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Chat mods: Aislinn, SeverineSnape, Poet [18:58] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [18:58] *** Snuffles changed the topic to: Quidditch in Harry Potter (SeverineSnape) [18:59] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [18:59] *** Spown has joined #lounge [19:00] <harryfreak359> hiya guys! [19:00] <Spown> hi guys [19:00] <Spown> how are you doing? [19:00] <harryfreak359> okay that's better smile [19:00] <Aislinn> hi spown [19:00] <SeverineSnape> Ola amigos [19:00] <Spown> we're the first two to get in [19:00] <Spown> wow [19:00] <harryfreak359> yeah [19:00] <Aislinn> hey harryfreak - wb! [19:00] <harryfreak359> hey Aislinn! [19:00] <Spown> hi mods! [19:00] * Spown pets snuffles [19:01] *** Witherwings has joined #lounge [19:01] <Aislinn> lol [19:01] <Spown> hi ww [19:01] <Aislinn> how are you this evening? [19:01] <Witherwings> Hi all!! [19:01] <Spown> hello [19:01] <Spown> i'm fine, u? [19:01] <SeverineSnape> Hey Beaky! [19:01] <Aislinn> very well, thanks [19:01] <Spown> good to hear [19:02] <harryfreak359> hi witherwings [19:02] <Spown> it has been an unusual week [19:02] <harryfreak359> I kind of zoned out there of a bit blink [19:02] <Aislinn> lol [19:02] *** matilda has joined #lounge [19:02] <Spown> it started off with Steve Irwin dying [19:02] <matilda> Hi! [19:02] <Witherwings> I'm a terrible chatter, dreadful typist [19:02] <Aislinn> matilda! [19:02] <Aislinn> welcome [19:02] <harryfreak359> that was so sad [19:02] <matilda> I agree [19:02] <Witherwings> Hi Matilda! [19:02] <Spown> hi matilda [19:03] <matilda> But at least he wasn't hit by a bus or stricken by cancer or something [19:03] <SeverineSnape> Yeah he did die doing what he loved [19:03] <Spown> good point [19:03] <Witherwings> Hi sdeath seemed kindof appropriate to me, not that it wasnt sad of course [19:03] <Spown> and of course, it was the first week of school for some of us [19:04] * harryfreak359 is running out of desk room [19:04] <SeverineSnape> I just thought he'd get mauled by something vicious, not a simple stingray jab [19:04] <harryfreak359> yeah [19:04] <Spown> i don't even know what a stingray is... [19:04] <Spown> !google stingray [19:04] <Witherwings> Better and quicker than a mauling, tho! [19:05] <harryfreak359> yeah [19:05] <SeverineSnape> lol [19:05] <Aislinn> I wonder if they could have saved him if he hadn't pulled the stinger out [19:05] <Spown> found it [19:05] <SeverineSnape> Well I don't know, I sort of thought it was a death almost unworthy of him [19:05] <Spown> maybe [19:05] <harryfreak359> I didn;t know that stingrays could kill you [19:05] <Aislinn> it would have acted as a plug to slow the bleeding if he had left it in [19:06] <Spown> yeah, i though a crocodile would shour devour him someday [19:06] <Witherwings> I think it was the poison that went right into his heart though [19:06] <matilda> Nah, he had the crocs under control [19:06] <Witherwings> or did i invent that? [19:06] <SeverineSnape> yes, anyone who ever watches TV hospital dramas knows you should not pull things out just like that [19:06] <matilda> it would have to be something that he wouldn't suspect! [19:06] <Aislinn> it wasn't the poison, it was the trauma of the heart being pierced [19:06] <Witherwings> sneaky little stingray [19:06] <Aislinn> and then the hole would have been widened by the barbs when he pulled it out [19:06] <SeverineSnape> It was the sting piercing his heart and the barbing of the sting when he pulled it out [19:06] <Witherwings> ah, i see [19:07] <SeverineSnape> what Aislinn said. [19:07] <harryfreak359> yeah, I thought he died instantly though, i didn't know he pulled out the barb [19:07] <Aislinn> lol [19:07] <Spown> anyway, anything interesting going on in the Harry Potter fandom? [19:07] * SeverineSnape might as well let Aislinn talk for her from now on [19:07] <Spown> news? [19:07] <Spown> pottercasts? [19:07] <Aislinn> and they apparently have it all on tape, as hi was being filmed at the time [19:07] <Spown> leakymugs? [19:07] <Aislinn> he [19:07] <SeverineSnape> well book 7 is going to be at least 750 pages which is good [19:07] <harryfreak359> oh [19:07] <Spown> that's a rumour though [19:07] <matilda> No news yet on a release date? [19:07] <Aislinn> did Jo say that sev? [19:07] <Witherwings> To satisfy me it must be 3,000 pgs [19:08] <harryfreak359> I think she did...didn't she? [19:08] <Spown> a british newpaper said Jo said it [19:08] <matilda> me too! [19:08] <SeverineSnape> I think she should split it into 2 books [19:08] <matilda> with indexes and appendixes like Tolkien! [19:08] <SeverineSnape> it happens with our essays all the time [19:08] <harryfreak359> aghh so we'd have to wait longer [19:08] <matilda> no! She must write it RIGHT NOW [19:08] <Spown> lol [19:08] <matilda> and have it out by July [19:08] <Spown> ok, calm down [19:08] <matilda> lol [19:08] <harryfreak359> lol [19:09] <SeverineSnape> I think she should take as much time as she likes [19:09] <Spown> she's a mother with young children [19:09] <Aislinn> lol, I'm actually not in a huge rush for it [19:09] <Spown> she'll write the books whenever she wants [19:09] <Aislinn> I'm enjoying the speculating [19:09] <matilda> why not? [19:09] <harryfreak359> well me either [19:09] <Spown> with book 7 evrything ends sad [19:09] <matilda> yeah, but the suspense! [19:09] <harryfreak359> I am going to go into major depression after it ends [19:09] <Aislinn> me too harryfreak [19:09] <Witherwings> Yes, post-potter depression will reach an alltime high [19:10] <Aislinn> especially if Harry dies - then I'll be inconsolable [19:10] <SeverineSnape> we need more chatters, where is everyone [19:10] <Spown> ok, that's why people wait untill Christmas morning to open hteir presents [19:10] <harryfreak359> I went into major depression after finishing 1-6 for a fifth time [19:10] <Witherwings> there is likely to be an increase in suicides [19:10] <Spown> the suspence is unberable but the surprise is great [19:10] <Aislinn> we started slow like this for the RG group too sev [19:10] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has joined #lounge [19:10] <harryfreak359> *sniff* [19:10] <matilda> I wonder what will happen to the fan world after? Like Leaky, what will there be to discuss? [19:10] <Aislinn> hi wagga! [19:10] <harryfreak359> hi wagga [19:10] <matilda> Hi Wagga! [19:10] <Witherwings> Hi www! [19:10] <Spown> after the 7th movie it all will be over sad [19:11] <Aislinn> depends on if she leaves anything open ended, like Snape's loyalty ;) [19:11] <harryfreak359> *sobbing* [19:11] <Spown> nothing more to talk about... so sad [19:11] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Got a cold, hf? Hi everyone! smile Semi finals coming up, too. [19:11] <harryfreak359> yeah we'll still find things to talk about [19:11] * SeverineSnape starts a-coughing and a-spluttering [19:11] <matilda> but then we'll *know*, that's got to be worth something! [19:11] <SeverineSnape> she wouldn't do THAT! [19:11] <Spown> there will be encyclopedia [19:11] <harryfreak359> lol [19:11] <Witherwings> I will cry if we go on like this....new subject! [19:11] <harryfreak359> hopefully not [19:11] <Spown> and she's writing a children's book [19:12] <Aislinn> she is [19:12] <harryfreak359> yeah, new subject this is too depressing [19:12] <Spown> don't worry aobut it [19:12] <Spown> there's a lot of time untill 2010 [19:12] <SeverineSnape> Yeah I bet there will be more harry in some shape or form [19:12] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Not really. End of season woes. No football, no Quidditch? [19:12] <matilda> But we'll have seven books to reread at any time! [19:12] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Besides we can discuss the books properly for at least a year. [19:12] <Spown> ok, how aobut we change the subject to accesories [19:12] <harryfreak359> yeah that is a good thing [19:12] <matilda> more than that [19:12] <Spown> i was thinking of buying a wand [19:12] <matilda> accesories? [19:13] <matilda> oh [19:13] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> I bought one as part of the fundraising for Katrina. [19:13] <Spown> sorry, i'm a bad speller(not american) [19:13] <Aislinn> do you have a specific one in mind? [19:13] <Spown> me? [19:13] <Aislinn> yes [19:13] <Spown> no, that's the problem [19:13] <harryfreak359> I like hermione's wand [19:13] <Spown> i have no idea what to buy, from where to buy it, etc [19:13] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Where are you from? [19:14] <SeverineSnape> Mine's 11 inch willow and unicorn hair [19:14] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Mine [19:14] <Spown> i live in the US but originally from Bulgaria [19:14] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Mine is redwood. Should have been eucalyptus [19:14] <Witherwings> Oh, I haven't found out what wand I need [19:14] <Spown> where do you guys buy those wands? [19:14] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> OK, Alivans are in Florida. [19:14] <SeverineSnape> there is or will be a wand making section in the crafts area [19:15] <Spown> so, Alivans? [19:15] *** Poet has joined #lounge [19:15] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> So, unlike me you won't have to go OS [19:15] <harryfreak359> hmmm...I wish the wands would choose us...that'd be awesome [19:15] <Aislinn> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [19:15] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [19:15] <Aislinn> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [19:15] <Aislinn> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like “Meg got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:16] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [19:16] <Aislinn> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:16] <SeverineSnape> Quidditch plays a deeper role in the Harry Potter books than what is immediately obvious. In addition to being fun to read about, I believe it mirrors the bigger plots of the books, helps define the roles of many characters, and explains what kind of hero Harry is and what type of challenge he faces. There's a lot to be learned from a simple game of Quidditch! [19:16] <SeverineSnape> Ooops sorry did that wrong.... [19:17] <SeverineSnape> Matilda is a rabid Harry Potter fan, a bank teller, and a beginner quilter. She lives in Texas with her fiance, dog, cat, and fish, all of whom are remarkably tolerant of the whole 'HP thing'. Her favorite authors include: Jane Austin, Christopher Moore, J.R.R. Tolkien, Alice Walker and Agatha Christie. Matilda is addicted to all kinds of puzzles... jigsaw, crossword, logic, sudoku, you name it. [19:17] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [19:18] <Spown> rdy? [19:18] <Aislinn> So, let's talk about this fascinating essay [19:18] <Spown> hi, matilda, nice to meet you [19:18] <matilda> Hi! [19:18] <matilda> I hope you all like Quidditch.... [19:18] <SeverineSnape> Matilda posits that there are strong parallels between the games of Quidditch within the books, and the underlying themes of each book. What parallels do we see between the first match and the underlying theme of PS/SS? [19:18] <matilda> I had to reread my own essay to get ready today [19:19] <Spown> you betcha! [19:19] <Witherwings> (in unison) We love it! [19:19] <SeverineSnape> we love your essay matilda! It rocks. [19:19] <harryfreak359> yay...it was great! [19:19] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Well yes. How do we define the themes of each book? [19:19] <Spown> well in the first match Harry is kind of uncertain [19:19] <matilda> one theme of the first book is confusion [19:19] <Spown> he is not confident if he can play the game and thinks he'll lose [19:20] <harryfreak359> *silence* [19:20] <Spown> well the first book all about introduction [19:20] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> In the first game it is a new and wonderful experience. But then Quirrell tries to kill him by knocking him off his broom [19:20] <Spown> introduction to the magical world, EVIL, and Good ;) [19:21] <Aislinn> which we think is Snape at the time [19:21] <matilda> exactly [19:21] <harryfreak359> yeah [19:21] <matilda> it's not who we think [19:21] <Aislinn> which is one bit of confusion [19:21] <SeverineSnape> Yes Harry's broomstick is jinxed by quirrell but he thinks it's snape [19:21] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> That is right. Snape is rather prominently suspect [19:21] <Spown> actually Hermione thinks that [19:21] <harryfreak359> which is weird [19:21] <Aislinn> is there any other confusion that you felt this symbolised, matilda? [19:21] <Spown> cause she sees Snape looking at harry's broom [19:21] <SeverineSnape> which is also how the book ends: Snape is suspected but cleared while quirrell is the real culprit [19:21] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hermione intervenes and stops the rot [19:21] <matilda> no, just the uncertainty of not knowing whether he's cut out for this [19:22] * Spown agrees [19:22] <matilda> finding out that he's born to be a seeker after all [19:22] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> That is a point. Realising that there is more to it than being selected [19:22] <Spown> yep [19:23] <harryfreak359> Hey, I have dishes to do, I'll be back in a few [19:23] <Spown> ok, have fun hh [19:23] <matilda> dishes? at a time like this? [19:23] <Spown> !hf [19:23] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> The second one wasn't shown on the film. Harry won it hands down [19:23] <harryfreak359> it is 4:23 [19:23] <harryfreak359> pm [19:23] <SeverineSnape> That is actually a good point that matilda makes, Harry was born to be a seeker, he did not train for it [19:23] <Spown> yep [19:23] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Probably. I'm eating breakfast while I type [19:23] <Spown> how does that work though? [19:23] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [19:23] <SeverineSnape> which sort of instantly brings us to the seeker symbolism [19:23] <matilda> right. He's a little first year, only a month at Hogwarts. And he wins both games easily [19:24] <Witherwings> It's "in his blood" as Hermione says in the film [19:24] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> With Draco to sneer at winning the first game. He caught it in his mouth [19:24] <matilda> but it still counts! [19:24] * Spown will listen for awhile [19:25] <Aislinn> Is there symbolism to Harry being such a natural as a Seeker? [19:25] <matilda> I think it represents his place as the "hero" in the story [19:25] <matilda> he's naturally the one that will conquer evil [19:25] <Spown> yes, he's born for seeking the Snitch and horcruxes... [19:25] <SeverineSnape> absolutely, the seeker is the one who has to finish the match, work on his own and clinch the deal [19:25] <matilda> yeah [19:25] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Of course. Yes. All of life is a game. And it doesn't matter whether you win or lose, it is how you play the gam [19:25] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> sorry * game* [19:25] <matilda> but here it does matter, right? [19:25] <Aislinn> that is what I see too, spown - he is a natural for seeking out the evil, like the Horcruxes [19:26] <matilda> he has to win the end game, or at least tie it, to save his world [19:26] <Spown> the 7th book won't have a quiddich match but we'll see harry putting his seeker skills to the test [19:26] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> That too. That was part of Matilda's essay. Oliver Wood the world's best keeper. Like Ron. [19:26] <SeverineSnape> Well he is the one who has to END the game, it does not mean he gets to win it [19:26] <Aislinn> agreed spown [19:26] * Spown cheers [19:27] <matilda> agreed sev, but I hope he wins! [19:27] <SeverineSnape> but then, Harry has NEVER LOST A MATCH so chances are he will win the big match too [19:27] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> That too. Remember Krum. Ginny did something similar [19:27] <matilda> what about the one in POA? [19:27] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Exactly [19:27] <matilda> when he passes out, Hufflepuff wins? [19:27] <Spown> well, it was never Harry's fault he lost a match [19:28] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Disastrous match. In POA the only one where we see Harry play Ravenclaw [19:28] <Aislinn> that didn't seem fair to me - it wasn't his fault the game was invaded by Dementors [19:28] <Spown> it was either the Dementors, bad teammates, bad jokes, etc [19:28] <SeverineSnape> yes each time Harry plays, he catches the snitch [19:28] <matilda> yeah, but I don't see how it would matter in the end against lv whether it's his fault or not! [19:28] <Aislinn> well, that's very true matilda biggrin [19:28] <SeverineSnape> he is often thwarted in his attempts, but when he's there, he wins [19:28] <matilda> what interested me is the steps that harry took after that game [19:28] <Spown> if it is HP vs LV hands down, Harry will win [19:28] <matilda> he takes it on himself to never let it happen again [19:29] <Spown> just like if it was HP vs the Snitch [19:29] <matilda> doing what's almost impossible for someone his age-- the patronus [19:29] <Aislinn> yes, he is very determined not to be incapacitated, and works hard to prevent it [19:29] <Spown> yeah [19:29] <matilda> doesn't make the same mistake twice! [19:29] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But will it be enough? [19:29] <Spown> and that's a great thing [19:29] <matilda> I think it will [19:29] <Spown> Harry learns form his mistakes [19:29] <Spown> LV doesn't... [19:29] <Spown> LV is too ignorant [19:30] <matilda> he's much more grown up now, and more serious about things [19:30] <Spown> but we're getting off track here. I'm sorry [19:30] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> As Fudge said the opposition skilled too. [19:30] <SeverineSnape> Let’s focus on the seeker being the one to work alone and being responsible for ending the match. How does this relate to the storylines in each book? [19:30] <matilda> well, in each of the first 4, Harry ends up facing evil alone [19:31] <Spown> oh, it has to be HP vs LV at the end... IT has to be [19:31] <matilda> Quirrell, snake/tom, dementors, LV [19:31] <Spown> of course they both wil lhave a team to back them up [19:31] <matilda> yeah, but in Qui9dditch the teams fly around and leave the Seekers alone for the most part [19:31] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But he also faced LV in OotP. Nor was he alone in HBP [19:31] <Aislinn> but it does come down to Harry and his actions, what the outcome is [19:31] <SeverineSnape> yes he does, he is helped along the way by his chasers keepers and beaters, but in the end, Harry faces the snitch alone [19:31] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [19:31] <Spown> wb hf [19:31] <matilda> he wasn't ready yet then [19:31] <Aislinn> wb harryfreak [19:32] <harryfreak359> hi again [19:32] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> wb hf [19:32] <Aislinn> he has learned something from every adventure, and every quidditch match [19:32] *** Poet has joined #lounge [19:32] <Aislinn> hi poet! [19:32] <Spown> wb poet [19:32] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> wb poet [19:32] <harryfreak359> so what are we discussing? [19:32] <matilda> it seems that LV is rigid, and doesn't learn as much anymore [19:32] <Poet> thanks [19:32] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Proud, stiff-necked etc [19:32] <Aislinn> we are talking about Harry's role as seeker, and how he must work alone [19:32] <matilda> exactly [19:33] <harryfreak359> thanks Aislinn [19:33] *** Spown has quit [Bye] [19:33] <matilda> helped along the way, but alone in the end [19:33] *** Spown has joined #lounge [19:33] *** SeverineSnape has quit [Bye] [19:33] <Spown> oops [19:33] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Sometimes bad for teammates to hang around eg. with the rogue bludger [19:33] <Spown> back [19:33] <Aislinn> uh oh - technical difficulties right and left [19:33] *** SeverineSnape has joined #lounge [19:34] <harryfreak359> hehe...my computer messed up again [19:34] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> In the end he had to tell team to back off & let him sort it out [19:34] <harryfreak359> brb [19:34] <matilda> yeah like in the MOM-- they got in the way everywhere, on both sides! [19:34] <Aislinn> let's talk about the roge bludger: Harry's arm is broken by a rogue Bludger in the second book. Does Harry face dangers in the larger tale that of which this attack is symbolic? [19:34] <Spown> snuffles is sick...poor servy [19:34] <matilda> Well, there's a monster out there that has killed students in the past! [19:34] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [19:34] <Poet> bludger shouldn't be going after one person [19:34] <matilda> it's like a reminder that they can indeed be hurt! [19:34] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> From being deflected from his purpose by misguided fan [19:34] <matilda> sorry, too many ex-points here. [19:35] <Poet> Likewise suddenly a book is dangerous and deciding that it wants to target Harry [19:35] *** SeverineSnape has quit [Bye] [19:35] <Aislinn> good point, poet [19:35] <Poet> So, yes - dangers from unexpected sources [19:35] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Book telling lies. [19:35] <Spown> yep [19:35] <Poet> A physical object was given powers beyond the norm [19:35] <matilda> And more threat of physical harm than before [19:35] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Like Gilderoy's 7 books [19:35] <matilda> yeah! [19:36] <matilda> never thought of that [19:36] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Seductive [19:36] <Poet> One was placed there by Malfoy (the book) and one by his house elf (the bludger) [19:36] *** SeverineSnape has joined #lounge [19:36] <Poet> His arm was damaged both times [19:36] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Malfoy a problem. Sledging [19:36] <matilda> good point about the arm [19:36] <Poet> Broken when it came in contact with the bludger and pierced when fighting the basilisk. [19:36] <matilda> that fang could have gone anywhere [19:36] <SeverineSnape> Sorry guys, connection problems [19:36] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [19:36] <Aislinn> sledging? [19:37] <Aislinn> hi, cloudpic [19:37] <Spown> welcome cloudpick [19:37] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [19:37] <matilda> hi1 [19:37] <cloudpic> Thanks! [19:37] <cloudpic> Love your essay, Matilda! [19:37] <Poet> Later in Book 4 we see Harry's arm once more damaged - as it is pierced to remove some of his blood [19:37] <Aislinn> we are talking about the symbolism in the second book, specifically with being hit by a bludger [19:37] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Sports term. Severine snape would understand. [19:37] <harryfreak359> hi cloudpic [19:37] <cloudpic> Hi, hf [19:37] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Sledging a cricket term for the sort of thing Draco Malfoy does [19:37] <matilda> And in book five it's his hand [19:37] <Poet> Yes, the bludger attack's significance for the larger threat in Book 2 [19:37] * Spown is afk for 2.33 minutes [19:38] <Aislinn> shall we move on to book 3? [19:39] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Bludger is someone who doesn't work, or who lives off someone else [19:39] <Poet> Oh [19:39] <Spown> oh, inferi? [19:39] <Poet> Yeah, book 3 is great. [19:39] <Spown> interesting [19:39] <cloudpic> But you bludgeon someone...a terrible beating, no? [19:39] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> No Aussie expression for a lazy person [19:39] <matilda> yep [19:39] <cloudpic> Oh! [19:39] <Aislinn> that's what I think of too, cloudpic [19:39] <cloudpic> Bludgers not lazy, unfortunately!! ;) [19:39] <Aislinn> Quidditch plays an important role in the third book, as we finally see all three matches. The first is the fact that the team the Gryffindors are supposed to play are switched at the last moment. What does this parallel in the main plot of the story? [19:40] *** gryffindelle has joined #lounge [19:40] <matilda> Peter and Sirius [19:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Snitch also used for a sneak. Wormtail a sneak [19:40] <matilda> switching roles [19:40] <Poet> Yes indeed [19:40] <gryffindelle> hi [19:40] <Aislinn> hey gryff [19:40] <matilda> Hi! [19:40] <Spown> hello [19:40] <cloudpic> Good point! [19:40] <cloudpic> WW [19:40] <cloudpic> W [19:40] <Aislinn> that is a good point, wagga [19:41] <matilda> And Harry loses to Hufflepuff. I find that interesting [19:41] <cloudpic> All the deception and switching...it's a wonder the trio are able to form any opinions by Book 6 [19:41] <cloudpic> Why? [19:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Also interesting that in first match Hufflepuff good decent team [19:41] <matilda> because they're underestimated! [19:41] <Poet> Also, Harry had not been dreading the match and suddenly he find out something that puts fear into him.... [19:41] <Spown> yeah [19:41] <cloudpic> Gotta establish Cedric's crediblility, no? [19:41] <Spown> poorhufflepuff [19:41] <cloudpic> credibility [19:42] * harryfreak359 feels as though a wrackspurt is floating above her head, as she can't come up with anything to say [19:42] <matilda> liked it better the first way [19:42] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [19:42] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Interesting that 1st book only one Gryffindor won against Hufflepuff. Every other match they lost. [19:42] <Aislinn> yeah, I think it was important to set up Cedric as a competent sort, so he would be believable in the next book as champion [19:42] <SeverineSnape> Absolutely, I think it was important to show that Cedric is a good player [19:42] <Spown> yes [19:42] <Witherwings> hufflepuff is underestimated, so is scabbers/peter. he sneaks up on us as a villain [19:42] <matilda> And to show HPuff as more than just losers [19:42] <Spown> The Hufflepuff match was to show us more of Cedric [19:42] <matilda> yes [19:42] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Fair player who wanted to replay game [19:42] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Also good looking [19:43] <Spown> yeah [19:43] <Aislinn> it did show his character, wagga, that is a good point [19:43] <cloudpic> Oh, the fair play issue was important... [19:43] <Poet> Malfoy fakes his injury and so does Peter as well [19:43] <Aislinn> we learn that he is honorable [19:43] <matilda> Right. They always see Hpuff as harmless, and so was scabbers/peter [19:43] <cloudpic> echo! [19:43] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Again an arm injury [19:43] <Spown> echo [19:43] <Witherwings> oh yes, i hadn't thought of that poet [19:43] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Malfoy switches games due to so called injury [19:44] <cloudpic> Heh heh...maybe Harry will survive the series... but lose an arm [19:44] <Aislinn> Next is the presence of the Dementors at the game. As we know, they cause Harry to hear his parents' final words, and also cause him to lose consciousness. Does this parallel any events within the main story? [19:44] <matilda> well it highlights the importance of the "back story" to this book... the Marauder generation [19:44] <Spown> ye [19:44] <Spown> s [19:45] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> He has to let go of his longing for his parents. As in rogue bludger, he has to stop expecting support [19:45] <cloudpic> And gives Harry an even greater sense of "purpose" [19:45] <Spown> also we find out what has happened when harry's parents died...or what's heard when they die [19:45] <cloudpic> Looking ahead...rather than back to his childhood? [19:45] <matilda> he applies himself right away to overcoming his disablity [19:45] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [19:45] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> we learn about the marauders. Black goes to first game [19:45] <cloudpic> A seeker.... [19:45] <SeverineSnape> I think that it symbolises that Harry's tragic past could get in the way of him doing what he is meant to do [19:45] <matilda> marches down to Lupin, asks for lessons [19:45] <Aislinn> yes, he is very determined about overcoming what he sees as a weakness in himself [19:46] <SeverineSnape> But Harry won't let anything get in the way of him ending the game [19:46] <Aislinn> that's a good point, sev [19:46] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes, it could. Good point SS [19:46] <matilda> clearly Harry wouldn't let his past get in the way of his future [19:46] <cloudpic> I liked the Harry in this book especially... [19:46] <matilda> me too!@ [19:46] <matilda> except when he sneaks down to Hogsmeade [19:46] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> What about the second game? I loved the way it ended. With the patronus riding down Malfoy [19:46] <cloudpic> well, yes... [19:46] <matilda> and doesn't talk to Hermione for ages [19:46] <Aislinn> because of his determination, cloudpic? [19:46] <harryfreak359> yeah [19:46] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [19:46] <matilda> it shows Harry back on top and in control [19:46] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [19:47] <cloudpic> Yes...and the fact that he scolds himself...working so hard on self improvement...and still so young! [19:47] <Aislinn> yes - it shows a lot of strength of character [19:47] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It teaches him why he should accept limits. Discipline is what bk is about. Grendelmonster would say justice [19:47] <SeverineSnape> Yes Harry in PoA is very strong and determined. Also very just and fair. [19:47] <matilda> bk? [19:47] <Aislinn> book [19:48] <cloudpic> And growing sense of the importance of teamwork... [19:48] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Not very just and fair to Hermione though. [19:48] <matilda> no! [19:48] <matilda> and she was just trying to help [19:48] <Aislinn> wagga is referring to her essay and another one - both written on the virtues and their relation to the story [19:48] <Poet> I'm trying to think of how this might tie in with Trelawney's classes, He is very sleepy there - the sights the smells are overwhelming. The idea of losing control, of something (like a dementor or destiny) having control over us. [19:48] <matilda> hmm [19:48] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:48] *** Spown has quit [Bye] [19:49] <matilda> Harry hates losing control [19:49] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Last Quidditch match against Slytherin. How does that fit in with storyline [19:49] <matilda> A major victory, for one thing [19:49] <cloudpic> hmmm...perhaps why Quidditch is an outdoors sport... the fresh air, the wildness... the weather [19:49] <Poet> Yes, Harry feels like these things outside of himself are ruling his life instead of him. [19:49] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Certainly ratcheted up the excitement [19:49] <harryfreak359> testing [19:49] <cloudpic> Not a controlled environment. [19:49] <harryfreak359> smile [19:50] <Aislinn> to return to the first match of PoA, for a second: Finally, Harry loses his beloved Nimbus 2000 to the Whomping Willow after he falls off of it. Again, we have hidden meanings layered within this event. What are some of these events? [19:50] *** gryffindelle has quit [Bye] [19:50] <cloudpic> Another loss... [19:50] <harryfreak359> yeah [19:50] <cloudpic> which he wasn't ready to let go of [19:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Whomping willow sort of punishment [19:51] <matilda> well the willow owed him one! [19:51] <cloudpic> The willow was created to protect Lupin... [19:51] <cloudpic> Any connection? [19:51] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> will be silent. Have to do a couple of things ;) [19:51] <SeverineSnape> Well Harry constantly loses things and people that have been instrumental in helping him in his cause [19:51] <Aislinn> I think it is interesting how the willow is brought into the story in this way [19:51] <matilda> to protect everyone else from lupin, more like [19:51] <cloudpic> Good point.. [19:51] <Poet> He is also reliving the loss of his parents. [19:51] <matilda> like a reminder [19:51] <Aislinn> since it ends up being so significant in relation to the Maurauders, which Harry finds later [19:52] <matilda> right. this book is all about the backstory [19:52] <Poet> Things that are important to him are suddenly taken away. [19:52] <matilda> the willow is reminiscent of that [19:52] <cloudpic> Again it's a wild uncontrolled thing which takes away something he used to control difficult circumstances...in Quidditch [19:53] <matilda> yeah. [19:53] <matilda> like losing his mind over the dementors? [19:53] <Aislinn> I think he considered the broom a part of himself, so it was a very personal loss [19:53] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Whomping willow deterrent not for hurting people [19:53] <matilda> tree-hugger [19:53] <matilda> :) [19:54] <Poet> Harry's favorite thing to do seems to be Quidditch, so it indeed strikes him very close to home. [19:54] <Aislinn> but it seems to represent danger when Ron is dragged under its roots [19:54] <matilda> and the unknown [19:54] <cloudpic> It's like staking a bear in a school yard though [19:54] <Aislinn> yes, matilda [19:54] <matilda> none of the other students seem to go near it [19:54] <matilda> Harry and ron didn't even know what it was in COS [19:55] <cloudpic> sensible [19:55] <Aislinn> which is sort of odd, matilda - you would think the students would be warned of it in 1st year [19:55] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Weather stormy in that match. Foul weather friends in both. [19:55] <matilda> well it's right near the FF, right? [19:55] <Poet> He had just seen the Grim at the match. A belonging being destroyed parallels the perceived danger of Siruis Black coming to destroy him as well. [19:55] <cloudpic> Is there anything to the fact that the goals in Quidditch are above ground? I mean, yes, they play on broomsticks, but why not have the goal as a large hole? [19:55] <matilda> very ture [19:56] <SeverineSnape> Let’s move to Goblet of fire. There were no Quidditch matches in the Goblet of Fire. Is this in itself symbolic of anything? [19:56] <matilda> I don't see how large holes would fit with the broomsticks though [19:56] <Poet> The broom ended up in little pieces and so did Peter supposedly [19:56] <cloudpic> And the seeker plays on the "highest" level [19:56] <matilda> that the focus of Harry's life is changing? [19:56] <cloudpic> Yeah... I suppose [19:57] <matilda> From quidditch and hogwarts to the larger world? [19:57] <cloudpic> *sigh* [19:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Aerial ping-pong. Aussie Rules [19:57] <cloudpic> Sounds scary.... [19:57] <Poet> The book is the middle one. The tournament involves three seekers actually [19:57] <matilda> four [19:57] <Poet> Cedric, Krum, and Harry. [19:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Had to apply what he learned elsewhere [19:57] <matilda> Fleur anyone? [19:57] <SeverineSnape> yes there are seekers all over the place in GoF [19:57] <Poet> Sorry, I meant those that actually play seeker [19:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> And there was QMC. Krum getting the snitch but losing game [19:57] <SeverineSnape> Cedric, Krum, Harry, even Cho [19:57] <matilda> oh sorry! [19:57] <Aislinn> I think that is true matilda - the focus shifts from the shelter of the school and games, to the wider wizarding world [19:58] <Aislinn> world [19:58] <Poet> Yes, all three champions are seekers in their own right as well [19:58] <matilda> I think that's shown by how long it takes them to finally get to Hogwarts! [19:58] <matilda> in pages I mean [19:58] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Fleur introduced as being more than a fashionplate [19:58] <cloudpic> That thing about the seeker winning the game, but his team losing the game is worrisome... [19:58] <SeverineSnape> It is interesting though that Cedric nearly wins the tournament [19:58] <Aislinn> it is interesting that so many Seekers were picked to be Triwizard Champions [19:58] <Aislinn> I hadn't really thought about that connection before [19:58] <matilda> they're well sutied for it [19:58] <matilda> suited [19:59] <Poet> The seeker is used to working on their own [19:59] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Shows why the Irish team won. You need to be with a good team [19:59] <SeverineSnape> Yes I wonder what that means.... [19:59] <Aislinn> it is cloudpic - do you think it is foreshadowing? [19:59] <matilda> teamwork rules! [19:59] <cloudpic> Yes. [19:59] <matilda> And harry uses his team in book foru [19:59] <matilda> four [19:59] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes yes yes!! [19:59] <matilda> to help research, to practice [19:59] <cbm> I never thought about all the seakers in the tournament, does how well you fly, coorelate with how powerful a wizard you are? [19:59] <matilda> I doubt it [19:59] <matilda> look at Hermione [20:00] <matilda> And we've never seen DD on a broom [20:00] <Poet> Funny, Harry does have his team around him - people helping him out with the tasks for the tournament [20:00] <Aislinn> well, at end of HBP we did matilda [20:00] <cloudpic> Well, we didn't see Dumbledore on a broomstick until the end... and then he sort of came back to energy for a bit... [20:00] <matilda> yeah. But not as one of his skills [20:00] <Aislinn> but I agree it doesn't correlate [20:00] <cbm> I do not think Hermione is powerful, I think she is knowledgeable [20:00] <cloudpic> Just before the tower. [20:00] <cbm> It was just a thought [20:00] <cloudpic> She can work the spells though [20:01] <Witherwings> I think Hermione is very powerful! [20:01] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Still part of team. Information literacy. A seeker after information [20:01] <matilda> I disagree, I think she's got some power. It's in the little things-- the fire, the protean charm [20:01] <SeverineSnape> I'm not sure hermione is powerful either [20:01] <cloudpic> Her mind is sooooo quick [20:01] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes she is. well-informed [20:01] <cloudpic> She makes the same kind of intuitive leaps Harry does [20:01] <Aislinn> yes, the ability to make the protean charm, the impervio she used on Harry's glasses [20:01] <matilda> If there's no spell she can't do-- instantly, silently-- doens't that imply that she's powerful? [20:01] <Poet> Quidditch is normally something that distracts Harry in a good way. He has the tournament that does that for him instead. He is also in seeker mode as he tries to get a date to the ball. Cedric beats him to it in this case. [20:01] <Witherwings> She is a force to be reckoned with, she thought and created the Polyjuice potion for one [20:01] <cloudpic> 1 + ? + 2 [20:01] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> UP librarians smile [20:01] <SeverineSnape> I think her midichlorian count is only just above average (giggle) [20:01] <Aislinn> I think so matilda [20:02] <harryfreak359> I think her mind is powerful and quick, but Harry is more powerful magic wise [20:02] <SeverineSnape> exactly [20:02] <matilda> I don't see why [20:02] <Witherwings> Yes, they work together well [20:02] <harryfreak359> lol severine [20:02] <Poet> Cedric was the only one who ever beat Harry to the snitch as well. [20:02] <Aislinn> that is probably true harryfreak [20:02] <matilda> Unless it's just to keep the hero on top [20:02] <cloudpic> Yes. Harry is clearly most powerful....he doesn't know his own ability/strength [20:02] <cloudpic> Where Hermione tests hers [20:02] <SeverineSnape> Oh good point Poet! [20:02] <cloudpic> regulary [20:02] <SeverineSnape> Cedric beat Harry to the snitch and almost beat him to the cup too [20:03] <cloudpic> Oh...I didn't realize that about Cedric Poet! [20:03] <matilda> but we've never seen her come to a wall. never seen her really challenged [20:03] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Cedric the best. But he didn't survive. Died after achieving victory. Greek classic [20:03] <matilda> yeah. [20:03] <Poet> So Cedric was a bit of an equal to Harry, but all of Harry's equals are being killed off, yes. [20:03] <Poet> We see the start of that in book 4 [20:03] <matilda> I would say that Cedric is actuallly superior in this book [20:03] * harryfreak359 is now done multi tasking [20:03] <Witherwings> True Matilda. I think if Hermy were really up against it she would surprise us all [20:03] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Greek classic athlete. died at the point of victory. But prize was a poisoned chalice [20:03] <cloudpic> Well.... if Krum bites the dust early in Book 7.... I may not finish reading the book...;( [20:04] <cloudpic> Yeah...Hermione did nail Draco! [20:04] <matilda> older, bigger, handsomer, more experienced...and noble [20:04] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> HF not the only one. I had to get changed as well. [20:04] <matilda> Cedric, that is. Actually better than Harry in book 4. [20:04] <harryfreak359> smile [20:05] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But Harry does well all the same. Neat the way he used Quidditch skills to get the golden egg [20:05] <matilda> oh yes [20:05] <cloudpic> In some ways... this is going to sound odd, but Cedric seemed more naive than Harry...less "street wise" [20:05] <harryfreak359> yeah totally [20:05] <matilda> He shows his true ability, as he does with Quidditch [20:05] <Aislinn> I think he was cloudpic [20:05] <harryfreak359> it doesn't sound odd cloudpic, I agree [20:05] <Aislinn> he came from a comfortable and sheltered home [20:05] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Also team spirit when he saw to it that all people returned to shore [20:05] <SeverineSnape> Harry is only able to play one Quidditch match in OotP, due to the permanent banning he receives from Umbridge. How does this relate to he way that Harry is being treated in the larger context of the wizarding world? [20:06] <cloudpic> And he's so personally noble, he doesn't expect evil [20:06] <Aislinn> right [20:06] <harryfreak359> That part of OotP made me so mad [20:06] <cloudpic> Taking away his only release! [20:06] <harryfreak359> *fumes* [20:06] <cloudpic> *stomps foot* [20:06] <matilda> Well, Umbridge tries to diminish him. So does the MOM/Daily Prophet [20:06] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> He is rejected and demoted, but he still has to stick with his beliefs [20:06] <Aislinn> I think its interesting how he is dismissed as Seeker at the same point he is rejected as the Chosen One [20:06] <matilda> yes aislinn! [20:06] <Poet> Harry is essentially taken out of the "match." The wizarding world has removed its stamp of approval. [20:06] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Grendel monster would say he still has to keep faith with himself [20:06] <harryfreak359> Yeah, aislinn [20:07] <SeverineSnape> yes, good point aislinn! [20:07] *** stinkywinky has joined #lounge [20:07] *** stinkywinky has quit [Bye] [20:07] <matilda> they are correllaries [20:07] <matilda> his "hero" role = is "Seeker" role; it makes sense taht they are denied at the same time [20:07] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Also, Harry has to learn to control his anger [20:07] <matilda> doesn't do that so well [20:07] <matilda> :) [20:07] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Get past the stinking trolls [20:07] <Aislinn> and she doesn't just forbid him to play the next game, but tries to give him a lifetime ban [20:08] <matilda> she thinks she's so powerufl [20:08] <SeverineSnape> Yes she stops him from ever playing again [20:08] <Aislinn> saying, in effect, go back to your corner, we don't want you involved in the wizarding world anymore [20:08] <matilda> and one year later, he's the Captain! [20:08] <SeverineSnape> or tries to anyway [20:08] <cbm> Umbridge was evil! The fact that she is still in the ministry worries me. [20:08] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But the team goes on without him. We see Ron being a good keeper. Ginny starts playing [20:08] <Poet> Harry faced total removal from Hogwarts at the start of the book - this is a bit like the lifetime quidditch ban you mentioned Ann. [20:08] <Aislinn> I can't wait to see what JKR has in store for her(but that is off topic) [20:08] <matilda> JKR says she wants to "torture" Umbridge some more [20:09] <matilda> in an interview [20:09] <matilda> I can't wait to see that! [20:09] <harryfreak359> (me too Aislinn) [20:09] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Harry not only one banned. What about twins? [20:09] <SeverineSnape> yes I never rewalised this but Harry is being shut out of everything that makes him Harry [20:09] <matilda> well, they're out of the game, and out of the school! [20:09] <harryfreak359> yeah [20:09] <Poet> The twins were banned and they DO leave Hogwarts, [20:09] <Aislinn> he did Poet - they are really trying to minimize him in whatever way they can [20:09] <matilda> they will not bow down and give in no matter what [20:09] <matilda> the twins that is [20:09] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Snape kept trying to get harry expelled [20:09] <cloudpic> A kind of burning him to his core person so he can move on... [20:10] <harryfreak359> When did Snape try to get him expellled? [20:10] <cloudpic> Speaking of bludgers!! [20:10] <cloudpic> (twins) [20:10] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Twins lost money to Bagman, betting on Quidditch match. [20:10] <matilda> I thought that was a bit of a red herring [20:10] <matilda> so that we'd suspect Bagman of things [20:10] <cloudpic> Yeah, I did... [20:10] <cloudpic> duh [20:11] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Twins got poor results in OWLS. Why they were considered bludgers as well as beaters [20:11] <matilda> And to make the money Harry gives the twins more meaningful [20:11] <harryfreak359> ooh...my computer is going to be the death of me--brb! [20:11] <matilda> Shows that grades aren't everything! [20:11] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Why one should not gamble. (self-righteous mode ;)) [20:11] <cloudpic> Ah! [20:11] <cloudpic> Certainly true! [20:11] <matilda> OWLS= /= success! [20:11] <cloudpic> not [20:11] <Aislinn> right [20:11] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [20:11] <matilda> Well they gambled with a dishonest person [20:11]<SeverineSnape> Let's move on to HBP. What did you think of the addition of Dean and then McClaggen to the team? [20:12] <Aislinn> because they are certainly successful without them [20:12] <matilda> Harry expanding his team> [20:12] <cloudpic> Before that, did they have tryouts every year??? [20:12] <cloudpic> I don't remember that [20:12] <Aislinn> I don't think they made a point of it cloudpic [20:12] <matilda> Not in the second or third year, because the team remained the same [20:12] <cloudpic> But she told Harry they should [20:12] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Showed the importance of team spirit. Relevant to marriage as well. Fleur wanting to marry Bill. [20:12] <cloudpic> to be fari [20:12] <cloudpic> rair [20:12] <matilda> not in the fourth, no quiddich [20:12] <cloudpic> fair [20:12] <SeverineSnape> I think it's again all about needing to have a good team behind you. The best players are not always the best teammates [20:12] <cloudpic> yeah [20:13] <cloudpic> Good point SS [20:13] <Poet> People trying to be on Harry's team that are impediments to him... hmm. [20:13] <matilda> I don't get it... how to the tryouts relate to marriage? [20:13] <cloudpic> Or think they know more than he does.... [20:13] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Especially if they are up themselves like McLaggan. [20:13] <Aislinn> yes, teamwork is going to be so vital to Harry in the final book, and he learns this even more strongly here [20:13] <matilda> Like Scrimguerour [20:13] <matilda> argh [20:13] <matilda> can't spell [20:13] <cloudpic> sure you can, or you wouldn't know it was wrong, ;) [20:14] <cloudpic> heh heh [20:14] <Aislinn> it is worrying, from that perspective, isn't it poet? [20:14] <matilda> can't TYPE [20:14] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Harry not at tryouts in OOP. The care he takes is the care needed in selecting a marriage partner. [20:14] <Aislinn> does it suggest that someone on his team will be an impediment next book? [20:14] <SeverineSnape> Let's talk about McLaggen. He accidentally hits a bludger at Harry and incapacitates him, is this symbolic? [20:14] <matilda> But his "real" team is shaping up nicely [20:14] <cloudpic> OH! [20:14] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Merope using love potions. [20:14] <matilda> yes, I think it represents the MOM [20:14] <Poet> At first Harry was able to sidestep McLaggan with the help of Hermione , who put Ron back in his proper place as Harry's keeper. [20:15] <matilda> They're trying to fight LV as well but just getting in the way [20:15] <matilda> good point Poet! [20:15] <matilda> I never saw that [20:15] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> McLaggan an impediment in THIS book [20:15] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [20:16] <matilda> could also be Slughorn... wants to be on Harry's team but not good for much [20:16] <SeverineSnape> But someone on the team sort of 'backstabs' harry and stops his game [20:16] <matilda> but on accident, not on purpose [20:16] <Aislinn> that is what I'm worried about sev [20:16] <matilda> that's important I think [20:16] <Aislinn> will someone end up being Imperiused or something? [20:16] <matilda> that's why I'm thinking the MoM-- they're so disorganized [20:16] <Aislinn> end up being an impediment in that way? [20:16] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Because team member thought he should be in charge not harry [20:16] <matilda> like the MoM [20:17] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> yep. [20:17] <cloudpic> yes [20:17] <Poet> But then Ron is taken out and McLaggen is back in. McLaggan fouls up pretty good though, somehow this reminds me of Snape - [20:17] <matilda> I don't think it would be someone imperioused, because McClaggen was acting freely [20:17] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> The team able to go on and win the tournament even without Harry. [20:17] <matilda> why Snape? [20:17] <SeverineSnape> Yes it reminds me of Snape too [20:17] <Aislinn> that's true matilda [20:17] <cloudpic> Just mistaken in his self-importance [20:17] <cloudpic> Snape? [20:17] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> snape got his wish to get Harry off team. That detention [20:17] <matilda> then probably scimgeour? or Percy? [20:17] <Poet> Because Snape is not completely helping Harry like we'd like him to. [20:18] <SeverineSnape> MCLaggen accidentally stops the game... Maybe snape accidentally made the UV that ended up stopping the game for DD [20:18] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Snape hates harry [20:18] <cloudpic> No.. but neither Harry nor Snape are ready for that [20:18] <cloudpic> Yet [20:18] <Poet> Yes Severine [20:18] <Aislinn> and doesn't believe that Harry can effectively lead, like McClaggen [20:18] <cloudpic> coming though I think [20:18] <matilda> good point, but we don't know whether snape wants on harry's team or not! He's so ambigous, whereas we know that McClaggen at least wants a win for Gryffindor [20:18] <cloudpic> true.... [20:19] <cloudpic> McC = Mom [20:19] <matilda> that's what I thinkl [20:19] <cloudpic> I think it's all the well-meaning older sorts who think they know what Harry should do [20:19] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Snape hated it when Harry won Hufflepuff game in 1st bk. Even though Snape referreeing it [20:20] <cloudpic> maybe even McGonagall...when she was asking what he knew and insisting he tell her [20:20] <Poet> The Ministry of Magic is also trying to steer the game their way (like McLaggen) but making a right mess of everything. [20:20] <matilda> The way he keeps trying to worm his way onto the team [20:20] *** Breanna has joined #lounge [20:20] <cloudpic> Reminded me of McClaggen's insistence [20:20] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Snape tried to get harry off team in 2nd book. [20:20] <cloudpic> His certainty that he'd know what's best [20:20] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> 5th book Umbridge actually did it. [20:20] <Aislinn> In HBP, Harry lets Ron think he has drunk some Felix Felicis. Does this foreshadow anything else that happened in this book? [20:20] <matilda> but that seems to be dictated by his hatred of Harry [20:21] <matilda> yes! [20:21] <matilda> too many potions everywhere [20:21] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Getting the memory [20:21] <matilda> Ron is poisioned by real poisions twice [20:21] <matilda> love potion and bad mead [20:21] <Poet> Hmm [20:21] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Love potion not a good way to select a boyfriend [20:21] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Merope didn't know that [20:22] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Romilda Vane. [20:22] <Breanna> works every time... smile [20:22] <Poet> This turned out well for Ron and Harry actually. [20:22] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> How? [20:22] <matilda> hows that? [20:22] <cloudpic> brb [20:22] <Aislinn> it did give Ron a sense of confidence he didn't have [20:22] <Poet> Well temporarily it did. [20:22] <matilda> oh I thought you meant the love potion [20:22] <Aislinn> at least for that game [20:22] <matilda> yes. What harry did worked, which surprised me at the time [20:22] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> He only thought he had the potion. Got past his lack of confidence. [20:23] <Poet> We;re tlaking out the Felix, not the love potion ;) [20:23] <Aislinn> it did, matilda? [20:23] <Poet> Talking about the Felix (sorry for the bad typing) [20:23] <matilda> yeah I didn't think it would turn out for the best [20:23] <Aislinn> I think the power of suggestion can be quite persuasive [20:23] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes indeed. [20:23] <matilda> And I was surprised that Harry was so willing to manipulate Ron like that, even for the best reasons [20:24] *** duckiemonkie has joined #lounge [20:24] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Not all poisons physical [20:24] <matilda> hi! [20:24] <Aislinn> that foreshadows his manipulation of Slughorn with th wine [20:24] <duckiemonkie> Hello Everyone [20:24] <Poet> Harry manipulates Slughorn in a way... [20:24] <harryfreak359> hi [20:24] <Poet> yes [20:24] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> harry has to learn to manipulate to get memory [20:24] <Aislinn> hi duckie smile [20:24] <matilda> Oh so ture aislinn [20:24] <duckiemonkie> Hey Aislinn [20:25] <matilda> I didn't even think about that@ [20:25] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It shows how Wormtail so good [20:25] <harryfreak359> yeah Aislinn [20:25] <matilda> wormtail? [20:25] <duckiemonkie> ok what are we discusing? [20:25] <matilda> Quidditch and stuff [20:25] <duckiemonkie> ok [20:25] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Quidditch also a manipulative game. Ginny's saying need to have something up one's sleeve [20:26] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hermione not knowing anything about Quidditch and embarrassing herself [20:26] <matilda> Quidditch seems so much more physical, not a mind game! [20:26] <Poet> Discussing if Harry letting Ron think he'd given him Felix foreshadowed other events... [20:26] <Aislinn> Do the roles of the various players on the team correspond to those same characters' roles in Harry's life? For instance, what about the twins and their roles as Beaters - how does this relate to their friendship with Harry? [20:26] <matilda> yes! They are beaters all the time [20:26] <matilda> all their pranks= bludgers [20:27] <matilda> and they aim the worst ones to their enemies like Umbridge [20:27] <harryfreak359> yeah [20:27] *** duckiemonkie has quit [Bye] [20:27] *** duckiemonkie has joined #lounge [20:27] <matilda> even their shop now, is defensive [20:27] <Aislinn> I think they act as protectors of Harry at times as well [20:27] <matilda> very much so [20:27] <Poet> I am immediately reminded of Book 2 when many people thought Harry was the heir of Slytherin. The twins were following him around poking fun at the situation [20:27] <harryfreak359> yeah aislinn [20:27] <Aislinn> I loved how they cleared his path in CoS - seriously evil wizard coming through! 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[20:27] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> They gave him the Marauders map, suffered bans like him, lost money at quidditch and triumphed with his help
[20:27] <Poet> They were deflecting the seriousness away from Harry [20:28] <matilda> Well the bans weren't from helping Harry, but yeah! [20:28] <Aislinn> just like hitting the bludgers of criticism and accusation away from him [20:28] <SeverineSnape> wow, you come up with so many great points, poet! [20:28] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Harry helped them and they helped Harry [20:28] <matilda> They do rocket around the place, reaking havic [20:28] <matilda> havoc [20:28] <matilda> like Beaters/Bludgers in the game [20:28] <harryfreak359> so many good points....I'm not adding anything to this chat. laugh [20:28] <matilda> it would be a tame game without them [20:29] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yes you do. You get me thinking [20:29] <Aislinn> it is a wild and woolly game [20:29] <Poet> Their protection products will hopefully take the place of their beater activities, though we've seen this backfire on them as well. [20:29] <Aislinn> that is another excellent point, poet [20:29] <Aislinn> they are now making products to deflect danger away from people [20:29] <Aislinn> like the shield hats [20:29] <matilda> maybe they themsleves will be involved and not just their products? [20:30] <harryfreak359> yeah [20:30] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> darkness powder backfired [20:30] <SeverineSnape> so that means they moved from being human bludgers to beaters for life [20:30] <SeverineSnape> from destructive to protective [20:30] <harryfreak359> yeah it did...all of their defensive things could backfire [20:30] <matilda> but they probably won't! [20:30] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Depends on who uses them and what for [20:30] <matilda> the twins hav e usually been quite effective! [20:31] <Poet> Well even Bludgers can be misused as we've seen in Book 2 - not their fault. [20:31] <harryfreak359> yeah [20:31] <SeverineSnape> How about Ron's role as Keeper? [20:31] <matilda> "Voldemort walked into the room, and Harry's heart sank as he realized what LV was wearing-- a Shield Hat from WWW" [20:31] <Aislinn> I agree matilda - I don't think their products are likely to backfire [20:31] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hem hem! Bludgers the object or bludgers the people? [20:31] <Poet> I'm so glad Ron has had the chance to play keeper. [20:31] <matilda> the pranks are bludgers. The people ar beaters [20:32] <SeverineSnape> Has he been Harry's "keeper" throughout the books? [20:32] <matilda> Yes1 [20:32] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> In Oz bludgers are also people [20:32] <Poet> It shows his important role in Harry's fight against Voldemort. [20:32] <matilda> he plays defense for Harry all the time [20:32] <Aislinn> I see the keeper role as another protective one [20:32] <Aislinn> yes, matilda! [20:32] *** duckiemonkie has quit [Bye] [20:32] <matilda> even emotionally, he won't let people talk badly to Harry [20:32] <harryfreak359> yea matilda [20:32] <SeverineSnape> The beaters protect the team, the keeper protects the game [20:32] <harryfreak359> yeah [20:32] <matilda> excellent point sev! [20:32] <Aislinn> like he did with the chess match in the first book [20:32] *** duckiemonkie has joined #lounge [20:33] <Poet> He is a protector - keeping the game from becoming a total loss. He needs to keep the score low enough that when Harry catches the snitch they can actually win. [20:33] <SeverineSnape> the keeper makes sure that when the Seeker finishes the game, the game is actually won [20:33] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Ron not confident but good keeper. McLaggan confident but not doing the job [20:33] <Aislinn> he protected the game, so it could be completed successfully [20:33] <matilda> So he might actually save not Harry but Hermione, other weaselys, etc? [20:33] <Aislinn> that's possible matilda [20:33] <SeverineSnape> Maybe Ron will have to destroy some horcruxes. Stop the other team from scoring. [20:33] <Aislinn> act to keep the game going, by keeping the team safe [20:33] *** Witherwings has quit [Bye] [20:33] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Ron will play the game as it should be played [20:34] <harryfreak359> ooh good thought Severine [20:34] <Poet> Much like Ron did in Task 4 of Book 1. Ron was the kept the path clear so Harry could end the game and take the white queen. [20:34] <harryfreak359> yeah [20:34] <SeverineSnape> So that in the end, when Harry catches the snitch, the game is won [20:34] <matilda> yes, that game has so much symbolism and hasn't been repeated yet! [20:34] <matilda> We will see that side of Ron before the end [20:34] <Aislinn> it is like a Quidditch match - the Horcruxes are like goals to be scored, and Voldemort is like the Snitch [20:35] <duckiemonkie> i agree aislinn [20:35] <matilda> yeah, save the best bit for Harry [20:35] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Wormtail is a snitch. [20:35] <Poet> Interesting [20:35] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> So is Snape [20:35] <Poet> Snape [20:35] <Aislinn> and they all need to be handled correctly in order to be successful [20:35] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [20:35] <Poet> Right, there are a couple snitches in the series. [20:35] <SeverineSnape> Also, this may mean that the team may go off and do their thing so Harry can focus on the final deal-clincher [20:35] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> yep. Bye cloudpic, WWings [20:36] <SeverineSnape> LOL I meant Voledmoret being the snitch in this instance [20:36] <matilda> that saddens me a bit [20:36] <Aislinn> what does, matilda? [20:36] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> What? LV being a snitch? [20:36] <matilda> oh the idea of the teams going off getting things done and harry working alone a lot [20:36] <matilda> I like dialogue [20:36] <Poet> Ron also seems to be reactionary as opposed to Hermione who is proactive. So a protective position fits Ron's personality. [20:36] <matilda> and the trio [20:36] <harryfreak359> yeah I agree matilda [20:36] <Aislinn> Jo does too, so hopefully it won't happen a lot [20:37] <matilda> yeah. And ron is reactionary [20:37] <matilda> that's a good point peot [20:37] <matilda> poet [20:37] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> In HBP the various romances had impact on Quidditch [20:38] <duckiemonkie> yes it did [20:38] <SeverineSnape> In this context, do you think it is significant that Hermione is not a player? [20:38] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [20:38] <Aislinn> wb cloudpic [20:38] <cloudpic> Thanks [20:38] <matilda> Yeah like Hermione's little secret [20:38] <harryfreak359> wb cloudpic [20:38] <Aislinn> we were just asked if it is significant that Hermione is not a player [20:38] <Poet> Early in the series she would freeze up during battles. [20:38] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Ron like a blast-ended skrewt. Lavender cheerleader. Dean as off and on player, McLaggan & Hermione, Ginny and Harry's feelings for her [20:39] <matilda> well it exaggerates her mental not physical side [20:39] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [20:39] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> bye [20:39] <SeverineSnape> But symbolicly, is she not a team player? [20:39] <matilda> I think she is [20:39] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hermione not talking to Ron [20:39] <Poet> She seems to provide a lot of the little pieces of knowledge, but not the actions. [20:39] <duckiemonkie> i think that she it too [20:39] <harryfreak359> yeah poet [20:40] <cloudpic> Providing information is a crucial part of any team dynamic though [20:40] <Aislinn> I think she is very much a team player [20:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Very physical in this bk. Like the slap she gave Draco. [20:40] <cloudpic> I agree, Aislinn [20:40] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> What happened to Draco in HBP? [20:40] <duckiemonkie> yea lol [20:40] <harryfreak359> I think she is a team player too [20:40] <Aislinn> she contributed to the game with her Impervio charm on Harry's glasses [20:40] <matilda> she helps out in the background [20:40] <cloudpic> She doesn't just make the polyjuice potion, she drinks it too [20:40] <matilda> she researches, helps train, makes banners, acts as cheerleader as far as the Q games go [20:40] <SeverineSnape> I think that Hermione could have made a good chaser, if she knew how to fly [20:40] <Aislinn> and she also confunded McClaggen, to get Ron on the team [20:40] <harryfreak359> put she kind of adds the background to the game [20:41] <duckiemonkie> she is like the supporter i think [20:41] <Poet> It's nice that she started taking a hand in helping, yes. [20:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> even when knocked out, still supplies necessary info\ [20:41] <matilda> like McGonnagal [20:41] <harryfreak359> kind of keeps the players on her team safe and keeps them winning [20:41] <cloudpic> yes! [20:41] <Aislinn> yes [20:41] <cloudpic> I agree, matilda [20:41] <matilda> buys harry a broom and at every game [20:41] <duckiemonkie> i agree [20:41] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> spectator to make game worthwhile [20:41] <matilda> but doesn't fly on the team or eve n refferee [20:41] <SeverineSnape> Ginny took over for Harry as Seeker in OotP, but took on the role of Chaser once they are on the same team. What does this say about their relationship? [20:42] <Aislinn> I think it points out their similarities, as well as their complementary natures [20:42] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> That it is versatile? [20:42] <matilda> Well none of the Seekers get along very well together, so I think it's good for their relationship that Ginny would rather be a Chaser [20:42] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Also that Ginny will deputize for Harry if necessary [20:42] <cloudpic> She's not subordinate... but recognizes his ability...and yes, she is versatile [20:42] <SeverineSnape> Ginny was more comfortable as a seeker [20:42] <cloudpic> ? [20:42] <matilda> Why do you say that? [20:42] <harryfreak359> no she wasn't severing [20:42] <duckiemonkie> why? [20:42] <Aislinn> I think she said she preferred being a Chaser [20:42] <harryfreak359> severine* [20:42] <SeverineSnape> she wants to be in the thick of things, not on the outside working on her own [20:42] <harryfreak359> yeah aislinn she does [20:42] <matilda> She says shed rather be Chaser! [20:42] <cloudpic> Is it because she acts independently pretty well? [20:43] <SeverineSnape> sorry I meant Chaser [20:43] <duckiemonkie> ooo ok [20:43] <Aislinn> then I agree with you biggrin [20:43] <SeverineSnape> silly me [20:43] <matilda> Oh ok! [20:43] <harryfreak359> I agree too [20:43] <cloudpic> Does she mean it though? [20:43] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Prefers being with family [20:43] <matilda> and that's true, Chaser fits her personality. she goes after what she wants and is very team-oriented [20:43] <cloudpic> true [20:43] <duckiemonkie> i think she does in a sense [20:43] <SeverineSnape> Yes, she passes the bal back and forth. She keeps people in the game. [20:43] <harryfreak359> yeah [20:44] <Poet> Chaser and Seeker do seem to be most similar, though the chaser is more physically demanding. We see her being involved in the trio more - she is stepping up her activity with Quidditch and as one of Harry's helpers in the fight with Voldemort as well [20:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Loyalty. Ginny only accepted Fleur because her mum did [20:44] <matilda> I think she'd rather be in the thick of things... remember that she's funny and popluar, not a loner [20:44] <Aislinn> I agree matilda - it seems to fit her personality much more than Seeker does [20:44] <duckiemonkie> i think she likes to "go with the flow" [20:44] <cloudpic> Good point... I hadn't thought abou that...was only thinking of her isolation in CoS [20:44] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> As a loner in COS she was vulnerable to the diary [20:44] <Poet> The seeker position is a bit of a loner at times. She has gotten out of her shell. [20:44] <harryfreak359> yeah matilda, Harry is popular and funny too, but doesn't want to be popular [20:44] <Aislinn> but it is interesting that she was competent to step in for Harry when necessary [20:44] <cloudpic> Taught her a lesson? [20:45] <Aislinn> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Scribbulus Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Scribbulus-Leaky-Cauldr-f108.html. [20:45] <cloudpic> Harry doesn't like fame...don't think he minds being well-liked [20:45] <Poet> So Ann, she is a bit of an equal to Harry as well. [20:45] <SeverineSnape> Oooh yes that IS interesting [20:45] *** Breanna has quit [Bye] [20:45] <matilda> Harry isn't popular, the 'idea of Harry' is either popular or not depending on what's going on around him [20:45] <Aislinn> yes, poet, exactly! [20:45] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> What? The diary? The experience stood her in good stead [20:45] <SeverineSnape> Ginny is definitely Harry's equal, but prefers to help him in his cause [20:45] <cloudpic> It's a pretty universal cause! [20:46] <harryfreak359> yeah [20:46] <Aislinn> yes it is [20:46] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> But they broke up at the end [20:46] <SeverineSnape> It is, and there can only be one seeker. One to close the deal. [20:46] <cloudpic> But Harry has to ultimately act alone... a seeker catches the snitch alone [20:46] <cloudpic> Can he do it? [20:46] <matilda> ah well it doesn't really change their relationship now [20:46] <Aislinn> lol - right [20:46] <matilda> I mean their roles as lovers [20:46] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Doesn't want anything else to happen to Ginny [20:46] <SeverineSnape> And that person is Harry. He was CHOSEN to be the seeker. [20:46] <duckiemonkie> oh no i have to go to dinner so I Hope to see you in a nother chat or thread some [20:46] <matilda> yep [20:46] <duckiemonkie> time [20:46] <Poet> Right, Harry didn't try out. [20:46] *** cbm has joined #lounge [20:46] <matilda> born to it [20:46] <cloudpic> But his place as Seeker gives him such joy! [20:46] <Aislinn> bye duckie [20:47] <duckiemonkie> By! [20:47] <Poet> He is the chosen one afterall ;) [20:47] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> bye [20:47] <harryfreak359> bye! [20:47] <matilda> bye! [20:47] <Aislinn> it does, cloudpic [20:47] <Poet> It was his natural role. [20:47] <harryfreak359> yeah [20:47] *** duckiemonkie has quit [Bye] [20:47] <SeverineSnape> Speaking of seekers: what do you think of Harry's interactions with the other seekers we know about, Cedric, Cho, Krum, Draco. Is there a pattern? [20:47] <matilda> Yes. He has very prickly relations with all ofthem [20:48] <SeverineSnape> They are all sort of his direct rivals aren't they [20:48] <Aislinn> we learn much more about the other Seekers than we do any other position on the other teams [20:48] <harryfreak359> Well draco is his archenemy, so it makes sense for him to play opposite of harry [20:48] <cbm> How about adding Ginny [20:48] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> We'll see next book what he finds. Cedric fair but dead. cho grief-stricken for Cedric. Krum fancies Hermione [20:48] <cloudpic> Those who have to act alone... [20:48] <Poet> Draco and he are in direct competition whether on the Quidditch field or not. Cedric and Harry in competition for Cho's affections, etc. [20:48] * SeverineSnape is thinking if Snape played as seeker.... [20:48] <Aislinn> yes, and Ginny [20:48] <cloudpic> Snape as Seeker??? [20:48] <harryfreak359> lol severine [20:48] <SeverineSnape> Well Harry never played against Ginny did he. Ginny simply took over for him. [20:48] <matilda> Yes. [20:49] <cloudpic> No... it's not really funny.... he could have done! [20:49] <matilda> But she's really more of a Chaser [20:49] <matilda> The only time Ginny plays Seeker is when HArry doesn't [20:49] <Poet> I like the essay author describing the interactions between Cho like the dance of two seekers. [20:49] <SeverineSnape> Well yeah, I bet Snape would have loved to be the chosen one [20:49] <matilda> thanks! [20:49] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hatred a sort of loving? Cedric Cho's boyfriend first. Krum Hermione's, Cho Harry's girlfriend. Draco obsessed him in HBP [20:49] <cloudpic> Not if he understood it. [20:49] <cbm> true, but in the last 2 years, she has 3 catches to Harry's 2 [20:49] <Aislinn> that was a nice turn of phrase matilda, and describes their relationship well [20:50] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> It did.the trouble is what they sought. Cho wanted help over Cedric [20:50] <matilda> Thank you smile [20:50] <cloudpic> I especially like a point you make near the end of the essay, Matilda... [20:50] <matilda> Harry has never been comfortable around any other Seekers [20:51] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> certainly not Draco... [20:51] <cloudpic> Is that because he can't articulate how he does it? [20:51] <cloudpic> They can't discuss what they manage to do... [20:51] <cbm> But I think that there are few people that Harry is confortable around. [20:51] <harryfreak359> yeah I agree [20:51] <matilda> well he seems to have special discomfort with them then [20:52] <harryfreak359> his "team" members [20:52] <matilda> Cedric, Cho, Draco. [20:52] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Draco he hated. Slytherin matches only ones shown consistently. Why was he put off Quidditch when Draco not participating? [20:52] <matilda> Because he'd realized by book 6 that Quidditch isnt' where the real action is, and that Draco and he are both involved in something larger-- good/evil [20:53] <cloudpic> Oh, so sad to grow up. [20:53] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> He also showed concern for Draco's well being [20:53] <harryfreak359> yeah [20:53] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> draco looking ill [20:53] <Aislinn> So, to wrap up, are there any portents from all this Quidditch symbolism that give us clues about the final book, and Harry's role? [20:53] <matilda> not concern so much as interst [20:53] <matilda> yes! Harry will win because he is a natural! [20:53] <matilda> He will not pass out and fall off his broom [20:53] <SeverineSnape> well obviously harry is the one to end the game [20:53] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> HOpefully. Did LV ever play Quidditch? [20:53] <matilda> No! [20:54] <SeverineSnape> and he is a natural at it. He does not need fancy learned spellwork [20:54] <harryfreak359> no, I don't think so [20:54] <matilda> can't see him up there playing for a team [20:54] <cloudpic> Think for a moment about the implications of these early statements in terms of Harry’s role as the Hero, the one who will finally defeat Voldemort: “Something he could do without being taught…” Harry does not need special defensive training or fancy battling skills; he’s already got what it takes. His skill is innate and instinctive. scribbulus essay Matilda http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#scribbulus:essay:232 [20:54] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Good thing. He might have learned too much. [20:54] <cloudpic> Love this Matilda! [20:54] <matilda> Thanks, Cloudpic, couldn't have said it better! [20:54] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> anyway, bye everyone. Lovely chat smile [20:54] <cloudpic> Powerful point! [20:54] <harryfreak359> bye! [20:54] <matilda> bye! [20:54] <SeverineSnape> bye Wagga! [20:54] <cloudpic> Bravo! [20:54] <Poet> I really loved this essay [20:54] <cloudpic> Me too. [20:54] <Poet> Thanks Matilda. [20:54] <harryfreak359> yeah it was great [20:54] <matilda> thanks guys. I had so much fun writing it [20:54] <cloudpic> Yes, thank you.... [20:55] <Aislinn> it was a great point, matilda [20:55] <matilda> I need a topic for a new one [20:55] <SeverineSnape> Yes, I like that part too, cloudpic. Harry already knows how to defeat LV. [20:55] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hagrid and his animals? [20:55] <matilda> ! [20:55] <cloudpic> Chess? [20:55] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Good point. [20:55] <cloudpic> Book 1/7 [20:55] <matilda> Chess is too sporadic in the books [20:55] <cloudpic> Chess [20:56] <cloudpic> Yes... true [20:56] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Books? [20:56] <matilda> Hermione had no role in this essay [20:56] <matilda> so maybe something that would involve her somehow [20:56] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> there are some beauties [20:56] * harryfreak359 is too zoned out to offer any ideas for essay topics [20:56] <matilda> lol [20:56] <cloudpic> awww... HF [20:56] <harryfreak359> blink [20:57] <cbm> good night I enjoyed the parts I was here for [20:57] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Hermione the most information literate character in children's literature apart from Matilda [20:57] * SeverineSnape coughs and mutters something about needing a GOOD essay on prophecies.... [20:57] <harryfreak359> I need some chocolate [20:57] <Aislinn> thank you so much for coming and chatting with us about your fascinating essay, matilda smile [20:57] <matilda> no problem! I had fun [20:57] <SeverineSnape> Yes thanks Matilda! Your essay is awesome. [20:57] <harryfreak359> yes it great [20:57] <matilda> * blushes [20:57] <cloudpic> Can't wait to read your next! [20:57] <SeverineSnape> You pointed out so many things I hadn't really considered [20:57] <harryfreak359> yeah [20:58] <Poet> We need an essay about unwilling protectors of Harry (Snape and Petunia) [20:58] <SeverineSnape> Especially all the seeker symbolism, it rocked my socks [20:58] <matilda> good one! [20:58] <cloudpic> Oh, that's good.... [20:58] <harryfreak359> yeah [20:58] <Aislinn> ooh - that would be interesting poet! [20:58] <Aislinn> maybe you could write that one, if matilda has another planned biggrin [20:58] <matilda> but with Snape's ambiguiousness, it would be hard to know his true motives and things [20:58] <harryfreak359> yeah true [20:59] <cloudpic> Let it be a challenge! You could do if this/then that... [20:59] <matilda> but it's a very itneresting premise [20:59] <Aislinn> well, it would be speculative [20:59] <Poet> That essay may only fully be done justice once the series is complete. [20:59] <cloudpic> Love the expression "unwilling protectors" [20:59] <harryfreak359> bye guys, hopefully I'll be back tomorrow for P3! [20:59] <Poet> Bye [20:59] <cloudpic> hmmmm... [20:59] <cbm> bye [20:59] <cloudpic> bye! [20:59] <SeverineSnape> yes, as petunia is still 'up in the air' too [20:59] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [20:59] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> sad I won't .Have to work [20:59] <Aislinn> OK, folks, thanks for coming! Hope to see you at our upcoming chats, like tomorrow's on Aunt Petunia [21:00] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [21:00] <SeverineSnape> thanks everyone! [21:00] <matilda> could always do a re-write/ epilogue [21:00] <matilda> bye! [21:00] <cloudpic> Bye! [21:00] <harryfreak359> Bye bye, it was an interesting chat! definitely one that makes you think [21:00] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [21:00] *** matilda has quit [Bye] [21:00] <WaggaWaggaWerewolf> Yep. I enjoyed the talk too.. Thanks Matilda. [21:01] *** WaggaWaggaWerewolf has quit [Bye] [21:01] <Aislinn> harryfreak - hope to see you tomorrow smile [21:01] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [21:01] <Aislinn> bye This post has been edited by Aislinn: Sep 9 2006, 08:38 PM |
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