Corner Booth RG Text Chat transcript 12-30-06, GoF Chapters 20 and 21 |
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[11:52] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [11:58] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [12:00] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [12:01] *** Poet has joined #lounge [12:01] <futureweasley> hi guys [12:01] <harryfreak359> hi everyone smile [12:01] <Poet> hi [12:01] <Poet> hi [12:02] <futureweasley> what's up? [12:02] <SoonerGryffindor> \Hey guys [12:02] <futureweasley> how is the day going? [12:02] <harryfreak359> taking down christmas decorations....it's making me sad [12:02] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [12:02] <futureweasley> hi MrMcG! [12:02] <harryfreak359> Hi Mr.M [12:02] <SoonerGryffindor> Awwww hf [12:03] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, everyone! [12:03] <futureweasley> we had to take Fawkes to the airport this morning...boo! [12:03] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Mr M! [12:03] <harryfreak359> awww [12:03] <Poet> boo indeed [12:03] <SoonerGryffindor> we were all together just yesterday *sniff* [12:03] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [12:03] <Poet> *sigh* [12:03] <futureweasley> hi Jane [12:03] <harryfreak359> Hi Jane [12:03] <JaneMarple9> biggrin Hi everyone! [12:04] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Jane! [12:04] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Jane [12:04] <MrMcGonagall> The OK Mod Convention is breaking up. *sniff* [12:04] <futureweasley> we found another horcrux today! [12:05] <SoonerGryffindor> its so sad, Mr M [12:05] <harryfreak359> really? cool, future! [12:05] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, the evile ticket machine at the airport [12:05] *** bemused has joined #lounge [12:05] <Poet> hehe [12:05] <harryfreak359> LOL [12:05] <SoonerGryffindor> acutally, I think there was more than one there [12:05] <Poet> Did it burn your hands? [12:05] <futureweasley> hi bemused [12:05] <bemused> hello [12:05] <SoonerGryffindor> hi bemused [12:05] <harryfreak359> hi bemused [12:06] <futureweasley> no, no hand burning...thank goodness [12:06] <harryfreak359> good, good biggrin [12:06] <futureweasley> however, the maintenance guy almost got AK'ed...no joke [12:06] <SoonerGryffindor> evidentally, DFW was closed yesterday because there were lots of tornados so the OKC airport this morning was a mess [12:06] <Poet> wow [12:06] <harryfreak359> Tornados? Now? Eek! [12:07] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, I heard about the airport in Dallas cancelling all kinds of flights. Tornadoes all over central and eastern Texas. [12:07] <SoonerGryffindor> endless lines of people. We were all cranky and poor fawkes was getting concerned she would not make her flight [12:07] * harryfreak359 is glad that she doesn't live in Texas anymore [12:07] *** daretodream2 has joined #lounge [12:07] <SoonerGryffindor> hi daretodream [12:08] <daretodream2> hi [12:08] <MrMcGonagall> Wasn't missing her flight part of fawkes' plan to stay in Oklahoma? biggrin [12:08] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [12:08] <harryfreak359> hi daretodream [12:08] <Poet> That's what I thought [12:08] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, dtd! [12:08] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but this morning was crazy [12:08] <Poet> And those wheren't tornadoes in the west country.... [12:08] *** Val_Halla has joined #lounge [12:08] <SoonerGryffindor> hi VH [12:08] <Poet> giants [12:08] <Poet> Hi Val_Halla [12:08] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL Poet [12:08] <harryfreak359> Hi Val halla [12:09] <Val_Halla> hi [12:09] <harryfreak359> LOL [12:09] <MrMcGonagall> Oh, my, giants were rampaging in central Texas? That explains a lot. [12:09] <bemused> Any mist about, Poet? [12:09] <Poet> yep [12:09] <bemused> that's bad... [12:09] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [12:09] <Poet> Quite a bit of mist actually. I could hardly see where I was driving [12:09] <SoonerGryffindor> Hi Pleshette [12:09] <Poet> Howdy Pleshette [12:09] <bemused> Best reach for the chocolate, then [12:09] <harryfreak359> Weird weather lately [12:09] <harryfreak359> hi Pleshette [12:09] <Poet> Thankfully I had chocolate with me [12:09] <Pleshette> Hello, Hello! smile [12:10] <Poet> Always be prepared [12:10] <MrMcGonagall> Hi, Pleshette! [12:10] <bemused> hello Pleshette! [12:10] <MrMcGonagall> Accio chocolate! [12:10] <JaneMarple9> I am here...floating about! [12:10] <Pleshette> Has Oklahoma recovere yet? [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> chocolate always makes thiings better [12:10] <Pleshette> d [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> not quite yet Pleshette [12:10] <harryfreak359> We actually had a fog warning here...which is weird....dementors! [12:10] <MrMcGonagall> Tulsa is having intermittent showers through early afternoon. [12:10] <SoonerGryffindor> its actually getting rather sunny here now [12:11] <Pleshette> It's snowing here right now [12:11] <bemused> It's been pouring in Sussex today [12:11] <JaneMarple9> chocolate is good! [12:11] <harryfreak359> It's bright and sunny here [12:11] <JaneMarple9> You can't have too much! [12:11] <MrMcGonagall> Good! That means it will be sunny in Tulsa soon! Wooty-woo-hoo-wa-hey! [12:11] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL Mr M [12:11] <harryfreak359> lol [12:12] <SoonerGryffindor> so what are everyone's new years plans? [12:12] <Poet> Let's hear a "wa-hey..." Wa-hey! [12:12] <harryfreak359> Umm...well, other than eating a delicious New Year's meal...nothing. [12:12] <SoonerGryffindor> lol hf [12:12] <Poet> Hmmm. I usually have big plans, but I think this year it'll just be my sisters and I hanging out. [12:12] <Pleshette> Sitting on the couch doing absolutely nothing, lol! [12:12] <MrMcGonagall> We have an evening service followed by movie night in my parish. [12:12] <futureweasley> I'll be flying home [12:12] <futureweasley> boo!!! [12:12] <harryfreak359> aww [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> boo indeed [12:13] <bemused> Did you decide on the movie, Mr M? [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I will probably watch football [12:13] <harryfreak359> Whoo hoo football! [12:13] <MrMcGonagall> The Sounds of Music, and people can sing along if they want to. [12:13] <JaneMarple9> New Years Eve...spending it with Leaky! w00t2 [12:13] <daretodream2> so will I SoonerGryffindor [12:13] <JaneMarple9> Never go anywhere at New Year [12:13] <futureweasley> I love the Sound of Music [12:13] <SoonerGryffindor> me neither really. Too much craziness out there [12:13] *** quidditchkate has joined #lounge [12:13] <bemused> Me too [12:14] *** lulubelle has joined #lounge [12:14] <Pleshette> Sounds like a good plan Jane [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> hi quidditchkate [12:14] <quidditchkate> hi [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> hi lulubelle [12:14] <lulubelle> hi there! [12:14] <Poet> I had a friend who'd always watch The Sound of Music with her family on New Year's Eve. [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> okay, we are about to get started guys in like a minute [12:14] <harryfreak359> When is the fiesta bowl? I can't remember... [12:14] <SoonerGryffindor> Jan 1 [12:14] <harryfreak359> Oh, well then I might be watching that [12:15] <harryfreak359> I live about 15 mins away from the stadium [12:15] <lulubelle> go gators! haha [12:15] <futureweasley> anybody but the Buckeyes, PLEASE!! [12:15] <JaneMarple9> see it from your bedroom by the sound of it Harryfreak! [12:15] * SoonerGryffindor is jealous of hf [12:15] *** trigallj has joined #lounge [12:15] <SoonerGryffindor> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [12:16] <SoonerGryffindor> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [12:16] <futureweasley> Hermione works tirelessly to get Harry through the first task–Dragons. She naturally rolls out to the library to research everything there is to know about dragons. On the way to class, Harry spots Cedric and realizes Cedric is the only one who doesn't know about the dragons. Harry decides to clue Cedric in much to Cedric’s surprise. Moody spots them. [12:16] <futureweasley> At Moody’s office, Harry’s surprised when Mad Eye tells him what a "decent" thing he did. Even more surprised when Mad Eye tells him that cheating is a tradition in the tournament, but that he will not help Harry. Moody gives Harry a useful tip--"play to your strengths.” Harry finally figures out his strength–flying. [12:16] <futureweasley> In the next 24 hours, he masters a Summoning Spell (due to a lot of coaching from Hermione)! The day of the task arrives and the panicky feeling in Harry's stomach returns. In the tent with the others, everyone is tense and anxious before the start of the task. Bagman, however, is happy and can't wait to begin. The champions have to collect the golden egg protected by the dragon. [12:17] <futureweasley> Harry gets the Hungarian Horntail which he defeats. He gets the egg and returns to the tent. Ron figures out Harry didn’t put his name in the cup. All the animosity of the last few weeks fades and they’re friends again. Before Harry can get his score Ron fills him in on what the others did, none was as elegant a solution as Harry's. Harry’s score ties him for first with Krum. [12:17] <futureweasley> After sending Sirius a letter, the reunited Trio head down to Harry's "surprise" party in the Common Room – where the real surprise is the egg. Good thing Harry shuts it quickly! What was the noise? The latest recording of the Weird Sisters, perhaps? Neville has a flighty encounter with a cream–and Hermione gets curious about the kitchens. [12:17] <futureweasley> At COMC, the class help Hagrid hibernate hapless Skrewts. Dean gets burned and the Slytherins disappear. Rita is there to watch it all. At Divination, Pluto is giving Harry a hard time – maybe it is just annoyed that some people do not consider it a planet. To cap off the day, Hermione pulls a vanishing act and then insists they follow her to the kitchens. [12:17] <futureweasley> At the kitchens, Dobby’s happy, but Winky’s a mess. She is not wanting any part of Dobby's hard-fought-negotiations for low wages and minimal time off. Winky is homesick and missing Mr. Crouch. But she certainly doesn't care for Mr. Bagman – not at all. After promising Dobby a sweater and visiting rights, they head back to the Common Room. [12:17] <futureweasley> All caught up? Good then let’s get this chat underway! [12:18] <futureweasley> Harry is terrified of facing a dragon, but he realizes that he’d rather do that than have to return to the Dursley’s. What does that say about Harry? What does that say about the Dursleys? [12:18] <SoonerGryffindor> Not very flattering, is it? [12:18] <harryfreak359> Well, the Dursley's are worse than wild dragons...not too nice [12:18] <bemused> Putting it mildly! [12:18] <futureweasley> well, facing Vernon is somewhat like facing a firebreathing dragon [12:19] <MrMcGonagall> At least a dragon can just kill you rather than putting you through years of misery. [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [12:19] <lulubelle> i kind of think harry craves that advenure secretly anyway... [12:19] <lulubelle> lol [12:19] <harryfreak359> lol [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I still think that was a bit of exaggeration on Harry's part [12:19] <MrMcGonagall> Probably so. [12:19] <Poet> It shows that Harry is willing to face his fears to meet his goals. In this case he was willing to do whatever it took to participate in something that Hogwarts put forth to him - even though it wasn't his chosing [12:19] <harryfreak359> It probably was, [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> but the dragon would have been quicker than listening to Vernon [12:19] <futureweasley> the dragon likely has better breath, though [12:19] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [12:19] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Expie [12:19] <Pleshette> lol future [12:19] <harryfreak359> Hi Expie [12:19] <futureweasley> hi Expie [12:19] <lulubelle> hi expie [12:20] <Pleshette> Hi expel! [12:20] <Expelliarmas> Heya Peepers! [12:20] <JaneMarple9> Hi there Expie! [12:20] <Poet> Harry feels more comfortable with magical than non-magical situations. He truely belongs in that world [12:20] <MrMcGonagall> That's true, Poet. [12:20] <lulubelle> that's true [12:20] <harryfreak359> Yes, Poet that is completely true [12:20] <bemused> It's life or death - at the Drusleys the misery is drawn out [12:20] <Pleshette> It goes to show how much Harry hates living with the Dursleys [12:20] <lulubelle> i think this was exaggeration for the sake of humor though, too? [12:21] <MrMcGonagall> Harry does better in those situations that call fro adrenaline. [12:21] <Pleshette> But I do think it was an exaggeration too [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> and Harry also has some control in dealing with the dragons. He has no control at the Dursleys house [12:21] <Poet> Great point bemused . The dragon is a short-lived situation [12:21] <quidditchkate> good point [12:21] <JaneMarple9> Yes fighting a dragon seems slightly more appealing than the Dursleys [12:21] <harryfreak359> Agreed, Sooner, it is much better to have control. [12:21] <bemused> Oh yes - that too lulubelle [12:21] <lulubelle> control- that's a good point [12:21] <futureweasley> it might have been a *slight* exaggeration, but it's not far from the truth [12:21] <lulubelle> agreed, futureweasley [12:21] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, lulu. I also think there was exaggeration [12:21] <JaneMarple9> I suppose Uncle Vernon is like a dragon in a way [12:21] <bemused> More like a hippo.... [12:21] <quidditchkate> plus someone might step in before he gets mauled at the triwizard tourney....no one can protect him from the dursleys [12:21] <Pleshette> True, but a dragon isn't the same as a blast-ended skrewt... [12:22] <JaneMarple9> biggrin [12:22] <Poet> The dragon has been brought to Hogwarts, which is Harry's arena. At the Dursleys, it's like Harry's playing "an away" game. [12:22] <lulubelle> hey, even if there is exaggeration, exaggeration requires some truth. i guess that's what we're all saying. and there's definitely truth to that. [12:22] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good point Poet [12:22] <Pleshette> There is a very real danger there, even though Charlie and gang are there to step in [12:22] <lulubelle> yea that is [12:22] <harryfreak359> Nice point Pioet [12:22] <futureweasley> Both Moody and Bagman offer to help Harry figure out the First Task. Since Harry has already gotten help from Moody, why is he so adamant about not accepting help from Bagman? [12:22] <Pleshette> Bagman is a judge [12:22] <harryfreak359> Well, I don't think Harry is the kind to cheat at all, and Bagman is a judge [12:23] <quidditchkate> i think he sees bagman as a little sketchy too [12:23] <trigallj> Also, Bagman is smarmy [12:23] <quidditchkate> he trusts moody because dumbledore does [12:23] <MrMcGonagall> Somehow what Bagman is doing is even more unethical, I think, especially given his official position. [12:23] <Expelliarmas> Harry doesn't trust Bagman [12:23] <Val_Halla> Harry trusts Moody because he was an auror [12:23] <bemused> Bagman is also foing it for himself, not for Harry - and Moody at least makes him feel that he's working it out for himself [12:23] <Pleshette> If he's giving Harry help it's an unfair advantage over the others...a bit suspicious [12:23] <bemused> *doing! [12:23] <Expelliarmas> And Moody was more clever about hiding his help; he tells Harry he's not going to help him [12:23] <harryfreak359> Yes, Expie [12:23] <MrMcGonagall> What Bagman suggests seems more like direct cheating, rather than advice. [12:23] <quidditchkate> exactly [12:23] <Pleshette> I agree [12:24] <daretodream2> true [12:24] <Poet> Bagman is a judge, exactly. He has no reason to be helping Harry, so Harry definitely concerned. Moody is a teacher at the school that Harry is representing, so Harry thinks he understands. [12:24] <lulubelle> me too [12:24] <JaneMarple9> I thought Moody was being extra kind at first read [12:24] <harryfreak359> Yeah, Bagman's offer to help does seem a lot more like cheating [12:24] <Pleshette> Me too Jane [12:24] <lulubelle> there's more reason to question intentions with bagman [12:24] <Val_Halla> Moddy also makes it seem he's only leveling the playing field [12:24] <Val_Halla> since Harry is younger [12:24] <JaneMarple9> yes Val_Halla [12:24] <Poet> And supposedly all the champions are getting help from someone from their respective school, but not from Bagman [12:24] <JaneMarple9> giving Harry a helping hand [12:24] <harryfreak359> That's what Bagman sad he was doing though [12:24] <lulubelle> true, poet [12:24] <Pleshette> Moody doesn't give Harry the answer either, he prompts Harry to reach the conclusion himself on how to face the dragon [12:24] <futureweasley> right, I agree...Bagman isn't one I would willingly accept advice from...he might be stacking the chips in the interest of his pocket [12:25] <JaneMarple9> as he was sure Harry would tell Cedric about dragons in the end [12:25] <harryfreak359> I agree Future [12:25] <JaneMarple9> but Bagman is connected with the Ministry [12:25] <Poet> Yep, especially with that score we see him give Harry in the first task later [12:25] <JaneMarple9> Bad thing in Harry's eyes [12:25] <lulubelle> another good point [12:25] <futureweasley> so is Fudge...and I don't trust him either [12:25] <Pleshette> Exactly Poet [12:25] <Val_Halla> Moody's apparent reason for helping is to protect Harry [12:25] <JaneMarple9> Fudge is highly untrustworthy [12:25] <lulubelle> harry is starting to distrust the ministry in book 3 [12:26] <Pleshette> And Harry even realizes that the score isn't fair [12:26] <lulubelle> absolutely [12:26] <JaneMarple9> and Crouch isn't far behind [12:26] <quidditchkate> and dumbledore doesnt have a great relationship with the ministry....and harry values dumbledores opinion [12:26] <JaneMarple9> I don't think harry liked Fudge muchg from their first "meeting" [12:26] <futureweasley> Why do you think Harry had such a "block" about learning the Summoning Charm? [12:26] <harryfreak359> Bagman just seems more suspicious [12:26] <JaneMarple9> in Hagrids cabin when he went to Azakaban [12:27] <Poet> It's a short time before the tournament. Nerves can hurt your ability to perform well (or learn well) [12:27] <harryfreak359> Well, when you have to learn how to do something so quickly when it's so important, it's kind of easy to get a "block" [12:27] <daretodream2> I think we all have those things that don't come easy to us, this was one of Harry's [12:27] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [12:27] <Pleshette> Because it required a lot of concentration on his part. [12:27] <MrMcGonagall> True, dtd. [12:27] <bemused> Because he needed to learn it - desparation blocking concentration [12:27] <futureweasley> I think he's fighting with Ron, and he's just not concentrating [12:27] <JaneMarple9> Bagman's more like Fred and George, there for comic value [12:27] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, Harry has plenty to distract him at the moment. [12:27] <JaneMarple9> Yes fighting with Ron is a big distraction [12:27] <quidditchkate> i think its important that harrry couldnt get it at first....another hurdle to overcome [12:27] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it was because he was fighting too [12:27] <futureweasley> I think it's Harry's own special brand of ADD kicking in [12:27] <JaneMarple9> hasn't got ron to discuss things with [12:27] <Pleshette> Knowing you *have* to master something often hinders progress [12:28] <Poet> Also, not only will Harry have to summon the broom, but do so from a long distance. He has to learn the spell and prefect it. [12:28] *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge [12:28] <harryfreak359> I agre Pleshette [12:28] <Expelliarmas> Harry seems to learn best when he's under pressure; the reverse of Hermione [12:28] <futureweasley> right Pleshette, I agree [12:28] <futureweasley> hi kaelgirl [12:28] <harryfreak359> *agree [12:28] <Poet> Harry's own life is on the line [12:28] <harryfreak359> hi kaelgirl [12:28] <Pleshette> Hi kaelgirl [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> let's face it.... if Harry doesnt want to learn something, he procrastinates a lot [12:28] <lulubelle> hi kaelgirl [12:28] <Val_Halla> As readers, it was nice to see that harry isn't great at everything [12:28] <kaelgirl> hello everyone [12:28] <futureweasley> that's right Poet...he is highly aware of that, too [12:28] <harryfreak359> That's truee too Sooner [12:28] <Val_Halla> he has to work like everyone else [12:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that about hiim Val [12:28] <JaneMarple9> yes Harry does has his weakness [12:28] <lulubelle> yea definitely [12:28] <Poet> Too true - Harry does well in action, not always in practice [12:29] <quidditchkate> he rises to the occasion [12:29] <JaneMarple9> everybody has their weak spot [12:29] <lulubelle> weaknesses in the plural actually [12:29] <lulubelle> definitely [12:29] <Pleshette> And knowing that it has to be mastered in order to get by a fire-breathing dragon is unnerving [12:29] <MrMcGonagall> And being a champion offers a perfect opportunity to slough off classwork, as you aren't going sit exams at the end of the year. [12:29] <JaneMarple9> their achilles heel [12:29] <trigallj> Harry is not especially good at things that don't require human emotions - he's good at Patronus cause it requires thinking something happy. [12:29] <bemused> But when it comes to it, it's usually Harry's own skill that carries him through [12:29] <harryfreak359> Yes, Mr.M, but they are going to have to do the work anyways, even if they don't realize it [12:29] <kaelgirl> I sorta know how Harry feels when under pressure. He's not this perfect person who can figure everything out in one go. [12:29] <futureweasley> Each of the champions has to face a different species of dragon. Harry ends up getting the worst of the lot, but why were dragons of varying degrees of viciousness selected for the task? Why weren’t four of the same species of dragon brought for the champions? [12:30] <harryfreak359> I thought this was kind of unfair [12:30] <bemused> Adds to the element of chance and challenge [12:30] <futureweasley> that's just Harry's luck, isn't it? [12:30] <harryfreak359> But I agree, Bemused, it makes it harder [12:30] <quidditchkate> also it could prevent one champion from copying another [12:30] <MrMcGonagall> True, that hardly seemed to create a level playing field in the task [12:30] <Val_Halla> More interesting for the spectators [12:30] <kaelgirl> I would hate it if I got the worst of the lot [12:30] <JaneMarple9> it shows the variety of dragons [12:30] <JaneMarple9> that some dragons are fiercier than others [12:31] <JaneMarple9> yeah more interesting for spectators [12:31] <Pleshette> It really is unfair now that I think about it though [12:31] <Poet> I agree that it would make it harder for the later champions to copy what an earlier champion had done, even though they can't see what is happening [12:31] <kaelgirl> it would've made sense to give everyone the same though... [12:31] <lulubelle> i like that point, quidditchkate [12:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I wondered that myself, but then you would still have different dragons [12:31] <kaelgirl> they should've awarded more points to those who got the harder dragons [12:31] <MrMcGonagall> A great amount of effort seems to be put into making the tasks interesting for the spectators, as well, rather like gladiatorial combat. [12:31] <lulubelle> haha yea especially for harry, sheesh [12:32] <Pleshette> I agree kaelgirl [12:32] <futureweasley> I think that the dragons might have some sort of representation OTHER than just being different species [12:32] <bemused> It over-rode the cheating to an extent - even if they knew it was dragons, they couldn't know which dragon [12:32] <trigallj> Kind of like bull riding - not all the bulls are the same [12:32] <Expelliarmas> There have to be 4 different types as the challenges are supposed to test the champions' ability to adapt [12:32] <lulubelle> but for the sake of the story, harry really just had to have the toughest time of it [12:32] <Poet> And maybe Jo was wanting to teach us something [12:32] <Val_Halla> I agree bemused [12:32] <Poet> Great point bemused [12:32] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [12:32] <harryfreak359> I agee Bemused [12:33] <harryfreak359> *agree [12:33] <JaneMarple9> good point bemused [12:33] <futureweasley> We finally see Ron and Harry make up! Why do you think Ron decided to seek Harry out for reconciliation at this point? [12:33] <JaneMarple9> never thought of that [12:33] <JaneMarple9> Ron was terrified for Harry [12:33] <lulubelle> his friendship won out. he was scared for him [12:33] <Expelliarmas> I think he was shocked--Ron, not Harry [12:33] <Pleshette> I think it was a kind of wake up call for Ron [12:33] <bemused> Seeing Harry face death made him see how much their friendship meant [12:33] <JaneMarple9> He was impressed the way he dealt with the dragon [12:33] <lulubelle> wake up call, definitely [12:33] <MrMcGonagall> I think he realized Harry could not possibly have wanted this for himself. These tasks really are life-threatening. [12:33] <daretodream2> I agree with wake up call [12:33] <harryfreak359> Finally! (boys...) And Ron was worried about Harry, and I think that it kind of made him realize what was going on [12:33] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Expie and Pleshette. [12:33] <bemused> Good point Mr M [12:34] <Pleshette> That Harry was facing real danger, and the pettiness really had to be put aside [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I think that Ron tried to approach him before the task, but didnt have the guts to do it yet [12:34] <quidditchkate> i agree pleshette [12:34] *** daretodream2 left #lounge [] [12:34] <SoonerGryffindor> he realized after the task would be the best time [12:34] <futureweasley> Ron realized he was the most ridiculous jerk, and Harry realized that he did everything to perpetuate the situation...they were both to blame [12:34] <Poet> Yes, I think it was shock - I don't think Ron had to conscious get up his nerve and go approach Harry to makeup. [12:34] <Pleshette> yeah Sooner, I agree [12:34] <JaneMarple9> I think Ron wanted to make up with harry [12:34] <harryfreak359> Perhaps Sooner [12:34] <JaneMarple9> when he came to the common room [12:34] <JaneMarple9> when Harry was talking with sirius [12:34] *** DA63 has joined #lounge [12:34] <Expelliarmas> well, they "made up" [12:34] <Poet> I think so as well JaneMarple9. I think Ron had been wanting to make up for a bit. [12:34] <JaneMarple9> but it was exactly the wrong time [12:35] <harryfreak359> I think so too, Jane [12:35] <lulubelle> ahhh yea i agree. ron kept seeing how irrational it was to think harry haddesired all this [12:35] <bemused> I think you could be right, Jane - but they're both very stubborn [12:35] <JaneMarple9> thats boys for you biggrin [12:35] <lulubelle> they're boys, of course they're stubborn smile [12:35] <Expelliarmas> Ron had more time to reflect on what he'd accused Harry of doing [12:35] <Pleshette> lol [12:35] <JaneMarple9> biggrin echo! [12:35] <lulubelle> hahaha [12:35] <MrMcGonagall> It's a guy thing. They communicate in very few words. [12:35] <SoonerGryffindor> or with fists [12:35] <futureweasley> Amen, MrMcG [12:35] <JaneMarple9> they grunt more than talk! [12:35] <Pleshette> Who can outlast the other being stubborn [12:35] <harryfreak359> Yup, MrM [12:35] <JaneMarple9> yeah sooner [12:36] <lulubelle> it's true. so that just means that it took the fear of harry being mauled by dragons to wake him up [12:36] <harryfreak359> and Sooner [12:36] <futureweasley> What do you think of Harry telling Cedric--he didn't have to? Why is it so important to Harry for all the competitors to be on equal footing? [12:36] <lulubelle> i have to run. bye everyone. [12:36] <harryfreak359> bye lullubelle [12:36] <Pleshette> Bye lulu [12:36] <Expelliarmas> Harry is essentially all about being fair [12:36] *** quidditchkate has quit [Bye] [12:36] *** lulubelle has quit [Bye] [12:36] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's Harry's innate sense of what's fair. [12:36] <harryfreak359> Becaue that is the kind of person Harry is [12:36] <JaneMarple9> it shows Harry is always fair... [12:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it is so awesome of him. He felt bad about having an advantage, I think [12:36] <Val_Halla> Harry liked Cedric when he wasn't busy being jealous [12:36] <harryfreak359> He wants to be fair [12:37] <JaneMarple9> except when it concerns Snape! [12:37] <bemused> He's very fair minded anyway, and he really deosn't like the sense that he's being helped because he's younger [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree bemused [12:37] <MrMcGonagall> It also shows Harry doesn't really have anything against Cedric. [12:37] <Val_Halla> Harry knows how it feels to be treated unfairly [12:37] <Pleshette> I think Harry remembered Cedric's fairness and decency last year during the Quidditch match that Gryffindor lost [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> not until Cho anyways [12:37] <JaneMarple9> yes Val [12:37] <futureweasley> I think Harry's just like that...he thinks having that sort of advantage would "cheapen" any other person's victory [12:37] <futureweasley> it's not just for Cedric, it's for the other contestants, too [12:37] <Val_Halla> true Pleshette [12:37] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry never asked to be helped along. Its not like he went out looking to cheat [12:38] <harryfreak359> Agreed Sooner [12:38] <Poet> Harry wants to win on his own terms - like Krum in the World Cup. He doesn't want some sort of hand-out. [12:38] <Pleshette> Right Sooner [12:38] <Expelliarmas> Harry would've done the decent thing regardless; it was obvious Cedric was the only one without any idea of what was coming [12:38] <futureweasley> yes Poet...I agree [12:38] <JaneMarple9> help just finds Harry! [12:38] <MrMcGonagall> Good point, Poet. [12:38] <Val_Halla> I agree Expie [12:38] *** Ginnyous has joined #lounge [12:38] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> hi gunnyous [12:38] <futureweasley> hi adam [12:38] <SoonerGryffindor> HI adam [12:38] <Pleshette> Hi ginnyous [12:38] <JaneMarple9> hi there adam [12:38] <futureweasley> hi ginnyous [12:38] <Pleshette> Hi adam [12:38] <Ginnyous> hi guys [12:38] <adamgryff> hi [12:39] <Poet> Harry shows that he also doesn't want harm coming to the others involved in the Triwizard Tournament [12:39] <harryfreak359> hi ginnyous [12:39] <harryfreak359> hi Adam [12:39] <futureweasley> What do you think of the description of Mad Eye's office? How does it reflect it's inhabitant? [12:39] <Pleshette> Did anyone find it odd that Harry didn't tell Cedric that he split his bag? [12:39] <Poet> yeah [12:39] <Expelliarmas> I don't know that it does reflect its inhabitant [12:39] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [12:39] <JaneMarple9> it just seemed irreverant [12:39] <adamgryff> the description is just creepy, not a place I would want to be [12:40] <Ginnyous> hi green [12:40] <JaneMarple9> because how else would harry get him alone? [12:40] <Greeneyes15> hi guys [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> Very reflective of Moody. How well BC Jr. plays the game. [12:40] <JaneMarple9> Moody's office seems like a Aurors office [12:40] <Poet> It is an example of fake Moody showing that he is Moody. I agree MrMcGonagall [12:40] <futureweasley> it, to me, sounded like a place of someone was trying to hide who is really was. with the foe glass and all [12:40] <Val_Halla> In hindsight, I find it amusing that Moody made a point of saying the Sneakoscopes were going off constantly because of students [12:40] <bemused> I wondered if the sneakoscopes and wot-not were actually Moody's thing, reacting to Crouch Jnr [12:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if it was reflective of real Mad eye, or BCJ? [12:40] <JaneMarple9> just how a Auror office would be [12:40] <futureweasley> right, in hindsight [12:40] <futureweasley> sorry [12:40] <Poet> Yes Val_Halla [12:40] <Poet> I loved that part [12:40] <harryfreak359> Well, i think that it kind of was a little worrying...I mean, having someone in the school with all that defense stuff in there...kind of creepy. And I think it did reflect Moody. [12:40] <MrMcGonagall> I think real Madeye. [12:40] *** Ginnyous left #lounge [] [12:41] <JaneMarple9> I think it reflected Moody's at first [12:41] <Pleshette> It just seemed like the office of an Auror [12:41] <JaneMarple9> but then the BCJ's traits came through [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Mr M. Maybe that's how MCJ interpreted the real Mad-Eye would have his room [12:41] <MrMcGonagall> I find it interesting he disabled the Sneakascope and explained away the humming Secrecy Sensor. [12:41] <Expelliarmas> I wondered about the foe glass and what it was seeing and on whose behalf [12:41] <Poet> Also, the room of course had a double purpose for its inhabitant. [12:41] *** adamgryff has quit [Bye] [12:41] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Expie' [12:41] <Val_Halla> Yeah, Mr M [12:41] <futureweasley> he did do all those things, MrMcG...and he saw "himself" in the FoeGlass [12:41] <JaneMarple9> yes MrMcG, very convienient explanation [12:42] <Expelliarmas> was it seeing on the real Mad-Eye's behalf or was it seeing on BCJ's behalf? very confusing [12:42] <Poet> It looked like a Moody room, but it had the equal ability to help fake Moody [12:42] <MrMcGonagall> It is a bit confusing, Expie. [12:42] <Val_Halla> he had to have the dark detectors to be like the real Moody, but they were detecting him [12:42] <SoonerGryffindor> why is that Poet? because of the trunk you mean? [12:42] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [12:42] <bemused> I think the dark detectors were Moody's, reacting to Crouch - I think! [12:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I too wondered if they were reacting to him [12:43] <Poet> Because fake Moody had the need to watch his back, and many of the objects could keep an eye out for people l like Snape or DD coming along [12:43] <JaneMarple9> makes sense Bemused [12:43] <harryfreak359> I thought that they were [12:43] <JaneMarple9> never thought of that before [12:43] <trigallj> Hmmm - the Foe Glass was definitely BCJ foes [12:43] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [12:43] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, makes you wonder if a Foe Glass is charmed by its owner or something. [12:43] <futureweasley> Is "Moody" really impressed that Harry told Cedric, or annoyed since his goal is to keep him in lead through the end of Tournament? [12:43] <Pleshette> I wondered that too Mr.McG [12:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I think annoyed, but he could not let it show [12:43] <Expelliarmas> I think he was seeing it as a helpful tool to sneak hints to Harry later on [12:43] <bemused> That part puzzles me, future, 'cos he really does seem impressed [12:43] <Val_Halla> I think he is probably annoyed [12:44] <harryfreak359> I think that he might actually be impressed...I don't know why [12:44] <Expelliarmas> BCJ played all the angles [12:44] <adamgryff> I think he was annoyed [12:44] <SoonerGryffindor> it had to have made his job harder [12:44] <JaneMarple9> i think he was annoyed [12:44] <Poet> I think fake Moody used that as a ploy to get Harry talking [12:44] <MrMcGonagall> BCJ knows what a noble thing looks like - he just wouldn't do it himself. [12:44] <Pleshette> probably annoyed but couldn't let it show [12:44] <JaneMarple9> puzzled why his master couldn't defeat a mere boy [12:45] <Val_Halla> BCJ was probably thinking to himself "that darned goody two shoes" [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> lol VH [12:45] <harryfreak359> lol [12:45] <Expelliarmas> oh, I think BCJ knows Harry is not a mere boy [12:45] <JaneMarple9> or words to that effect! [12:45] <SoonerGryffindor> that had to be going through his mind [12:45] <harryfreak359> I agree Expie [12:45] <bemused> He may be intrigued by Harry, given his history with LV [12:45] <JaneMarple9> yes bemused [12:45] <JaneMarple9> I can see him being intrigued by harry [12:45] <JaneMarple9> maybe slightly pleased to be teaching him [12:46] <futureweasley> Will "Crouch's" tip to Harry help him at any other time? Is this an example of the bad guys helping Harry without knowing it? [12:46] <JaneMarple9> making sure he doesn't teach him too much [12:46] <Poet> I think Moody used that "line" to get into a conversation about the tournament & to show that the champions were all getting help (and it was ok) [12:46] <trigallj> His orders from LV are to get Harry to the portkey - I think Harry helping Cedric annoyed BCJ cause it made his job harder [12:46] <MrMcGonagall> Oooh, good question. [12:46] <Pleshette> I agree trigallj [12:46] * adamgryff is thinking on that one [12:46] <bemused> It's certainly helpful to give Harry the idea of playing on his strengths [12:47] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so. [12:47] <JaneMarple9> yeah, We first think it is a good guy, helping harry [12:47] <harryfreak359> I think so [12:47] <Val_Halla> I think BCJ taught things to Harry pretty freely to gain his trust because he expected him to die soon [12:47] <Expelliarmas> he just reinforced the idea in harry's head that he's an excellent flyer [12:47] <JaneMarple9> he is encouraging Harry to use his strengths [12:47] <JaneMarple9> he even has to tell him what they are [12:47] <JaneMarple9> Harry is very naive sometimes [12:47] <Pleshette> Sure, and it's the Summoning charm that allows Harry to escape LV in the graveyard [12:47] <Poet> He is preparing Harry for the type of help he will be giving him. [12:48] <futureweasley> I think it is, for sure [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> I think its great advice for anyone no matter what situation they find themsleves in [12:48] <adamgryff> i would have to agree with the using of streghths [12:48] <Pleshette> Essentially, it's BCJ's fault that Harry escapes [12:48] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner [12:48] <SoonerGryffindor> another lesson that Jo is imparting to us [12:48] <futureweasley> at this point in Harry's "magical" career...any "tips" are likely to help him form up his skills...skills he hasn't even practiced yet [12:48] <Poet> And its an example of things Voldemort does coming back to bite him in the end - Harry becomes more prepared all the time [12:49] <adamgryff> true future [12:49] <harryfreak359> I agree both Future and Poet [12:49] <Expelliarmas> Yes, Hermione is around to help Harry with his weaknesses [12:49] <futureweasley> What do you think of Bagman's willingness to help Harry cheat? [12:49] <harryfreak359> Suspicious [12:49] <bemused> Slimey... [12:49] <Expelliarmas> Bagman = lowlife [12:49] <trigallj> Bagman bet on Harry [12:50] <MrMcGonagall> Bagman is not a pleasant man. I totally agree with Winky about his character. [12:50] <SoonerGryffindor> unsurprising [12:50] <adamgryff> I think it was not the greatest of things [12:50] <DA63> Harry is becoming VD equal [12:50] <Val_Halla> It was so obvious in the end I had to smack my forehead [12:50] <futureweasley> yes trigallj, I think that an absence of Bagman's "tips" would indicate that his money was AGAINST Harry [12:50] <harryfreak359> Yup, I agree [12:51] <trigallj> He is a naive scoundrel [12:51] <bemused> Interesting that a betting man would single Harry out [12:51] <Val_Halla> I feel a little sorry for Bagman [12:51] <adamgryff> really, I thought that his money was on Harry, but that would explain why the goblins are looking for Bagman [12:51] <futureweasley> too true, too true [12:51] <SoonerGryffindor> in Vegas he would have been in big trouble [12:51] <futureweasley> Val, sorry for Bagman? Why? [12:51] <Expelliarmas> oh, i don't think Bagman is naive at all; a gambling addict, but not naive [12:51] <trigallj> He probably got great odds from the Goblins - Harry under age and all that [12:51] <Pleshette> Interesting that he calls Harry the underdog, when Harry is more experienced than he thinks [12:51] <JaneMarple9> he seems a little like a court jester [12:51] <Val_Halla> He was desperate to pay off his debts [12:52] <JaneMarple9> and of course Ludo means "Play well" [12:52] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder why he would bet on Harry? Since Harry's the underdog, perhaps a bigger payoff? [12:52] <harryfreak359> I agee trigallj, he probably did get better odds with Harry [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so Mr M [12:52] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, trigallj [12:52] <futureweasley> yes, and that's what the Goblins offered [12:52] <SoonerGryffindor> bigger odds [12:52] <JaneMarple9> and "Bagman" well...anything could be read into that [12:52] <Expelliarmas> he was desperate to have some of his glory days back; gambling provides that kind of competitive rush [12:52] <harryfreak359> I think so Mr M [12:52] <Poet> Which seems to go against Bagman giving Harry a '10' on the first task. I think a lot of people gambled against Harry, and he would get to keep more money if Harry won? [12:52] <trigallj> He could get great odds, and then help harry win [12:52] <futureweasley> yes, Expie...the glory days were long gond [12:52] <Val_Halla> Bagman is a sad portrait of a washed up athlete [12:52] <futureweasley> *gone [12:52] <harryfreak359> I agree Expie [12:53] <futureweasley> What do you think of Harry's solution to the task? Would you have come up with something different? [12:53] <MrMcGonagall> Bagman's not very clever about rigging a competition. Could he make it a little more obvious? [12:53] <Expelliarmas> he likely could have; but he wasnt that bright [12:53] <bemused> Perhaps that's his one redeeming feature - he's a useless villain! [12:53] <harryfreak359> No I htink that he did a very good job, but if my strength wasn't with a broom, then I wouldn't have done it of course smile [12:53] <Val_Halla> I think Bagman's obviousness just shows how desperate he was [12:53] <adamgryff> I think Harry chose what he could do the best of his ability, [12:53] *** NCMcGonagall has joined #lounge [12:53] <futureweasley> hi NCMcG [12:53] <Poet> It was a chance for Harry to shine. He also gained immediate confidence as soon as he jumped on the broom [12:53] <harryfreak359> hi NCMcG [12:53] <MrMcGonagall> Personally, I thought Fleur was very clever, and she definitely played to her strengths. Each of the champions did, in fact. [12:53] <NCMcGonagall> Hi [12:54] <Poet> Hi NCMcGonagall [12:54] <futureweasley> well, I think that I was expecting him to try some really tricky bit of magic...and possibly fail [12:54] <adamgryff> yes Mr. M just like BCJ told Harry to do [12:54] <futureweasley> I'm glad he did what he knew he could do [12:54] <harryfreak359> Me too Future [12:54] <Val_Halla> I liked Harry's solution better than the one Sirius was going to suggest [12:55] <bemused> It worked better, too [12:55] <harryfreak359> Yes, Val, I wasn't too fond of Sirius's solution [12:55] <NCMcGonagall> It was good for him to learn that he could solve problems without the help of a grown up [12:55] <Val_Halla> Gotta give BCJ credit - it was a clever solution [12:55] <trigallj> Yes - BCJ was better than Sirius [12:55] <bemused> He must have researched it to know how good a flyer Harry was [12:56] <futureweasley> Why doesn’t anyone pretend to be surprised when they pull out the model dragon? Wouldn’t appearing calm make it seem as if they had cheated? [12:56] <MrMcGonagall> Well, they're not actors. [12:56] <harryfreak359> Well, I think they were too nervous to pretend to be surprised [12:56] <Poet> Yes - this is tricky. How do you not overact. [12:56] <adamgryff> Its part of the tournament to cheat so know I don't think anyone would be surprised by it [12:56] <bemused> Yes, but it seemed that they had all cheated and they all knew that had all cheated, and the organisers knew it too [12:56] <Expelliarmas> By then, I think all the organizers knew a certain amount of "help" would have gone on ahead of time [12:56] <trigallj> exactly - McMcg adn h359 [12:57] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, just enough nervousness or grim determination was communicated to pass muster. [12:57] <harryfreak359> And, personally, if it was me and I didn't know, I don't think I would shown any surprise anyways [12:57] <Poet> I always wondered if they could hear the dragons outside the tents as they waited [12:57] <MrMcGonagall> These are supposed to be talented, brave young wizards. [12:57] <Pleshette> They were so focused on how they were going to defeat their dragon [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I think they were all too nervous to care [12:57] <adamgryff> it would have been more shock than anything [12:57] <Expelliarmas> if it were me, I wouldve passed out cold; advanced info or not [12:57] <Pleshette> That's true Poet [12:57] <harryfreak359> lol Expie [12:57] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [12:57] <adamgryff> poor expie [12:58] <MrMcGonagall> My mind would have been reeling and I'd have a totally blank look on my face. Actually, I'd probably just pass out. [12:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I think I would be in the ever-expanding group of people who would have passed out [12:58] <Pleshette> I think Rowling description of Harry's nerves was excellent [12:58] <harryfreak359> I'd probably just stand there, not showing any emotion...because that's how I react to things like that [12:58] <Expelliarmas> see? i'm not alone! [12:58] <Val_Halla> I agree Pleshette [12:58] <harryfreak359> I would probably just show determination [12:59] <bemused> I think I'd have been admiring the model, without connecting it to a real one... [12:59] * SoonerGryffindor passes around the smelling salts [12:59] <Poet> They also wouldn't want to show fear in front of the other champions, in my opinion [12:59] <adamgryff> I would gladly face a dragon today, rather than face anything else [12:59] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm really surprised someone didnt vomit [12:59] <Expelliarmas> lol! [12:59] <Val_Halla> lol Sooner [12:59] <harryfreak359> ehhh [12:59] <Pleshette> That would've been my reaction Sooner! [12:59] <Expelliarmas> that takes more effort than just passing out [12:59] <Pleshette> lol [12:59] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe [12:59] <Poet> Champions don't toss their cookies (at least when others are watching) wink [13:00] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [13:00] <harryfreak359> LOL [13:00] * futureweasley has never passed out in her life... [13:00] <futureweasley> but I'm sure that Dragons would have done it for me [13:00] <bemused> Me neither, future [13:00] * harryfreak359 hasn't either [13:00] <futureweasley> What made Ron decide that Harry wasn’t lying? Was it the danger inherent to the task, Hermione’s prodding, or a slow realization on his own (as in Trelawney’s classroom). [13:00] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, and there's still the element of surprise about which dragon you'll be facing. [13:00] <harryfreak359> No, I don't think that would have done it either...I think the only way to make me pass out is to hit me over the head... [13:00] <JaneMarple9> I'd be pretty frightened of dragons [13:01] <Pleshette> I little bit of each [13:01] <SoonerGryffindor> D: All of the above [13:01] <Pleshette> I think deep down Ron knew that Harry wasn't lying [13:01] <bemused> I suspect that Ron really knew it all along, or realised much quicker than he was prepared to sdmit [13:01] <MrMcGonagall> I think a little bit of all of those. [13:01] <harryfreak359> I think it is more of a realization than anything else...but I agree with both [13:01] <adamgryff> I think it took a little of each to make ron see it [13:01] <Poet> I think it was a lot of slow realization - things about the situation not adding up. [13:01] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Pleshette. [13:01] <trigallj> I think it was the danger. [13:01] <Expelliarmas> a very slow [molasses going uphill on a cold day] realization [13:02] *** kaelgirl has quit [Bye] [13:02] <Pleshette> He was just going through a really rough time and Harry's name being pulled was his excuse to shut down for a while [13:02] <bemused> He had a lot of his own dragons to face... [13:02] <adamgryff> yes, and people tend to do stupid stuff during difficult times [13:03] <trigallj> Yes - and when he saw the dragons, and realized the danger, he said to Harry that he reckoned someone was trying to kill him [13:03] <Pleshette> An excuse to focus his anger and frustration [13:03] <harryfreak359> Yes, Adam, that is completely true [13:03] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Harry and Ron should have been able to get over their little difficulty a lot sooner. [13:03] <SoonerGryffindor> I have to say that the most upset I have been with Ron was during this time [13:03] <harryfreak359> I was too Sooner [13:03] <JaneMarple9> yes ron was pretty stupid [13:03] <Expelliarmas> But it did make Ron a more believable character [13:03] <JaneMarple9> in the first half of goblet [13:03] <bemused> It's the only time he's really let Harry down (isn't it?) [13:03] <Pleshette> I wanted him to snap out of it a lot sooner [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> me too [13:04] <JaneMarple9> yes I suppose it did make him more believeable [13:04] <futureweasley> What do you think about the ways that the other champions got past the dragons? What do these methods tell us about the individual characters? [13:04] <harryfreak359> When my mom read this part, she told me she thought Ron was being controlled by someone bad...lol [13:04] <trigallj> I think JKR did a great job on this - seems like real guys to me [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think he should have, Pleshette, but Ron can be so stubborn. [13:04] <adamgryff> but in Rons defense sometimes it takes a lot to snap someone out of it [13:04] <Val_Halla> I think this served to strengthen teir friendship in th end [13:04] <JaneMarple9> but he should have trusted Harry's friendship! [13:04] <DA63> I thought the fact that Ron & Harry had a falling out was very powerful.. Harry was on his own [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> I think each character played to their strengths. [13:04] <Poet> Harry finished first, but his method required a lot of patience. [13:04] * SoonerGryffindor thinks that Fleur got screwed by the judges [13:04] <Expelliarmas> harder to admit being wrong than to being right [13:04] <harryfreak359> I think they knew what they could do and used them [13:04] <JaneMarple9> yes their friendship was stronger afterwards [13:04] <SoonerGryffindor> she did the best [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> Cedric=transfiguration, Krum=jinx, Fleur=entrancement [13:05] <Pleshette> I can't remember how the others got by, lol [13:05] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner [13:05] <SoonerGryffindor> very good point Mr M [13:05] <Poet> Cedric tried to get the dragon to go for a different victim - so his was diversion [13:05] <Expelliarmas> Fleur's strength is having her robes set on fire? [13:05] <MrMcGonagall> I agree wholeheartedly, Sooner. [13:05] <Pleshette> Oh, thanks Mr.McG! [13:05] <futureweasley> well aren't you just too smart, MrMcG? [13:05] <adamgryff> I couldn't either Pleshette [13:05] <Pleshette> lol [13:05] <Poet> Krum's was straight to the point and had the possiblity of making the dragon mad, so it was less patient [13:05] <futureweasley> I never saw it like that, but it's very accurate [13:05] <Poet> Fleur's was more gentle... [13:06] <Val_Halla> Krum's was also cruel and ended with real eggs being smashed [13:06] <trigallj> didn't harry also use diverson - but his was himself [13:06] <Expelliarmas> and she got burned for being so gentle [13:06] <SoonerGryffindor> [13:04] <MrMcGonagall> Cedric=transfiguration, Krum=jinx, Fleur=entrancement <---- so where does Harry fit into this? Escape artist? [13:06] <Poet> Right [13:06] <Expelliarmas> maybe fleur is just an animal lover [13:06] <adamgryff> yes, it did seem to play on their characters a bit which way they chose to approach it [13:06] <Poet> Harry used himself as diversion, he made the dragon want him more than the egg [13:06] <MrMcGonagall> Well, Harry's strength is obviously flying. [13:06] <Expelliarmas> Krum's was also the method Sirius would've suggested [13:06] <harryfreak359> Escape artist I think is true though...he's done it a lot [13:06] <bemused> Harry =quidditch expert [13:06] <MrMcGonagall> He even says in the chapter it's just like Quidditch. [13:07] <Val_Halla> yes, expie, which I found disturbing [13:07] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a good point Poet. So he used himself as bait [13:07] <trigallj> Krum and Cedric were good flyers, too [13:07] <futureweasley> so, what's the personality trait displayed in his exit strategy [13:07] <bemused> It does reflect on Sirius... [13:07] <Expelliarmas> Krum and Sirius would've attacked the dragon's weakness, the eyes [13:07] <JaneMarple9> harry's way of defeating the dragon [13:07] <JaneMarple9> does seem the best way [13:07] <JaneMarple9> the most logical way...playing to his strengths [13:07] <Poet> (I see the dragon like Voldemort who ignores the protections on his horcruxes because he's focused on killing Harry) [13:07] <JaneMarple9> seeming he is a good flyer [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> Fleur's would have been perfect if it hadn't been for an unfortunate dragon snore. Sooner's right - she got screwed by the judges. [13:08] <Expelliarmas> Cedric transfigured a rock into a dog, so he also used a diversion, which didn't go too well [13:08] <JaneMarple9> I am surprised Krum didn't choose similar [13:08] *** kaelgirl has joined #lounge This post has been edited by SoonerGryffindor: Dec 30 2006, 03:22 PM -------------------- |
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[13:08] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the personality trait exhibited by Harry is that he is wiling to sacrifice himself and be the bait to lure the "villian" in
[13:08] <Expelliarmas> cedric and krum couldve chosen to fly [13:08] <Poet> yesyes [13:08] <bemused> I agree, Sooner [13:08] <MrMcGonagall> Interesting - three seekers as champions. [13:09] <trigallj> Krum and Cedric were good flyers, too. Harry - with Moody's advice - got the best solution. [13:09] <harryfreak359> I think so too Sooner [13:09] <bemused> Good point, Mr M [13:09] <Pleshette> simple but the most effective [13:09] <Expelliarmas> three athletes as champions [13:09] *** Celestina_Warbeck has joined #lounge [13:09] *** stinkywinky has joined #lounge [13:09] <Pleshette> Hi Celestina! [13:09] <Pleshette> Hi Stinkywinky! [13:09] <harryfreak359> hi Celestine and stinkywinky [13:09] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, Harry had to kind of think outside the box on this one, but he did it with a little prodding from Moody. [13:09] <Celestina_Warbeck> Hi Pleshette! [13:09] <stinkywinky> hello [13:10] <bemused> Cedric's diversion wasn't as effective 'cos he couldn't control it - Harry gained control by putting himself ont he line [13:10] *** DA63 has quit [Bye] [13:10] <futureweasley> What kind of lessons did Harry learn from this First Task that are going to be important for the rest of the tournament? For the rest of the series? [13:10] <trigallj> He gained confidence. [13:10] <kaelgirl> courage [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> definitely trigall [13:10] <MrMcGonagall> Be creative. [13:10] <Val_Halla> Cedric's diversion was less bold but not unkind - kind off highlights the deifference between Hufflepuff and Gryffindor [13:10] <Pleshette> Play to your strengths [13:10] <Celestina_Warbeck> play to his strengths [13:10] <harryfreak359> play his strenghts [13:10] <stinkywinky> accio [13:10] <SoonerGryffindor> think outside the box [13:10] <Celestina_Warbeck> hehe [13:11] <harryfreak359> biggrin [13:11] <bemused> That he can master difficult spells - and that his own skills will always have a value [13:11] <kaelgirl> how to defeat dragons [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> true stinkywinky, it does save his life at the end of the book [13:11] <Pleshette> "Accio" is a handy spell [13:11] <kaelgirl> I'm being the obvious one [13:11] <Expelliarmas> Harry will have to find confidence continuosly througout the series [13:11] <Val_Halla> That you don't need fancy speels [13:11] <adamgryff> I agree pleshette [13:11] <Val_Halla> *spells [13:11] <harryfreak359> He uses his strenths later on in the book when he is dueling LV [13:11] *** DA63 has joined #lounge [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> that just because someone has more magical knowledge does not necessarily mean they have the edge [13:11] <harryfreak359> I think that that was an important lesson [13:11] * Pleshette tries to "accio" chocolate from the kitchen. [13:11] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [13:12] <Celestina_Warbeck> mmmmm [13:12] <adamgryff> did it work [13:12] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, Harry has guts, and runs well on an adrenaline rush. [13:12] <Expelliarmas> I agree sooner, LV proves that all the time [13:12] <bemused> that his youth abd inexperience isn't going to count against him... [13:12] * SoonerGryffindor tries to "accio" Poet and fawkes back to Oklahoma [13:12] <kaelgirl> I think its funny that Harry showed everyone up by doing an elementary spell [13:12] <Pleshette> *grumble grumble* No [13:12] <adamgryff> good luck with that sooner [13:12] <Celestina_Warbeck> yeah, especially Krum [13:12] <Pleshette> I agree kaelgirl [13:12] <SoonerGryffindor> *sigh*. Didnt work [13:13] <harryfreak359> sad [13:13] <futureweasley> Harry is so relieved to have survived the First Task, his letter to Sirius is long and detailed. What should this indicate to us about their relationship? [13:13] <Pleshette> And he's supposed to be the underdog [13:13] <Expelliarmas> it's one of the things that confounds people as they get older; more complex solutions for what appear to be complex problems [13:13] <stinkywinky> Harry is developing trust [13:13] <bemused> That Harry has settled to confiding in Sirius [13:13] *** obsessedWithSnape has joined #lounge [13:13] <harryfreak359> I think that it is kind of like a father-brother relationship and it is growing stronger [13:14] <futureweasley> hi OWS [13:14] *** FreedomStar has joined #lounge [13:14] <MrMcGonagall> Sirius is sort of a father figure - it's like Harry rushing home to tell his dad what amazing thing happened to him at school that day. [13:14] <adamgryff> that they have started bonding. [13:14] <harryfreak359> hi FreedomStar [13:14] <Pleshette> I loved this letter...such a typical reaction of wanting to give all the details of the competition [13:14] <harryfreak359> I agree Mr M [13:14] <kaelgirl> Maybe to gain acceptance from Sirius, or more acceptance [13:14] *** FreedomStar has quit [Bye] [13:14] <MrMcGonagall> It's like reliving the football game play by play. [13:14] *** FreedomStar has joined #lounge [13:14] <obsessedWithSnape> acceptance for what? [13:15] *** NCMcGonagall has quit [Bye] [13:15] <FreedomStar> Testing.. [13:15] <adamgryff> yes kaelgirl [13:15] <Pleshette> Right Mr.McG [13:15] <harryfreak359> I see you Freedom [13:15] <Celestina_Warbeck> yeah, Sirius would've LOVED to be there [13:15] <FreedomStar> I couldn't see myself..  [13:15] <kaelgirl> well, Sirius was friends with his Father who is legendary... [13:15] <FreedomStar> ok, sorry, so we're discussing Sirius? [13:15] <Expelliarmas> it must have tickled Sirius to get such a detailed letter; he probably read it aloud to buckbeak [13:15] <Pleshette> After being a bundle of nerves, the excitement of overcoming such a huge obstacle and wanting to share it with Sirius [13:15] <Poet> Chapter 21 of Goblet of Fire [13:15] <kaelgirl> hehe, thats an awesome image [13:15] <harryfreak359> I think that it probably did, Expie [13:15] <obsessedWithSnape> @kaelgirl: so you mean about the flying [13:15] <FreedomStar> okay [13:16] <obsessedWithSnape> wanting to live up to James' rep? [13:16] <Celestina_Warbeck> yeah, didn't Harry calm down after the first task [13:16] <kaelgirl> well, that and other things [13:16] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [13:16] *** wazardofwish has joined #lounge [13:16] <adamgryff> hi gryff [13:16] <kaelgirl> Just to prove he is his father's son [13:16] <FreedomStar> hi wazard [13:16] <harryfreak359> hi gryffindelle and wazardofwish [13:16] <wazardofwish> hi every one i m new here so wanna welcome me? [13:16] <futureweasley> The wailing of the egg appears to make a few listeners think of things that they fear most: Neville, the Cruciatus Curse, and Seamus, a Banshee (a fear we learned about in PoA). Harry, on the other hand, thinks of the musical saw orchestra and George thinks of his brother, Percy, singing in the shower. Comments? [13:16] <obsessedWithSnape> I think it's just wanting to be himslef, beng genuinely good at sth [13:16] <Pleshette> Hi gryffendelle [13:17] <Pleshette> Hi wazardofwish [13:17] <FreedomStar> Oh hwow, I didn't even think of that [13:17] <Celestina_Warbeck> wow [13:17] <bemused> George has a ssense of humour!! [13:17] <adamgryff> thats a great thought [13:17] <kaelgirl> huh. Interesting [13:17] <FreedomStar> Lol [13:17] <harryfreak359> I laughed at George's comment [13:17] <wazardofwish> come on tell me [13:17] <Celestina_Warbeck> obviously its a horrible sound [13:17] <obsessedWithSnape> well, I guess the task would be horrible [13:17] <wazardofwish> well whts up [13:18] <obsessedWithSnape> so they'd pick sth horrible harry'd be up against [13:18] *** stinkywinky has quit [Bye] [13:18] <Expelliarmas> George doesn't look at fears [13:18] <FreedomStar> Honestly, I didn't think of it that way, but the way the sound was described in the book [13:18] <wazardofwish> wanna me take part in it [13:18] <kaelgirl> maybe its the fact that Seamus and Neville fear the worst, and Harry is glad that the First task is over so he could care less.... [13:18] *** DA63 has quit [Bye] [13:18] <Pleshette> It was the first time I really considered that maybe Neville did hear his parents being tortured [13:18] <harryfreak359> Niether does Harry, Expie apparently [13:18] <obsessedWithSnape> true, kaelgirl [13:18] <FreedomStar> It says that it was "...the most horrible noise, a loud and screechy wailing, filled the room..." [13:18] <Val_Halla> I think the the first task was pretty frightening and some people were still feeling the aftereffects [13:18] <Celestina_Warbeck> wazar, we're discussing the Egg [13:18] <FreedomStar> I think, though that it's just because the sound is so reminiscent of someone shrieking [13:18] <obsessedWithSnape> indeed, valhalla [13:18] <FreedomStar> and Banshee's, as we all know, make one heck of a noise [13:19] <obsessedWithSnape> that's what i think. they're expecting another dragon-like thingie [13:19] <Val_Halla> Neville is pretty fearful on any given day, as well [13:19] *** gryffindelle has quit [Bye] [13:19] <FreedomStar> oh darn, gotta run for lunch [13:19] <kaelgirl> Its like the questions people ask like "What comes to mind first when you hear the word 'Red'" [13:19] <adamgryff> well thats true [13:19] <harryfreak359> Bye Freedomstar [13:19] <Expelliarmas> bye freedom [13:19] <Celestina_Warbeck> bye! [13:19] *** FreedomStar has quit [Bye] [13:19] <kaelgirl> by FreedomStar. Have a good lunch [13:19] *** wazardofwish has quit [Bye] [13:20] <futureweasley> Dobby plays “Let’s make A Deal” with Dumbledore. What did you think of the deal he made? Why did Dumbledore agree to this? What do you think of Dobby trying to bring Winky along with him? Do you think there is something more to their relationship? [13:20] <Poet> We are starting to get more hints about the strained relationship between Percy and his brothers [13:20] <obsessedWithSnape> no, more like, what's the first that comes to mind when you're standing next to a bull, and they say red... [13:20] *** DA63 has joined #lounge [13:20] <adamgryff> Dobby deal makes me laugh [13:20] <harryfreak359> I love Dobby [13:20] <Celestina_Warbeck> Dobby and Winky? together??? [13:20] <obsessedWithSnape> what page is that? [13:20] <kaelgirl> yes, definitely [13:20] <bemused> I'd love to know how the house elves communicate when they're so tied to their houses [13:20] <Celestina_Warbeck> I never thought of that [13:21] <adamgryff> only house elf I know who wants wages but doesn't want to much wages [13:21] <kaelgirl> I think Dobby just wanted anything he could get without being greedy [13:21] <Val_Halla> I think Winky is too disgusted with Dobby taking a salary to be "with" him [13:21] <harryfreak359> I don't think there is any more to their relationship, Dobby is just trying to help Winky [13:21] <Expelliarmas> Dobby was scared of his freedom; too much would be overwhelming [13:21] <Poet> I love the fact that Dumbledore is willing to respect other creatures and whatever feelings or desires they have [13:21] <JaneMarple9> still here...just floating! [13:21] <Pleshette> It shows how wonderful DD is, hiring Dobby on his terms [13:21] <Val_Halla> Me too Poet [13:21] <kaelgirl> I can see Dobby feeling sorry for Winky. He's been in her situation before, so its an empathy thing [13:22] <adamgryff> well I agree with you expie, thats why Winky doesn't want freedom at all [13:22] <harryfreak359> Yes, Kaelgirl, I agree [13:22] <obsessedWithSnape> i think dobby doesn't want too much out of fear what the other elves'd say [13:22] <Expelliarmas> well, Winky never sought her freedom; she loved her master [13:22] <Poet> Dumbledore doesn't put himself above others simply because they are Muggles or Squibs or non-human or younger [13:22] <bemused> The idea of DD letting Dobby beat him down in price is lovely [13:22] <obsessedWithSnape> she's also more conservative than dobby [13:22] <MrMcGonagall> I found it interesting that Dobby had visited the Crouches. Obviously some house-elves sit around the kitchen table and gossip. [13:23] <Celestina_Warbeck> yeah, just like DD doesn't like the term "mudblood" [13:23] <adamgryff> good point Mr. McG [13:23] <Expelliarmas> yes, MrM, like servants of old did; they had their own network [13:23] <harryfreak359> lol, I think so, Mr.M [13:23] <bemused> Perhaps there's a house elves club somewhere... [13:23] <Val_Halla> Especially since some people seem to bring their elves along on social calls [13:23] <Poet> Yes, this scene both answers a lot of questions and opens up some new ones. The house elves aren't just bound magially, but enjoy being bound to a house or family [13:24] <obsessedWithSnape> like 'you rang mylord' and stuff tongue [13:24] <harryfreak359> Yes, that would make sense Val, that they would talk [13:24] <trigallj> Maybe he was looking for a paying position at the crouch's [13:24] <adamgryff> they have their own club bemuse the House Elf Club on Leaky Lane [13:24] <bemused> Really? [13:24] <obsessedWithSnape> @trigallj: don't think so, crouch wouldn't even hire him [13:24] <futureweasley> Dobby says he likes freedom, but likes work more. Is hard work inherant or learned behavior for elves? [13:24] <obsessedWithSnape> if he deserted his old master [13:25] <Pleshette> Desperate House-elves of Leaky Lane [13:25] <bemused> ... I like the idea of that [13:25] <Celestina_Warbeck> hehe [13:25] <trigallj> obsessed - maybe he was 'networking' [13:25] <Poet> I think its in most of their natures [13:25] <Val_Halla> It seems deeply ingrained in elf personality to be hard-working and loyal, even if they don't like their master [13:25] <adamgryff> I think its just part of there nature [13:25] <obsessedWithSnape> me too [13:25] <futureweasley> I think it's likely both [13:25] <harryfreak359> I think that it was what they only know, so there fore they feel comfortable with it. I think it is natural for them [13:26] <Pleshette> I think it's a learned behavior that's passed on from generation to generation [13:26] <bemused> Probably goes back generations [13:26] <Celestina_Warbeck> its actually magical, though, right? House elves can't leave even if they want to [13:26] <futureweasley> I think that Dobby really wouldn't be happy unless he were serving...but I think he wants things for himself, too [13:26] <obsessedWithSnape> or maybe like slaves ages ago: they get so used to it [13:26] <Expelliarmas> for elves, they deffine themselves by their work [13:26] <Expelliarmas> as do some people [13:26] <harryfreak359> Yes, Expie [13:26] <bemused> It intrigues me that they do have magic they could use against wizards but don't use it [13:26] <Pleshette> I think they have a need to be needed by their masters [13:26] <obsessedWithSnape> jo said it isn't much though [13:27] <Celestina_Warbeck> yeah, like when Dobby slammed Lucius against the wall [13:27] <Poet> I think its part of their genetic nature that has been cultivated through the generations. They like pleasing their masters. [13:27] <Val_Halla> on my wishlistt for DH - explain house-elves history [13:27] <obsessedWithSnape> but when you really wanna break free, that's not enough [13:27] <obsessedWithSnape> and they're not very agressive either, are they? [13:27] *** NiGHTS has joined #lounge [13:28] <Celestina_Warbeck> Dobby beats himself up all the time [13:28] <Poet> Just like Slughorn in Book 5 doesn't like being in the limelight, but likes being well-connected - house elves seem to like helping wiards and take pride in doing so [13:28] *** icecreamchap has joined #lounge [13:28] <JaneMarple9> Yes be interesting to find out more about Houseelves [13:28] <adamgryff> i don't know about that dobby was pretty agressive after Lucious let him go [13:28] <obsessedWithSnape> or maybe in that encyclopedia she'll do after, valhalla [13:28] <Val_Halla> Dobby set a bludger on Harry to "save" him in CoS - that's pretty agressive [13:28] *** NiGHTS has quit [Bye] [13:28] <adamgryff> well he was trying to kill harry at the time [13:28] <Pleshette> Maybe they don't have enough confidence to break free...it's a dependence thing [13:28] <obsessedWithSnape> no, that'd be defensive, not agressive [13:28] <kaelgirl> I agressive to someone is different to another [13:28] <icecreamchap> dobby is just a house elf he doesn't know any better- just like winky [13:28] <kaelgirl> I think that house elves have a warped way of living [13:28] <Celestina_Warbeck> kreacher would probably kill Harry if he could [13:29] <bemused> Dobby seems unaware that these things are agressive [13:29] <futureweasley> Winky is distraught. She’s ashamed that she has been disgraced. She refuses to divulge any of Mr. Crouch's secrets. We know she has a huge secret to keep, is that what is stopping her from enjoying her freedom or is there something more to this? What do you think about Hermione’s take on Winky? [13:29] <obsessedWithSnape> not without permission, i think [13:29] <adamgryff> yes I would agree Kreacher would do anything to get out of Harry hair [13:29] <obsessedWithSnape> if he even has that kind of power [13:29] <Val_Halla> I think Hermione is dead wrong about Winky [13:29] <bemused> Hermione means well but misses the mark completely [13:29] <icecreamchap> kreacher cant do anything about it- harry's his master [13:29] <obsessedWithSnape> me too [13:29] <harryfreak359> I don't think Hermione understand completely [13:29] <Expelliarmas> winky is a treasure trove of secrets [13:29] <adamgryff> I think Hermione does understand the situation and expects every one to be like Dobby [13:29] <Pleshette> Hermione doesn't understand that bond [13:30] <Poet> Winky seems to be under a heavy burden of guilt, similar to Mr. Crouch. [13:30] <MrMcGonagall> Hermione just doesn't understand house-elves. I don't think it's keeping the secret that is hindering Winky - I think she's just a more normal house-elf. [13:30] <Expelliarmas> hermione is too quick to judge [13:30] <obsessedWithSnape> no, she reacts from what she's learned about slavery in the Muggle World [13:30] <kaelgirl> Winky is being a bit unreasonable as well [13:30] <icecreamchap> hermione just thinks every house elf lives in his style of happiness [13:30] <Val_Halla> Hermione hate BC Sr so she doesn't believe Winky could actually love him [13:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I honestly just think that Winky is a typical elf. [13:30] <kaelgirl> Both of them are too dedicated to what they think is correct [13:30] <Expelliarmas> Winky has suffered a trauma; her whole identity and dignity have been taken [13:31] <icecreamchap> winky should have some good old muggle phsycology [13:31] <trigallj> Agree - MrMc. Hermione looks at the world from her own point of view - she doesn't understand the house-elf culture. [13:31] <icecreamchap> well i have to go [13:31] <bemused> I have to go now - bye everyone [13:31] *** icecreamchap left #lounge [] [13:31] <Pleshette> I agree Sooner and expel [13:31] <Poet> Yes, she definitely misses the only home she'd known [13:31] <obsessedWithSnape> bye [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> bye bemused [13:31] <Pleshette> bye bemused [13:31] *** bemused left #lounge [] [13:31] <JaneMarple9> Winky should go and work with Molly [13:31] <MrMcGonagall> Even Dobby still has residual effects of belonging to the Malfoys. [13:31] <futureweasley> Winky will be the same of her family name...I think Winky is quite unfortunate in that regard [13:31] <Val_Halla> True Mr M [13:31] <adamgryff> well anyone would Mr. M [13:31] <SoonerGryffindor> yes. Hagridd lets us know that Dobby is a little strange for his breed [13:31] <obsessedWithSnape> tongue adamgryff [13:31] *** MidnightPhoenix has joined #lounge [13:32] *** LillyLovegood has joined #lounge [13:32] <kaelgirl> I think when an elf is dismissed, its like a person being disowned by their family. It has long-term affects on people [13:32] <JaneMarple9> She would learn what it is like to have a decent owner [13:32] <Pleshette> He's ready to fall back into that pattern of self-punishment until Harry stops him [13:32] <harryfreak359> yes, Doby is different then other house-leves [13:32] <harryfreak359> elves* [13:32] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome midnight, lilly [13:32] <Val_Halla> I agree kaelgirl [13:32] <obsessedWithSnape> yeah, they feel like they're part of the family [13:32] <harryfreak359> Hi midnight and Lilly [13:32] <obsessedWithSnape> yeah, welcome [13:32] <MidnightPhoenix> hi [13:32] <LillyLovegood> thks [13:32] *** adamgryff has quit [Bye] [13:33] <kaelgirl> Dobby is what we like to call a wee bit crazy... [13:33] *** DA63 has quit [Bye] [13:33] <Val_Halla> House elves seem to be a lot like dogs with respect to loyalty [13:33] <kaelgirl> very true Val [13:33] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [13:33] <Val_Halla> The love unconditionally unless severely abused [13:33] <kaelgirl> they're like dogs that can do your homework [13:33] <futureweasley> Ron pairs up Hermione with Professor Trelawney, as they both are into "doom and gloom." Is that the only reason the two of them would be paired? Or could there be more to it than that? Speaking of Professor Trelawney, what do you make of her comment about death circling over the castle like a vulture, coming ever lower? [13:33] <adamgryff> got sooner and Mr. M [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor>  [13:34] *** MidnightPhoenix left #lounge [] [13:34] *** LillyLovegood left #lounge [] [13:34] <obsessedWithSnape> she's so predictable, trelawney... [13:34] <trigallj> Accidently got one right [13:34] <kaelgirl> Trelawney is off her rocker, but I think that finally her dramatic death predicitions might be on target in the next book [13:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I think this is such an interesting q [13:35] <Poet> The vulture is also symbolic in Egyptian mythology with motherly protection, so she might be off on her interpretation [13:35] <JaneMarple9> it was interesting [13:35] <kaelgirl> two complete opposites paired. Interesting. [13:35] <JaneMarple9> it could be another prediction coming true [13:35] <harryfreak359> interesting [13:35] <adamgryff> interesting Poet [13:35] <obsessedWithSnape> well, predicting death when they're in the middle of a dangerous tournament [13:35] <MrMcGonagall> Hermione and Trelawney are polar opposites. Ron is just jesting. [13:35] * Expelliarmas wonders about vultures representing *cough* lawyers [13:36] <Poet> On the otherhand Voldemort's plan for the end of Book 4 is slowly being put into place.... [13:36] <obsessedWithSnape> i can see her thinking: the next dragon'll kill one... [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but Ron has an uncanny ability to accidentally predict things [13:36] <harryfreak359> He does, indeed [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> by just jokinh [13:36] <Expelliarmas> oh, Trelawney isnt a loon, she's just a dramaqueen [13:36] <adamgryff> that's true sooner [13:36] <Expelliarmas> or dramawitch [13:36] <kaelgirl> "What could kill a student today...hmmm...a teapot maybe? no..." [13:36] <futureweasley> Ron is never, ever serious in Transfiguration [13:36] <harryfreak359> lol Expie, I agree [13:36] <Poet> hilarious [13:36] <SoonerGryffindor> lol on the attoryney comment Expie [13:37] <JaneMarple9> i wonder if ron has seer blood [13:37] <futureweasley> umm, no [13:37] <JaneMarple9> without knowing it [13:37] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont hink to Jane [13:37] <JaneMarple9> probably been said before [13:37] <adamgryff> hi pp [13:37] <Pleshette> Hi Prongs! [13:37] <harryfreak359> I don't think so Jane [13:37] <futureweasley> he couldn't see the forest through the trees [13:37] <harryfreak359> hi Prongs! [13:37] <JaneMarple9> hi prongs! [13:37] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Prongs [13:37] <obsessedWithSnape> i think a bottle of sherry's more likely thn a teapot, myself [13:37] <JaneMarple9> probably entitirely wrong then! smile [13:37] <ProngsPatronus> hey, all! [13:37] <Expelliarmas> well, so much of what Ron and the twins say in a joking manner comes out true [13:37] <Val_Halla> I think Ron has lots of homespun common sense down deep [13:37] <futureweasley> We also see three additional Gryffindors helping Harry, Ron and Hermione with the Skrewts – but they are not the ones we might think of first. Instead, it is Dean, Seamus, and Lavender. Why those three? What does it say about their characters? Any foreshadowing there? [13:37] <Expelliarmas> hello, P2 [13:38] <obsessedWithSnape> agreed, val_halla [13:38] <Val_Halla> That's why he often predicts things correctly [13:38] <obsessedWithSnape> yup [13:38] <MrMcGonagall> Well, they do all come into play rather significantly in Books 5 and 6. [13:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I think it goes to show that its not only the trio that is loyal to Hagrid [13:38] <adamgryff> I think it will come into play sometime [13:38] <obsessedWithSnape> the predictions? [13:38] <kaelgirl> What Slytherin would help with dirty work? [13:38] <harryfreak359> Yes, agreed, Mr M [13:38] <Expelliarmas> *sigh* Lavendar has never been one of my fave characters [13:38] <kaelgirl> I agree Sooner [13:39] <ProngsPatronus> lol--I think that, perhaps, JKR wants to give a little face time to the other people in the school [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> It also shows that they are braver than the Slytherins. *giggle* [13:39] <obsessedWithSnape> true, that [13:39] <Val_Halla> I think this was just a way to include other Gryffindors and keep their characters visible [13:39] <Expelliarmas> a hamster, sadly, is braver than most slytherins [13:39] <harryfreak359> lol, I agree with both things you said, Sooner [13:39] <JaneMarple9> lavendars a "nobody" until book 6 [13:39] <kaelgirl> Just to prove that they aren't useless [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> Anyone who is a fan of Trelawney gets a check-minus in my book. [13:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I wonder if those are all of the Gryffs in CoMC? [13:39] <MrMcGonagall> People like Lavender, that is. [13:39] <Celestina_Warbeck> Trelawney rocks! [13:40] <kaelgirl> ugh, Lavender is psycho like Trelawney [13:40] <Val_Halla> Yeah, Lavendar doesn't seem very Gryffindorish in general [13:40] <Pleshette> I didn't really see any foreshadowing just their "bad luck" in having to gather the skewts, lol [13:40] <obsessedWithSnape> yeah, they are kind of silly, mrmcgo [13:40] <JaneMarple9> Lavender seems just a background character to me [13:40] <trigallj> There are only 10 Griffs in a year, right? [13:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I like it that we see a good Lav moment [13:40] <Poet> I think its to point out the real "danger" Hagrid is in - Rita could talk to any of those people who might say something that she ould use against Hagrid [13:40] <obsessedWithSnape> except for the won-won thing [13:41] <Celestina_Warbeck> Seamus has always been on their side [13:41] <JaneMarple9> grrrrrr at won won [13:41] <futureweasley> Why does Jo always point out Rita's clothing? Do the colors have something to do with her mood or next article? [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> we see Seamus in a bad light in the next book [13:41] <JaneMarple9> that was a daft part of the book! [13:41] <Celestina_Warbeck> how? [13:41] <MrMcGonagall> That's an interesting idea, fw. [13:41] <Expelliarmas> Rita dresses very oddly--even in the wizarding world [13:41] <obsessedWithSnape> no, just that she has no style... [13:41] <Poet> We know that Ron, Harry, and Hermione would be extra careful to no say anything that would make Hagrid look bad, but the other s could be caught unaware [13:41] <kaelgirl> I think the clothes are to point out how Outrageous she is [13:41] <Val_Halla> I think she's pointing out how shallow Rita is [13:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I love how they did movie Rita with the outfits [13:41] <Pleshette> I'm sure it does fw [13:41] <adamgryff> I think it has to do with her moods, but they always seem to fit what she wants to accomplish that day [13:41] <Expelliarmas> her clothes feature shocking, garrish colors--like her [13:42] <Poet> They show her "fan girlish" nature - she's interested in gossip and the news of the moment [13:42] <Val_Halla> All flash [13:42] <SoonerGryffindor> it shows that she has no taste for one thing [13:42] <kaelgirl> her whole wardrobe is too much [13:42] <futureweasley> I don't really think so...I think that she needs to display to the readers that she's "kept" and when she's out of work later, she's a "trainwreck" [13:42] <adamgryff> lol sooner [13:42] <MrMcGonagall> I agree. It doesn't sound like she's necessarily unfashionable, but rather a trend-follower and a bit over-the-top. [13:42] <ProngsPatronus> I think it is a lovely, subtle way to tell us exactly what Rita is like--acid green comes to mind [13:42] <Poet> I like that futre [13:42] <Celestina_Warbeck> a lot of beatles are very garish colored [13:42] <Expelliarmas> Rita is too much [13:42] <Celestina_Warbeck> scarabs [13:42] <Expelliarmas> how does that make me feel? curious, inept, foolish? [13:42] <kaelgirl> Maybe shows that she takes things to a whole new level of ghastliness [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> so I guess we could say that she is a caricature for obnoxious-ness [13:43] <harryfreak359> I think that it shows that how flamboyant she is, and it also kind of gives something to compare to her look in OotP when she has no job [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> Very true, pp. [13:43] <futureweasley> Rita is someone that, fashion-wise, 50 Cent could only love [13:43] <kaelgirl> yes, Sooner. Very much so [13:43] <Celestina_Warbeck> ha! [13:43] <Poet> It shows the excess in her life - she has lots of outfits and lots to say - I agree it shows a pattern of excess [13:43] <Expelliarmas> Her clothes make her standout--something Rita loves [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [13:43] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, obnoxious is the best way to describe her. [13:43] <trigallj> She is showy, and tries to take charge where ever she is. The clothes help. [13:43] <Celestina_Warbeck> compared to umbridge she's a fashion plate [13:43] <adamgryff> Yes poet I agree [13:43] <futureweasley> the gold teeth? C'mon, now [13:43] <kaelgirl> Stands out like a sore thumb [13:43] <SoonerGryffindor> I do think it shows her station in life Poet, it shows she is successful [13:43] <ProngsPatronus> green and yellow, in certain shades, can symbolise jealousy and betrayal [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> I'm going to start doodling the Rita Skeeter Power Suit to debut on the Milan runway. [13:44] <obsessedWithSnape> sounds about right, prongs [13:44] <ProngsPatronus> esp. yellow/green, like bile [13:44] <Val_Halla> She's also described as having a heavy jaw and mannish hands [13:44] <kaelgirl> hehe, MrM [13:44] <Poet> Yes, that fact that she is able to put together an outfit for any occassion... [13:44] <adamgryff> oh I have to see this one [13:44] <harryfreak359> lol MrM [13:44] <trigallj> with matching handbag [13:44] <Val_Halla> I think all the very feminine touches show how fake she is [13:44] <Expelliarmas> and nails [13:44] <harryfreak359> I agree Val [13:44] *** Greeneyes15 has joined #lounge [13:44] <MrMcGonagall> An absolute viper. [13:44] <Expelliarmas> will the look come with matching quills [13:44] <obsessedWithSnape> don't forget the glasses [13:45] <kaelgirl> She could kill someone with those talons! [13:45] <harryfreak359> yes the glasses [13:45] <kaelgirl> a good Trelawney prediction [13:45] <JaneMarple9> rita is the worse type of reporter [13:45] <SoonerGryffindor> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. [13:45] <JaneMarple9> I imagine her writing on the worse type of newspapers [13:45] <futureweasley> The twins launch the Canary Creams, and they're probably already planning the Skiving Snackboxes and other WWW things. What do you think about their career choice? They must be exceptionally talented, do you think they should have focused on something "important" and serious instead of jokes? [13:45] <Poet> Her outfits also show how focused she gets on one particular part of the story - she doesn't look at the broader truth - just one image that peaks her fancy [13:46] <obsessedWithSnape> no, they oughta do sth they want to do [13:46] <MrMcGonagall> no, this is right up the twins' alley. Using their natural talents. [13:46] <kaelgirl> its a way of lightening the mood [13:46] <Celestina_Warbeck> nah, that's Fred and George to the core [13:46] <harryfreak359> I like their career choice, it is a good one for them. And besides, Harry is right the world is going to need a few laughs [13:46] <adamgryff> I think Greg and Forge are following what they love to do, [13:46] <Poet> I think its wonderful that they've chosen a profession that requires them to use magic in such a specific way [13:46] <obsessedWithSnape> and jokes are useful too, as harry points out [13:46] <Pleshette> Perfect for them [13:46] <JaneMarple9> no the twins have to do a job like that [13:46] <trigallj> There are many references to the twins and their magical abilities. I think this is going to be important in DH [13:46] <Expelliarmas> ever try writing a good joke? it's darned difficult; their joke shop will give folks something to laugh about [13:46] <Val_Halla> I think what they do does prove to be important both psychologically and practically [13:46] <JaneMarple9> it's fits their character so much [13:46] <Celestina_Warbeck> U-No-Poo [13:46] <Pleshette> I have to run...great chat everyone! smile [13:46] <Poet> They produce actual items and their magic has to be fool-proof. It shows how talented they are. [13:46] <harryfreak359> Bye Pleshette! [13:47] <JaneMarple9> and you always need humour in the books! [13:47] <Poet> bye Pleshette [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> Bye, Pleshette! [13:47] <adamgryff> bye pheleste [13:47] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [13:47] <Expelliarmas> bye pleshette [13:47] <kaelgirl> by Pleshette [13:47] <Celestina_Warbeck> Bye! [13:47] <obsessedWithSnape> bye [13:47] <Val_Halla> bye pleshette [13:47] <harryfreak359> Yes, Jane, humor is a big part of the books [13:47] <ProngsPatronus> we can't be serious all the time--I think that the twins provide a much-needed comic relief [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> They are extremely talented. [13:47] <Poet> They show their extreme creativity as well, with all those different products [13:47] <JaneMarple9> i hope there will be humour in book 7 [13:47] <kaelgirl> I agree, Prongs [13:47] <MrMcGonagall> Like many students, though, they do well at those things they enjoy. [13:47] <obsessedWithSnape> just look at the way they get back at umbridge [13:47] <JaneMarple9> (Jane has her fingers and toes crossed!) [13:47] <harryfreak359> And it does show that they do have a lot of magical talent...even if it doesn;t show on their OWL scores [13:47] <Val_Halla> They are showing by example that people should cower in fear of despots [13:47] <adamgryff> they really know their magic they just use it differently [13:47] <obsessedWithSnape> they could make swamps to divert DE's [13:48] <Poet> And they create items that aren't only humorous, but some have very practical applications as well [13:48] <Val_Halla> *shouldn't [13:48] <obsessedWithSnape> and they are really inventive [13:48] <JaneMarple9> they really are intelligent [13:48] <JaneMarple9> prehaps even more intelligent than people think [13:48] <kaelgirl> Hogwarts needs a joke class. [13:48] <obsessedWithSnape> it's like DD [13:48] <kaelgirl> I think that its a real art what the Weasley twins do [13:48] <obsessedWithSnape> really intelligent, but the foolishness makes people underestimate you [13:48] <Poet> They show patience - they experiment, they care about their clients - they do trials, they are perfectionists - they test and hold things back that don't work yet... [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> I think DD always appreciated the twins' unique gifts. [13:49] <kaelgirl> maybe thats why he never expelled them [13:49] <obsessedWithSnape> they're a lot like DD i think, in a way [13:49] <Celestina_Warbeck> part of their magic is the fact that they're twins [13:49] <futureweasley> We know Hagrid is blind about his creatures, and very susceptible to flattery, what a horrible combination for Rita Skeeter to get her hands on. What do you think she intends? How does she know Hagrid and Harry are friends? [13:49] <MrMcGonagall> Probably true, kaelgirl! [13:49] <trigallj> And he expected them to test their limits - like the aging potion [13:49] <ProngsPatronus> that would not be hard to find out--remember Buckbeak? [13:50] <obsessedWithSnape> how does she know? by their reactions i assume [13:50] <adamgryff> I think it is common knowledge at the school that Hagrid and Harry are friends [13:50] <JaneMarple9> by spying on them [13:50] <kaelgirl> haha, the aging potion [13:50] <trigallj> Rita is a gossip writer. She wants gossip. She doesn't care who is hurt by it. [13:50] <harryfreak359> Probably heard it from a slytherin. And it just makes me hat her more [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> She's been watching their interaction in class. [13:50] <harryfreak359> *hate [13:50] <JaneMarple9> finding out of slytherins whho Harrys friends are [13:50] <obsessedWithSnape> all of that together, probly [13:50] <Expelliarmas> all rita had to do was watch the trio trying their best to put away the skrewts [13:50] <Val_Halla> I think Rita just wanted a juicy story and had no particular plans regarding hagrid. He's just a story. [13:50] <MrMcGonagall> Perhaps she's already started talking with Draco. [13:50] *** Greeneyes15 has quit [Bye] [13:50] <kaelgirl> she probably didn't and just made a guess and it happened to be correct [13:51] <Celestina_Warbeck> she saw that Hagrid would be an easy target [13:51] <obsessedWithSnape> she wanted to find out about harry [13:51] <adamgryff> I think by this time Draco has been a big influence [13:51] <MrMcGonagall> She needs to dig up a juicy story during the downtime between the tasks. [13:51] <harryfreak359> Yup I agree with all of you [13:51] <obsessedWithSnape> and got the giant thing instead, becase hagrid wouldn't say anything [13:51] <JaneMarple9> a BIG story biggrin [13:51] <Expelliarmas> pretty nervy of Rita to come onto the grounds after being kicked out by DD [13:51] <SoonerGryffindor> Rita is such an awesome character. [13:52] <obsessedWithSnape> draco and her picked up on each other [13:52] <JaneMarple9> awesome? Not sure if that is the word [13:52] <Val_Halla> Well, really, what would DD do except kick her out again? [13:52] <obsessedWithSnape> equally horrible [13:52] <MrMcGonagall> She's obviously been hanging out around the perimeter. [13:52] <JaneMarple9> evil is more like it! [13:52] <Celestina_Warbeck> Hermione keeping her trapped in a jar was questionable... even though Rita is foul [13:52] <futureweasley> Why does Winky think Mr. Bagman is a bad wizard? What exactly does ol' Barty say about him at home? [13:52] <Expelliarmas> oh, DD is pretty clever, if he really wanted to keep her out, he could have managed it [13:53] <JaneMarple9> nah...best thing to happen to Rita [13:53] <kaelgirl> maybe the whole being in a trial thing [13:53] <JaneMarple9> keep her under control [13:53] <adamgryff> I'm not sure, but I would like to know what Bagman has done [13:53] <Val_Halla> Probably Winky knows Bagman was tried for passing info to LV [13:53] <obsessedWithSnape> mione 'd make a great slytherin... [13:53] <ProngsPatronus> well, to me she is an example of someone who has never had many curbs put on her [13:53] <harryfreak359> I bet Crouch doesn't at all like his careless attitude at all for one thing [13:53] <Celestina_Warbeck> he was a death eater [13:53] <Celestina_Warbeck> right? [13:53] <trigallj> He was in the pensive - in a trial - Crouch wanted to send him away [13:53] <Poet> I was very concerned about Winky saying this.... [13:53] <Val_Halla> And was cleared because everyone admired him as a Quidditch star [13:53] <kaelgirl> no, he just passed info [13:53] <harryfreak359> No he was passin info to the DE [13:53] <MrMcGonagall> I think Winky has heard Crouch catalogue Bagman's incompetence for some years now. I don't think Crouch was ever happy that Bagman escaped punishment unscathed for collaborating, however unwittingly, with DEs. [13:53] <SoonerGryffindor> really, he's not a good guy, just not for the reasons we all thought [13:53] <adamgryff> well thats true, Hf but what would make him bad [13:53] <Expelliarmas> I think there was more to Bagman than just being a gambler and a DE [13:53] <ProngsPatronus> she thinks she can do what she wants without consequences because, so far, there haven't been any for her [13:54] <Poet> Bagman was the first on the scene, practically, after Sirius "killed" Wormtail.... [13:54] <kaelgirl> Who doesn't bad mouth people at their work after a long day? [13:54] <obsessedWithSnape> well, winky would go along with crouch's opinion [13:54] <obsessedWithSnape> he was, poet? [13:54] <kaelgirl> Its probably Winky was eavesdropping on Crouch after a bad day [13:54] <harryfreak359> Really, Poet? [13:54] <trigallj> Right, McMg. I wrote naive earlier - he was unwitting. [13:55] <obsessedWithSnape> eavesdropping sounds so bad [13:55] <ProngsPatronus> I think Ludo Bagman bears some watching--a bagman is someone who is a criminal, I believe [13:55] <Val_Halla> 'Bagman SAID he was unwitting - we don't really know [13:55] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Winky had to eavesdrop [13:55] <Poet> I agree that knowing Mr. Crouch, he was very upset that Bagman wasn't punished after being connected with a death eater (even though we don't know what he knows or doesn't know) [13:55] <obsessedWithSnape> she could've picked it up cleaning away dishes... [13:55] <ProngsPatronus> so did a lot of DE's, too [13:55] <kaelgirl> maybe not eavesdrop, but something to that affect [13:55] <Celestina_Warbeck> but he's just an old quiddich player "gone to seed" [13:55] <futureweasley> Does the Marauders Map show house-elfs on it? Wouldn't Harry have noticed a great mass of dots all centred around one area? Could that have been how the twins found their way in? [13:56] <obsessedWithSnape> lol, fw [13:56] <JaneMarple9> yeah Ludo is just a old quidditch player [13:56] <kaelgirl> hmmmm...interesting [13:56] <JaneMarple9> he probably misses the action [13:56] <obsessedWithSnape> i don't know about that [13:56] <MrMcGonagall> That's a very good qeustion. I rather think it doesn't. [13:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I love this question [13:56] <adamgryff> interesting question future. I doubt house elves are on the map [13:56] <Val_Halla> I imagine it doens't show house elves [13:56] <Expelliarmas> I think the map only picks up on folks [13:56] <harryfreak359> Maybe house-elves don't show up on it, I don't think they do at least, maybe their magic prevents them from being seen [13:56] <obsessedWithSnape> wouldn't it overcrowd the map? [13:56] <Expelliarmas> humans [13:56] <JaneMarple9> there again...it showed wormtail [13:56] <adamgryff> otherwise Harry would have found the kitchens before now [13:56] <harryfreak359> I agree Expie [13:56] <JaneMarple9> who was a animagus [13:57] <obsessedWithSnape> wormtail's human [13:57] <JaneMarple9> why didn't it show Rita? [13:57] <Val_Halla> Wormtail is technically a human even when transformed [13:57] <obsessedWithSnape> it probly did [13:57] <Poet> The Mauraders made the map, maybe they chose to not have the elves show up [13:57] <MrMcGonagall> I think the twins found it on their own. They're good at discovering things that aren't meant to be seen. [13:57] <Expelliarmas> wormtail it would have shown as he was one of the mapmakers [13:57] <adamgryff> because harry wasn't looking for Rita [13:57] <SoonerGryffindor> can you choose who you want to show up though? [13:57] <Expelliarmas> i think it shows people in hogwarts, but not creatures [13:57] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [13:57] <harryfreak359> yes, Adam, there have to be alot of names on there, if you aren't looking for someone, it would be easy to miss them [13:57] <adamgryff> besides harry was doing something else at the time and was not looking a the map [13:58] <obsessedWithSnape> creatures arent useful to marauders [13:58] <kaelgirl> maybe the Marauders didn't out them on there because they'd overwhelm the map [13:58] <obsessedWithSnape> they cant catch them off bounds [13:58] <trigallj> I think so. The Mauraders would have to magic the map to show what they wanted to show. Not all the spiders and everything else in the castel [13:58] <Poet> Maybe the map didn't show the kitchen? [13:58] <JaneMarple9> never noticed that the house-elves don't show up [13:58] <futureweasley> Thanks for coming to today's chat, everyone. Don't forget to join us tomorrow from 3-5PM EST for our Post-Prince Predictions Chat. This Week's Topic: Lily's Secret. See you then! [13:58] <JaneMarple9> perhaps they would overcrowd the map [13:58] <obsessedWithSnape> i agree [13:58] <SoonerGryffindor> Everyone thanks for the great chat!!! [13:58] <harryfreak359> Woot! great chat! [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> Group Hug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [13:59] <JaneMarple9> Hug time! [13:59] <adamgryff> Thanks guys! [13:59] <obsessedWithSnape> yeah, thanks [13:59] * futureweasley gives everyone a big group hug!! [13:59] <obsessedWithSnape> hug [13:59] *** trigallj left #lounge [] [13:59] <kaelgirl> awesome people [13:59] <Poet> bye! ((group hug)) [13:59] <Val_Halla> The Marauders were interested in making mischief. House-elves weren't a factor in that [13:59] <MrMcGonagall> It's going to be an awesome chat!! Wootywoohoowahey! [13:59] * futureweasley squeezes Adam a little overzealously [13:59] * harryfreak359 gives everyone a big hug [13:59] * Expelliarmas finally gets to join in the group hug! [13:59] <SoonerGryffindor> good luck with the rest of the day Adam [13:59] <obsessedWithSnape> swhat i said too, valhalla [13:59] <kaelgirl> Bye everyone! Great discussion! [13:59] * JaneMarple9 hugs everyone [13:59] <MrMcGonagall> Bye everybody! [13:59] <futureweasley> bye guys [13:59] <adamgryff> bye [13:59] * SoonerGryffindor jumps in the hug [13:59] <Val_Halla> bye all!!! [13:59] *** adamgryff left #lounge [] [13:59] * Poet passes out goblet-shaped horcrux cookies at the door [14:00] <SoonerGryffindor> bye everyone [14:00] <harryfreak359> bye everyone! [14:00] <JaneMarple9> and a extra hug for adam, sooner, future, expel and Mr McGonagall! [14:00] <Val_Halla> (((hugs))) [14:00] <futureweasley> LOL Poet [14:00] <harryfreak359> horcrux cookies? I don't think I am eating those.... [14:00] * obsessedWithSnape joins hug [14:00] <futureweasley> good idea harryfreak [14:00] <kaelgirl> ehh, creepy cookies [14:00] <JaneMarple9> I'm really looking forward to tomorrows chat [14:00] <obsessedWithSnape> me either [14:00] <harryfreak359> biggrin [14:00] <obsessedWithSnape> can't be there *sniff* [14:00] <harryfreak359> "See" you guys tomorrow, sounds like a great chat! [14:01] * Poet waves [14:01] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [14:01] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [14:01] *** Val_Halla left #lounge [] [14:01] * obsessedWithSnape waves goodbye to everyone [14:01] *** kaelgirl has quit [Bye] [14:01] <futureweasley> hasta la bye bye. type /quit to leave. :-D [14:01] *** obsessedWithSnape has quit [Bye] -------------------- |
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