Corner Booth RG Text Chat transcript 12-30-06, GoF Chapters 20 and 21 |
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[11:52] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [11:58] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [12:00] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [12:01] *** Poet has joined #lounge [12:01] <futureweasley> hi guys [12:01] <harryfreak359> hi everyone smile [12:01] <Poet> hi [12:01] <Poet> hi [12:02] <futureweasley> what's up? [12:02] <SoonerGryffindor> \Hey guys [12:02] <futureweasley> how is the day going? [12:02] <harryfreak359> taking down christmas decorations....it's making me sad [12:02] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [12:02] <futureweasley> hi MrMcG! [12:02] <harryfreak359> Hi Mr.M [12:02] <SoonerGryffindor> Awwww hf [12:03] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everyone! [12:03] <futureweasley> we had to take Fawkes to the airport this morning...boo! [12:03] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Mr M! [12:03] <harryfreak359> awww [12:03] <Poet> boo indeed [12:03] <SoonerGryffindor> we were all together just yesterday *sniff* [12:03] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [12:03] <Poet> *sigh* [12:03] <futureweasley> hi Jane [12:03] <harryfreak359> Hi Jane [12:03] <JaneMarple9> biggrin Hi everyone! [12:04] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Jane! [12:04] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Jane [12:04] <MrMcGonagall> The OK Mod Convention is breaking up. *sniff* [12:04] <futureweasley> we found another horcrux today! [12:05] <SoonerGryffindor> its so sad, Mr M [12:05] <harryfreak359> really? cool, future! [12:05] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, the evile ticket machine at the airport [12:05] *** bemused has joined #lounge [12:05] <Poet> hehe [12:05] <harryfreak359> LOL [12:05] <SoonerGryffindor> acutally, I think there was more than one there [12:05] <Poet> Did it burn your hands? [12:05] <futureweasley> hi bemused [12:05] <bemused> hello [12:05] <SoonerGryffindor> hi bemused [12:05] <harryfreak359> hi bemused [12:06] <futureweasley> no, no hand burning...thank goodness [12:06] <harryfreak359> good, good biggrin [12:06] <futureweasley> however, the maintenance guy almost got AK'ed...no joke [12:06] <SoonerGryffindor> evidentally, DFW was closed yesterday because there were lots of tornados so the OKC airport this morning was a mess [12:06] <Poet> wow [12:06] <harryfreak359> Tornados? Now? Eek! [12:07] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, I heard about the airport in Dallas cancelling all kinds of flights. Tornadoes all over central and eastern Texas. [12:07] <SoonerGryffindor> endless lines of people. We were all cranky and poor fawkes was getting concerned she would not make her flight [12:07] * harryfreak359 is glad that she doesn't live in Texas anymore [12:07] *** daretodream2 has joined #lounge [12:07] <SoonerGryffindor> hi daretodream [12:08] <daretodream2> hi [12:08] <MrMcGonagall> Wasn't missing her flight part of fawkes' plan to stay in Oklahoma? biggrin [12:08] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [12:08] <harryfreak359> hi daretodream [12:08] <Poet> That's what I thought [12:08] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, dtd! [12:08] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but this morning was crazy [12:08] <Poet> And those wheren't tornadoes in the west country.... [12:08] *** Val_Halla has joined #lounge [12:08] <SoonerGryffindor> hi VH [12:08] <Poet> giants [12:08] <Poet> Hi Val_Halla [12:08] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL Poet [12:08] <harryfreak359> Hi Val halla [12:09] <Val_Halla> hi [12:09] <harryfreak359> LOL [12:09] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, my, giants were rampaging in central Texas? That explains a lot. [12:09] <bemused> Any mist about, Poet? [12:09] <Poet> yep [12:09] <bemused> that's bad... [12:09] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [12:09] <Poet> Quite a bit of mist actually. I could hardly see where I was driving [12:09] <SoonerGryffindor> Hi Pleshette [12:09] <Poet> Howdy Pleshette [12:09] <bemused> Best reach for the chocolate, then [12:09] <harryfreak359> Weird weather lately [12:09] <harryfreak359> hi Pleshette [12:09] <Poet> Thankfully I had chocolate with me [12:09] <Pleshette> Hello, Hello! smile [12:10] <Poet> Always be prepared [12:10] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Pleshette! [12:10] <bemused> hello Pleshette! [12:10] <MrMcGonagall> Accio chocolate! [12:10] <JaneMarple9> I am here...floating about! [12:10] <Pleshette> Has Oklahoma recovere yet? [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> chocolate always makes thiings better [12:10] <Pleshette> d [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> not quite yet Pleshette [12:10] <harryfreak359> We actually had a fog warning here...which is weird....dementors! [12:10] <MrMcGonagall> Tulsa is having intermittent showers through early afternoon. [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> its actually getting rather sunny here now [12:11] <Pleshette> It's snowing here right now [12:11] <bemused> It's been pouring in Sussex today [12:11] <JaneMarple9> chocolate is good! [12:11] <harryfreak359> It's bright and sunny here [12:11] <JaneMarple9> You can't have too much! [12:11] <MrMcGonagall> Good! That means it will be sunny in Tulsa soon! Wooty-woo-hoo-wa-hey! [12:11] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL Mr M [12:11] <harryfreak359> lol [12:12] <SoonerGryffindor> so what are everyone's new years plans? [12:12] <Poet> Let's hear a "wa-hey..." Wa-hey! [12:12] <harryfreak359> Umm...well, other than eating a delicious New Year's meal...nothing. [12:12] <SoonerGryffindor> lol hf [12:12] <Poet> Hmmm. I usually have big plans, but I think this year it'll just be my sisters and I hanging out. [12:12] <Pleshette> Sitting on the couch doing absolutely nothing, lol! [12:12] <MrMcGonagall> We have an evening service followed by movie night in my parish. [12:12] <futureweasley> I'll be flying home [12:12] <futureweasley> boo!!! [12:12] <harryfreak359> aww [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> boo indeed [12:13] <bemused> Did you decide on the movie, Mr M? [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I will probably watch football [12:13] <harryfreak359> Whoo hoo football! [12:13] <MrMcGonagall> The Sounds of Music, and people can sing along if they want to. [12:13] <JaneMarple9> New Years Eve...spending it with Leaky! w00t2 [12:13] <daretodream2> so will I SoonerGryffindor [12:13] <JaneMarple9> Never go anywhere at New Year [12:13] <futureweasley> I love the Sound of Music [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> me neither really. Too much craziness out there [12:13] *** quidditchkate has joined #lounge [12:13] <bemused> Me too [12:14] *** lulubelle has joined #lounge [12:14] <Pleshette> Sounds like a good plan Jane [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> hi quidditchkate [12:14] <quidditchkate> hi [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> hi lulubelle [12:14] <lulubelle> hi there! [12:14] <Poet> I had a friend who'd always watch The Sound of Music with her family on New Year's Eve. [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, we are about to get started guys in like a minute [12:14] <harryfreak359> When is the fiesta bowl? I can't remember... [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> Jan 1 [12:14] <harryfreak359> Oh, well then I might be watching that [12:15] <harryfreak359> I live about 15 mins away from the stadium [12:15] <lulubelle> go gators! haha [12:15] <futureweasley> anybody but the Buckeyes, PLEASE!! [12:15] <JaneMarple9> see it from your bedroom by the sound of it Harryfreak! [12:15] * SoonerGryffindor is jealous of hf [12:15] *** trigallj has joined #lounge [12:15] <SoonerGryffindor> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [12:16] <futureweasley> Hermione works tirelessly to get Harry through the first task–Dragons. She naturally rolls out to the library to research everything there is to know about dragons. On the way to class, Harry spots Cedric and realizes Cedric is the only one who doesn't know about the dragons. Harry decides to clue Cedric in much to Cedric’s surprise. Moody spots them. [12:16] <futureweasley> At Moody’s office, Harry’s surprised when Mad Eye tells him what a "decent" thing he did. Even more surprised when Mad Eye tells him that cheating is a tradition in the tournament, but that he will not help Harry. Moody gives Harry a useful tip--"play to your strengths.” Harry finally figures out his strength–flying. [12:16] <futureweasley> In the next 24 hours, he masters a Summoning Spell (due to a lot of coaching from Hermione)! The day of the task arrives and the panicky feeling in Harry's stomach returns. In the tent with the others, everyone is tense and anxious before the start of the task. Bagman, however, is happy and can't wait to begin. The champions have to collect the golden egg protected by the dragon. [12:17] <futureweasley> Harry gets the Hungarian Horntail which he defeats. He gets the egg and returns to the tent. Ron figures out Harry didn’t put his name in the cup. All the animosity of the last few weeks fades and they’re friends again. Before Harry can get his score Ron fills him in on what the others did, none was as elegant a solution as Harry's. Harry’s score ties him for first with Krum. [12:17] <futureweasley> After sending Sirius a letter, the reunited Trio head down to Harry's "surprise" party in the Common Room – where the real surprise is the egg. Good thing Harry shuts it quickly! What was the noise? The latest recording of the Weird Sisters, perhaps? Neville has a flighty encounter with a cream–and Hermione gets curious about the kitchens. [12:17] <futureweasley> At COMC, the class help Hagrid hibernate hapless Skrewts. Dean gets burned and the Slytherins disappear. Rita is there to watch it all. At Divination, Pluto is giving Harry a hard time – maybe it is just annoyed that some people do not consider it a planet. To cap off the day, Hermione pulls a vanishing act and then insists they follow her to the kitchens. [12:17] <futureweasley> At the kitchens, Dobby’s happy, but Winky’s a mess. She is not wanting any part of Dobby's hard-fought-negotiations for low wages and minimal time off. Winky is homesick and missing Mr. Crouch. But she certainly doesn't care for Mr. Bagman – not at all. After promising Dobby a sweater and visiting rights, they head back to the Common Room. [12:17] <futureweasley> All caught up? Good then let’s get this chat underway! [12:18] <futureweasley> Harry is terrified of facing a dragon, but he realizes that he’d rather do that than have to return to the Dursley’s. What does that say about Harry? What does that say about the Dursleys? [12:18] <SoonerGryffindor> Not very flattering, is it? [12:18] <harryfreak359> Well, the Dursley's are worse than wild dragons...not too nice [12:18] <bemused> Putting it mildly! [12:18] <futureweasley> well, facing Vernon is somewhat like facing a firebreathing dragon [12:19] <MrMcGonagall> At least a dragon can just kill you rather than putting you through years of misery. [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [12:19] <lulubelle> i kind of think harry craves that advenure secretly anyway... [12:19] <lulubelle> lol [12:19] <harryfreak359> lol [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I still think that was a bit of exaggeration on Harry's part [12:19] <MrMcGonagall> Probably so. [12:19] <Poet> It shows that Harry is willing to face his fears to meet his goals. In this case he was willing to do whatever it took to participate in something that Hogwarts put forth to him - even though it wasn't his chosing [12:19] <harryfreak359> It probably was, [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> but the dragon would have been quicker than listening to Vernon [12:19] <futureweasley> the dragon likely has better breath, though [12:19] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Expie [12:19] <Pleshette> lol future [12:19] <harryfreak359> Hi Expie [12:19] <futureweasley> hi Expie [12:19] <lulubelle> hi expie [12:20] <Pleshette> Hi expel! [12:20] <Expelliarmas> Heya Peepers! [12:20] <JaneMarple9> Hi there Expie! [12:20] <Poet> Harry feels more comfortable with magical than non-magical situations. He truely belongs in that world [12:20] <MrMcGonagall> That's true, Poet. [12:20] <lulubelle> that's true [12:20] <harryfreak359> Yes, Poet that is completely true [12:20] <bemused> It's life or death - at the Drusleys the misery is drawn out [12:20] <Pleshette> It goes to show how much Harry hates living with the Dursleys [12:20] <lulubelle> i think this was exaggeration for the sake of humor though, too? [12:21] <MrMcGonagall> Harry does better in those situations that call fro adrenaline. [12:21] <Pleshette> But I do think it was an exaggeration too [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> and Harry also has some control in dealing with the dragons. He has no control at the Dursleys house [12:21] <Poet> Great point bemused . The dragon is a short-lived situation [12:21] <quidditchkate> good point [12:21] <JaneMarple9> Yes fighting a dragon seems slightly more appealing than the Dursleys [12:21] <harryfreak359> Agreed, Sooner, it is much better to have control. [12:21] <bemused> Oh yes - that too lulubelle [12:21] <lulubelle> control- that's a good point [12:21] <futureweasley> it might have been a *slight* exaggeration, but it's not far from the truth [12:21] <lulubelle> agreed, futureweasley [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, lulu. I also think there was exaggeration [12:21] <JaneMarple9> I suppose Uncle Vernon is like a dragon in a way [12:21] <bemused> More like a hippo.... [12:21] <quidditchkate> plus someone might step in before he gets mauled at the triwizard tourney....no one can protect him from the dursleys [12:21] <Pleshette> True, but a dragon isn't the same as a blast-ended skrewt... [12:22] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [12:22] <Poet> The dragon has been brought to Hogwarts, which is Harry's arena. At the Dursleys, it's like Harry's playing "an away" game. [12:22] <lulubelle> hey, even if there is exaggeration, exaggeration requires some truth. i guess that's what we're all saying. and there's definitely truth to that. [12:22] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good point Poet [12:22] <Pleshette> There is a very real danger there, even though Charlie and gang are there to step in [12:22] <lulubelle> yea that is [12:22] <harryfreak359> Nice point Pioet [12:22] <futureweasley> Both Moody and Bagman offer to help Harry figure out the First Task. Since Harry has already gotten help from Moody, why is he so adamant about not accepting help from Bagman? [12:22] <Pleshette> Bagman is a judge [12:22] <harryfreak359> Well, I don't think Harry is the kind to cheat at all, and Bagman is a judge [12:23] <quidditchkate> i think he sees bagman as a little sketchy too [12:23] <trigallj> Also, Bagman is smarmy [12:23] <quidditchkate> he trusts moody because dumbledore does [12:23] <MrMcGonagall> Somehow what Bagman is doing is even more unethical, I think, especially given his official position. [12:23] <Expelliarmas> Harry doesn't trust Bagman [12:23] <Val_Halla> Harry trusts Moody because he was an auror [12:23] <bemused> Bagman is also foing it for himself, not for Harry - and Moody at least makes him feel that he's working it out for himself [12:23] <Pleshette> If he's giving Harry help it's an unfair advantage over the others...a bit suspicious [12:23] <bemused> *doing! [12:23] <Expelliarmas> And Moody was more clever about hiding his help; he tells Harry he's not going to help him [12:23] <harryfreak359> Yes, Expie [12:23] <MrMcGonagall> What Bagman suggests seems more like direct cheating, rather than advice. [12:23] <quidditchkate> exactly [12:23] <Pleshette> I agree [12:24] <daretodream2> true [12:24] <Poet> Bagman is a judge, exactly. He has no reason to be helping Harry, so Harry definitely concerned. Moody is a teacher at the school that Harry is representing, so Harry thinks he understands. [12:24] <lulubelle> me too [12:24] <JaneMarple9> I thought Moody was being extra kind at first read [12:24] <harryfreak359> Yeah, Bagman's offer to help does seem a lot more like cheating [12:24] <Pleshette> Me too Jane [12:24] <lulubelle> there's more reason to question intentions with bagman [12:24] <Val_Halla> Moddy also makes it seem he's only leveling the playing field [12:24] <Val_Halla> since Harry is younger [12:24] <JaneMarple9> yes Val_Halla [12:24] <Poet> And supposedly all the champions are getting help from someone from their respective school, but not from Bagman [12:24] <JaneMarple9> giving Harry a helping hand [12:24] <harryfreak359> That's what Bagman sad he was doing though [12:24] <lulubelle> true, poet [12:24] <Pleshette> Moody doesn't give Harry the answer either, he prompts Harry to reach the conclusion himself on how to face the dragon [12:24] <futureweasley> right, I agree...Bagman isn't one I would willingly accept advice from...he might be stacking the chips in the interest of his pocket [12:25] <JaneMarple9> as he was sure Harry would tell Cedric about dragons in the end [12:25] <harryfreak359> I agree Future [12:25] <JaneMarple9> but Bagman is connected with the Ministry [12:25] <Poet> Yep, especially with that score we see him give Harry in the first task later [12:25] <JaneMarple9> Bad thing in Harry's eyes [12:25] <lulubelle> another good point [12:25] <futureweasley> so is Fudge...and I don't trust him either [12:25] <Pleshette> Exactly Poet [12:25] <Val_Halla> Moody's apparent reason for helping is to protect Harry [12:25] <JaneMarple9> Fudge is highly untrustworthy [12:25] <lulubelle> harry is starting to distrust the ministry in book 3 [12:26] <Pleshette> And Harry even realizes that the score isn't fair [12:26] <lulubelle> absolutely [12:26] <JaneMarple9> and Crouch isn't far behind [12:26] <quidditchkate> and dumbledore doesnt have a great relationship with the ministry....and harry values dumbledores opinion [12:26] <JaneMarple9> I don't think harry liked Fudge muchg from their first "meeting" [12:26] <futureweasley> Why do you think Harry had such a "block" about learning the Summoning Charm? [12:26] <harryfreak359> Bagman just seems more suspicious [12:26] <JaneMarple9> in Hagrids cabin when he went to Azakaban [12:27] <Poet> It's a short time before the tournament. Nerves can hurt your ability to perform well (or learn well) [12:27] <harryfreak359> Well, when you have to learn how to do something so quickly when it's so important, it's kind of easy to get a "block" [12:27] <daretodream2> I think we all have those things that don't come easy to us, this was one of Harry's [12:27] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [12:27] <Pleshette> Because it required a lot of concentration on his part. [12:27] <MrMcGonagall> True, dtd. [12:27] <bemused> Because he needed to learn it - desparation blocking concentration [12:27] <futureweasley> I think he's fighting with Ron, and he's just not concentrating [12:27] <JaneMarple9> Bagman's more like Fred and George, there for comic value [12:27] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, Harry has plenty to distract him at the moment. [12:27] <JaneMarple9> Yes fighting with Ron is a big distraction [12:27] <quidditchkate> i think its important that harrry couldnt get it at first....another hurdle to overcome [12:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was because he was fighting too [12:27] <futureweasley> I think it's Harry's own special brand of ADD kicking in [12:27] <JaneMarple9> hasn't got ron to discuss things with [12:27] <Pleshette> Knowing you *have* to master something often hinders progress [12:28] <Poet> Also, not only will Harry have to summon the broom, but do so from a long distance. He has to learn the spell and prefect it. [12:28] *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge [12:28] <harryfreak359> I agre Pleshette [12:28] <Expelliarmas> Harry seems to learn best when he's under pressure; the reverse of Hermione [12:28] <futureweasley> right Pleshette, I agree [12:28] <futureweasley> hi kaelgirl [12:28] <harryfreak359> *agree [12:28] <Poet> Harry's own life is on the line [12:28] <harryfreak359> hi kaelgirl [12:28] <Pleshette> Hi kaelgirl [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> let's face it.... if Harry doesnt want to learn something, he procrastinates a lot [12:28] <lulubelle> hi kaelgirl [12:28] <Val_Halla> As readers, it was nice to see that harry isn't great at everything [12:28] <kaelgirl> hello everyone [12:28] <futureweasley> that's right Poet...he is highly aware of that, too [12:28] <harryfreak359> That's truee too Sooner [12:28] <Val_Halla> he has to work like everyone else [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that about hiim Val [12:28] <JaneMarple9> yes Harry does has his weakness [12:28] <lulubelle> yea definitely [12:28] <Poet> Too true - Harry does well in action, not always in practice [12:29] <quidditchkate> he rises to the occasion [12:29] <JaneMarple9> everybody has their weak spot [12:29] <lulubelle> weaknesses in the plural actually [12:29] <lulubelle> definitely [12:29] <Pleshette> And knowing that it has to be mastered in order to get by a fire-breathing dragon is unnerving [12:29] <MrMcGonagall> And being a champion offers a perfect opportunity to slough off classwork, as you aren't going sit exams at the end of the year. [12:29] <JaneMarple9> their achilles heel [12:29] <trigallj> Harry is not especially good at things that don't require human emotions - he's good at Patronus cause it requires thinking something happy. [12:29] <bemused> But when it comes to it, it's usually Harry's own skill that carries him through [12:29] <harryfreak359> Yes, Mr.M, but they are going to have to do the work anyways, even if they don't realize it [12:29] <kaelgirl> I sorta know how Harry feels when under pressure. He's not this perfect person who can figure everything out in one go. [12:29] <futureweasley> Each of the champions has to face a different species of dragon. Harry ends up getting the worst of the lot, but why were dragons of varying degrees of viciousness selected for the task? Why weren’t four of the same species of dragon brought for the champions? [12:30] <harryfreak359> I thought this was kind of unfair [12:30] <bemused> Adds to the element of chance and challenge [12:30] <futureweasley> that's just Harry's luck, isn't it? [12:30] <harryfreak359> But I agree, Bemused, it makes it harder [12:30] <quidditchkate> also it could prevent one champion from copying another [12:30] <MrMcGonagall> True, that hardly seemed to create a level playing field in the task [12:30] <Val_Halla> More interesting for the spectators [12:30] <kaelgirl> I would hate it if I got the worst of the lot [12:30] <JaneMarple9> it shows the variety of dragons [12:30] <JaneMarple9> that some dragons are fiercier than others [12:31] <JaneMarple9> yeah more interesting for spectators [12:31] <Pleshette> It really is unfair now that I think about it though [12:31] <Poet> I agree that it would make it harder for the later champions to copy what an earlier champion had done, even though they can't see what is happening [12:31] <kaelgirl> it would've made sense to give everyone the same though... [12:31] <lulubelle> i like that point, quidditchkate [12:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I wondered that myself, but then you would still have different dragons [12:31] <kaelgirl> they should've awarded more points to those who got the harder dragons [12:31] <MrMcGonagall> A great amount of effort seems to be put into making the tasks interesting for the spectators, as well, rather like gladiatorial combat. [12:31] <lulubelle> haha yea especially for harry, sheesh [12:32] <Pleshette> I agree kaelgirl [12:32] <futureweasley> I think that the dragons might have some sort of representation OTHER than just being different species [12:32] <bemused> It over-rode the cheating to an extent - even if they knew it was dragons, they couldn't know which dragon [12:32] <trigallj> Kind of like bull riding - not all the bulls are the same [12:32] <Expelliarmas> There have to be 4 different types as the challenges are supposed to test the champions' ability to adapt [12:32] <lulubelle> but for the sake of the story, harry really just had to have the toughest time of it [12:32] <Poet> And maybe Jo was wanting to teach us something [12:32] <Val_Halla> I agree bemused [12:32] <Poet> Great point bemused [12:32] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [12:32] <harryfreak359> I agee Bemused [12:33] <harryfreak359> *agree [12:33] <JaneMarple9> good point bemused [12:33] <futureweasley> We finally see Ron and Harry make up! Why do you think Ron decided to seek Harry out for reconciliation at this point? [12:33] <JaneMarple9> never thought of that [12:33] <JaneMarple9> Ron was terrified for Harry [12:33] <lulubelle> his friendship won out. he was scared for him [12:33] <Expelliarmas> I think he was shocked--Ron, not Harry [12:33] <Pleshette> I think it was a kind of wake up call for Ron [12:33] <bemused> Seeing Harry face death made him see how much their friendship meant [12:33] <JaneMarple9> He was impressed the way he dealt with the dragon [12:33] <lulubelle> wake up call, definitely [12:33] <MrMcGonagall> I think he realized Harry could not possibly have wanted this for himself. These tasks really are life-threatening. [12:33] <daretodream2> I agree with wake up call [12:33] <harryfreak359> Finally! (boys...) And Ron was worried about Harry, and I think that it kind of made him realize what was going on [12:33] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Expie and Pleshette. [12:33] <bemused> Good point Mr M [12:34] <Pleshette> That Harry was facing real danger, and the pettiness really had to be put aside [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Ron tried to approach him before the task, but didnt have the guts to do it yet [12:34] <quidditchkate> i agree pleshette [12:34] *** daretodream2 left #lounge [] [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> he realized after the task would be the best time [12:34] <futureweasley> Ron realized he was the most ridiculous jerk, and Harry realized that he did everything to perpetuate the situation...they were both to blame [12:34] <Poet> Yes, I think it was shock - I don't think Ron had to conscious get up his nerve and go approach Harry to makeup. [12:34] <Pleshette> yeah Sooner, I agree [12:34] <JaneMarple9> I think Ron wanted to make up with harry [12:34] <harryfreak359> Perhaps Sooner [12:34] <JaneMarple9> when he came to the common room [12:34] <JaneMarple9> when Harry was talking with sirius [12:34] *** DA63 has joined #lounge [12:34] <Expelliarmas> well, they "made up" [12:34] <Poet> I think so as well JaneMarple9. I think Ron had been wanting to make up for a bit. [12:34] <JaneMarple9> but it was exactly the wrong time [12:35] <harryfreak359> I think so too, Jane [12:35] <lulubelle> ahhh yea i agree. ron kept seeing how irrational it was to think harry haddesired all this [12:35] <bemused> I think you could be right, Jane - but they're both very stubborn [12:35] <JaneMarple9> thats boys for you biggrin [12:35] <lulubelle> they're boys, of course they're stubborn smile [12:35] <Expelliarmas> Ron had more time to reflect on what he'd accused Harry of doing [12:35] <Pleshette> lol [12:35] <JaneMarple9> biggrin echo! [12:35] <lulubelle> hahaha [12:35] <MrMcGonagall> It's a guy thing. They communicate in very few words. [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> or with fists [12:35] <futureweasley> Amen, MrMcG [12:35] <JaneMarple9> they grunt more than talk! [12:35] <Pleshette> Who can outlast the other being stubborn [12:35] <harryfreak359> Yup, MrM [12:35] <JaneMarple9> yeah sooner [12:36] <lulubelle> it's true. so that just means that it took the fear of harry being mauled by dragons to wake him up [12:36] <harryfreak359> and Sooner [12:36] <futureweasley> What do you think of Harry telling Cedric--he didn't have to? Why is it so important to Harry for all the competitors to be on equal footing? [12:36] <lulubelle> i have to run. bye everyone. [12:36] <harryfreak359> bye lullubelle [12:36] <Pleshette> Bye lulu [12:36] <Expelliarmas> Harry is essentially all about being fair [12:36] *** quidditchkate has quit [Bye] [12:36] *** lulubelle has quit [Bye] [12:36] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's Harry's innate sense of what's fair. [12:36] <harryfreak359> Becaue that is the kind of person Harry is [12:36] <JaneMarple9> it shows Harry is always fair... [12:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is so awesome of him. He felt bad about having an advantage, I think [12:36] <Val_Halla> Harry liked Cedric when he wasn't busy being jealous [12:36] <harryfreak359> He wants to be fair [12:37] <JaneMarple9> except when it concerns Snape! [12:37] <bemused> He's very fair minded anyway, and he really deosn't like the sense that he's being helped because he's younger [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree bemused [12:37] <MrMcGonagall> It also shows Harry doesn't really have anything against Cedric. [12:37] <Val_Halla> Harry knows how it feels to be treated unfairly [12:37] <Pleshette> I think Harry remembered Cedric's fairness and decency last year during the Quidditch match that Gryffindor lost [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> not until Cho anyways [12:37] <JaneMarple9> yes Val [12:37] <futureweasley> I think Harry's just like that...he thinks having that sort of advantage would "cheapen" any other person's victory [12:37] <futureweasley> it's not just for Cedric, it's for the other contestants, too [12:37] <Val_Halla> true Pleshette [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry never asked to be helped along. Its not like he went out looking to cheat [12:38] <harryfreak359> Agreed Sooner [12:38] <Poet> Harry wants to win on his own terms - like Krum in the World Cup. He doesn't want some sort of hand-out. [12:38] <Pleshette> Right Sooner [12:38] <Expelliarmas> Harry would've done the decent thing regardless; it was obvious Cedric was the only one without any idea of what was coming [12:38] <futureweasley> yes Poet...I agree [12:38] <JaneMarple9> help just finds Harry! [12:38] <MrMcGonagall> Good point, Poet. [12:38] <Val_Halla> I agree Expie [12:38] *** Ginnyous has joined #lounge [12:38] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> hi gunnyous [12:38] <futureweasley> hi adam [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> HI adam [12:38] <Pleshette> Hi ginnyous [12:38] <JaneMarple9> hi there adam [12:38] <futureweasley> hi ginnyous [12:38] <Pleshette> Hi adam [12:38] <Ginnyous> hi guys [12:38] <adamgryff> hi [12:39] <Poet> Harry shows that he also doesn't want harm coming to the others involved in the Triwizard Tournament [12:39] <harryfreak359> hi ginnyous [12:39] <harryfreak359> hi Adam [12:39] <futureweasley> What do you think of the description of Mad Eye's office? How does it reflect it's inhabitant? [12:39] <Pleshette> Did anyone find it odd that Harry didn't tell Cedric that he split his bag? [12:39] <Poet> yeah [12:39] <Expelliarmas> I don't know that it does reflect its inhabitant [12:39] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [12:39] <JaneMarple9> it just seemed irreverant [12:39] <adamgryff> the description is just creepy, not a place I would want to be [12:40] <Ginnyous> hi green [12:40] <JaneMarple9> because how else would harry get him alone? [12:40] <Greeneyes15> hi guys [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> Very reflective of Moody. How well BC Jr. plays the game. [12:40] <JaneMarple9> Moody's office seems like a Aurors office [12:40] <Poet> It is an example of fake Moody showing that he is Moody. I agree MrMcGonagall [12:40] <futureweasley> it, to me, sounded like a place of someone was trying to hide who is really was. with the foe glass and all [12:40] <Val_Halla> In hindsight, I find it amusing that Moody made a point of saying the Sneakoscopes were going off constantly because of students [12:40] <bemused> I wondered if the sneakoscopes and wot-not were actually Moody's thing, reacting to Crouch Jnr [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if it was reflective of real Mad eye, or BCJ? [12:40] <JaneMarple9> just how a Auror office would be [12:40] <futureweasley> right, in hindsight [12:40] <futureweasley> sorry [12:40] <Poet> Yes Val_Halla [12:40] <Poet> I loved that part [12:40] <harryfreak359> Well, i think that it kind of was a little worrying...I mean, having someone in the school with all that defense stuff in there...kind of creepy. And I think it did reflect Moody. [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> I think real Madeye. [12:40] *** Ginnyous left #lounge [] [12:41] <JaneMarple9> I think it reflected Moody's at first [12:41] <Pleshette> It just seemed like the office of an Auror [12:41] <JaneMarple9> but then the BCJ's traits came through [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Mr M. Maybe that's how MCJ interpreted the real Mad-Eye would have his room [12:41] <MrMcGonagall> I find it interesting he disabled the Sneakascope and explained away the humming Secrecy Sensor. [12:41] <Expelliarmas> I wondered about the foe glass and what it was seeing and on whose behalf [12:41] <Poet> Also, the room of course had a double purpose for its inhabitant. [12:41] *** adamgryff has quit [Bye] [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Expie' [12:41] <Val_Halla> Yeah, Mr M [12:41] <futureweasley> he did do all those things, MrMcG...and he saw "himself" in the FoeGlass [12:41] <JaneMarple9> yes MrMcG, very convienient explanation [12:42] <Expelliarmas> was it seeing on the real Mad-Eye's behalf or was it seeing on BCJ's behalf? very confusing [12:42] <Poet> It looked like a Moody room, but it had the equal ability to help fake Moody [12:42] <MrMcGonagall> It is a bit confusing, Expie. [12:42] <Val_Halla> he had to have the dark detectors to be like the real Moody, but they were detecting him [12:42] <SoonerGryffindor> why is that Poet? because of the trunk you mean? [12:42] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [12:42] <bemused> I think the dark detectors were Moody's, reacting to Crouch - I think! [12:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I too wondered if they were reacting to him [12:43] <Poet> Because fake Moody had the need to watch his back, and many of the objects could keep an eye out for people l like Snape or DD coming along [12:43] <JaneMarple9> makes sense Bemused [12:43] <harryfreak359> I thought that they were [12:43] <JaneMarple9> never thought of that before [12:43] <trigallj> Hmmm - the Foe Glass was definitely BCJ foes [12:43] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [12:43] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, makes you wonder if a Foe Glass is charmed by its owner or something. [12:43] <futureweasley> Is "Moody" really impressed that Harry told Cedric, or annoyed since his goal is to keep him in lead through the end of Tournament? [12:43] <Pleshette> I wondered that too Mr.McG [12:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I think annoyed, but he could not let it show [12:43] <Expelliarmas> I think he was seeing it as a helpful tool to sneak hints to Harry later on [12:43] <bemused> That part puzzles me, future, 'cos he really does seem impressed [12:43] <Val_Halla> I think he is probably annoyed [12:44] <harryfreak359> I think that he might actually be impressed...I don't know why [12:44] <Expelliarmas> BCJ played all the angles [12:44] <adamgryff> I think he was annoyed [12:44] <SoonerGryffindor> it had to have made his job harder [12:44] <JaneMarple9> i think he was annoyed [12:44] <Poet> I think fake Moody used that as a ploy to get Harry talking [12:44] <MrMcGonagall> BCJ knows what a noble thing looks like - he just wouldn't do it himself. [12:44] <Pleshette> probably annoyed but couldn't let it show [12:44] <JaneMarple9> puzzled why his master couldn't defeat a mere boy [12:45] <Val_Halla> BCJ was probably thinking to himself "that darned goody two shoes" [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> lol VH [12:45] <harryfreak359> lol [12:45] <Expelliarmas> oh, I think BCJ knows Harry is not a mere boy [12:45] <JaneMarple9> or words to that effect! [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> that had to be going through his mind [12:45] <harryfreak359> I agree Expie [12:45] <bemused> He may be intrigued by Harry, given his history with LV [12:45] <JaneMarple9> yes bemused [12:45] <JaneMarple9> I can see him being intrigued by harry [12:45] <JaneMarple9> maybe slightly pleased to be teaching him [12:46] <futureweasley> Will "Crouch's" tip to Harry help him at any other time? Is this an example of the bad guys helping Harry without knowing it? [12:46] <JaneMarple9> making sure he doesn't teach him too much [12:46] <Poet> I think Moody used that "line" to get into a conversation about the tournament & to show that the champions were all getting help (and it was ok) [12:46] <trigallj> His orders from LV are to get Harry to the portkey - I think Harry helping Cedric annoyed BCJ cause it made his job harder [12:46] <MrMcGonagall> Oooh, good question. [12:46] <Pleshette> I agree trigallj [12:46] * adamgryff is thinking on that one [12:46] <bemused> It's certainly helpful to give Harry the idea of playing on his strengths [12:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so. [12:47] <JaneMarple9> yeah, We first think it is a good guy, helping harry [12:47] <harryfreak359> I think so [12:47] <Val_Halla> I think BCJ taught things to Harry pretty freely to gain his trust because he expected him to die soon [12:47] <Expelliarmas> he just reinforced the idea in harry's head that he's an excellent flyer [12:47] <JaneMarple9> he is encouraging Harry to use his strengths [12:47] <JaneMarple9> he even has to tell him what they are [12:47] <JaneMarple9> Harry is very naive sometimes [12:47] <Pleshette> Sure, and it's the Summoning charm that allows Harry to escape LV in the graveyard [12:47] <Poet> He is preparing Harry for the type of help he will be giving him. [12:48] <futureweasley> I think it is, for sure [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its great advice for anyone no matter what situation they find themsleves in [12:48] <adamgryff> i would have to agree with the using of streghths [12:48] <Pleshette> Essentially, it's BCJ's fault that Harry escapes [12:48] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> another lesson that Jo is imparting to us [12:48] <futureweasley> at this point in Harry's "magical" career...any "tips" are likely to help him form up his skills...skills he hasn't even practiced yet [12:48] <Poet> And its an example of things Voldemort does coming back to bite him in the end - Harry becomes more prepared all the time [12:49] <adamgryff> true future [12:49] <harryfreak359> I agree both Future and Poet [12:49] <Expelliarmas> Yes, Hermione is around to help Harry with his weaknesses [12:49] <futureweasley> What do you think of Bagman's willingness to help Harry cheat? [12:49] <harryfreak359> Suspicious [12:49] <bemused> Slimey... [12:49] <Expelliarmas> Bagman = lowlife [12:49] <trigallj> Bagman bet on Harry [12:50] <MrMcGonagall> Bagman is not a pleasant man. I totally agree with Winky about his character. [12:50] <SoonerGryffindor> unsurprising [12:50] <adamgryff> I think it was not the greatest of things [12:50] <DA63> Harry is becoming VD equal [12:50] <Val_Halla> It was so obvious in the end I had to smack my forehead [12:50] <futureweasley> yes trigallj, I think that an absence of Bagman's "tips" would indicate that his money was AGAINST Harry [12:50] <harryfreak359> Yup, I agree [12:51] <trigallj> He is a naive scoundrel [12:51] <bemused> Interesting that a betting man would single Harry out [12:51] <Val_Halla> I feel a little sorry for Bagman [12:51] <adamgryff> really, I thought that his money was on Harry, but that would explain why the goblins are looking for Bagman [12:51] <futureweasley> too true, too true [12:51] <SoonerGryffindor> in Vegas he would have been in big trouble [12:51] <futureweasley> Val, sorry for Bagman? Why? [12:51] <Expelliarmas> oh, i don't think Bagman is naive at all; a gambling addict, but not naive [12:51] <trigallj> He probably got great odds from the Goblins - Harry under age and all that [12:51] <Pleshette> Interesting that he calls Harry the underdog, when Harry is more experienced than he thinks [12:51] <JaneMarple9> he seems a little like a court jester [12:51] <Val_Halla> He was desperate to pay off his debts [12:52] <JaneMarple9> and of course Ludo means "Play well" [12:52] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder why he would bet on Harry? Since Harry's the underdog, perhaps a bigger payoff? [12:52] <harryfreak359> I agee trigallj, he probably did get better odds with Harry [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so Mr M [12:52] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, trigallj [12:52] <futureweasley> yes, and that's what the Goblins offered [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> bigger odds [12:52] <JaneMarple9> and "Bagman" well...anything could be read into that [12:52] <Expelliarmas> he was desperate to have some of his glory days back; gambling provides that kind of competitive rush [12:52] <harryfreak359> I think so Mr M [12:52] <Poet> Which seems to go against Bagman giving Harry a '10' on the first task. I think a lot of people gambled against Harry, and he would get to keep more money if Harry won? [12:52] <trigallj> He could get great odds, and then help harry win [12:52] <futureweasley> yes, Expie...the glory days were long gond [12:52] <Val_Halla> Bagman is a sad portrait of a washed up athlete [12:52] <futureweasley> *gone [12:52] <harryfreak359> I agree Expie [12:53] <futureweasley> What do you think of Harry's solution to the task? Would you have come up with something different? [12:53] <MrMcGonagall> Bagman's not very clever about rigging a competition. Could he make it a little more obvious? [12:53] <Expelliarmas> he likely could have; but he wasnt that bright [12:53] <bemused> Perhaps that's his one redeeming feature - he's a useless villain! [12:53] <harryfreak359> No I htink that he did a very good job, but if my strength wasn't with a broom, then I wouldn't have done it of course smile [12:53] <Val_Halla> I think Bagman's obviousness just shows how desperate he was [12:53] <adamgryff> I think Harry chose what he could do the best of his ability, [12:53] *** NCMcGonagall has joined #lounge [12:53] <futureweasley> hi NCMcG [12:53] <Poet> It was a chance for Harry to shine. He also gained immediate confidence as soon as he jumped on the broom [12:53] <harryfreak359> hi NCMcG [12:53] <MrMcGonagall> Personally, I thought Fleur was very clever, and she definitely played to her strengths. Each of the champions did, in fact. [12:53] <NCMcGonagall> Hi [12:54] <Poet> Hi NCMcGonagall [12:54] <futureweasley> well, I think that I was expecting him to try some really tricky bit of magic...and possibly fail [12:54] <adamgryff> yes Mr. M just like BCJ told Harry to do [12:54] <futureweasley> I'm glad he did what he knew he could do [12:54] <harryfreak359> Me too Future [12:54] <Val_Halla> I liked Harry's solution better than the one Sirius was going to suggest [12:55] <bemused> It worked better, too [12:55] <harryfreak359> Yes, Val, I wasn't too fond of Sirius's solution [12:55] <NCMcGonagall> It was good for him to learn that he could solve problems without the help of a grown up [12:55] <Val_Halla> Gotta give BCJ credit - it was a clever solution [12:55] <trigallj> Yes - BCJ was better than Sirius [12:55] <bemused> He must have researched it to know how good a flyer Harry was [12:56] <futureweasley> Why doesn’t anyone pretend to be surprised when they pull out the model dragon? Wouldn’t appearing calm make it seem as if they had cheated? [12:56] <MrMcGonagall> Well, they're not actors. [12:56] <harryfreak359> Well, I think they were too nervous to pretend to be surprised [12:56] <Poet> Yes - this is tricky. How do you not overact. [12:56] <adamgryff> Its part of the tournament to cheat so know I don't think anyone would be surprised by it [12:56] <bemused> Yes, but it seemed that they had all cheated and they all knew that had all cheated, and the organisers knew it too [12:56] <Expelliarmas> By then, I think all the organizers knew a certain amount of "help" would have gone on ahead of time [12:56] <trigallj> exactly - McMcg adn h359 [12:57] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, just enough nervousness or grim determination was communicated to pass muster. [12:57] <harryfreak359> And, personally, if it was me and I didn't know, I don't think I would shown any surprise anyways [12:57] <Poet> I always wondered if they could hear the dragons outside the tents as they waited [12:57] <MrMcGonagall> These are supposed to be talented, brave young wizards. [12:57] <Pleshette> They were so focused on how they were going to defeat their dragon [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they were all too nervous to care [12:57] <adamgryff> it would have been more shock than anything [12:57] <Expelliarmas> if it were me, I wouldve passed out cold; advanced info or not [12:57] <Pleshette> That's true Poet [12:57] <harryfreak359> lol Expie [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [12:57] <adamgryff> poor expie [12:58] <MrMcGonagall> My mind would have been reeling and I'd have a totally blank look on my face. Actually, I'd probably just pass out. [12:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I think I would be in the ever-expanding group of people who would have passed out [12:58] <Pleshette> I think Rowling description of Harry's nerves was excellent [12:58] <harryfreak359> I'd probably just stand there, not showing any emotion...because that's how I react to things like that [12:58] <Expelliarmas> see? i'm not alone! [12:58] <Val_Halla> I agree Pleshette [12:58] <harryfreak359> I would probably just show determination [12:59] <bemused> I think I'd have been admiring the model, without connecting it to a real one... [12:59] * SoonerGryffindor passes around the smelling salts [12:59] <Poet> They also wouldn't want to show fear in front of the other champions, in my opinion [12:59] <adamgryff> I would gladly face a dragon today, rather than face anything else [12:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm really surprised someone didnt vomit [12:59] <Expelliarmas> lol! [12:59] <Val_Halla> lol Sooner [12:59] <harryfreak359> ehhh [12:59] <Pleshette> That would've been my reaction Sooner! [12:59] <Expelliarmas> that takes more effort than just passing out [12:59] <Pleshette> lol [12:59] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe [12:59] <Poet> Champions don't toss their cookies (at least when others are watching) wink [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [13:00] <harryfreak359> LOL [13:00] * futureweasley has never passed out in her life... [13:00] <futureweasley> but I'm sure that Dragons would have done it for me [13:00] <bemused> Me neither, future [13:00] * harryfreak359 hasn't either [13:00] <futureweasley> What made Ron decide that Harry wasn’t lying? Was it the danger inherent to the task, Hermione’s prodding, or a slow realization on his own (as in Trelawney’s classroom). [13:00] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, and there's still the element of surprise about which dragon you'll be facing. [13:00] <harryfreak359> No, I don't think that would have done it either...I think the only way to make me pass out is to hit me over the head... [13:00] <JaneMarple9> I'd be pretty frightened of dragons [13:01] <Pleshette> I little bit of each [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> D: All of the above [13:01] <Pleshette> I think deep down Ron knew that Harry wasn't lying [13:01] <bemused> I suspect that Ron really knew it all along, or realised much quicker than he was prepared to sdmit [13:01] <MrMcGonagall> I think a little bit of all of those. [13:01] <harryfreak359> I think it is more of a realization than anything else...but I agree with both [13:01] <adamgryff> I think it took a little of each to make ron see it [13:01] <Poet> I think it was a lot of slow realization - things about the situation not adding up. [13:01] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Pleshette. [13:01] <trigallj> I think it was the danger. [13:01] <Expelliarmas> a very slow [molasses going uphill on a cold day] realization [13:02] *** kaelgirl has quit [Bye] [13:02] <Pleshette> He was just going through a really rough time and Harry's name being pulled was his excuse to shut down for a while [13:02] <bemused> He had a lot of his own dragons to face... [13:02] <adamgryff> yes, and people tend to do stupid stuff during difficult times [13:03] <trigallj> Yes - and when he saw the dragons, and realized the danger, he said to Harry that he reckoned someone was trying to kill him [13:03] <Pleshette> An excuse to focus his anger and frustration [13:03] <harryfreak359> Yes, Adam, that is completely true [13:03] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Harry and Ron should have been able to get over their little difficulty a lot sooner. [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to say that the most upset I have been with Ron was during this time [13:03] <harryfreak359> I was too Sooner [13:03] <JaneMarple9> yes ron was pretty stupid [13:03] <Expelliarmas> But it did make Ron a more believable character [13:03] <JaneMarple9> in the first half of goblet [13:03] <bemused> It's the only time he's really let Harry down (isn't it?) [13:03] <Pleshette> I wanted him to snap out of it a lot sooner [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> me too [13:04] <JaneMarple9> yes I suppose it did make him more believeable [13:04] <futureweasley> What do you think about the ways that the other champions got past the dragons? What do these methods tell us about the individual characters? [13:04] <harryfreak359> When my mom read this part, she told me she thought Ron was being controlled by someone bad...lol [13:04] <trigallj> I think JKR did a great job on this - seems like real guys to me [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think he should have, Pleshette, but Ron can be so stubborn. [13:04] <adamgryff> but in Rons defense sometimes it takes a lot to snap someone out of it [13:04] <Val_Halla> I think this served to strengthen teir friendship in th end [13:04] <JaneMarple9> but he should have trusted Harry's friendship! [13:04] <DA63> I thought the fact that Ron & Harry had a falling out was very powerful.. Harry was on his own [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> I think each character played to their strengths. [13:04] <Poet> Harry finished first, but his method required a lot of patience. [13:04] * SoonerGryffindor thinks that Fleur got screwed by the judges [13:04] <Expelliarmas> harder to admit being wrong than to being right [13:04] <harryfreak359> I think they knew what they could do and used them [13:04] <JaneMarple9> yes their friendship was stronger afterwards [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> she did the best [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> Cedric=transfiguration, Krum=jinx, Fleur=entrancement [13:05] <Pleshette> I can't remember how the others got by, lol [13:05] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner [13:05] <SoonerGryffindor> very good point Mr M [13:05] <Poet> Cedric tried to get the dragon to go for a different victim - so his was diversion [13:05] <Expelliarmas> Fleur's strength is having her robes set on fire? [13:05] <MrMcGonagall> I agree wholeheartedly, Sooner. [13:05] <Pleshette> Oh, thanks Mr.McG! [13:05] <futureweasley> well aren't you just too smart, MrMcG? [13:05] <adamgryff> I couldn't either Pleshette [13:05] <Pleshette> lol [13:05] <Poet> Krum's was straight to the point and had the possiblity of making the dragon mad, so it was less patient [13:05] <futureweasley> I never saw it like that, but it's very accurate [13:05] <Poet> Fleur's was more gentle... [13:06] <Val_Halla> Krum's was also cruel and ended with real eggs being smashed [13:06] <trigallj> didn't harry also use diverson - but his was himself [13:06] <Expelliarmas> and she got burned for being so gentle [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> Cedric=transfiguration, Krum=jinx, Fleur=entrancement <---- so where does Harry fit into this? Escape artist? [13:06] <Poet> Right [13:06] <Expelliarmas> maybe fleur is just an animal lover [13:06] <adamgryff> yes, it did seem to play on their characters a bit which way they chose to approach it [13:06] <Poet> Harry used himself as diversion, he made the dragon want him more than the egg [13:06] <MrMcGonagall> Well, Harry's strength is obviously flying. [13:06] <Expelliarmas> Krum's was also the method Sirius would've suggested [13:06] <harryfreak359> Escape artist I think is true though...he's done it a lot [13:06] <bemused> Harry =quidditch expert [13:06] <MrMcGonagall> He even says in the chapter it's just like Quidditch. [13:07] <Val_Halla> yes, expie, which I found disturbing [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good point Poet. So he used himself as bait [13:07] <trigallj> Krum and Cedric were good flyers, too [13:07] <futureweasley> so, what's the personality trait displayed in his exit strategy [13:07] <bemused> It does reflect on Sirius... [13:07] <Expelliarmas> Krum and Sirius would've attacked the dragon's weakness, the eyes [13:07] <JaneMarple9> harry's way of defeating the dragon [13:07] <JaneMarple9> does seem the best way [13:07] <JaneMarple9> the most logical way...playing to his strengths [13:07] <Poet> (I see the dragon like Voldemort who ignores the protections on his horcruxes because he's focused on killing Harry) [13:07] <JaneMarple9> seeming he is a good flyer [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> Fleur's would have been perfect if it hadn't been for an unfortunate dragon snore. Sooner's right - she got screwed by the judges. [13:08] <Expelliarmas> Cedric transfigured a rock into a dog, so he also used a diversion, which didn't go too well [13:08] <JaneMarple9> I am surprised Krum didn't choose similar [13:08] *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge This post has been edited by SoonerGryffindor: Dec 30 2006, 03:22 PM -------------------- |
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