16:06] <SoonerGryffindor> well, if I made predictions on the weather every day, eventually I would be rifht
[16:06] <SoonerGryffindor> *right
[16:06] <Islwyn13> hehe
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[16:06] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I just thought she was drunk Kimmy... and that's why
[16:06] <Theoriser> lol sooner
[16:06] * MrMcGonagall agrees with Sooner.
[16:06] <crookshanksknows> I agree theoriser
[16:06] <Islwyn13> but she made several predictions in their first class in PoA...
[16:06] <fawkes28> right, sooner, she takes so many guesses some are bound to come true
[16:06] <Islwyn13> only she got them slightly wrong...
[16:06] <KimmyBlair> that's why she made it... or that's why she pused it off TAD?
[16:06] <NiGHTS> Wow .. 3 nights on the trot !
[16:06] <NiGHTS> Hiya everyone 8 )
[16:06] <cbm> Are her predictions better when drunk?
[16:06] <MrMcGonagall> In the PoA reading group, we had a theory that Trelawney predicts best when she's three sheets to the wind.
[16:06] <Skiplives> less filter
[16:06] <Islwyn13> lol, MrM...
[16:06] <fawkes28> i think she also gets things "right" because she is good at "reading" people like neville
[16:06] <Islwyn13> but she wasn't druink in PoA, that we saw
[16:07] <Islwyn13> was she?
[16:07] <KimmyBlair> i think beign drunk turns her filters off... so she allowes the true predictions in... and stops blocking them out
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[16:07] <SoonerGryffindor> it all depends on how you want to interpret it. Lavendar decided she was right with the rabbit predicion, but we all know what Hermione thought of that
[16:07] <KimmyBlair> and turns off her habit of makign them up
[16:07] <NiGHTS> I make many interesting predictions after a few bevvies !
[16:07] <SoonerGryffindor> and Hermione speaks for Jo
[16:07] <Poet> I agree Kimmy
[16:07] <fawkes28> hello ginnyous
[16:07] <Skiplives> she just lets what she sees flow out of her, without editing herself
[16:07] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I think she dismisses most of her predictions anyhow, so as to not bring attention to her wrongs... but why is she peddling with divination all the time is she thinks she is indeed wrong...?
[16:07] <Islwyn13> yes, but maybe Trelawney used the word "dread" because it was more dramatic
[16:07] <NiGHTS> What is the topic?
[16:07] <TheAzkabanDietitian> * I mean, not a seer at all
[16:07] <Islwyn13> something horrible did happen to Lavender the day Trelawney said it would
[16:07] <Ginnyous> Hi guy what are we discussing today
[16:07] <KimmyBlair> Trelawney... seer or fraud
[16:08] <cbm> I think whe made the rabbit prediction more dramatic
[16:08] <SoonerGryffindor> we are currently discussing the canon conundrums right now Gunny
[16:08] <Poet> PotterCast, the Canon Condrums section is being discussed right now.
[16:08] * TheAzkabanDietitian is undecided
[16:08] <Islwyn13> and someone did leave her class after EAster...
[16:08] <Islwyn13> yeah, that's what I think, cbm
[16:08] <cbm> Same with the someone leaving prediction
[16:08] <KimmyBlair> see i think she made the rabit up
[16:08] <Islwyn13> she was right, but she overdramatized it
[16:08] <MrMcGonagall> Vague predictions that can be fulfilled by any number of circumstances . . .
[16:08] <KimmyBlair> and someone deciding to leave
[16:08] <Ginnyous> I think she's a bit of both
[16:08] <Islwyn13> and sometimes she gets close, but not right on...
[16:08] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly, if you want the predicition to be accurate, then you will find a way to make it fit
[16:08] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Do you think she influences her predictions in anyway?
[16:08] <fawkes28> Is she only ever right about things when she makes a prophecy?
[16:08] <NiGHTS> I think JKR very deliberately portrays her as a fraud but has her come up with "just" enough incidental, correct-ish predictions to make us always take note
[16:08] <Islwyn13> such as assuming Harry was born in midwinter
[16:08] <KimmyBlair> No....
[16:08] <Islwyn13> I think she was seeing snape or LV then
[16:08] <crookshanksknows> I am rethinking...perhaps she does believe she's a seer, but is buying into people's jabs and judgement and drinks her gift away
[16:09] <Islwyn13> no, I think she's right more of the time than that
[16:09] <Ginnyous> I don't think you could influence predictions
[16:09] <crookshanksknows> perhaps her thoughts are clouded and she needs to sober up
[16:09] <SoonerGryffindor> when she makes a geniune prophecy, it seems she is right
[16:09] <NiGHTS> Do we think LV is going to find out the rets of the prediction?
[16:09] <Skiplives> it's hard to tell, because we only know when she's right
[16:09] <fawkes28> i agree, crookshanks
[16:09] <MrMcGonagall> One should also point out that no one remembers predictions that don't come true. We just point at the ones that do and say, "Oh, look!"
[16:09] <SoonerGryffindor> but we dont know if she made a hundred of them by herself that didnt come true
[16:09] <NiGHTS> rest*
[16:09] <Islwyn13> maybe she's not as good a seer as Cassandra, so she tried to magnify her gift with theatrics
[16:09] <TheAzkabanDietitian> aww... that's sad crookshanks
[16:09] <cbm> So in the first class, she was right on Rabbit and Hermione, and wrong on the grim
[16:09] <Poet> Too true MrMcGonagall
[16:09] <Ginnyous> I think he will
[16:09] <KimmyBlair> i think that is it exactly Islwyen
[16:09] <Islwyn13> which ones has she gotten wrong, though?
[16:09] <SoonerGryffindor> well, we dont know, and that is the problem
[16:09] <MrMcGonagall> I can't count that high, Islwyn.
[16:10] <Islwyn13> no, she saw the Grim, but misinterpreted it
[16:10] <KimmyBlair> harry dying...
[16:10] <NiGHTS> I do wonder if she has one more good prediction in her yet ...
[16:10] <cbm> The grim for Harry
[16:10] <fawkes28> the things that people say to you can really bring you down
[16:10] <cbm> was wrong
[16:10] <Islwyn13> her seeing isn't what's wrong, it's her ability to figure out what it means
[16:10] <ph63915> the movies tend to portray her predictions as coming from another person/voice, artistic licence or do you imagine it that way?
[16:10] <fawkes28> she doesn't have a lot of self-confidence
[16:10] <Skiplives> agreed
[16:10] <SoonerGryffindor> for all we know, she could be spouting off prophecies left and right all by herself in her tower, but no one hears them
[16:10] <Ginnyous> I think the ones that she preftends shes having in class
[16:10] <Islwyn13> Yeah, and Sirius was concerned for Harry, very much related to Harry
[16:10] <MrMcGonagall> Most of her predictions are simply too vague.
[16:10] <Islwyn13> but she thought what she was "seeing" was the Grim, not an animagus
[16:10] <NiGHTS> nah, I don't think the movies have quite caught her, ph
[16:10] <Poet> But often the thinks she predicts, though they don't predict things correctly, they make the students (and us readers ) pay more attention for upcoming things in the books - we anticipate, and that's fun.
[16:10] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Can you be good at divination without a "gift" ...?
[16:11] <fawkes28> good question
[16:11] <danae24> if you are a fraud
[16:11] <Ginnyous> bucause the realones she doesent seem to be councious for
[16:11] * Islwyn13 abstains...
[16:11] * cbm need to go do some more work sad brb
[16:11] <SoonerGryffindor> true, it is great fun to look at them and see what might come true and what might not
[16:11] <Islwyn13> do you mean in the real world, or in the HP world?
[16:11] <MrMcGonagall> True seeing requires "the gift," I think.
[16:11] <NiGHTS> Do you not all think that there are lots of intruiging clues from her though ... "The Lighning Struck Tower" ect, ect.
[16:11] <TheAzkabanDietitian> either i suppose
[16:11] <fawkes28> i dont think you would be great at it because you can't "study" for it like hermione learned
[16:11] <Ginnyous> in the HP world
[16:11] <Islwyn13> actually, in both, I'd have to say you need a gift...
[16:11] <SoonerGryffindor> I mean, the one about Harry having 12 kids and being MoM........ it kinda opposes all the times she saw his death
[16:11] <TheAzkabanDietitian> you could say that there are divinators in the real world that do make accurate and correct predictions more often than not...
[16:11] <Islwyn13> though it's interesting to wonder whether Harry and Ron have it...given their made-up predictions in GoF smile'
[16:12] <Ginnyous> well your right in htat one
[16:12] <fawkes28> i think she is hoping one of those will be right, sooner smile
[16:12] <Poet> TAB, I agree with Steve Vander Ark who said ( I believe) that everyone in the magical world must have a tiny bit of ability to take things like tea leaves or planet charts and be able to do some correct interpretation
[16:12] <NiGHTS> lol@Harry & Ron's predictions
[16:12] <danae24> I think Trelawney does do the same many divinator in the real world do....... take all the info out of you, then tell you what you want to hear.........
[16:12] <KimmyBlair> hahah I hapen to know a RG group that may be discussing that Islwyn!
[16:12] <Islwyn13> really, which one? ;)
[16:12] <SoonerGryffindor> so either way, she can say she was right, and everyone will forget that she was also wrong
[16:12] <MrMcGonagall> I think true seeing is somehow linked to the subconscious, like dreams.
[16:12] <Skiplives> I think it is something anyone can do, though the "Great Predictions" seem to be only something those with the "gift" can do
[16:12] <fawkes28> exactly
[16:12] <NiGHTS> Harry certainly has had some "interesting" dreams ... I've wondered if there's more to them
[16:12] <Islwyn13> I need to read the books more carefully, but I think she's been right most of the time
[16:12] <Ginnyous> Well nice chat got to go have fun!
[16:12] <Islwyn13> she just doesn't get it
[16:12] <Poet> Cool idean MrMcGonagall
[16:13] <fawkes28> i think a true seer doesn't care about what people think
[16:13] <danae24> bye Ginnyous!
[16:13] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Ginny
[16:13] <fawkes28> Did Harry and Ron really get their made-up predictions right, or is it a coincidence that they seem to come true?
[16:13] <Poet> I agree NiGHTS , I do wonder about Harry's dreams
[16:13] <Theoriser> that's an interesting idea MrM
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[16:13] <danae24> I agree fawkes!
[16:13] <NiGHTS> Cya Ginny
[16:13] <KimmyBlair> I also wonder aout Harry's "Dreams"
[16:13] <Theoriser> I loved how they came true, it was so funny
[16:13] <SoonerGryffindor> these are funnier than Trelawneys
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[16:13] <danae24> it's a coincidence, because they were inventing those situations......
[16:13] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Firenze, though, does not seem to have a "gift", rather he has a gift for interpretation of the stars, which is more knowledge than supernatural to me...
[16:13] <Theoriser> but you could also argue that any prophecy will become true eventually, if you wait long enough
[16:13] <Skiplives> I think Ron may actually have the gift
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[16:14] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, TAD.
[16:14] <Poet> They just took things that might happen to them - the examples out of the book and randomly put them down. Funny, but all coincidence I think in that case.
[16:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I hope not Skip
[16:14] <SoonerGryffindor> but is that an example of making the results fit?
[16:14] <fawkes28> they were just having fun i think
[16:14] <MrMcGonagall> Firenze is also a lot humbler about centaur knowledge, recognizing that mistakes are easily made in interpretation.
[16:14] <Skiplives> well - it does seem that he gets more right when he doesn't think
[16:14] <NiGHTS> Right from word go, Harry has had some intruiging dreams ... like the eagle-owl winging it to the Malfoy mansion in book 1 and also the way he linked his nightmares with the hat telling him to go in Slyth ands how Snape was involved
[16:14] <TheAzkabanDietitian> True, MrM
[16:14] <Poet> TAD, you bring up an interesting point - interpretation, which Trewlaney is terrible at, but is very important.
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[16:15] <Islwyn13> blast!
[16:15] <Islwyn13> locked up on me ;)
[16:15] <fawkes28> glad you're back smile
[16:15] <Islwyn13> thanks smile
[16:15] <KimmyBlair> welcome bck!
[16:15] <NiGHTS> I've got shocking lag tonight, Islwyn
[16:15] <Islwyn13> and I was typing and typing, and nothing was happening!
[16:15] <Islwyn13> now I don't know what iI was typing!
[16:15] <TheAzkabanDietitian> i hate when that happens
[16:15] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, the booth is being very tempermental right now'
[16:15] <Skiplives> Snuffles is being irritable today
[16:16] <danae24> maybe Snuffles is a bit hungry
[16:16] <Islwyn13> give him some chicken!
[16:16] <fawkes28> Do you think Trelawney dismisses her predictions unless she wants them to be true?
[16:16] <NiGHTS> Hit the server with something heavy, sooner !!!!!!!!!!!
[16:16] <Skiplives> I think he needs a flea dip
[16:16] <Theoriser> !botsnack
[16:16] <NiGHTS> Yeah, I do fawkes ...
[16:16] <Islwyn13> I think she dismisses them if she can't make any sense out of them
[16:16] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat
[16:16] <NiGHTS> Like the lightning struck tower !!
[16:16] <Skiplives> Right
[16:16] <Islwyn13> or can't se how they can be true
[16:16] <crookshanksknows> I dont think she is really ever wrong...they are so vague
[16:16] <Poet> Yes, very much so I think.
[16:16] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Dismissing predictions... I would not be surprised...
[16:16] <Islwyn13> but she probably thought there was no way the school could be attacked, so dismissed it, I think
[16:16] <MrMcGonagall> I think she dismisses them if she didn't think she really made one!
[16:16] <crookshanksknows> I think she can rationalize anything
[16:17] <TheAzkabanDietitian> She likes things to be clearly dramatic
[16:17] <fawkes28> she probably thinks some of them are too silly
[16:17] <Skiplives> agreed
[16:17] <NiGHTS> She had Lighning Struck Tower card over and over again, & was saying "This can't be right"
[16:17] <Islwyn13> oh, yes, she's good at rationalizatoin
[16:17] <Islwyn13> agreed
[16:17] <Islwyn13> even for her, fawkes? LOL
[16:17] <MrMcGonagall> Such irony.
[16:17] <Skiplives> yes
[16:17] <fawkes28> lol yes
[16:17] <Islwyn13> she does say, "even I wouldn't think to claim that story"...
[16:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I htink the tarot cards was an excellent example of this
[16:17] <Skiplives> lol
[16:17] <Islwyn13> something to that affect, when Harry tells her what she told him about LV's servant
[16:17] <NiGHTS> HAve you whit with a hammer, sooner ... seems to be better now !
[16:17] <MrMcGonagall> The only things she gets right are the things she believes are wrong.
[16:17] <TheAzkabanDietitian> It would seem that some of her predictions are too big for her to handle... such as DD death
[16:17] <Islwyn13> so I think she's very aware that she makes some things up
[16:18] <fawkes28> i also think she was drinking a little bit much that evening
[16:18] <Skiplives> which may be why she was drinking so much
[16:18] <Islwyn13> true, skip
[16:18] <Islwyn13> if she had been making lots of readings, getting the same result, and didn't want to believe it
[16:18] <fawkes28> Do you think that every wizard has the ability to see into the future, but only a few are true Seers?
[16:18] <Islwyn13> back to the fear thing
[16:18] <ph63915> maybe she drinks when her predictions scare her
[16:18] <Skiplives> trying to hide the truth from herself
[16:18] <NiGHTS> Her "Even I wouldn't predict that" line seems to back that up, Islwyn
[16:18] <Islwyn13> I think only a few are true seers
[16:18] <crookshanksknows> possibly
[16:18] <MrMcGonagall> Well, I'm not really sure. They do seem to be a rare breed.
[16:19] <NiGHTS> Yeah ... I think they might all have a limited ability, fawkes ... prob only a few have it to any great degree, however
[16:19] <Islwyn13> I think divination is taught to see who has the gift,
[16:19] <crookshanksknows> perhaps it runs in families
[16:19] <Islwyn13> and to give the rest an appreciation for it
[16:19] <Islwyn13> and tehre are some aspects that anyone can do...
[16:19] <Islwyn13> arithmancy, for instance
[16:19] <MrMcGonagall> I think it is linked to magical ability.
[16:19] <Islwyn13> certain aspects of astrology
[16:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that maybe we cant know the answer to that with the info we have
[16:19] <Poet> I think every wizard has the ability to take certain signs and say what they usually mean, but to accurately predict future things specifically - no I think there are very few.
[16:20] <fawkes28> everyone has made some type of prediction in their life
[16:20] <crookshanksknows> I think it is easier for some to be in tune
[16:20] <ph63915> if they could all see into the future i think there'd be some gambling problems in the wizard world
[16:20] <Islwyn13> but is that luck, or "seeing" fawkes?
[16:20] <fawkes28> most people only get the little things right
[16:20] <Islwyn13> or jus ttaking the current evidence and extrapolating correctly
[16:20] <fawkes28> it's not seeing at all
[16:20] <NiGHTS> It may be that they are all capable to a limited degree, or can use certain magical devices/techniques to focus what they "do" have
[16:20] <fawkes28> it is just a lucky guess
[16:20] <Theoriser> I think they can all learn things like crystal gazing and palm reading, but I don't think they all have the ability to make "real" prophecies like Trelawney can
[16:20] <crookshanksknows> perhaps you can learn to listen,
[16:20] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, theoriser.
[16:20] <danae24> yes, exactly crookshanks!
[16:20] <Islwyn13> Oh, I don't thin kyou can really "learn" crystal gazing...
[16:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Jo really hasnt lett us in on everthing that the wizard gene encompasses
[16:21] <Islwyn13> true
[16:21] <SoonerGryffindor> so while I think its possible, I woulddnt bet on it
[16:21] <Skiplives> I think that there is "reading the signs" vs. "Big Prophesy". The first can be taught, not the latter
[16:21] <Poet> I agree as well Theoriser
[16:21] <NiGHTS> Look at the Hall Of Prophocies though ... there were hundreds and hundreds of them ... that adds up to an awful lot of active, talented seers in the wizarding world
[16:21] <danae24> That makes much more sense Skiplives!!!!
[16:21] <Islwyn13> maybe...
[16:21] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Skip
[16:21] <KimmyBlair> see I think that anyone can make a prophecy
[16:22] <Islwyn13> like John said, maybe those are over centuries
[16:22] <Islwyn13> not recent...
[16:22] <MrMcGonagall> But they could have been stored up over centuries in the Hall.
[16:22] <KimmyBlair> well an "official" prophecy
[16:22] <fawkes28> but we dont know if all the prophecies have come true?
[16:22] <Islwyn13> didn't DD say that they hadn't?
[16:22] <Skiplives> DD says they didn't
[16:22] <fawkes28> dumbledore even said that the prophecy was a choice
[16:22] <danae24> As Trelawney did say, not all wizards and witches have the gift............ so it's an uncommon ability
[16:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I can make a prophecy that I am gong to eat some pizza later, but that doesnt make me a seer'
[16:22] <Islwyn13> something like, "do you thin kall teh prophecies in teh Hall have come true?
[16:22] <NiGHTS> True, McG but I still think it makes for more seers than we yet appreciate the existence of
[16:22] <Skiplives> jiinx - you owe me a coke
[16:22] <fawkes28> it wouldnt have come true if voldemort didnt make it come true
[16:22] <ph63915> i woner how the prophecies all get into little glass balls
[16:22] <fawkes28> haha, sooner
[16:22] <Islwyn13> hehe
[16:22] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe other seers have been more prolific in their prophecies.
[16:22] <KimmyBlair> this is what i wonder
[16:22] <Theoriser> and like Steve said, they wouldn't bother teaching it as a subject if only some of the students could do it
[16:23] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M
[16:23] <KimmyBlair> what is the "delivery" procedure
[16:23] <danae24> maybe they appear like the portraits of the dead headmasters.....
[16:23] <NiGHTS> If we're handing coca cola out, I have some Bacardi 8 )
[16:23] <Skiplives> agreed
[16:23] <NiGHTS> (For those old enough !!!)
[16:23] <Islwyn13> well, again, some of it can be taught...
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[16:23] <fawkes28> Is Trelawney always correct, and just has trouble trying to get people to believe her?
[16:23] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, Kimmy, I think it's a magic bubble machine that records prophecies when they occur.
[16:23] <KimmyBlair> i would think tarrot cards can be taught
[16:23] <NiGHTS> No !!!
[16:23] <KimmyBlair> and palm reading
[16:23] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I don't think so
[16:23] <KimmyBlair> ahahahahah good call MrMcG!
[16:23] <TheAzkabanDietitian> comp died byw
[16:23] <danae24> Yes........ I think so.......
[16:23] <Skiplives> I don't think she usually believes herself
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[16:23] <Poet> hmm
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[16:24] <danae24> She even doubts herself
[16:24] <Islwyn13> ARGH!
[16:24] <cbm> No, she was wrong at the xmas dinner about 13 people
[16:24] <Islwyn13> no she wasn't
[16:24] <TheAzkabanDietitian> poor islwyn
[16:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think abyone can be always correct
[16:24] <Islwyn13> Scabbers was tehre, too
[16:24] <crookshanksknows> perhaps
[16:24] <Islwyn13> there were 13 at teh table when DD stood up
[16:24] <MrMcGonagall> Trelawney is seldom correct (and when she is, she's just lucky).
[16:24] <cbm> Unless Harry or ron die
[16:24] <SoonerGryffindor> actually cbm, Dumbledore got up
[16:24] <Theoriser> I don't agree with this either
[16:24] <KimmyBlair> im always correct!
[16:24] <KimmyBlair> oh wait...
[16:24] <cbm> I thought Harry got up
[16:24] <NiGHTS> I think Trelawney has a very "unfocussed" talent ... she often hits on partly correct clues and only has genuine "real" predictions very, very infrequently
[16:24] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Kimmy
[16:24] <Skiplives> Lol kimmy
[16:24] <ph63915> aha i wondered what lag was...now i know
[16:24] <Islwyn13> nope, when Trelawney entered teh room, dd stood up to welcome her
[16:24] <Islwyn13> and there were 12 people and one rat at the table when he did
[16:25] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Trelawney focuses too much on what people will think of her predictions I think
[16:25] <NiGHTS> Boo ! Hiss ! @ rat
[16:25] <Islwyn13> she was saying taht when she sat down, tehre would be 13 people, but she didn't realize Scabbers was there
[16:25] <cbm> Good one Islwin!!!
[16:25] <SoonerGryffindor> so does that mean that she was correct, or can we interpret the data to fit how we want it too
[16:25] <Islwyn13> Yeah, I think she was correct
[16:25] <Poet> Right Sooner
[16:25] <MrMcGonagall> I think she's desperate to get a little respect.
[16:25] <SoonerGryffindor> if we count sccabbers........
[16:25] <cbm> That is scary!!
[16:25] <Islwyn13> he's a person
[16:25] <Skiplives> He is
[16:25] <Islwyn13> in animagus form
[16:25] <Islwyn13> but still a person
[16:26] <SoonerGryffindor> so was she right?
[16:26] <danae24> and she could get respect if everyone knew about the LV/Harry prophecy, and that she made it..........
[16:26] <Islwyn13> yep
[16:26] <Skiplives> does that count?
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[16:26] <Islwyn13> it happened again in OotP
[16:26] <SoonerGryffindor> that's one of those things that is open to interpretation
[16:26] <fawkes28> Could Trelawney be a true Seer, and just be reading the signs in the wrong way?
[16:26] <NiGHTS> I think, sonner, that JKR makes a bit of a point with Trelawney ... she's a bit of an allegory for "real world" seers
[16:26] <Islwyn13> at one point, Sirius gets up, and there are 13 people there
[16:26] <fawkes28> hello stewie
[16:26] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I think personal interpretation comes in to confuse us over and over again no matter what
[16:26] <cbm> Yes
[16:26] <Islwyn13> yes, fawkes, that's what i think
[16:26] <Skiplives> She is a seer, but not a very good one
[16:26] <crookshanksknows> very good Sooner...
[16:26] <stewiegryf> hi all!
[16:26] <crookshanksknows> I mean fawkes
[16:26] <Skiplives> Hi Stewie
[16:26] <danae24> I think she is a true Seer, but doesnt really know about it......
[16:26] <Islwyn13> I always took that one to be one of her most diffinitive smile
[16:26] <Theoriser> I think she's a true seer, but she doesn't believe that she is, so tries to convince herself and others that she really is
[16:26] <Islwyn13> the table one smile
[16:26] <danae24> she is just buying her own lie
[16:26] <MrMcGonagall> Again, I just don't think her very genuine gift has anything to do with the parlor tricks she teaches in class.
[16:27] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Stewie
[16:27] <ph63915> shes a combination of seer and lame actress
[16:27] <danae24> Yes!
[16:27] <Islwyn13> agreed, ph
[16:27] <NiGHTS> Yeah, agreed, McG
[16:27] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I do believe in tarot cards though, and we haven't seen her use too much of those
[16:27] <danae24> lol ph smile
[16:27] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, too, ph.
[16:27] <Poet> I think she has more ability than most magical people. I think she reads the signs wrong because she's trying to please people or get them to believe her. Usually true seers are often not believed in their life time?
[16:27] <Islwyn13> true, TAD, me too
[16:27] <TheAzkabanDietitian> But again, interpretation
[16:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I honestly think that she lies sometimes to make herself seem a beter seer
[16:27] <KimmyBlair> exactly Poet
[16:27] <fawkes28> she cannot interpret
[16:27] <TheAzkabanDietitian> can be off
[16:27] <SoonerGryffindor> like she did with Umbridge
[16:27] <crookshanksknows> I agree poet
[16:27] <Islwyn13> yeah, that time was her lying, I agree.,..
[16:28] <MrMcGonagall> Trelawney is the character I love to hate. She's so goofy.
[16:28] <fawkes28> she got nervous with umbridge
[16:28] <KimmyBlair> by the way guys... don't forget to go vote in the Canon Conundrums poll over at pottercast
[16:28] <Islwyn13> and coincidence that later she got carried away by Centaurs ;)
[16:28] <TheAzkabanDietitian> she cannot interpret--a new slogan! so simple...
[16:28] <fawkes28> thanks kimmy smile
[16:28] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly Islwyn
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[16:28] <fawkes28> Steve thinks that there are so many different ways to read the signs divination gives you that it's almost impossible to actually get them right. Do you agree?
[16:28] <NiGHTS> DO you all think there is an dangerous situation, now, that an alcoholic, unstable Trelawney no longer likes her job and feels alientated AND no longer has DD convincing her to stay !!!???!!!
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[16:29] <Theoriser> this is what dumbledore says as well, so I think it's right
[16:29] <fawkes28> hello pam
[16:29] <SoonerGryffindor> that is not the discussion point here nights
[16:29] <PolythenePam> Hi
[16:29] <SoonerGryffindor> hi pam
[16:29] <Skiplives> I agree in that they are vague, and not necessarily easy to interpret
[16:29] <danae24> Not really......... because if you really know how to read the signs can get them right........ if you are inexperienced, you will obviously get it wrong
[16:29] <cbm> Yes
[16:29] <MrMcGonagall> I jsut don't see the future as being that determined.
[16:30] <NiGHTS> sorry ... thought it was a link ... i.e. can her talent be "invoked" if the circumstances are right ..
[16:30] <fawkes28> i think i true seer would be able to get them right
[16:30] * cbm back to work
[16:30] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Just looking at the Hanged Man card the other day, and there were so many different things that could be taken into account when trying to interpret it within the Potterverse... so I wouild have to agree
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[16:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I have said this already, but I just think that so much of this is open to interpretation that we really cant say
[16:30] <Islwyn13> I think you can be a true seer, and not get them right...
[16:30] <SoonerGryffindor> right
[16:31] <Islwyn13> that's what I think Trelawney is...she does see things, but she doesn't know what they are always
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[16:31] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Sometimes you don't want to be right...
[16:31] <Islwyn13> yes, Sooner, but isn't that why we're here? to interpret?
[16:31] <Islwyn13> to hazard a guess? smile
[16:31] <danae24> I think there must be witches or wizards whose jobs are interpreting the prophecies......
[16:31] <Islwyn13> how can they hear the prophecies?
[16:31] <Islwyn13> if they can't take them off the shelves?
[16:31] <TheAzkabanDietitian> they have very big brains danae, lol
[16:31] <danae24> I dont know.........
[16:31] <Skiplives> I like divination that way - It's like in the WOT books, where the entire series is known in prophesy, but nobody can understand it
[16:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Islwyn, and that is what makes it so much fun to talk about this topic
[16:32] <danae24> maybe the weird brains do it..........
[16:32] <Islwyn13> oh, good smile
[16:32] <Islwyn13> I thought you were saying there was no point...Im' sorry, never mind smile
[16:32] <TheAzkabanDietitian> ooooh, a theory in the mix
[16:32] * danae24 stops making odd theories........
[16:32] <crookshanksknows> then maybe ron would have some info
[16:32] <Islwyn13> WoT...Wheel of Time?
[16:32] <Skiplives> yes
[16:32] <Poet> I think Steve has a good point. Maybe that's why it's important for the students to learn the subject...the students can look at their own vague future. They probably don't realize something is coming true until moments before hand - maybe theycan use it to be more aware of immediate dangers.
[16:32] <Islwyn13> I love that series! Am rereading it now ;)
[16:33] <Islwyn13> sorry, off topic...
[16:33] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good comparison Skip
[16:33] <Skiplives> sorry - my bad
[16:33] <Islwyn13> no, not you, Skip, me smile
[16:33] <Islwyn13> that was a good comparison
[16:33] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, DD was prepared to eliminate Divination.
[16:33] <Skiplives> but that is exactly what I thought when I heard it
[16:33] <Islwyn13> was he going to eliminate it, or not instate it?
[16:33] <Skiplives> it really is of little use until after the event
[16:33] <Islwyn13> I was always confused by that/..
[16:34] <Islwyn13> not sure if they had a current teacher or not, am I misremembering?
[16:34] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Do you think he was using it just to find out if any real seers were attending school...? Why keep it for so long...
[16:34] <Islwyn13> to keep Trelawney protected
[16:34] <MrMcGonagall> Well, there was no one to fill the post, so it would have been dropped if he chose to discontinue having the subject taught.
[16:34] <TheAzkabanDietitian> well that I know, but I wonder if anything else
[16:34] <Islwyn13> to keep her at teh school
[16:34] <Islwyn13> oh, not sure
[16:34] <Islwyn13> hmm...
[16:34] <crookshanksknows> they didnt have it before her did they?
[16:34] <crookshanksknows> not for a while anyway
[16:34] <Islwyn13> yeah, I was just wondering if it was currently being taught at Hogwarts at teh time
[16:35] <Islwyn13> or if the position had been vacant for a while
[16:35] <fawkes28> Will we see much of Trelawney in book seven?
[16:35] <Theoriser> I think they had it before Trelawney
[16:35] <Islwyn13> yeah, crookshanks, that's what I was wondering
[16:35] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Other Headmasters might have appreciated the study more than others I suppose
[16:35] <MrMcGonagall> I think they probably did - the professor probably retired. DD uses the word "discontinue," I believe.
[16:35] <danae24> That is weird............. maybe it's not a big a subject in the wizarding world
[16:35] <Islwyn13> we'll see her, but I don't know if it'll be much
[16:35] <Theoriser> Dumbledore said he was unsure whether to continue the subject
[16:35] <Islwyn13> oh, ok, I didn't remember him using that word, ok
[16:35] <danae24> I dont think so.....
[16:35] <Poet> I think Trewlaney has mostly run her course. I think she was important to helping prepare us readers for certain events - a plot device.
[16:35] <stewiegryf> I think we will see her a bit, but not too much. She's done her work in the series already.
[16:35] <TheAzkabanDietitian> yes
[16:36] <ph63915> seers cant be commonplace else surely there would have been lots of them apply for the original job......unless they predicted they wouldnt get it
[16:36] <Islwyn13> but I think we'll need to see her to tie up that loose end
[16:36] <danae24> I think the prophecy got really well explained by DD
[16:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if she has another prediction up her sleeve
[16:36] <Islwyn13> to "close the book" so to speak
[16:36] <MrMcGonagall> I think we will, because I believe her life is in serious danger.
[16:36] <fawkes28> i think she has one more smile
[16:36] <Islwyn13> yeah, that's possible, MrM, but I still don't understand why
[16:36] <Skiplives> *agrees with McG
[16:36] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Another prophecy? I can barely handle the one she gave to DD....
[16:36] <Islwyn13> the only thing I can think is taht LV thinks the rest of the prophecy will tel lhim how to defeat Harry,
[16:36] <stewiegryf> What do you think her last one concerns fawkes?
[16:36] <Islwyn13> which, of course, it doesn't
[16:36] <crookshanksknows> one more sounds good...some sort of cliff hanger!!
[16:37] <Islwyn13> oo
[16:37] <danae24> The order will have to protect her........ to keep her away from LV
[16:37] <Islwyn13> that would beinteresting..
[16:37] <TheAzkabanDietitian> that would be terrible
[16:37] <Poet> Oh no.
[16:37] <Islwyn13> except she would leave us hanging forever, since she's not writing another book! smile
[16:37] <Skiplives> do they even know to keep her safe
[16:37] <danae24> that's why I think she was really at Hogwarts
[16:37] <crookshanksknows> Harry does
[16:37] <Islwyn13> oh, good point, Skip
[16:37] <fawkes28> i think perhaps something with the final battle
[16:37] <TheAzkabanDietitian> we would all be hanged (wo)men XD
[16:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I am now curious as well
[16:37] <MrMcGonagall> I think she's going to die, personally. Poor Trelawney.
[16:37] <Islwyn13> But he hasn't told anyone else about the prophecy...
[16:37] <fawkes28> something that will help harry
[16:37] <Islwyn13> will he now?
[16:38] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I certainly don't want her to be Crucio'd... now I'm worried
[16:38] <SoonerGryffindor> awww, that makes me sad Mr M
[16:38] <fawkes28> i think she might TAD if LV gets her
[16:38] <MrMcGonagall> Me, too, but those are the breaks.
[16:38] <crookshanksknows> Hermione will save her...
[16:38] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[16:38] <TheAzkabanDietitian> lol
[16:38] <Islwyn13> yeah, LV might kill her out of frustratoin, i fnothing else
[16:38] <Islwyn13> she doesn't have what he needs...
[16:38] <Skiplives> lol
[16:38] <Islwyn13> the key to destroying Harry
[16:38] <TheAzkabanDietitian> that would actually be interesting Crookshanks
[16:38] <ph63915> lv might imperio her and force her to make predictions
[16:38] <danae24> yeah, and Luna will get perfect NEWTS at year 6
[16:38] <MrMcGonagall> If I was Trelawney, I wouldn't put my life in Hermione's hands! smile
[16:39] <Islwyn13> I dont' think you can force predictions with Imperio
[16:39] <Skiplives> lol
[16:39] <Islwyn13> even she doesn't have control over it
[16:39] <crookshanksknows> Hermione has at least pity for her now after umbridge
[16:39] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder whether the memory of the prophecy is buried in her subconscious.
[16:39] <Islwyn13> yeah, Umbridge certainly shifted the scale, didn't seh? smile
[16:39] <TheAzkabanDietitian> How long will that last?
[16:39] <TheAzkabanDietitian> the pity that is
[16:39] <Islwyn13> yeah, I think it probably i9s, MrM
[16:40] <Islwyn13> but that still wouldn't help LV
[16:40] <ph63915> he may be able to imperio out the original phrophecy
[16:40] <Islwyn13> tha the may do, but how would that help him?
[16:40] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe she'll end up like poor Locky after LV finishes with her.
[16:40] <TheAzkabanDietitian> like a bubble popping out of her?
[16:40] <Islwyn13> LOL, TAD
[16:40] <MrMcGonagall> I think LV still would like to hear the whole prophecy.
[16:40] <fawkes28> Could Voldemort kidnap her to try to get information from her?
[16:40] <Islwyn13> so THAT'S how they get to teh MOM!
[16:40] <Poet> Definitely. I don't know if he'd be successful.
[16:40] <Islwyn13> yes, because he thinks it could help him...when he finds out what it says, though, he'll realize it doesn't help him at all
[16:41] <stewiegryf> I don't think that he could get much information from her, could he? She doesn't remember giving the prophecy at all.
[16:41] <danae24> YES!............. LV does want to really know what that prophecy did say
[16:41] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Poet. I think he believes he could, which puts her in danger.
[16:41] <Islwyn13> it could only have helped him if he heard the swhole thing, and realized he would be creating his nemisis...
[16:41] <fawkes28> i think he may try to get a prophecy out of her
[16:41] <Islwyn13> then he may have restrained himself...maybe...probalby not
[16:41] <MrMcGonagall> I do believe LV knows she's the one who made it, as well.
[16:41] <Skiplives> sure but she'd be so scared I doubt she would be any use whatsoever
[16:41] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Trelawney has no mental defenses though I would think... He could just take a cruise around her brain and thoughts and see that there's nothing there... Or is there?
[16:42] <Skiplives> TAD I think all he's get was sheer panic
[16:42] <Theoriser> It's a possibility, but I have a feeling she'd be a bit useless to Voldy
[16:42] <ph63915> alcohol may porve a good defence
[16:42] <ph63915> prove
[16:42] <Skiplives> and fear
[16:42] <MrMcGonagall> I think there could be, if it's in her subconscious, which is where I think true prophecies come from.
[16:42] <TheAzkabanDietitian> indeed
[16:42] <fawkes28> but i dont think her true prophecies are in her head
[16:42] <fawkes28> it just happens
[16:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I have a feeling she would lie to him out of fear, he would sense it an it would be very bad for her
[16:42] <MrMcGonagall> Trelawney has been systematically killing her nerve endings to prevent LV from getting access to her psyche!
[16:42] <stewiegryf> i agree fawkes...i don't think there's anything there for him to get.
[16:42] <crookshanksknows> i think she'll go into hiding...perhaps with the Giants
[16:42] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M
[16:42] <Skiplives> there you go - the truth at last
[16:43] <Poet> he he he ho ho
[16:43] <TheAzkabanDietitian> she has to have the prophecy in her still... or else there would be no shadow copy at the MoM
[16:43] <fawkes28> but i dont think she realizes that she is in danger
[16:43] <Islwyn13> well, we don't know how the MoM gets them
[16:43] <fawkes28> she seems to live in her own world
[16:43] <Islwyn13> might get it by some magical means at teh moment it's made
[16:43] <TheAzkabanDietitian> bubbles
[16:43] <Islwyn13> we just don't know
[16:43] <crookshanksknows> oh i think she's scared to death
[16:43] <Islwyn13> I agree, fawkes, she doesn't know
[16:43] <Islwyn13> DD never told her
[16:43] <crookshanksknows> unless she still doesnt know about the prophesy
[16:44] <MrMcGonagall> I'm tellin' ya . . . the magic bubble machine! smile
[16:44] <KimmyBlair> ok guys i'm out... nice chat!
[16:44] <Islwyn13> as far as we know, she doesn't
[16:44] <fawkes28> so she is in more danger than ever before
[16:44] <TheAzkabanDietitian> is it good that he hasn't told her though?
[16:44] <Islwyn13> she didn't in HBP
[16:44] <fawkes28> lol mr. m
[16:44] <Poet> Bye
[16:44] <Skiplives> bye Kimmy
[16:44] <Islwyn13> when she told Harry Snape was the one listening in
[16:44] <stewiegryf> bye kimmy!
[16:44] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, Kimmy!
[16:44] <Islwyn13> later, Kimy! (hugs!)
[16:44] <KimmyBlair> bye!
[16:44] <Islwyn13> Kimmy, rather smile
[16:44] <KimmyBlair> :elf:
[16:44] <fawkes28> well it is not good now that he has died
[16:44] <TheAzkabanDietitian> bye Kimmy
[16:44] <danae24> bye Kimmy!
[16:44] <KimmyBlair> DAH IT DOENS'T wrk
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[16:44] <SoonerGryffindor> bye
[16:44] <fawkes28> bye kimmy
[16:44] <Islwyn13> :elf:'
[16:44] <Islwyn13> nope, she's right
[16:44] <Islwyn13> I can't get those to work, either smile
[16:44] <TheAzkabanDietitian> ?
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[16:44] <crookshanksknows> bye
[16:45] <fawkes28> Can you study divination without being a true Seer? Can you make a prediction without being one?
[16:45] <Islwyn13> depends on what technique you're using
[16:45] <Skiplives> didn't we do this one
[16:45] <Islwyn13> arithmancy might work
[16:45] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont see how
[16:45] <danae24> It may be too far-fetched, but maybe you can
[16:45] <ph63915> you can study anything
[16:45] <stewiegryf> you can certainly make a prediction...it just won't be right.
[16:45] <SoonerGryffindor> lol stewie
[16:45] <TheAzkabanDietitian> sooner and her puns...
[16:45] <Islwyn13> it's just based on numbers, and if it's true, then anyone who can add can do it
[16:45] <danae24> lol stewie
[16:45] * MrMcGonagall agrees with stewie.
[16:46] <MrMcGonagall> Well, I would say there's no guarantee it would be right, so best not to make one at all.
[16:46] <Islwyn13> but not things like crystal gazing
[16:46] <Skiplives> Yes, I think you can to both, but I think the "channeling" a real seer does is limiter to the seer
[16:46] <Theoriser> I think you can study it without being one, but you can't make prophecies
[16:46] <TheAzkabanDietitian> i always loathed the crystal gazing
[16:46] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Skip.
[16:46] <Poet> I agree, certain forms of predicting can still be done
[16:46] <stewiegryf> i agree skip
[16:46] <SoonerGryffindor> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the PotterCast Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/PotterCast-f104.html.
[16:46] <Islwyn13> I agree, TAD, I could n eve rget it to work smile
[16:46] <fawkes28> When people make predictions, do they channel others, or is it their own words?
[16:47] <Theoriser> I had always thought it was their own words, but when john brought this up I wondered
[16:47] <Skiplives> I think it comes from somewhere not someone
[16:47] <ph63915> in the films its definetly protrayed as channeling others
[16:47] <Poet> Someone has to make the real prediction. I think channeling is very rare. I have no guess as to how it happens
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[16:47] <fawkes28> i think they may channel someone
[16:47] <danae24> it's on their own words
[16:47] <TheAzkabanDietitian> what Skip said
[16:47] <Theoriser> Trelawney speaks in a deep voice when she says her prophecies
[16:47] <Islwyn13> I have NEVER had this much trouble beffore!
[16:47] <stewiegryf> I think there is a difference between a prediction and a prophecy. A prediction is in there own words, a prophecy is channeling.
[16:47] <fawkes28> i think in this case it was cassandra
[16:47] <MrMcGonagall> I agree with Skip and TAD.
[16:47] <TheAzkabanDietitian> poor islwyn
[16:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is their own words, but in Trelawney's case, she very well could be channeling Jack Daniels laugh
[16:47] <Skiplives> I think they tap into the greater gestalt
[16:48] <Poet> Interesting stewiegryf
[16:48] <MrMcGonagall> rotfl, Sooner!
[16:48] <danae24> or cooking sherry
[16:48] <crookshanksknows> channeled
[16:48] <Skiplives> lol
[16:48] <Islwyn13> ah, see, I thikn she made a "Prediction" in PoA, and a "Prophecy" before Harry was born
[16:48] <TheAzkabanDietitian> lol sooner
[16:48] <fawkes28> i think the voice is to distinguish an actual prophecy
[16:48] <Islwyn13> both using the same technique, whatever taht is
[16:48] <fawkes28> at least for plot purposes
[16:48] <Skiplives> agreed fawkes
[16:48] <TheAzkabanDietitian> No, I think that was true seer stuff going on in PoA
[16:48] <fawkes28> it made us pay attention to her instead of dismiss her
[16:48] <Islwyn13> yeah, I agree
[16:48] <TheAzkabanDietitian> right
[16:48] <Skiplives> I thik that is something different than what is taught
[16:48] <Theoriser> good idea fawkes
[16:48] <Islwyn13> but she called taht chapter "Prof Trelawney's Prediction"
[16:49] <Islwyn13> I thin Jo was making a distinction between taht one and the Prophecy, because that predictio came true without the subjects being aware of it
[16:49] <MrMcGonagall> I think it highlights the difference in real prophesying v. guesswork.
[16:49] <Islwyn13> but I think Prophecies require specific actions by the subjects to get that ball rolling
[16:49] <TheAzkabanDietitian> well, seeing and predicting are synonimous in a way aren't they?
[16:49] <Islwyn13> which LV did when he heard part of it
[16:49] <Poet> Both times she made "correct" whatevers, she did not remember, so whatever they are, I think she's channeling someone else.
[16:49] <crookshanksknows> not necessarily...
[16:50] <Islwyn13> this is a pet theory of mine smile
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[16:50] <fawkes28> Danae wins the blog challenge, and gets spelled out again. The halloween-themed album art for this week's PotterCast was made by her. Did you see it?
[16:50] <crookshanksknows> cant you possibly 'see' the present or past?
[16:50] <fawkes28> woo hoo danae!
[16:50] <Skiplives> I don't like the "possession" aspect of "someone"
[16:50] <MrMcGonagall> Nope, I missed it.
[16:50] <SoonerGryffindor> good job Danae
[16:50] <Theoriser> yay for danae!
[16:50] <stewiegryf> Whatever she's doing, its certainly not on a conscious level
[16:50] <fawkes28> hello emily
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[16:50] <TheAzkabanDietitian> It was my favorite! -- before I even knew who made it!
[16:50] * danae24 blushes from head to toe.....
[16:50] <stewiegryf> YAY! danae!
[16:50] <Islwyn13> congrats, Danae!
[16:50] <SoonerGryffindor> its nice
[16:50] <danae24> thanks!
[16:50] <Skiplives> yeah danae
[16:50] <crookshanksknows> woot
[16:50] <Skiplives> you really need to call in and say your name
[16:50] <Islwyn13> I agree with that, stewie, it's certainly not conscious
[16:51] <Islwyn13> she doesn't remember them when she makes them
[16:51] <danae24> and Melissa said yes to getting a PotterCast shirt as the prize!
[16:51] <MrMcGonagall> I'll need to check it out. I always subscribe through iTunes.
[16:51] <Theoriser> I saw the album art on pottercast.com before I'd heard to the end of the show, and I thought it was great biggrin
[16:51] <Islwyn13> Woo hoo!
[16:51] <SoonerGryffindor> that's great danae
[16:51] <Poet> danae24, what did you use to make the avatar?
[16:51] <danae24> my name is pronounced Dun-ah-e
[16:51] <Skiplives> yeah - excellent job
[16:51] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, I just looked at it. Great job!!
[16:51] <danae24> I used Corel Photo-shop 8
[16:51] * TheAzkabanDietitian takes a note
[16:51] * SoonerGryffindor is jealous of people with skills like that
[16:52] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I'm also jealous...
[16:52] * Islwyn13 agrees with SoonerGryffindor and weeps
[16:52] <danae24> I
[16:52] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Perhaps danae will do a tutorial for us
[16:52] <ph63915> nice work Dun-ah-e twenty four
[16:52] <Skiplives> she's choked up
[16:52] <Theoriser> I don't have any decent programs like that, only MS paint
[16:52] <danae24> I'm still in disbelief about winning....
[16:52] <danae24> Maybe I will do a tutorial..............
[16:52] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Pffft... we have a modest one
[16:52] <stewiegryf> I wonder why they didn't put danae's art on pottercast.com on the news post for #61.
[16:53] <Skiplives> check out the nerd's corner
[16:53] <danae24> but there are more talented people, like Kimmy, who rocks my socks!
[16:53] <MrMcGonagall> I've been meaning to make a new personal avatar. Now I'm inspired.
[16:53] <fawkes28> The honourable mention blog brings up John's old Sirius ghost joke. Has anyone been listening for long enough to remember this joke?
[16:53] <Skiplives> sure
[16:53] <danae24> Yes!!!!
[16:53] <Theoriser> I have!
[16:53] <Islwyn13> no ;(
[16:53] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Yes!
[16:53] * Poet raises hand
[16:53] <Theoriser> I remember that joke so well
[16:53] <SoonerGryffindor> yes
[16:53] <TheAzkabanDietitian> poor Islwyn
[16:53] <Islwyn13> yes, pity me smile
[16:53] <danae24> I even considered being Sirius the ghost this halloween............
[16:53] <Skiplives> I love that "old school" is a year
[16:53] <TheAzkabanDietitian> I keep pitying you, please do not be offended
[16:53] <stewiegryf> I started listening right after that...but I've heard the episode
[16:54] <SoonerGryffindor> lol danae
[16:54] <ph63915> im going back through the old ones at the mo
[16:54] <Theoriser> it's one of the ones that he couldn't keep repeating
[16:54] <Poet> People made avatars of Sirius Black the ghost - and John as

[16:54] <Poet> People made avatars of Sirius Black the ghost - and John as the ghost. Those were hilarious.
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[16:54] <Islwyn13> *sigh*
[16:54] <TheAzkabanDietitian> i like the pic with the muggle on fire personally
[16:54] <Theoriser> it actually got old because it wasn't halloween anymore biggrin
[16:54] <Skiplives> Mr. McG try GIMP - it's a free image editor that is actually pretty good
[16:54] <Islwyn13> It's a sign...the Fates tell me I'm to log off the CB
[16:54] <TheAzkabanDietitian> oh noes!
[16:55] <Islwyn13> stupid thing keeps locking up sad
[16:55] <danae24> that's bad.........
[16:55] <crookshanksknows> bummer
[16:55] <fawkes28> The blog challenge for this week - post a picture of yourself dressed up as a Harry Potter character for halloween. Is anybody doing this?
[16:55] <Islwyn13> so I shall bid you all Adieu, or however that's spelled smile
[16:55] <stewiegryf> I predict that chat will be ending in about 7 minutes
[16:55] <Islwyn13> later, all!
[16:55] <danae24> Nope.......... i'm going as Daria
[16:55] <stewiegryf> bye islwyn!
[16:55] <TheAzkabanDietitian> i can't... i'm not dressing up this year---boooo!
[16:55] <crookshanksknows> bye1
[16:55] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Isl
[16:55] <crookshanksknows> !
[16:55] <Poet> I already dressed up, but the lighting is really bad in my apartment.
[16:55] <Skiplives> No - I dress as a non-threatening Dad
[16:55] <Theoriser> I'm not because I'm not dressing up for halloween, it's not that big of a deal here in the UK as it is in America
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[16:55] <fawkes28> i am dressing up by not anyone from HP
[16:56] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Skip
[16:56] * fawkes28 hangs head in shame
[16:56] <TheAzkabanDietitian> Skip is going as Mr Weasley then
[16:56] <ph63915> im just finishing off my pumpkin, got some fancy teeth going
[16:56] <MrMcGonagall> I'm going to be a dementor this halloween.
[16:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I sit at home and let my kids run the neighborhood
[16:56] <Poet> cool
[16:56] <MrMcGonagall> I took the easy way out.
[16:56] <danae24> I have never carved a pumpkin.........
[16:56] * danae24 has a lot of shame about that
[16:56] <MrMcGonagall> I even scare myself.
[16:56] <TheAzkabanDietitian> A dementor... sort of like Sirius' ghost...lol
[16:56] <Skiplives> I used to love doing costume parties - I had friends that threw epic ones every year
[16:56] <Theoriser> lol
[16:56] <stewiegryf> it's never too late to start danae
[16:56] <TheAzkabanDietitian> a black sheet with holes then?
[16:56] <MrMcGonagall> Roasted pumpkin seeds . . yum.
[16:57] <danae24> maybe because in Mexico they dont really celebrate halloween....... but dont get me started about Day of the dead
[16:57] <Theoriser> hehe
[16:57] <crookshanksknows> what???carve one tonight danae
[16:57] <TheAzkabanDietitian> *is scared at the thought of ANY children running the neighborhood*
[16:57] <fawkes28> What was your favourite segment this week?
[16:57] <stewiegryf> dia de los muertos?
[16:57] <MrMcGonagall> Conundrums.
[16:57] <danae24> Si, dia de muertos!!!
[16:57] <Poet> Canon Conundrums as usual.
[16:57] <fawkes28> i really enjoyed the fan interview
[16:57] <Theoriser> all of them!
[16:57] <TheAzkabanDietitian> CC of course!
[16:57] <Skiplives> Conundrums
[16:57] <danae24> Canon Conundrums!
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[16:57] <Poet> Those sure are some smart peeps
[16:57] <Theoriser> I liked canon conundrums better this week
[16:57] * TheAzkabanDietitian misses the modcasters though...
[16:57] <Theoriser> it didn't confuse me as much
[16:57] <ph63915> conundrums by a streer, wish it was longer
[16:57] <SoonerGryffindor> CC, but I learned a tlo from the interview this week
[16:57] <Skiplives> me too
[16:57] <Alexk> am i a little too late?
[16:57] <Alexk> lol
[16:58] <MrMcGonagall> CC was so good, I could hardly believe Melissa wasn't there.
[16:58] <fawkes28> anyone else liked the fan interview the best? or am i all alone? sad
[16:58] <stewiegryf> the fan interview was really interesting. I never knew anything about Arithmancy before that.
[16:58] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Alex, we are just now finished
[16:58] <danae24> just a smidge Alexk...........
[16:58] <Alexk> lol
[16:58] <stewiegryf> i'm with you fawkes!
[16:58] <fawkes28> woo hoo!
[16:58] <fawkes28> hehe
[16:58] <SoonerGryffindor> but..... you are in time for the group hug
[16:58] <crookshanksknows> I like the arithmany bit
[16:58] <danae24> the interview was interesting, but I loved CC
[16:58] <Alexk> yay!
[16:58] <TheAzkabanDietitian> numbers have never been my forte
[16:58] <Alexk> lol
[16:58] <fawkes28> oh i always enjoy CC
[16:58] <danae24> mine neither TAD
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[16:59] <Theoriser> lag
[16:59] <fawkes28> and am excited about next week's question
[16:59] <TheAzkabanDietitian> was ist es? ... I forgot...
[16:59] <danae24> it's about the portraits
[16:59] <ph63915> If JKR admits to having used numbers i'll eat my sorting hat
[16:59] <fawkes28> with DD's portrait
[16:59] <crookshanksknows> Azkaban...is your name a PC way of saying Dementor>?
[16:59] <SoonerGryffindor> okay guys., as much fun as this has been, its that time
[16:59] <danae24> Hug time!
[16:59] <Poet> Yes, cheers everyone!
[16:59] <TheAzkabanDietitian> no, it is a joke that sue and john made up in episode.... i can't remember... sorry
[17:00] * Poet passes out candy at the door
[17:00] * fawkes28 gives a quick hug and then out the door
[17:00] <TheAzkabanDietitian> but that's a funny way of looking at it!
[17:00] <danae24> Thanks Poet!
[17:00] * Alexk is upset, so he steals the cauldron of candy in the corner and runs away
[17:00] <SoonerGryffindor> GROUP HUG!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:00] <Alexk> catch me if you can?
[17:00] <Skiplives> WooHoo candy!
[17:00] <TheAzkabanDietitian> buy everyone! love you all!
[17:00] * danae24 munches on candy!
[17:00] <TheAzkabanDietitian> *bye!
[17:00] <danae24> GROUP HUG!!!
[17:00] * MrMcGonagall hugs everybody and heads for the door.
[17:00] <Skiplives> Group Hugs to all
[17:00] <crookshanksknows> bye thanks for the candy!!
[17:00] <Alexk> bye
[17:00] * stewiegryf slips out with his pockets bulging with candy
[17:00] * danae24 hugs everyone extra tightly!
[17:00] <Poet> Thanks for coming!
[17:00] * TheAzkabanDietitian hugs everyone...except the dementor
[17:00] <ph63915> just thought of a new broadway flik "hurrah for OllyWood"
[17:00] <TheAzkabanDietitian> lol
[17:00] * SoonerGryffindor starts thowing candy out the door
[17:01] <fawkes28> thanks for coming everyone smile
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[17:01] <TheAzkabanDietitian> a good way to get rid of us sooner
[17:01] * Alexk steals teh candy out of everyones pockets while hugging them
[17:01] <fawkes28> hope you enjoyed the chat!
[17:01] <Theoriser> yes, thanks for coming!
[17:01] * danae24 ducks before getting hit on the head with the candy...
[17:01] <Poet> Cute costume! Here's some treats for you!
[17:01] <SoonerGryffindor> lol
[17:01] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Alex
[17:01] <ph63915> cheers
[17:01] <Alexk> ok bye
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[17:01] <Alexk> I guess
[17:01] <danae24> Bye everyone!!! see you later!!!!!
[17:01] <Alexk> lol
[17:01] <TheAzkabanDietitian> bye Snuffles!
[17:01] <Poet> Bye
[17:01] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, its time to go now
[17:01] * fawkes28 waves bye to everyone
[17:01] <TheAzkabanDietitian> *sniff*
[17:01] <Skiplives> bye all - see you all next week
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[17:01] <danae24> Adios, happy Halloween
[17:01] * Poet waves
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[17:01] * Alexk takes more candy before he leaves
[17:02] <Skiplives> same bat time, same bat channel
[17:02] <Alexk> nooo!
[17:02] <SoonerGryffindor> bye danae, bye skip
[17:02] <Alexk> ok fine
[17:02] <TheAzkabanDietitian> how do you say happy halloween in spanish?
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[17:02] <SoonerGryffindor> bye Alex
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[17:02] <fawkes28> it's time to go
[17:02] <TheAzkabanDietitian> XD
[17:02] <TheAzkabanDietitian> XD
[17:02] <Theoriser> bye everyone smile
[17:02] <SoonerGryffindor> by TAD
[17:02] <Theoriser> see you next chat
[17:02] <TheAzkabanDietitian> adios
[17:02] * fawkes28 turns off the lights
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