Corner Booth Text Chat Transcript Nov 22, 2006, Characters you Love to Hate, part 2 |
 Nov 22 2006, 09:18 PM
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[18:47] *** Snuffles changed the topic to: Characters We Love to Hate, part 2 (Aislinn)
[18:56] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [18:59] <futureweasley> testing? [18:59] *** madamnarcissamalfoy has joined #lounge [18:59] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [18:59] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [18:59] <futureweasley> hi guys! [18:59] <Aislinn> hi folks smile [18:59] <madamnarcissamalfoy> HI! [19:00] <harryfreak359> Hi everyone [19:00] <madamnarcissamalfoy> sorry, caps from writing fanfic [19:00] * futureweasley gives harryfreak a big ol' bear hug [19:00] <harryfreak359> thanks Future [19:00] <madamnarcissamalfoy> I love the hermione draco pairing [19:00] <madamnarcissamalfoy> it is ironic [19:00] * harryfreak359 hugs FutureWeasley back smile [19:00] *** jade_and_diamond_fire has joined #lounge [19:00] *** CedrellaBlack has joined #lounge [19:01] *** cbm has joined #lounge [19:01] <madamnarcissamalfoy> hi ced! [19:01] <futureweasley> hi guys! [19:01] <CedrellaBlack> hey everyone! [19:01] <harryfreak359> heya Ced [19:01] <harryfreak359> heya jade adn cbm [19:01] <madamnarcissamalfoy> hi cbm! [19:01] <cbm> hi everyone! [19:01] <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi everyone! [19:01] <harryfreak359> and* [19:01] <madamnarcissamalfoy> hf, it cracks me up evry time you correct yourself [19:02] <madamnarcissamalfoy> no one else usaully bothers [19:02] <madamnarcissamalfoy> see? [19:02] <madamnarcissamalfoy> argg [19:02] <madamnarcissamalfoy> lol [19:02] <harryfreak359> I'm a perfectionist [19:02] <madamnarcissamalfoy> lol [19:02] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [19:02] <futureweasley> I love that about you Harryfreak [19:02] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:02] <futureweasley> as I am to [19:02] <futureweasley> hi guys!! [19:02] <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi sooner, hi debbie! [19:02] <DumbleDebbie> hiya smile [19:02] <DumbleDebbie> snuffles hates me :P [19:02] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:02] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i know you told me you have to correct your friends grammar all the time or something in coc [19:02] <harryfreak359> Hey Sooner! [19:03] <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi fawkes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [19:03] <futureweasley> lol, Snuffles is being temprimental [19:03] <harryfreak359> Hey Fawkes [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> sorry guys, snuffles would not let fawkes and I in for a moment [19:03] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [19:03] <fawkes28> !op fawkes28 [19:03] <DumbleDebbie> get out the shock collar [19:03] <CedrellaBlack> Its so funny when people try to corect themselves after a typo but they spell it wrong again, so they spell it correctly with two stars...i do that a lot [19:03] <fawkes28> hello everyone smile [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> we think it was a conspiracy [19:03] <harryfreak359> lol Ced [19:03] <CedrellaBlack> hey fawkes [19:03] <fawkes28> yes, we think it was [19:03] <CedrellaBlack> hey sooner [19:03] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [19:03] <DumbleDebbie> he was messing with me too Sooner [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> hey everyone [19:03] <CedrellaBlack> hey debbue [19:03] <fawkes28> *cough*snape-haters*cough* [19:03] <futureweasley> I have to edit all my posts in the lounge because of glaring typos [19:03] <CedrellaBlack> debbie* [19:03] <madamnarcissamalfoy> Who celebrates Thanksgiving? [19:03] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [19:03] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [19:03] <futureweasley> wb PP [19:03] <DumbleDebbie> hey Ced! [19:03] <CedrellaBlack> I<3Snape [19:04] <madamnarcissamalfoy> me too! [19:04] <jade_and_diamond_fire> yay, thanskgiving is coming! [19:04] <harryfreak359> Hey! I got in with no problem, so that can't be right Fawkes [19:04] <CedrellaBlack> I fell asleep on my new couch today [19:04] <ProngsPatronus> hello, all [19:04] <CedrellaBlack> it was amazing [19:04] <DumbleDebbie> lol Future [19:04] <harryfreak359> lol Ced, that's nice [19:04] <SoonerGryffindor> I think almost anybody who lives here in the states celebrates mnm [19:04] * futureweasley hates Turkey, but celebrates shopping on Black Friday [19:04] <fawkes28> you got past them, hf...good job [19:04] <madamnarcissamalfoy> my neck is stuck in one position [19:04] <madamnarcissamalfoy> since this mornign! [19:04] <fawkes28> hi prongs [19:04] * SoonerGryffindor hates shopping, but loves turkey [19:04] <madamnarcissamalfoy> me too fw! [19:04] <cbm> cbm loves to eat turkey and stays home on black friday [19:04] <DumbleDebbie> ugh, you won't find me near a mall on Friday [19:04] * harryfreak359 hates shopping but loves turkey [19:04] <CedrellaBlack> i named my couches...Francis and Bartholemuel (barty for short) which is funny becuase when you say barty the couch it reminds me of barty crouch [19:05] <harryfreak359> LOL Sooner [19:05] *** Shard has joined #lounge [19:05] <madamnarcissamalfoy> aww, i still like turkey a little [19:05] <futureweasley> lol cbm...I don't doubt that about you [19:05] <Shard> Hellooo [19:05] <ProngsPatronus> hiya--I hope you know that I have scheduled the Turkey wars specifically so I could be here [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> lol Ced! [19:05] <futureweasley> hi shard [19:05] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Shard [19:05] <jade_and_diamond_fire> lol, CB [19:05] <Shard> Hi everyone [19:05] <Aislinn> Turkey wars? [19:05] <harryfreak359> Hi [19:05] *** Alexk has joined #lounge [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> hi Alexk [19:05] <madamnarcissamalfoy> lol ced [19:05] <harryfreak359> hi Alex [19:05] <futureweasley> hi Alex [19:05] <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi alex [19:06] <Alexk> hellooo! everyone! [19:06] <CedrellaBlack> hey alex! [19:06] <Alexk> hey ced! [19:06] <futureweasley> I will stick to my meatloaf, thanks [19:06] <SoonerGryffindor> hmmm, I wonder where our lovely bus driver is? [19:06] <madamnarcissamalfoy> hey alekx? [19:06] <CedrellaBlack> my aunt makes turkey and ham [19:06] <DumbleDebbie> ah, yes good questino Sooner [19:06] <fawkes28> yes, we need our bus driver [19:06] <madamnarcissamalfoy> is that your name on coc? [19:06] <harryfreak359> I don't like meatloaf much [19:06] <Alexk> yes mnm [19:06] <madamnarcissamalfoy> ty [19:06] <DumbleDebbie> maybe he's still fitting that cattle grate to the front of the bus [19:06] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [19:06] <Alexk> lol [19:06] <Alexk> sure [19:07] <harryfreak359> lol [19:07] <Alexk> lol [19:07] <CedrellaBlack> i make pies (blueberry and pecan) and one of my other aunts makes pumpkin basically we all get assigned a food to brong and we bring it [19:07] <CedrellaBlack> bring* [19:07] <madamnarcissamalfoy> it is so cool to connect a name to a graphic design [19:07] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe he's getting Kreacher's head affixed as a hood ornament [19:07] *** Rebekia has joined #lounge [19:07] <harryfreak359> LOL [19:07] <CedrellaBlack> LOL sooner [19:07] <harryfreak359> hey Rebekia [19:07] <fawkes28> hi rebekia [19:07] <CedrellaBlack> hey rebekia [19:07] <Shard> brb [19:08] <SoonerGryffindor> k [19:08] <Rebekia> Hey Everyone! Happy Thanksgiving Eve [19:08] <madamnarcissamalfoy> ty! [19:08] <Aislinn> and to you rebekia [19:08] <futureweasley> hi guyes! Happy Gluttony [19:08] <madamnarcissamalfoy> sorrry, thank you [19:08] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i can ttype todday [19:08] <ProngsPatronus> ewww-- not that bus again... [19:08] <Alexk> i'm still with the belief that pumpkin pie should be eaten on halloween, it just seems right! w00t2 [19:08] <Rebekia> Yeah woo woo..Stuff ourselves along with the turkey [19:08] <harryfreak359> ol [19:08] <harryfreak359> lol* [19:08] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:08] <CedrellaBlack> lol [19:08] <Rebekia> Hey Punky [19:08] <harryfreak359> Punky!!!! [19:08] <Rebekia> Love that av ;) [19:08] <Punky> Hi! [19:09] <CedrellaBlack> itd just that pumplinks are so great on thakgiving [19:09] <madamnarcissamalfoy> HI punky! [19:09] <Alexk> hey punky! [19:09] *** amyluhu has joined #lounge [19:09] <madamnarcissamalfoy> its me phoenixash! [19:09] <CedrellaBlack> pumplinks hahaa [19:09] <SoonerGryffindor> so how many of us are not cooking while we should be right now cause we want to be in this chat so bad? [19:09] <madamnarcissamalfoy> yay [19:09] <harryfreak359> lol [19:09] <madamnarcissamalfoy> um, yeah [19:09] <amyluhu> I already baked 2 pumpkin pies [19:09] <CedrellaBlack> me sooner im supposed to be cooking pies [19:09] <Shard> Why would be cooking? [19:09] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i ate some pumpkin bars [19:09] <Rebekia> Sooner!...ME! I have my pie crust and my tart filling siting on the counter!! [19:09] <harryfreak359> I just finished the last of our thanksgiving food when I got on here lol [19:09] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, Sooner. I rearranged my schedule to be here [19:09] <Shard> lol [19:09] <SoonerGryffindor> lol guys [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> I still need to do some baking tonight [19:10] <madamnarcissamalfoy> lol rebekia [19:10] <amyluhu> i also just made cranberry relish and sauce [19:10] <CedrellaBlack> lol rebekia im partway through making the crust havent even started the filler [19:10] <amyluhu> i cheated and bought the crust this time [19:10] <Rebekia> CB yay! I'm not the only one [19:10] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i just buy my pies [19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> I also brought out the 2x4 so we can whack the characters if Mr M doesnt show up in time to drive the bus over them [19:10] <amyluhu> lol [19:10] <cbm> I have canoli, I just have to put the filling in [19:10] <CedrellaBlack> lol mnm [19:10] <madamnarcissamalfoy> because i make a trifle [19:10] <harryfreak359> good idea Sooner [19:10] <madamnarcissamalfoy> and gooey bars [19:10] <CedrellaBlack> anyone excited for Grey's tommorow! [19:10] <madamnarcissamalfoy> and cheesecake [19:10] <CedrellaBlack> I know i will be watching! [19:10] *** Ravenclaws_Heir has joined #lounge [19:10] <fawkes28> of course! [19:10] <Rebekia> I hope Mr. M comes [19:10] <Punky> Oh I can't wait for Grey's! [19:11] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hello [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> keep it handy sooner [19:11] <jade_and_diamond_fire> omg yes, CB! so much drama on Grey's! [19:11] <harryfreak359> I hope he does too... [19:11] <cbm> cb, I am, it is my fav show [19:11] <Rebekia> Hey Ravenclaw biggrin [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> in case they try to make a run for it ;) [19:11] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [19:11] <futureweasley> my Punky's in da house!! [19:11] <CedrellaBlack> I think georges dad is a goner [19:11] <futureweasley> hi Adam! [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> hey Adam! smile [19:11] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [19:11] <adamgryff> hi everyone! [19:11] <harryfreak359> Hi Adam! [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> hey adam [19:11] <Punky> Hi Future smile [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> WOOT! [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> Mr M! [19:11] <harryfreak359> MrM!!!!!!! [19:11] <jade_and_diamond_fire> yeah, George [19:11] <fawkes28> hi adam smile [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> the Bus Driver is here [19:11] <futureweasley> LOOK OUT! Here comes the BUS!! [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> the bus driver has arried [19:11] <fawkes28> mr. m!! [19:11] <CedrellaBlack> MrMcG! jeuu [19:11] <harryfreak359> Woot! [19:11] <Rebekia> Mr Mc! [19:11] <jade_and_diamond_fire> sorry, George's dad has lots of problems [19:11] <CedrellaBlack> heyy* [19:11] <adamgryff> Hi mr mcg [19:11] <MrMcGonagall> Vroom, Vroom!!! [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> *honk, honk* [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> warm up the bus, warm up the bus [19:11] <fawkes28> yay bus driver! [19:11] <jade_and_diamond_fire> Mr. M! [19:11] <Alexk> is anyone doing that turkey stuffed with a duck stuffed with a chicken combo? it just seems so wrong when you think about it [19:12] <Alexk> hi mrm [19:12] <amyluhu> no way [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> ? [19:12] <ProngsPatronus> you mean a turducken [19:12] <CedrellaBlack> Turducken? [19:12] <Alexk> i'm sticking with tofurkey this year [19:12] <futureweasley> MrMcG is here, let the fun begin [19:12] <adamgryff> I tried it one year alexk and it was terrible [19:12] <MrMcGonagall> Tonight, I only stop for little old ladies with walkers. [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> lol Alexk [19:12] <jade_and_diamond_fire> turducken, lol [19:12] <ProngsPatronus> do we really have to have the bus? [19:12] <harryfreak359> lol MrM... [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I'll pass, thanks [19:12] <ProngsPatronus> isn't there an alternative to killing? [19:12] <Rebekia> Shoot...does that mean no Umbridge bashing? She's old and I bet she needs a walker now after the centaurs had her [19:12] <Punky> You brake for Snape too MrMcG? [19:12] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:13] <Aislinn> now, now people - Jo's books are all about the LOVE [19:13] * SoonerGryffindor will wrest control of the steering wheel away to not hit Snape [19:13] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Haha, someone needs to make a grahpic of that: Umbridge with a walker [19:13] <MrMcGonagall> If he's wearing Neville's grandmother's clothes, I might spare old Severus. [19:13] <harryfreak359> He'd better, or he may find the wrath of Sooner's 2x4 [19:13] <cbm> I use gas pedal for snape [19:13] <futureweasley> if he even thinks about breaking for Snape, I'm taking the wheel [19:13] * fawkes28 sings all you need is love [19:13] <jade_and_diamond_fire> shouldn't they sell bumper stickers that say "I would brake for Snape" [19:13] <madamnarcissamalfoy> i have a funsize butterfinger! [19:13] <harryfreak359> LOL [19:13] * CedrellaBlack would break for snape [19:13] <harryfreak359> yes [19:13] * Alexk watches mrm running over a turkey, mrm: i hunt my turkeys the old fashioned way [19:13] <adamgryff> lol [19:13] <amyluhu> snape is cool. leave huim alone [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> uh-oh Mr M lock the bus door [19:13] * harryfreak359 would brake for Snape [19:13] <CedrellaBlack> actually i would brake* [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> sorry guys--I have to go [19:13] <ProngsPatronus> bye [19:13] *** ProngsPatronus left #lounge [] [19:14] <MrMcGonagall> Does anybody remember the Great Turkey Drop on WKRP in Cincinnati? [19:14] <CedrellaBlack> no i would probs break and arm and a leg for nape too [19:14] <madamnarcissamalfoy> my bro is kicking me off [19:14] <CedrellaBlack> as long as he doesnt die [19:14] <madamnarcissamalfoy> bye [19:14] <amyluhu> oh ya i do [19:14] *** madamnarcissamalfoy has quit [Bye] [19:14] <futureweasley> LOL Yes MrMcG! I was just talking about that at work today [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> I do remember that Mr M [19:14] <MrMcGonagall> That was a funny episode. Oh, the humanity! [19:14] <Rebekia> There really is a WKRP? [19:14] <Aislinn> laugh [19:14] <amyluhu> is there? [19:14] <Rebekia> I thought that was just a Family Ties thing [19:14] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not sure. [19:15] <CedrellaBlack> whats wkrp? [19:15] <MrMcGonagall> It was a separate TV show. [19:15] <amyluhu> a tv show [19:15] <MrMcGonagall> About a radio station. [19:15] *** MinervasPetCat has joined #lounge [19:15] <amyluhu> with jonny fever [19:15] <CedrellaBlack> oh i've never heard of it [19:15] <CedrellaBlack> hey mpc! [19:15] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hi minerva [19:15] <Alexk> me neither ced [19:15] <amyluhu> and vebus flytrap [19:15] <harryfreak359> I've never heard of it either [19:15] <Rebekia> Hey Minerva [19:15] <MinervasPetCat> hi ced and amy! [19:15] <MinervasPetCat> rebekia, hi! [19:15] <harryfreak359> Hi Minerva [19:15] <amyluhu> hey mpc and ced [19:15] <CedrellaBlack> hey amy! [19:15] <Alexk> hi minerva [19:15] <amyluhu> i think i saw ced earlier today [19:15] <CedrellaBlack> when? [19:16] <Aislinn> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [19:16] <Aislinn> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [19:16] <Aislinn> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:16] <Aislinn> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:16] <Aislinn> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:16] <futureweasley> All right folks, tonight’s chat is the second half of the WWW chat which began last week, 11/15/06--Characters We Love to Hate. Jo does a brilliant job giving these miserable characters depth and complexity. We have a laundry list of these interesting characters spanning from Philosopher’s/Sorcerer’s Stone to Half-Blood Prince and all points within. [19:17] <futureweasley> We have again thrown certain characters under the Knight Bus. We will proceed in an alphabetical order. We're picking up from where we left off last week (we've already done characters from A-K). Tonight, we'll be chatting about characters whose surnames begin with the letters L-Z. [19:17] <futureweasley> Don’t get anxious if we don’t get to your most loathsome character right away. We'll get to them all. Ready? Let’s do this thing! [19:17] <futureweasley> Walden Macnair–a DE working at the Ministry as an executioner of dangerous creatures. He attempted to liaise with the giants on LV’s behalf. Last seen in Azkaban for his part in the debacle at the MoM in OotP. Do you hate this character? Why? [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> actually, we are starting with M [19:17] <CedrellaBlack> lol [19:17] <futureweasley> right, M people [19:17] <futureweasley> lol [19:17] <amyluhu> yes he loves too kill too much [19:17] <CedrellaBlack> hmm i hate him [19:18] <Shard> I hate him because of his wonton desire for killing is much like Fenrir's [19:18] <adamgryff> I really do not like him, he kills things [19:18] <MinervasPetCat> he's a jerk! [19:18] <harryfreak359> He was going to kill buckbeak!!! And he's a death eater, so I hate him [19:18] <CedrellaBlack> but i dont love to hate him [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont hate him, but I come close because of the way he wanted to kill buckbeak [19:18] <jade_and_diamond_fire> he is just so creepy, not surprising that he's a de [19:18] <harryfreak359> I don't love to hate him either [19:18] <DumbleDebbie> nasty, but not very important [19:18] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I hate him, but I don't love to hate him [19:18] <DumbleDebbie> so really who cares [19:18] <amyluhu> yes true i don't love to hate him [19:18] <Shard> Yeah not important like others [19:18] <MrMcGonagall> He was terrible about Buckbeak, and let's be honest . . . how can you love a DE, except to hate him? [19:18] <cbm> Death Eater who enjoys killing, but what death eater doesn't [19:18] <Alexk> lol dd [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M [19:18] <harryfreak359> lol [19:18] <Alexk> i agree [19:18] <Ravenclaws_Heir> true [19:19] <MrMcGonagall> Bloodthirsty wretch. [19:19] <MinervasPetCat> i just see him as a cruel person i'd like to avoid and i'm not strongly affected by his character [19:19] <Shard> lol [19:19] <Rebekia> I don't care for him at all. He's out for blood [19:19] <futureweasley> he's pretty dispicable [19:19] <amyluhu> agree mpc [19:19] <Aislinn> Yes, the fact that he is a Death Eater and seems to glory in killing makes him pretty reprehensible [19:19] <MrMcGonagall> yes, Minerva, we don't really see him all that much. [19:19] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [19:19] <Shard> I loved how nasty he looked in the movie, perfect [19:19] <DumbleDebbie> hey cloudpic! [19:19] <adamgryff> he's just like all the other death eaters out for the kill [19:19] <Ravenclaws_Heir> He just has such a love of killing, from what we've seen of him anyway [19:19] <harryfreak359> Yes, he's definitely evil, but not someone that I completely loathe... [19:19] <adamgryff> hey cloupic [19:19] <MrMcGonagall> Obviously he has a thing against magical creatures. [19:19] <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi cloudpic! [19:19] <Alexk> hi cloudpic [19:19] <cloudpic> Good evening everyone!! [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> hi cp [19:19] <fawkes28> hi cloudpic [19:19] <Ravenclaws_Heir> hi cloudpic [19:19] <Aislinn> hi cloudpic [19:19] <futureweasley> any everything else that breathes [19:20] <cloudpic> This is gonna be fun! [19:20] <fawkes28> and no one should hate magical creatures [19:20] <futureweasley> *and [19:20] <MrMcGonagall> I knew you would say that, fawkes! [19:20] <cloudpic> Or the other sort? [19:20] <Shard> What about Aragog? [19:20] <fawkes28> smile [19:20] <harryfreak359> definitely not Fawkes [19:20] <cloudpic> I rather liked Aragog.... [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> but the thing to remember is that even the minor DE's would not hesitate to kill Harry, so for tht I despise them [19:20] <Alexk> lol, let's ask hf about aragog [19:20] <jade_and_diamond_fire> well, there's a difference between hate and want to run away from [19:20] <Aislinn> aragog is just being himself - he can't help it that he is an acromantula [19:20] <cloudpic> LOL [19:20] <Shard> True Ann [19:20] <amyluhu> yes aislinn [19:20] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> hey Whisper [19:21] <Aislinn> hi whisper [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> hi ww [19:21] <Whisperwing> Hi [19:21] <Ravenclaws_Heir> hello! [19:21] <futureweasley> I think MacNair would have killed Aragog if he had the chance...it would have been a thrill for him [19:21] <fawkes28> hello ww [19:21] <cloudpic> And so are humans who are pyschologically damaged... can't help themselves... [19:21] <Whisperwing> Whoa, it still says no channel... [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> true FW [19:21] <Alexk> hf, what do you think about aragog?, I bet you love him wink [19:21] <amyluhu> i think in that battle i would root for aragog [19:21] <Aislinn> I agree fw [19:21] <Shard> McNair and his Exceutioners axe [19:21] <MrMcGonagall> An axe right between his many eyes. [19:21] <jade_and_diamond_fire> hi WW! [19:21] * SoonerGryffindor would like to see aragogg go after McNair [19:21] <fawkes28> i am sure it has a lot to do with power with him [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> talk about poetic justice [19:21] <DumbleDebbie> lol [19:21] <Shard> It would be more human to AK him, quick and painless [19:21] <Whisperwing> I rather liked Aragog [19:21] <Ravenclaws_Heir> *shudder* [19:21] <Shard> I like your idea Sooner [19:21] <futureweasley> Draco Malfoy–Harry’s biggest Hogwarts’ enemy. Draco was always a junior DE wannabe and it seems he took the plunge in HBP. He’s spent most of his time goading and taunting the trio. In his final year at Hogwarts, he tried to kill Dumbledore and instead almost killed Katie Bell and Ron. He did corner Dumbledore, but we don’t know whether he would’ve killed him. Do you hate this character? [19:21] <cloudpic> Me too, whisper... [19:21] <amyluhu> agree ww [19:21] <Whisperwing> I just want to know where he found a mate. [19:21] <Shard> Bus is too quick for him [19:22] <Ravenclaws_Heir> No! I fel sorry for him! [19:22] <Shard> I rather him watch his family die [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Shard [19:22] <amyluhu> yes and love him [19:22] <harryfreak359> No, I don't hate him...I did earlier in the books, but now I feel a bit sorry for him [19:22] <Shard> And then live with that [19:22] <DumbleDebbie> he's a little bully, but I have hope he may still turn around [19:22] <MrMcGonagall> I'm going to reserve judgment on Draco for the time being. I don't like him much, though. [19:22] <futureweasley> I personally think that Draco is just vastly misunderstood [19:22] <harryfreak359> Me too Debbie [19:22] <Aislinn> actually, we know that he would not have killed DD [19:22] <cloudpic> Don't hate Draco... but I distain his behavior and upbringing... [19:22] <Shard> I think though Jo *might* redeem him in some way [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I think the best thing I can say about Draco is that he needs to walk a mile in Harry's shoes to see what its like [19:22] <amyluhu> agree dumbledebbie [19:22] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Debbie. [19:22] <MinervasPetCat> no i feel sorry for him because all his life he's tried to please his father i think [19:22] <harryfreak359> I agree future [19:22] <adamgryff> I dislike Draco, because he is just a big bully, but I don't hate him [19:22] <Punky> Agreed FW [19:22] <fawkes28> i agree, mr. m we need to see how he turns out in the 7th book [19:22] <Shard> I agree Sooner lol [19:22] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I hated him up until HBP, but now I think he has just had such a horrid upbringing that he should be pityed [19:22] <jade_and_diamond_fire> oh, Draco's such a fun character, especially now that we know what really evil is (Voldie) Draco has become more of an entertainment (though annoying) factor [19:22] <Aislinn> but I find him contemptable [19:22] <Whisperwing> Draco, I dunno, up until he was weeping in the girls' loo, I didn't have much sympathy for him. [19:22] <cbm> He was trained to be a death eater his entire life, he never had a chance [19:23] <cloudpic> Good point Soonoer [19:23] <cloudpic> *Sooner [19:23] <amyluhu> Draco may turn around yet [19:23] <harryfreak359> I think that he is going to have a bad time already, Sooner, now with what is happening to him [19:23] <jade_and_diamond_fire> I like the theory that Draco will redeem himself, but I don't know if it is likely [19:23] <Whisperwing> And what was with warning her readers not to fall for the bad boys, then do this with Draco? [19:23] <cbm> I want to see where he goes in book 7 [19:23] <futureweasley> I think that he has changed quite a bit from the Draco we first met in Madam Malkins [19:23] <Shard> I think Draco has a good heart if he loves his family that much... as much as that makes me want to puke.... [19:23] <Rebekia> I think draco is just a product of bad parenting [19:23] <Ravenclaws_Heir> In all honesty, I admire him for not just strait out killing Dumbledore given his upbringing [19:23] <Aislinn> not enough yet though, FW [19:23] <Alexk> I can't hate draco because it's not his fault that his dad is a, let's say, "something", it wasn't his choice that his parents are evil [19:23] *** Punky left #lounge [] [19:23] <fawkes28> draco has made some poor decisions and he should not be entirely let off the hook...but he can be redeemed [19:23] <Rebekia> Under the right teaching he could be a great person [19:23] <MinervasPetCat> so true alex [19:23] <cloudpic> He's had other influences outside his family and their circle [19:23] <amyluhu> he is starting to see what he is up against and may change his loyalties [19:23] <futureweasley> no, Aislinn, you are right...but it's progressive [19:23] <cbm> If you had asked me after book 4, I would of said hate, after what he said in the train on the way home [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> the whole being trapped by Voldy took hiim down a peg [19:23] <Shard> I dont know about Great, but he's still human at least [19:23] <Aislinn> he is old enough to make his own choices alex [19:24] <Whisperwing> When was it ever Lucius's m.o. to straight out kill anyone? [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> I like the idea that he will live while he loses everthing that was imortant to him. Cause there are worse things than being run over by the Knight Bus [19:24] <fawkes28> draco probably has the best chance of being redeemed [19:24] <adamgryff> draco redeemed himself in not killing DD [19:24] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Sorry Guys, I have to go [19:24] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Bye [19:24] *** Ravenclaws_Heir has quit [Bye] [19:24] <futureweasley> I agree fawkes [19:24] <Alexk> well now [19:24] <Rebekia> Yes..and he was ver very close to taking D's bait [19:24] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [19:24] <Whisperwing> Bait, interesting turn of phrase [19:24] <futureweasley> he's already shown us that he personally values mercy...and that's a big "no-no" for any death eater [19:24] <cloudpic> It's like it took the extremes to help him shed his "skin" of upbringing [19:24] <cbm> I think he will screw up and get on the wrong side of Voldemort [19:24] <Shard> Yes Sooner, I think we need a more tortuours faate for Draco [19:24] <Aislinn> he was, rebekia [19:24] <Rebekia> i agree adam [19:24] <Whisperwing> You think he was making an offer he couldn't back up? [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> there may be some redemption to him, but I really hope not [19:24] <CedrellaBlack> true fw [19:24] <Shard> lol [19:25] <Alexk> i don't think draco had that much of a choice, he's too much of a coward to defy his family, so he'll stay where he is [19:25] <fawkes28> with draco jo really shows us that money and status don't make you happy [19:25] <futureweasley> Sooner, so mean! Give a git a chance!! We know you like to [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:25] <CedrellaBlack> lol [19:25] <Alexk> *in his current situation [19:25] <MinervasPetCat> i think draco is a victim of his father's verbal abuse and feels inferior. he feels like he always has something to prove. it also prolly explains why he's a bully. he is bullied at home [19:25] <MrMcGonagall> I just don't know where Draco will end up, but he certainly hasn't made many good choices thus far. [19:25] *** Ravenclaws_Heir has joined #lounge [19:25] <cloudpic> I agree MinervasPetCat [19:25] <Aislinn> I agree Mr M [19:25] <DumbleDebbie> hey if there's hope for the Smileball there is hope for Draco ;) [19:25] <Aislinn> he needs to step up and start making better choices with his life [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL debbie [19:25] <futureweasley> he didn't kill...that was the first, and probably most important choice he's made thus far [19:25] <adamgryff> lol [19:25] <Shard> True but he made one choice, not to AK DD [19:25] <Whisperwing> Smileball? [19:25] <CedrellaBlack> lol debbie [19:25] <fawkes28> i think he will have to face a decision where he can take the right path or the easy one and i think he will choose the right path [19:25] <MrMcGonagall> I think sparing DD might be the beginning of a turnaround. [19:25] <cbm> If he gets on the wrong side of Voldemort, the second part of Snape's Unbreakable vow is still in effect [19:26] <harryfreak359> LOL Debbie [19:26] <futureweasley> smileball = horrible typo on my part [19:26] <Whisperwing> smile [19:26] <cloudpic> Draco has a lot to overcome to become a decent guy... [19:26] <DumbleDebbie> yep FW [19:26] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I agree, Mr McGonagall [19:26] <cloudpic> LOL [19:26] <Aislinn> he has taken the easy one, right up until the end of HBP [19:26] <harryfreak359> hahaha [19:26] <Alexk> i agree ais, but it must be so hard to defy your own family [19:26] <futureweasley> I meant "slimeball" [19:26] <harryfreak359> Yes, agreed Aislinn [19:26] <Rebekia> whoa i just asked debbie and you typed the answer for me FW [19:26] <CedrellaBlack> aka snape [19:26] <amyluhu> i like the word smileball [19:26] <Alexk> sirius did it, but sirius is not a coward [19:26] <Ravenclaws_Heir> lol [19:26] <MrMcGonagall> I think the whole Malfoy family is going to be on the outs with LV. [19:26] <Whisperwing> Sue's a smileball [19:26] <amyluhu> agreee mr m [19:26] <Aislinn> exactly, alex - draco is a coward [19:26] <adamgryff> agreed Mr. McG [19:26] <DumbleDebbie> and she's sitting next to me FW ;) [19:26] <futureweasley> Lucius Malfoy–a pure blood maniac. When last we heard, he was cooling his heels in Azkaban. LV was not happy with him for failing to get the prophecy and for losing the diary. A cold character in every sense of the word, do you hate this miserable character? Why? [19:27] <futureweasley> lol Reb and Deb [19:27] <cbm> But no matter what, he is still responsible for the DEs getting into hogwarts, so he is still a slimeball [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> yep hate [19:27] <jade_and_diamond_fire> yes, sue's the ultimate smileball, she's contagious smileball [19:27] <Shard> Now Lucius I want to die, I want Draco to live with TAHT\ [19:27] <cloudpic> Well deserved punishment for former crimes. [19:27] <amyluhu> i hate and love lucius [19:27] <MrMcGonagall> I feel a tad more revulsion that I do for Draco. [19:27] <cbm> Lucius = EVIL [19:27] <CedrellaBlack> I hate lucius [19:27] <Shard> Lucius has done as much schmeing and medlding as LV [19:27] <Rebekia> Yea, well he's not my fav. person in the world. But...I think I could take him ;) [19:27] <amyluhu> lol j and df [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> DeathEater, nasty manipulative, belch [19:27] <adamgryff> ooh, yes he is the most vicious human being besides LV to roam the earth [19:27] <futureweasley> I don't think that Lucius is capable of redemption at this point [19:27] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Hate his very guts, and love to hate his very guts [19:27] <MinervasPetCat> i think he's a bigger coward than draco but we just haven't seen it yet [19:27] <cbm> He tried to kill children in CoS [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> *blech [19:27] <cloudpic> Thing is... even Lucius is a product of his upbringing [19:27] <SoonerGryffindor> Lucius is a goner, and we wont even need the bus for him [19:27] <fawkes28> if lucius was in the same position as his son was in, he wouldnt even have thought about killing DD [19:27] <jade_and_diamond_fire> who doesn't hate him after he kicked Dobby at the end of CoS [19:27] <cloudpic> But he's an adult [19:27] <MrMcGonagall> lol, Debbie! [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> HA! [19:27] <Alexk> I'd buy $100 portraits of him just to burn them [19:27] <Ravenclaws_Heir> True, Cloudpic [19:27] <CedrellaBlack> belch works too debbie [19:28] <jade_and_diamond_fire> and tried to kill children too, good point, cbm [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> yeah I thought that Ced smile [19:28] <harryfreak359> I dont like Lucius at all, he's definitely one I love to hate...he's such a great character [19:28] <Rebekia> He's not overly intellegent though. I mean he tries by using the Ministry as his lapdog, but it doesnt seem to be working all that well [19:28] <cloudpic> Should be more able to get past a bad influence... he was at Hogwarts too, no? [19:28] <futureweasley> I'd be surprised if he's still alive at the beginning of book 7, actually [19:28] <fawkes28> yes, jade, he treats dobby horribly! [19:28] <Alexk> rawr, cowardice runs in the family [19:28] <futureweasley> we could learn of his death as we did Igor Karkaroffs [19:28] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I mean, you have to consider if his parents were worse than he was [19:28] <Aislinn> he is the very worst kind of bigot and snob, and has no redeeming qualities [19:28] <CedrellaBlack> i hope he is alive just so we can see him die fw [19:28] <Ravenclaws_Heir> **he is [19:28] <MinervasPetCat> i agree alex [19:28] <cloudpic> You don't think Lucius is intelligent?? [19:28] <futureweasley> oh, harsh Ced! [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> you don't think there would be more made of it FW? [19:28] * SoonerGryffindor love to hate Lucius-- loves to drool over Jason Isaacs [19:28] <cloudpic> Rebekia? [19:28] <Whisperwing> You must be very well off to be willing to blow a hundred bucks like that [19:28] <CedrellaBlack> sorry i really cant stand him [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [19:28] <MinervasPetCat> lucius will always be a follower and not a leader [19:28] <harryfreak359> lol Sooner [19:28] <amyluhu> oh yay jason isaacs [19:28] <cbm> I think dieing in proson would be a perfect end for Lucius [19:28] <Ravenclaws_Heir> lol sooner [19:29] <Shard> lol Sooner [19:29] <fawkes28> you can really tell a person's character by the way they treat their inferiors and he treats his inferiors very poorly [19:29] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, I think Lucius will die in Book 7, so I'm not going to soil the front of the Knight Bus yet. [19:29] <Rebekia> Cloud--compared to some other DE's...not as much no [19:29] <cbm> *prison* [19:29] <cloudpic> Good point fawkes [19:29] <CedrellaBlack> i hate the way he treated his son. his house elf. his family. the governers [19:29] <Aislinn> too right, fawkes [19:29] <futureweasley> right cbm...it's justice served [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL Mr M [19:29] <amyluhu> just point your wand out the window at him before you hit [19:29] <cloudpic> Intelligent or magically talented? [19:29] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think i always wanted to see Arthur take Lucius down, but I'm not sure Arthur would kill him [19:29] <Rebekia> He uses the Ministry, but thats how i base my hate. If they're clever and evil i have more respect for some odd reason...er...ya [19:29] <MrMcGonagall> I see less chance of redemption for Lucius than for Draco. [19:29] <Whisperwing> Oh no, Lucius needs to break out of Azkaban and suffer a public humiliation. [19:29] <Shard> Lucvius needs to be served up to Lady Justice [19:29] <Alexk> i agree fawkes [19:29] <adamgryff> he treats everyone like objects, he has no respect for anyone but himself [19:29] <Shard> Though some may say he already is, being in Azkaban [19:29] <harryfreak359> I agree Mr.M [19:29] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I agree, jade [19:29] <futureweasley> in the world of Lucius, money talks...and he had a VERY big mouth [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Mr M [19:29] <amyluhu> yes i want lucius out of azk before he dies [19:29] <MinervasPetCat> adam that is exactly it! [19:29] <DumbleDebbie> I think it would be good if someoen he dispises took him dodwn, like say Peter [19:29] <Aislinn> yes, his chances for redemption are mighty slim [19:30] <CedrellaBlack> me too mrm [19:30] <cloudpic> Deserves to experience the consequences of his actions, yes [19:30] <Aislinn> he has not seen anything wrong in his actions [19:30] <Whisperwing> Who's for the Pants Lucius fund? Just a sickle! [19:30] <cloudpic> No remorse [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, but Lucius has LV wanting a piece of him, so I dont think money will help there [19:30] <Aislinn> and was quite ready to kill the kids in the Ministry, once he got the prophecy [19:30] <Alexk> Yes, but in truth, he is worth much less than those he considers inferior to him [19:30] <harryfreak359> Yes, he was Aislinn [19:30] <amyluhu> if lv kills lucius will draco turn? [19:30] <cloudpic> Yes, Alexk [19:30] <Whisperwing> He needs to be flown around like those poor Muggles at the World Quidditch Cup [19:30] <Ravenclaws_Heir> The only people on "his side" is his familt, and in book 7 he might even lose that. [19:30] <cloudpic> Turn? [19:30] <MrMcGonagall> i think so, amylu. [19:31] <Rebekia> If LV Kills Dracos MOM??? YES! Draco will fight LV [19:31] <harryfreak359> I would hope so amyluhu [19:31] <cloudpic> You mean "to the good"? [19:31] <amyluhu> change loyalties [19:31] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think that would be a big facter, amyluhu, maybe like what happened to Snape? idk...? [19:31] <amyluhu> be a good guy [19:31] <harryfreak359> I agree Rebekia [19:31] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Yes [19:31] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Well, draco anyone [19:31] <CedrellaBlack> i think draco is too much of a coward rebekia [19:31] <cloudpic> What about his wonderful Auntie... she taught him Occulumency [19:31] <CedrellaBlack> i thnk he might try...but he will chicken [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> we're nort really sure where Draco's loyalties are right now, he was wavering [19:31] <CedrellaBlack> think* [19:31] <Alexk> The Weasleys are infinite times better people than the Malfoys [19:31] <harryfreak359> I don't think he really cares about Bella [19:31] <Rebekia> Yea but he's a mommas boy, CB [19:31] <amyluhu> i often think of snape and draco as similar that is why i thought of it [19:31] <Whisperwing> Except Percy [19:31] <futureweasley> Narcissa “Cissy” Malfoy–Draco’s mummy and Lucius’ wife. She feared for Draco’s life so she entered into an Unbreakable Vow with Snape. She also gave Harry a dressing down [or tried] in Madam Malkin’s Robes for All Occasions. Do you hate this character? Why? [19:31] <Alexk> lol ww [19:31] <jade_and_diamond_fire> sorry, cloudpic, but do we know that Bellatrix taught him Occlumency? [19:32] <cloudpic> I'm confused about Narcissa [19:32] <Rebekia> I dont know enough about her to hate her [19:32] <CedrellaBlack> me to cp [19:32] <MrMcGonagall> I don't like her much, but I won't go so far as to say I hate her. In a way, I think she's weak. [19:32] <Whisperwing> I really don't. She's actually an admirably loyal mother. [19:32] <Shard> Shes a.... itch but I dunno if she deserves the bus [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> her one redeemed feature is she seems to love her son [19:32] <cloudpic> Not sure... [19:32] <harryfreak359> I don't "hate" her...I kind of feel sorry for her, but at the same time i dislike her [19:32] <Ravenclaws_Heir> She, at least, is capable of love [19:32] <amyluhu> yes. she loves her son but wouldn't die for him herself. she wanted snape to die for him instead. [19:32] <fawkes28> yes, ww, i think she is a loyal mother [19:32] <Rebekia> She's smart to try and get someone else to do her sons bidding...so she shows love... [19:32] <jade_and_diamond_fire> well, people do call her cissy... [19:32] <Shard> She does love her son and that may be punishment enough [19:32] <adamgryff> I don't know enough about her to hate her. I think she was forced to marry a pure blood and Luicious was it [19:32] <Whisperwing> If misguided. [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> but she's a stuck up annoying ... ahem... person [19:32] <Ravenclaws_Heir> She might have died for him ,amyluhu [19:32] <fawkes28> i actually think that she would die for her son [19:32] <Whisperwing> And I really don't think she's got the Dark Mark herself. [19:32] <futureweasley> I think she would die for Draco...but I'm no so sure she would do the same for Lucius [19:32] <Aislinn> interesting way of looking at it shard [19:32] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think she is kind of lot like Lily, superprotective mother [19:32] <Alexk> me too fawkes [19:32] <amyluhu> maybe [19:32] <futureweasley> agreed fawkes [19:33] <harryfreak359> I dunno what to really think fo her [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> I thnk you're right FW [19:33] <Whisperwing> If she did she'd have had to appear in the graveyard alongside Lucius [19:33] <MinervasPetCat> i think of the three of them narcissa is probably the strongest but we haven't seen as much of her. just that scene from hbp shows the courage she has that she would defy lv for the fthe love of her son [19:33] <harryfreak359> of* [19:33] <Shard> I mean she seemed really tormented in HBP, stressed that she was about to lose her family [19:33] <adamgryff> agree fawkes [19:33] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I think we are going to see more of her character in book 7 [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> me neither. I really think she has the potential to be truly evil, but we havent seen it yet [19:33] <jade_and_diamond_fire> fawkes, i think you and I are sharing a brain [19:33] <Ravenclaws_Heir> She is an example of a death eater that can love [19:33] <Shard> I think Lucius dying by LV's hand would be good [19:33] <amyluhu> she at least wouldn't have been abel to be at hogwarts to do what she asked snape to do. so sure she might have died for him [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think she's like Lily! Lily was a peopel person [19:33] <fawkes28> i question whether she would risk her life for lucius' life [19:33] <MrMcGonagall> She's always on the sidelines. [19:33] <MrMcGonagall> The ultimate evil soccer mom! [19:33] <Whisperwing> J&D Fire, put that brain back in the tank! [19:33] <Ravenclaws_Heir> agreed, fawkes [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I would love to see her deck Bella [19:33] <amyluhu> lucius may have mis treated her [19:33] <Aislinn> she still sounded loyal to Lucius, as she lashed out at her sister when she started to suggest that Lucius was the one at fault at the MoM [19:33] <MinervasPetCat> i agree dumbledebbie but she has shown she has strength out of her love [19:34] <Alexk> being evil doesn't make you a bad mother [19:34] <adamgryff> yes sooner [19:34] <amyluhu> true aislinn [19:34] <futureweasley> yes Shard...I think that I really identified a lot with Narcissa at "Spinner's End"...I would have done exactly what she did...been willing to make a deal with the devil if need be (and that's what she essentially did) [19:34] <jade_and_diamond_fire> lol, Whisperwing! [19:34] <Alexk> oops [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> very true Alex [19:34] <Alexk> nevermind, yes it does [19:34] <Ravenclaws_Heir> I think her loyalty to her husband is waning [19:34] <Alexk> you're teaching evil [19:34] <Alexk> so that would make you a bad mother [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> but not if you dont teach it to your kid [19:34] <Rebekia> Which is why if Narcissa dies..dracos going to go bonkers. I cannot wait biggrin [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Draco had Lucius for that [19:34] <Shard> Yes FW I do think think that Narcissa realises that LV is not the ideal she wants for the world, where her family is put to the sword as it were [19:34] <Alexk> but she lets Lucius teach him [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Rebekia [19:34] <Whisperwing> I don't know about The Devil -- a wicked imp, maybe [19:34] <Aislinn> oh, I think they have both been teaching him that lesson Sooner [19:35] <cloudpic> Do we know if Narcissa is a DE? Or married to one and sister to another? [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> lol WW [19:35] <Alexk> which makes her a bad mother for not standing up to lucius [19:35] <Shard> Lily was better then Narcissa though [19:35] <futureweasley> the Weasleys will take Draco in...can't you see it now? [19:35] <fawkes28> i don't think draco deserves to have his mother die [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she's more weak than anything [19:35] <Alexk> exactly sooner [19:35] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Sooner, wholeheartedly. [19:35] <Aislinn> she shares her husband's full blood bigotry [19:35] <amyluhu> yes weak sooner [19:35] <MrMcGonagall> She prefers the sidelines. [19:35] <futureweasley> I don't know that weak is the word...vulnerable is more appropriate [19:35] <Whisperwing> I'm pretty sure she's not an DE, like I said she'd have had to be in the graveyard when VOldemort called his followers at the end of GOF [19:35] <Shard> lol Oh Draco would love that [19:35] <Alexk> definitely aislinn [19:35] <adamgryff> she is more like a Merope character than the rest of the Malfoys [19:36] <futureweasley> I think that being weak and being powerless are 2 different animals [19:36] <Aislinn> she didn't seem all that vulnerable in the top box of the World cup [19:36] <Alexk> she teaches draco bad values just as much as lucius [19:36] <amyluhu> yes like merope adam [19:36] <Ravenclaws_Heir> exactly, adam [19:36] <MrMcGonagall> She's just never in the spotlight. [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I like that comparoison adam [19:36] <cloudpic> Maybe her sour look was from that trapped feeling she lives [19:36] <Aislinn> she's in a desperate situation now, and that is what makes her look more sympathetic [19:36] *** Shard has quit [Bye] [19:36] <jade_and_diamond_fire> interesting, adam [19:36] <amyluhu> or she needs to wash her lip cp [19:36] <Aislinn> but it is her's and her husband's actions and choices that have landed them in that situation [19:36] <cloudpic> She has learned to manipulate to stay on good terms with Lucius and get her way. [19:36] <MrMcGonagall> I wonder if Narcissa worries constantly about her family. Like a DE version of Molly Weasley. [19:36] <CedrellaBlack> i have to go guys byebyeee [19:36] <futureweasley> Madame Olympe Maxime–the big-boned headmistress of Beauxbatons. She denied being half-giant [as if]. She seemed to be using Hagrid for information in GoF, but did go with Hagrid as Dumbledore’s envoys to the giants. Did you hate this character? Why? [19:36] *** Shard has joined #lounge [19:36] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn, it is all about choices [19:37] <Whisperwing> She's the one who taught Draco he should always have anything he wants, by always making sure he had all the sweets he could ask for while at school for one thing. [19:37] <adamgryff> by ced [19:37] <amyluhu> bye ced [19:37] <DumbleDebbie> why would anyone hate her? [19:37] *** CedrellaBlack has quit [Bye] [19:37] <Alexk> bye ced! [19:37] <jade_and_diamond_fire> byez, CedrellaBlack, happy thanksgiving! [19:37] <futureweasley> I don't hate Madam Maxime [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> big-boned my butt [19:37] <Ravenclaws_Heir> No! I don't hate her. I mean, she's certainly not a perfect character but who is? [19:37] <MinervasPetCat> no i like madame maxime [19:37] <MrMcGonagall> No, I kind of like Maxime, even with her faults. [19:37] <amyluhu> no i love madam maxime [19:37] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> good thing we dont hate her, casue I dont think the bus could handle that [19:37] <Alexk> language sooner! LOL [19:37] <Rebekia> why would we hate her? [19:37] <cbm> I have no strong feelings about her [19:37] <DumbleDebbie> HA! [19:37] <futureweasley> she was in denial about who she was for a very long time...and for very good reason [19:37] <amyluhu> she was just emarassed. she eventually came around [19:37] <Shard> Were on Maxime?? [19:37] <Ravenclaws_Heir> Sure, she was a bit of a *beep* to hagrid in GoF but she completely redeemed herself [19:37] <adamgryff> no, I don't hate her. I think she's inbetween love and hate [19:37] <Shard> But shes cool [19:37] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Shard [19:38] <jade_and_diamond_fire> she's a bit stuck up, sort of a common french stereotype [19:38] <fawkes28> i actually find her admirable for going with hagrid to try to convince the giants to fight for the good side [19:38] <DumbleDebbie> I like her [19:38] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Ravenclaw. [19:38] <Whisperwing> Hate her? Disappointed in her briefly, but I did understand her motivation in wanting to deny her heritage, especially after meeting Umbridge with her 'half-breed' prejudices [19:38] <Rebekia> she eats bugs [19:38] <Shard> I like her too [19:38] <futureweasley> however, she was VERY manipulative with Hagrid in the beginning, and she broke his heart [19:38] <Shard> She came around in the end [19:38] <Ravenclaws_Heir> agreed, fawkes [19:38] <Aislinn> she was afraid of revealing her half-giant background, and hurt Hagrid in the process [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I think she had to deny her heritage because of the position she was in [19:38] <amyluhu> she seems pretty powerful too [19:38] <Ravenclaws_Heir> agreed, ww [19:38] <Alexk> i'm absolutely fine with maxime, she has hagrid's trust, and that's what's important to me [19:38] <jade_and_diamond_fire> yeah, the eating bugs was really gross sad [19:38] <Ravenclaws_Heir> have to go, bye [19:38] *** Ravenclaws_Heir has quit [Bye] [19:38] <Shard> Shes scared I think of people finding out about her, but I think she learned her lesson [19:38] <MrMcGonagall> With the prejudices in the wizarding world, I completely understand her sensitivity about being a half-giant. [19:38] <Alexk> that hagrid likes her [19:38] <Whisperwing> That was just in the movie [19:38] <Aislinn> but I think she is basically a good character, and stepped up when Dumbledore asked her to [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> in the end, she made the right decision and that's what redeemed her in my eyes [19:38] <Shard> Agreed Sooner [19:38] <futureweasley> right Sooner, agreed [19:38] <amyluhu> agree sooner [19:39] <Alexk> yes sooner [19:39] <MrMcGonagall> Yes, how many half-giants become heads of important wizarding schools? [19:39] <Shard> Besides you can't run her over, she's smack the buss aside [19:39] <futureweasley> Cormac McLaggen–a wannabe Keeper for the Gryffindor team. He also had eyes for Hermione. With a penchant for arrogance, braggadocio, and foolhardiness he hardly seems the type to be found in Gryffindor. Did you hate this character? Why? [19:39] <amyluhu> absolutlely [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:39] <Alexk> bye rh [19:39] <adamgryff> lol shard [19:39] <jade_and_diamond_fire> lol, Cormac! [19:39] <Whisperwing> How many half-giants exist beyond Olympe and Hagrid? [19:39] <Shard> He's annoying but not to thorw him under the bus [19:39] <MrMcGonagall> Loathed him. Under the bus with him. [19:39] <adamgryff> he [19:39] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M [19:39] <Shard> lol [19:39] <cloudpic> He annoyed me (and most of the others)... but that's not reason for hate [19:39] <jade_and_diamond_fire> he was sooooooooooooooooo funny! [19:39] <fawkes28> lol [19:39] <amyluhu> it isn't a hate like evil [19:39] <adamgryff> he's just annoying [19:39] <futureweasley> what just killed it for McLaggen in my eyes is when he tried to kiss Hermione by force...not cool [19:39] <DumbleDebbie> he's a bit annoying, but I don't hate him [19:39] <Shard> Maybe smack him around a bit [19:39] <Whisperwing> I thought him a complete clod. [19:39] <Aislinn> Cormac is a jerk [19:39] <amyluhu> it is more a hate like "he is so annoying" [19:39] <MinervasPetCat> he was a nuisance [19:39] <cloudpic> Not even as pesty as Rita [19:40] <MrMcGonagall> Anyone who loses Gryffindor a match deserves to be whacked with the bus. [19:40] <fawkes28> he was very annoying...i cant imagine if he was on the team the whole year [19:40] <amyluhu> i don't love to hate him [19:40] <Alexk> definitely fw [19:40] <Shard> LOL M MCG [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> eww [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Isnt it wonderful how Jo creates these delightfully annoying characters? [19:40] <cloudpic> Yikes Mr. McG! [19:40] <fawkes28> he would have driven poor harry insane [19:40] <Shard> Yes it is Sooner [19:40] <harryfreak359> He annoys me soooo much [19:40] <amyluhu> she must have known some huh sooner [19:40] <Whisperwing> Do a Bamm Bamm on him, pick the bus up and pound him with it. [19:40] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i was with harry when he wanted to kill Cormac after that unfortunate accident [19:40] <MrMcGonagall> And she had us all wondering about who this McLaggen would be. . . what a disappointment! [19:40] * cloudpic plans to be well-behaved in Mr. McGonagall's company [19:40] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [19:40] * Shard hides his Hufflepuff robes [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> al of us know someone like McLaggen at one point or another [19:41] <Aislinn> he would have, fawkes [19:41] <harryfreak359> lol Cloudpic [19:41] <amyluhu> yes i think they work in all offices [19:41] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:41] <fawkes28> i do like his irish name though [19:41] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [19:41] <futureweasley> he's cocky, and I hate that quality in people who really AREN'T "all that" [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> This post has been edited by Aislinn: Nov 22 2006, 09:45 PM |
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[19:41] <Whisperwing> Seamus is a perfectly fine Irish name
[19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> *stewie [19:41] <fawkes28> hi stewie [19:41] <cloudpic> Cedric! [19:41] <Shard> I won't *g* [19:41] <stewiegryf> hi everyone! [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> hi stewie [19:41] <Aislinn> me too fw [19:41] <fawkes28> true ww [19:41] <adamgryff> hi stewie [19:41] <Alexk> hi stewie [19:41] <jade_and_diamond_fire> yes, Sue's certainly got us all singing for Hufflepuff! [19:41] <amyluhu> hey [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> true FW [19:41] <fawkes28> yes, future, he has nothing to back up all the talking [19:41] <futureweasley> Phineas Nigellus–Hogwarts most hated former headmaster, he is deceased but currently represented by his portrait. Snide and sarcastic [is that really so bad?], he has no patience for the problems or concerns of others. He was Sirius’ great-great-grandfather and seemed truly upset at his death. Did you hate this character? Why? [19:42] <MrMcGonagall> Anyone who whacks Harry with a bludger deserves the same with a bus. That's all I have to say. [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL Mr M [19:42] <Shard> You know, I like Phineaas [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> I love his sense of humor [19:42] <Shard> I can't help it... I jkust do [19:42] <stewiegryf> I like Phineas for you comic relief [19:42] <futureweasley> lol Shard...I think I get it [19:42] <DumbleDebbie> don't really care either way [19:42] <cbm> He is a product of his era, and I like him [19:42] <amyluhu> I think he is OK. He can't really do anythng bad against a headmaster [19:42] <adamgryff> Phineas is mostly comic relief in the books, I don [19:42] <harryfreak359> I don't hate Phineas, he's kind of funny [19:42] <futureweasley> I was really touched when he heard that Sirius was dead [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> he's defnitely a Black, isnt he? [19:42] <Aislinn> I can see why he would have been the most hated headmaster though [19:42] <adamgryff> * dont hate hime [19:42] <MinervasPetCat> he was upset because there was no one left to carry on the family name. i liked him because he was snarky and i like his 'tude [19:42] <Whisperwing> Eh, nah -- he may have been supercilious and pretentious and arrogant, but he had such genuine grief over the death of Sirius that I really couldn't hate him. And after all it's not like he made any comments that weren't perfectly true. [19:42] <harryfreak359> I don't like his name though, it's a nightmare to spell... [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> me too Aislinn [19:43] <harryfreak359> Me too Aislinn [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> lol HF [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> lol hf [19:43] <fawkes28> i kind of liked him [19:43] <cbm> I bet he was VERY strict [19:43] <MrMcGonagall> Eh, I don't care much about Phineas one way or the other. I don't like his snide attitude. [19:43] *** Expelliarmas has joined #lounge [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Expie [19:43] <Shard> I agree FW he was touched [19:43] <futureweasley> I did hate that he tried to boss DD around [19:43] <MinervasPetCat> he reminds me a lot of snape [19:43] <fawkes28> hi expie smile [19:43] <adamgryff> hi expie [19:43] <Aislinn> hi expie [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> we're talking about Phineus [19:43] <stewiegryf> He reminds me of Christina from Grey's Anatomy...snarky, short-tempered but an all around good character [19:43] <harryfreak359> Hi expie [19:43] <futureweasley> hi Expie!! [19:43] <amyluhu> yes mpc [19:43] <Whisperwing> Teenagers are often just as he described them [19:43] * futureweasley hears salsa playing in the distance [19:43] <jade_and_diamond_fire> do you really think his grief over sirius was genuine? [19:43] <Expelliarmas> heya peepers [19:43] <Whisperwing> Oh, how about Doctor House? [19:43] <Aislinn> that's true whisper [19:43] <harryfreak359> I like his snide attitude...definitely slythering like [19:43] <amyluhu> it would be like having snape as headmaster. all detentions all the time [19:43] <Shard> FW: True but it was his personality to be a "alpha" person [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> dont you know that he would have been the headmaster from hell? [19:44] <Shard> I love Doctor House lol [19:44] <cloudpic> Shows what happens to a wretch given enough time and good influences to rub off [19:44] <cbm> I think his grief was for the ending of the black line, not for sirius [19:44] <futureweasley> oh yeah, Shard, I'd expect nothing less from him [19:44] <Shard> SG: He was Hogwarts most unliked Headmaster [19:44] <jade_and_diamond_fire> nice comparison, stewie, very nice smile [19:44] <Aislinn> I agree cbm [19:44] <Expelliarmas> which pathetic character are we on, please? [19:44] <amyluhu> agree cbm [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> yes he was. [19:44] <Whisperwing> He wasn't ashamed of Sirius the way his mother was. [19:44] <cloudpic> You're probably right cbm [19:44] <MrMcGonagall> I imagine he was a capable but mean-spirited headmaster. And I bet Slytherin won many House Cups during his tenure. [19:44] <amyluhu> phineas nigellas [19:44] <adamgryff> yes cbm [19:44] <Aislinn> Phineas nigellus [19:44] <Shard> STill even with his flat stereotypical self, he seemss better then say... Snape [19:44] <harryfreak359> Phineas nigellus [19:44] <futureweasley> Mrs. Norris–not really a character per se as she has no speaking lines [that we know of]. She has an odd *cough*connection*cough* to Filch and can find any wrong-doing student within seconds of their committing a crime. It’s the fondest wish of many Hogwarts’ students to give her a good kick. Do you hate this snitch cat? Why? [19:44] <Shard> What?? [19:44] <cloudpic> Creepy critter [19:44] <Shard> A cat? [19:45] <amyluhu> yes drop kicking that cat would be fine [19:45] <Whisperwing> I adore her, actually, but then I love all cats [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> My favorite moment for her was book 2 [19:45] <futureweasley> Mrs. Norris is worthy of my local Taxidermist [19:45] <harryfreak359> Yeah, actually I do not like her, [19:45] <Shard> No no no, don't throw her yunder the buss, then Crookshanks would be sad [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, she's creepy but I don't hate her [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> you can guess which one that was [19:45] <MinervasPetCat> i like her but i'm not sure why [19:45] <Aislinn> they use too cute of a cat in the movies for this cat [19:45] <MrMcGonagall> How do you really hate a putty-tat? [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> was she a bit stiff Sooner? [19:45] <adamgryff> she is one creepy little cat that needs to keep her nose out of other peoples business [19:45] <cbm> I love all cats except Mrs. Norris [19:45] <fawkes28> if she fell under the bus, i wouldn't mind [19:45] <jade_and_diamond_fire> yeah, drop kick is what i would go with, right into F and G's swamp [19:45] <futureweasley> she's GOT to be part Kneazle, like Crookshanks [19:45] <Whisperwing> I suspect I could comunicate with her, there's not many cats that don't like me back. [19:45] *** marielle has joined #lounge [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> yes Debbie laugh [19:45] <Expelliarmas> I don't think Crookshanks keeps company with the snitch cat [19:45] <amyluhu> agree adam [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> hi marielle [19:45] <fawkes28> hi marielle [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> how'd I guess? wink [19:45] <Alexk> brb [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> hi marielle [19:45] <cbm> Would you turn to avoid her if she was in front of the buS? [19:45] <Whisperwing> I think it's a Squib thing, being able to connect with cats [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> lol [19:46] <MinervasPetCat> futureweasley we were thinking that too. i had a discussion about that the other day with someone [19:46] <amyluhu> she and crookshanks are probably mortal enemies [19:46] <MrMcGonagall> Let's just say I'm a dog person. [19:46] <Shard> I woudl save her [19:46] <Whisperwing> I would definitely not run her over! [19:46] <Aislinn> I agree, expie - crookshanks is a better judge of character than that [19:46] <futureweasley> MrMcG breaks for animals [19:46] <fawkes28> that's an interesting point, ww [19:46] <jade_and_diamond_fire> maybe part Kneazle, but is there something else that could make her so smart, plus, she is never described as "ugly' like crookshanks [19:46] <amyluhu> agree mr m [19:46] <marielle> Hi everybody! [19:46] <DumbleDebbie> I think Jo said Mrs Norris is just a cat [19:46] <Shard> I brake for Mrs. Norris [19:46] <amyluhu> hi [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I'm sensing a bumper sticker for the Bus [19:46] <DumbleDebbie> ha, I was just going to say that Sooner [19:46] <Whisperwing> And I wouldn't dodge a dog, especially a certain snub-tailed Jack Russell that doesn't know when to shut her yap. [19:46] <MrMcGonagall> I wouldn't run Mrs. Norris over, but if Argus was right behind her . . . [19:46] <marielle> I jusst notice the subject and i couldn't resist [19:46] <futureweasley> lol Shard...why? [19:46] <Whisperwing> Good thing I don't actually drive [19:46] <Shard> Aww sad [19:46] <futureweasley> Pansy Parkinson–a pug-faced Slytherin girl who fancies Draco. She spends her time taunting the trio, especially Hermione. She has a gang of Slytherin girls–she’s kind of like Draco’s female counterpart. She was made a prefect the same year as Draco and went with him to the Yule Ball. Do you hate this character? Why? [19:47] <jade_and_diamond_fire> do squibs have their own "seeing eye dogs" in the cats, because Mrs. Figg also has them.. [19:47] <MinervasPetCat> lol mr. mcgonagall [19:47] <Shard> Not Filchy tooo [19:47] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, it's a fun one marielle [19:47] <fawkes28> she is not nice [19:47] <Shard> Pansy needs to get hurt bad [19:47] <MrMcGonagall> Anyone who fancies Draco deserves a kick in the pants. [19:47] <DumbleDebbie> follower [19:47] <cloudpic> Can you imagine ending up with Draco? Poor girl. [19:47] <futureweasley> Draco's girlfriend...enough said, really [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh, I really don;'t like her [19:47] <amyluhu> i don;t know if it is hate or disgust. [19:47] <Aislinn> hi marielle smile [19:47] <Shard> Shes so insufferable and shges the one that cursed hermione with that goo [19:47] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, future. [19:47] <Whisperwing> Pansy I hate because she's the epitome of the unliberated, hang onto a powerful man kind of girl. [19:47] <SoonerGryffindor> honestly, her and Draco deserve each other [19:47] <adamgryff> she another character I don't like because she's with Draco [19:47] <MinervasPetCat> it's disgust for me [19:47] <stewiegryf> lol future [19:47] <Shard> I agree SG [19:47] <cloudpic> Amen, Whisperwing! [19:47] <MrMcGonagall> did future and Sooner just agree on something? [19:47] <DumbleDebbie> match made in ... ahem... somewhere [19:47] <cbm> Strong dislike for her attitude [19:47] <Aislinn> she is a miserable excuse for a human being [19:47] <futureweasley> lol MrMcG [19:47] <cloudpic> Pitiful but not hateful [19:47] <Whisperwing> It's not the fact that she's with Draco so much as why she's with him, what she's out to get from it. [19:47] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think she's typical of many girls my age, and so , for me very easy to understand and hate [19:47] <harryfreak359> I don't like her....at all [19:48] <MrMcGonagall> She's one of those mean girls. [19:48] <MinervasPetCat> she's a hateful little ignorant snob [19:48] <marielle> Hi again, thisis going much too fast ! LOL [19:48] <stewiegryf> never underestimate the unifying power of hatred, Mr McG. [19:48] <amyluhu> agree mpc [19:48] <cloudpic> Easy to hate...maybe not so easy to understand [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, it makes your head spin sometimes marielle [19:48] <adamgryff> Draco is the most popular in her class of fellow Slyerins and of course she will go right for the big daddy prat [19:48] <Whisperwing> I bet she'd line right up with her forearm out if Voldemort curled his little finger at her. [19:48] <SoonerGryffindor> lol. I now have the movie "mean girls" in my mind [19:48] <futureweasley> she's just so mean...she's like the mean girls in High School that you avoid in the Hallways and in the bathrooms at all costs [19:48] <Whisperwing> A Bellatrix Junior in the making [19:48] <Aislinn> exactly FW [19:48] <DumbleDebbie> LOL FW & Sooner hahaha [19:49] <jade_and_diamond_fire> definitely, Whisperwing [19:49] <MrMcGonagall> I don't think she's really got the guts to be a DE. [19:49] <amyluhu> at least she wishes ww [19:49] <futureweasley> Sooner, we are on a roll [19:49] <harryfreak359> lol Sooner [19:49] <cloudpic> Or a Narcissa Jr. [19:49] <fawkes28> right adam [19:49] <futureweasley> lol cloudpic [19:49] <cloudpic> Hanger-on [19:49] <DumbleDebbie> yes, cloudpic [19:49] <SoonerGryffindor> future and I are sharing a brain right now.... be afraid... be VERY afraid [19:49] <Expelliarmas> my dislike for pansy increased exponentially when she was part of the inquisitorial squad [19:49] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, cloudpic. A Narcissa in the making. [19:49] <Whisperwing> Lots of people became DE's who weren;t really suited to it, look at all the people who cried off that they'd been under the Imperius! [19:49] <Aislinn> but she is the kind that would end up as one, as she wouldn't be strong enough to think about what the right choice is, and would just join in because her gang is [19:49] <cloudpic> LOL... am afraid! [19:49] <DumbleDebbie> can I have the brain back when you 2 are done with it? [19:49] <Expelliarmas> and got worse as she stroked Draco's hair on the train in HBP [19:50] <MrMcGonagall> The Corner Booth Mind Meld. [19:50] <futureweasley> she'll get what she deserves...a broken heart or a serious wake-up call [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont think it would be good for much Debbie laugh [19:50] <Aislinn> yes, expie - agreed [19:50] <futureweasley> LOL MrMcG [19:50] <DumbleDebbie> ha! [19:50] <Whisperwing> If Voldemort had hair don't you think Bellatrix would stroke it? [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> ewww. that whole stroking the hair thing was realy gross! [19:50] <Expelliarmas> She even tested Draco as to whether he though Ginny was pretty [19:50] <MrMcGonagall> Are we all on the same bus? [19:50] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [19:50] <fawkes28> lol [19:50] <Expelliarmas> pretty much MrM [19:50] <DumbleDebbie> floor it Mr M wink [19:50] <cloudpic> Hanging on tightly [19:50] <Expelliarmas> is this the Magic Bus? [19:51] <futureweasley> Peeves–the poltergeist. He lives to cause mayhem and chaos and takes great joy in misery. Do you hate this character? Why? [19:51] <Shard> Sooner"; to me that whole hair stroking meant they had gotten farther then jus kissing if you know what I mean [19:51] <MinervasPetCat> lol [19:51] <Whisperwing> Seat belt fastened [19:51] <fawkes28> i love peeves [19:51] <DumbleDebbie> the wheels on the bus go round and round [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> eww Shard [19:51] <Whisperwing> I lurve Peeves! [19:51] <amyluhu> i love peeves. no hate involoved [19:51] <stewiegryf> I love Peevess as a character [19:51] <Shard> How can you run over a poltergiest? It would just make him laugh [19:51] <fawkes28> he brings such humor to the books [19:51] <Aislinn> I love peeves! [19:51] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think we hated peeves before book 5, and then he became a god [19:51] <DumbleDebbie> Peeves is funny [19:51] <harryfreak359> I love Peeves!!! [19:51] <Shard> Sooner: I didnt say I like d it, just that I thought it lol [19:51] <adamgryff> he's annoying and a big comic relief I don't hate him [19:51] <MinervasPetCat> who could hate peeves? he's saved harry more times than he's hindered any of his plans [19:51] <MrMcGonagall> Awww, you have to love Peeves. [19:51] <Aislinn> I wouldn't want to share a castle with him, but I think he's really funny [19:51] <fawkes28> he can come on the bus with us! [19:51] <SoonerGryffindor> I would love to try to run over Peeves. That would be funny cause it wouldnt hurt him [19:51] <cloudpic> I liked Peeves especially after he acknowledged the twins' request to go after Umbridge [19:51] <Expelliarmas> Peeves is both disgusting and funny; when he was after Umbridge good; when he was threatening to rat the trio in PS, bad [19:51] <stewiegryf> How can you not like someone who chances Umbridge with a walking stick? [19:51] <Whisperwing> I liked him when he was tossing water balloons! [19:51] <futureweasley> Peeves is the ultimate rule-breaker...and I just can't forgive him for that! Though he's funny at times, I just want to vanquish him [19:52] <cloudpic> I still think he was Dumbledore's eyes and ears around the castle [19:52] <DumbleDebbie> true Sooner he'd just :P [19:52] <jade_and_diamond_fire> don't you think peeves would love to drive the Knight Bus...? [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> yes cloudpic, he earned a lot of respect from me in that scene [19:52] <fawkes28> peeves would just throw water balloons at the bus [19:52] <adamgryff> true stewie [19:52] <Whisperwing> Oh, fw, you're a Filch-alike? [19:52] <amyluhu> yes let peeves drive [19:52] <Expelliarmas> he's also the bane of Mrs. Norris and Filch [19:52] <SoonerGryffindor> OMG! -- * Is picturing Peeves drivng the bus* [19:52] <futureweasley> No, but I am evidently Percy-fied [19:52] <cloudpic> Ooooo Peeves at the wheel... now that's a scary thought! [19:52] <Expelliarmas> on the whole, I like Peeves [19:52] <Whisperwing> Oooh there's an avatar that needs to be made! [19:52] <cloudpic> Me too, Expie [19:52] <DumbleDebbie> much better than the shrunken heads [19:52] <cloudpic> LOL [19:53] <fawkes28> we really need someone to lighten the mood when times get too sirius [19:53] <SoonerGryffindor> Peeves is an equal-opportunity mischief maker [19:53] <Shard> Throw away those shrunken heads [19:53] <MinervasPetCat> i gained a whole lot of respect for peeves when he showed respect for the twins [19:53] <Whisperwing> He could steer with his bum! [19:53] <DumbleDebbie> agreed Shard [19:53] <futureweasley> Peevsie hits the ickle Umbry-Wumbry!! *evil cackle* [19:53] <harryfreak359> LOL [19:53] <fawkes28> i agree minerva [19:53] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [19:53] <futureweasley> Peter Pettigrew–the rat. He betrayed Lily and James which led to their murders. His service of LV enabled his return and to more deaths. He spent years as a rat to avoid detection. Do you hate the rat? Why? [19:53] <harryfreak359> now how can you hate him for that? [19:53] <amyluhu> i hope peeves is in ootp movie [19:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I do not have words [19:53] <cbm> HATE [19:53] <Aislinn> for what he did to Umbridge, I will forever honor him - Peeves [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> hate him [19:54] <fawkes28> i loathe the rat [19:54] <Expelliarmas> Oh my God! Where to begin ... [19:54] <Whisperwing> Must hate Peter. [19:54] <amyluhu> yes...traitor [19:54] <adamgryff> I have to say I hate the rat [19:54] <Aislinn> Peter is the worst kind of person [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> weak, traitorus blech [19:54] <harryfreak359> I loathe the dispicable coward [19:54] <Shard> Now Peter you can run over... slowly [19:54] <cloudpic> I come as close to hate as I can imagine with Peter, [19:54] <fawkes28> he betrayed his best friends [19:54] <SoonerGryffindor> There are not enough Knight Buses in the world to do him justice [19:54] <MinervasPetCat> i agree he is the worst sort of person [19:54] <stewiegryf> He was their friend, and he betrayed them! I can't stand Pettigrew [19:54] <jade_and_diamond_fire> yeah, i think this isn't an example of love to hate, he's not a fun character, he's soooo terrible its pretty much incomprhensible [19:54] <DumbleDebbie> get ready to put the bus in reverse Mr M [19:54] <Aislinn> traitor, self-serving [19:54] <cloudpic> Had all the advantages and spit on them [19:54] <MrMcGonagall> I do hold out some small hope of redemption yet because of the life debt to Harry, but I won't hesitate to maim him with the Knight Bus. [19:54] <Whisperwing> Whether he's the wishy washy Wormtail of the books or the clearly much more intentionally vile rat of the movies. [19:54] <futureweasley> I know I am the only person who feels sorry for Peter and for the Dursleys...I think I'm a bleeding heart [19:54] <Whisperwing> Hate the movie Peter more, actually. [19:54] <marielle> I don't like Peter, but i don't hate him, maybe because i never witness all the bad things he did [19:54] <adamgryff> He betrayed his friends and then ran back to LV later. I'm not sure if redemption is in him [19:54] <fawkes28> but mr. m, do you think he can ever truly be redeemed? [19:55] <Shard> I feel sorry for Peter but then he did bring back the LV and that is irrevocable [19:55] <stewiegryf> Is it really redemption, though, MrM if he's magically bound to do it? [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> yeah, I guess we should let himrepay the debt and then mow him down [19:55] <Aislinn> Peter betrayed his friends - that was an inexcusable choice that he made [19:55] <DumbleDebbie> I can feel somewhat bad for the Dursleys maybe, but not Peter. he made his own choices and he deserves what he gets [19:55] <jade_and_diamond_fire> and yet you hate peeves, future? [19:55] <Aislinn> no one forced him to turn traitor [19:55] <Whisperwing> He murdered twelve people in cold blood just to provide a smokescreen for faling his own death! [19:55] <Shard> Just run over that silver hand, it's obviously a Horcrus [19:55] <cloudpic> Peter had friends who helped him fit into his world... and turned his back. [19:55] <Whisperwing> How do you get redemption from that? [19:55] <Whisperwing> faking [19:55] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think the debt repaying will be a conscious choice, I think it'll just happen [19:55] <Aislinn> right, cloudpic [19:55] <Expelliarmas> but for his cowardice, but for his betrayal, LV doesn't come back. how many people died and had lives changed forever because of him [19:55] <cloudpic> Lord Voldemort forced him to turn traitor though... [19:55] <futureweasley> Is Peter beyond redemption? [19:55] <harryfreak359> yes [19:55] <SoonerGryffindor> no [19:55] <cloudpic> He was very afraid. [19:55] <adamgryff> I agree debbie [19:56] <Shard> Maybe FW [19:56] <Whisperwing> Forced? [19:56] <Aislinn> we don't know that cloud [19:56] <Whisperwing> Yeah right [19:56] <Aislinn> he didn't have to go to LV in the first place [19:56] <amyluhu> no but after redeemed will probably do bad again [19:56] <Expelliarmas> Jo says no, but I'd have a hard time forgiving him and getting beyond that [19:56] <cloudpic> He said it and it is LV's way... [19:56] <MrMcGonagall> If he saves Harry somehow, I will definitely let him live. [19:56] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i think he is [19:56] <Expelliarmas> *yes [19:56] <SoonerGryffindor> there still is that whole life debt thing and I need to see how that plays out [19:56] <cloudpic> Of course he probably lied [19:56] <stewiegryf> Not really, but it will take a SIGNIFICANT action for him to be redeemed [19:56] <Whisperwing> Like Sirius said, he could have chosen death over betrayal [19:56] <fawkes28> i think even if he repays the debt i will not like him [19:56] <DumbleDebbie> it'll be interesting to see what happens [19:56] <Expelliarmas> still, he's a loathsome, foul creature [19:56] <cloudpic> Like save everyone and eliminate LV [19:57] <SoonerGryffindor> I will never like him [19:57] <fawkes28> he has made too many poor choices - selfish choices [19:57] <marielle> I don't think peter had friends, by that i mean i don't think he ever concider them as friends, i think he was just using them for the show, so people would see him in nice compagny! [19:57] <Whisperwing> He should die taking Voldemort down. [19:57] <fawkes28> there are no excuses in my book [19:57] <futureweasley> I think that Peter, above all characters in these stories, is weak. A victim of the worst kind of cowardice and his own worst enemy [19:57] <Aislinn> he was trying to save his own neck, yes. I think he may redeem himself in the last book, but it won't change the tragedy of what he did to all of the Maurauders [19:57] <adamgryff> he chose to kill 12 inoccent lives he is in the league with the other DE [19:57] <DumbleDebbie> still waiting for those Gryffindor traits to be expressed [19:57] <cbm> I do not think he is redeemable, but he will end up helping Harry, that is a long way from redemption [19:57] <MinervasPetCat> every choice he has ever made has been selfish it seems, right from his selection of friends to boost his own status. he's a lot like draco and lucius that way [19:57] <amyluhu> oooh true dd. [19:57] <MrMcGonagall> Like Draco, I think we need to keep the bus in park until book 7 is over. [19:58] <fawkes28> yes, adam [19:58] <futureweasley> I don't hate Peter...I feel sorry for him. And I think that he will somehow be able to come back and do for Harry something that is over the top important [19:58] <Aislinn> agreed minerva [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> then run him over if he's still an evil little rat? [19:58] <DumbleDebbie> Jo has set it up like that FW [19:58] <amyluhu> yes sooner [19:58] <Expelliarmas> I don't feel sorry for Peter; he made these choices, he deserves the consequences [19:58] <Aislinn> his choices directly led to the death of the Potters, Harry being an orphan, Sirius being framed, Lupin being suspected - there is not a lot to feel sorry for there [19:58] <futureweasley> yes, she has Debbie [19:58] <stewiegryf> and then back it up and do it again sooner [19:58] <DumbleDebbie> we'll have to get Umbridge to hold him still for the bus [19:58] <adamgryff> yes expie [19:58] <SoonerGryffindor> lol stewie [19:58] <MinervasPetCat> i'm all for that soonergryffindor! i hope he pays dearly for his betrayal [19:58] <harryfreak359> Peter will never be redeemed in my eyes [19:58] <Whisperwing> It should be just as Wormtongue stabbed Sauron in the back in the Shire. Harry shows mercy, attempt to let an unimpowered VOldemort go free, Peter goes psycho and attacks VOldemort, killing the both of them [19:58] <harryfreak359> no matter what he does [19:59] <fawkes28> i agree, aislinn [19:59] <DumbleDebbie> could be WW [19:59] <futureweasley> fear motivated all of that... [19:59] <Alexk> back [19:59] <Alexk> oh no, we're past rita? [19:59] <Expelliarmas> His actions continue to reverberate--Dumbledore, Amelia Bones, Vance, etc. These deaths don't happen but for Peter's choice to return to LV [19:59] <futureweasley> and I feel badly for those whose soul motivations are fear [19:59] <adamgryff> even if he saves harry it does not make up for the damage he has done to so many other families [19:59] <DumbleDebbie> wb alexk [19:59] <cbm> Even if fear motivated it, it was still his choice [19:59] <harryfreak359> fear and selfishness [19:59] <Expelliarmas> not fear at all--the love of power [20:00] <Aislinn> that's not an acceptable excuse for doing that to one's own best friends [20:00] <DumbleDebbie> not yet Alexk [20:00] <harryfreak359> yes, agreed, cbm [20:00] <Alexk> oh good [20:00] <Aislinn> with a friend like him, who needs enemies? [20:00] <Expelliarmas> he wanted to be the big man; and sacrificed his friends in the process [20:00] <futureweasley> Madam Pince–the gimlet-eyed librarian (and rumored girlfriend of Mr. Filch). She chased Harry and Ginny out of the library for daring to have chocolate there in OotP. She’s completely unapproachable. Do you hate this character or not? Why? [20:00] <Whisperwing> Redemption is unlikely, but it would be justice for Peter to die taking down Voldemort. [20:00] <Alexk> ill be back soon, bye for 30 min. [20:00] <harryfreak359> No, I don't hate her...just never really focused any attention on her [20:00] <MinervasPetCat> she's a neutral [20:00] *** Alexk has quit [Bye] [20:00] <adamgryff> I don't hate her, I just don't think she cares for children all the much [20:00] <jade_and_diamond_fire> omg, i was just listening to the "You're A Mean One, Madam pince" filk [20:00] <DumbleDebbie> no, I don't hate her [20:00] <futureweasley> Pince/Filch shippers! LOL, they totally deserve each other [20:00] <SoonerGryffindor> I dont hate her at al [20:01] <Whisperwing> I do not hate her and I resent other people hating her. [20:01] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i don't think she's really that interesting or loathsome [20:01] <Aislinn> they do FW smile [20:01] <harryfreak359> lol probably cause I act just like her with anyone who touches my books laugh [20:01] <fawkes28> yes, she doesnt really cross my mind much except when future brings up ships [20:01] <stewiegryf> She's unpleasent, but I don't hate her. [20:01] <DumbleDebbie> lol HF [20:01] <futureweasley> Whisper, you're a librarian, right? [20:01] <Expelliarmas> I don't hate her, but she sure makes using the library a real pain [20:01] <Whisperwing> Gimlet-eyed, that's like having permanent puppy-dog eyes. [20:01] <SoonerGryffindor> I htink she has more of a connection to the main story line and we will find out more in book 7 [20:01] <Whisperwing> No I'm not [20:01] <Whisperwing> I'ma book a holic though [20:01] <DumbleDebbie> ooo interesting Sooner [20:01] <MinervasPetCat> i agree harryfreak359. she acts like most librarians, or at least the ones i know [20:01] <adamgryff> brb [20:02] <Whisperwing> Librarians are like priests and priestesses to me. Although I've only known a few male librarians... [20:02] <futureweasley> her books are her babies...she could care less about the students [20:02] <stewiegryf> I agree sooner. I think she knows a lot more than we are led to believe [20:02] <harryfreak359> Yes, Future [20:02] <futureweasley> and that's funny to me...I see Pince as comic relief [20:02] <Expelliarmas> she's a librarian--she knows plenty [20:02] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, future. [20:02] <Whisperwing> Steve VanderArk's a librarian after all! [20:02] <SoonerGryffindor> I love the description of her in one of the comic relief books [20:02] <Aislinn> yes, FW, she's much more interested in protecting her books than in helping the students learn [20:02] <futureweasley> yes he is [20:02] <MrMcGonagall> She's like a Marian-the [20:02] <fawkes28> but really we just see her through harry's eyes, who does need to be shhhhed in the library a few times so it is hard to judge her [20:03] <MinervasPetCat> yes expelliarmas i think she's a nosy old biddy and we might hear some secrets from her yet [20:03] <MrMcGonagall> Like a Marian-the-Librarian version of Sirius' mother. [20:03] <cloudpic> Oh, yes, Mr. McG. only older and more lonely? [20:03] <amyluhu> i don;t hate her . she is just strict nad protective of the books [20:03] *** adamgryff has quit [Bye] [20:03] <Expelliarmas> I don't think she has anything to add to the story [20:03] <futureweasley> Professor Quirrell–Harry’s first DADA teacher. He was later possessed by LV who took a room in the back of Quirrell’s head to keep him more under control. Did you hate or pity Quirrell? Why? [20:03] <harryfreak359> Niether do I [20:03] <cloudpic> Yet [20:03] <DumbleDebbie> weak [20:03] <Whisperwing> Well then I hope she turns out to be pivotal in seven! [20:03] <amyluhu> hated him. he was weak like peter [20:03] <harryfreak359> I deeply dislike Quirrel...no pity there [20:03] <futureweasley> I totally pitied Quirrell [20:03] <SoonerGryffindor> he was a killer [20:03] <cloudpic> Heh heh [20:04] <SoonerGryffindor> no ity from me [20:04] <MinervasPetCat> i find most of the evil characters are so weak [20:04] <MrMcGonagall> First I thought he was an incompetent, weak goofball. Then I realized he was a weak, evil goofball. [20:04] *** mammaprince has joined #lounge [20:04] <Expelliarmas> Hateful, he's another one who loved power and went to extremes to get it--including helping LV [20:04] <futureweasley> he was possessed by Lord Voldemort! [20:04] <fawkes28> he was weak and allowed himself to be taken over [20:04] <DumbleDebbie> true Minerva [20:04] <amyluhu> true mpc [20:04] <cloudpic> Allowed? [20:04] <marielle> hate no, but he was rather stupid to haveaccepted that deal though [20:04] <Aislinn> Quirrell was a weak man who allowed himself to be possessed [20:04] <futureweasley> I think it was NOT a choice [20:04] <harryfreak359> He wasn't "possessed" he knew what he was doing...and he let it [20:04] <Expelliarmas> he allowed himself to be possessed by LV, that was a deliberate thing [20:04] <cloudpic> Not everyone is strong enough to resist a superior power [20:04] <Aislinn> i think it was [20:04] <Aislinn> he wasn't possessed initially [20:04] <fawkes28> he reminds me of peter in a way [20:05] <MrMcGonagall> He didn't exactly seem to be resisting LV's instructions. [20:05] <futureweasley> possession or certain death? hmmm? [20:05] <DumbleDebbie> he did seem complicit in the possession [20:05] <Aislinn> he didn't have the turban in the Leaky Cauldron [20:05] <Expelliarmas> No he was not initially possessed [20:05] <MinervasPetCat> yes fawkes he is very much like pettigrew [20:05] <DumbleDebbie> Voldy had no power to kill at that time, just posses [20:05] <harryfreak359> not like Ginny was possessed...she had no clue [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> He had as much choice as peter had [20:05] <fawkes28> he made the easy choice...he gave in [20:05] <MrMcGonagall> Maybe he was carrying Vapormort in a jar at the time. [20:05] <stewiegryf> He is the one that said "There is no good and evil, only power and those too weak to seek it." [20:05] <cloudpic> Put yourselves in his place, though, with Lord Voldemort and only Quirrell's abilities and strength [20:05] <SoonerGryffindor> if we castigate eter, then we cantt let Quirrle off the hook [20:05] <amyluhu> agrtee sooner [20:05] <harryfreak359> Agreed Sooner [20:05] <MinervasPetCat> ginny was seduced and it was a slow process. she didn't realize what was happening [20:05] <Aislinn> yes, and bought into LV's mantra, as stewie said [20:06] <stewiegryf> I think it was definitely his choice, to seek the power [20:06] <DumbleDebbie> I thnk Vapormort was in a snake and then switched to Qurirell [20:06] <futureweasley> think of how LV talked to Peter at the beginning of GoF...I'm sure his conversations with Quirrell went along the same lines [20:06] * cloudpic tends to identify with the Cowardly Lion [20:06] <MrMcGonagall> Right, Sooner, under the bus with him. Oops, he's already dead. [20:06] *** coach has joined #lounge [20:06] <Expelliarmas> He had more of a choice than Peter actually, he didn't have to betray his friends [20:06] <marielle> I think that he had the choice to follow LV, i don't think he was force to do it, LV could harly do magic because he had no body. he used Quirrell trough persusion in order to be able to possess him, so he could ahve a body to do magic. [20:06] <futureweasley> "I'm going to possess you now, or you will die" Get it, got it, good [20:06] <DumbleDebbie> Quirrell could have brough tthe snake back as a pet [20:06] <cloudpic> Yeah, future [20:06] *** SoonerGryffindor has quit [Bye] [20:06] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [20:06] <cbm> he called vapormort "my lord" to me that makes him a willing follower [20:06] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [20:06] <Aislinn> vapourmort wasn't really strong enough to do anything to Quirrell if he chose to walk away FW [20:06] <Expelliarmas> Don't think it happened that way fw [20:06] <fawkes28> true, marielle [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> wb Sooner [20:07] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks, needed to refresh [20:07] <Expelliarmas> He thought it an honor to be LVs instrument [20:07] <amyluhu> lol vapormort [20:07] <MrMcGonagall> I think Quirrell must have been complicit in the possession - LV couldn't have really hurt him in his Vapromort form. [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> bad Snuffles [20:07] <harryfreak359> He could have chosen to die over than to join LV...it makes him a coward...it was still his choice [20:07] <Aislinn> exactly Mr M [20:07] <futureweasley> you don't think he was mind-melded into thinking that way? [20:07] <harryfreak359> There is always a choice [20:07] *** Whisperwing has quit [Bye] [20:07] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [20:07] <Aislinn> no FW [20:07] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [20:07] <MinervasPetCat> yes harryfreak i agree [20:07] <harryfreak359> no Future [20:07] <Expelliarmas> No fw, not at all [20:07] <Whisperwing> Ooh is it a DHARMA fishcake? [20:07] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [20:07] <coach> he decided that LV was right, there is no good and evil, only power [20:08] *** Rebekia has quit [Bye] [20:08] <MrMcGonagall> LV is pretty persuasive, but Quirrell doesn't seem to have been possessed the way Ginny was possessed. [20:08] <harryfreak359> yes Coach [20:08] <futureweasley> Tom Marvolo Riddle/Lord Voldemort–a total psychopath–he is out to destroy Harry and take over the Wizarding world. He has split his soul and housed the pieces in horcruxes hidden throughout the Wizarding world. A mass murderer who can no longer be said to be human. Do you hate this loathsome creature? Why? [20:08] <DumbleDebbie> hate [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, yes, yes, yes [20:08] <MrMcGonagall> The Bus screeches into action! [20:08] <Expelliarmas> Oh Hate! [20:08] <cbm> LOATHE HIM [20:08] <harryfreak359> I hate him, yeah, sure, but I don't love to hate him [20:08] <DumbleDebbie> is there any other option? [20:08] <fawkes28> hehe i was waiting for the bus to come out [20:08] <Aislinn> the only unreedemable character in the series, according to Jo [20:08] <mammaprince> well [20:08] * Expelliarmas thinks MrM is burning rubber [20:08] <SoonerGryffindor> lay rubber Mr M!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [20:08] *** adamgryff has joined #lounge [20:09] <jade_and_diamond_fire> i don't think the bus is big enough for this one... wouldn't we need 6 anyway? [20:09] <amyluhu> yes [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> wb Adam smile [20:09] <futureweasley> he's caused so much pain and destruction...how can one every forgive for all that? [20:09] <adamgryff> where are we [20:09] <fawkes28> adam, we just moved on to voldemort [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> just in time for Voldy [20:09] <coach> He's a fantastic character, I can appreciate that, but he is as evil and loathsome as they come [20:09] <amyluhu> we need 7 buses to get him [20:09] <stewiegryf> yes, debbie, there is hate, loathe, depise or all fo the above [20:09] <SoonerGryffindor> we jut started VOldemort Adam [20:09] <Expelliarmas> LV wants no forgiveness [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> lol stewie! [20:09] <MinervasPetCat> yes he is totally loathesome because he is probably as weak as his weakest follower. he just knows how to think a bit better and he manipulates weaker minds [20:09] <Aislinn> right Expie - he does not see anything he has done as wrong [20:09] <cbm> he has no redeeming values [20:09] <adamgryff> LV there is no redeamable quality to him [20:09] <DumbleDebbie> bring out the entire fleet of buses and line 'em all up [20:09] <marielle> Well i am not sure i hate him!!!!!! Please don't kill me. I think he is pathetic, his manic for power is simply pathetic! [20:09] <fawkes28> right, cbm [20:09] <MrMcGonagall> Oh look! Horcrux speedbumps. Better take those out first. [20:09] <Whisperwing> Hate is a dangerous feeling to have without a healthy dose of fear to go with it when talking about You Know Who [20:09] <amyluhu> lol dd [20:09] <Expelliarmas> I don't think LV is weak at all--he's a psychopath [20:10] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he needs to be driven straight into the veil [20:10] <futureweasley> I didn't say he did, Expie...but Harry is going to have to find it inside of him to feel something other than hate for him [20:10] <harryfreak359> lol Mr.M [20:10] <adamgryff> lol mr. mcg [20:10] <stewiegryf> LOL MrM [20:10] <fawkes28> he made every single choice along the way [20:10] <harryfreak359> I agree Expie [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [20:10] <coach> Well, if applied differently he has many redeeming qualities, ambition, drive, persistence. [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> yes Sooner [20:10] <fawkes28> his body even changed as he became more evil....horrible [20:10] <Whisperwing> Oh, if you've ever seen American Psycho, you'd get an idea of what Voldie was like before he went snakey faced [20:10] <DumbleDebbie> but he chose to apply him the way he did [20:10] <Expelliarmas> that's a different point though, fw [20:10] <adamgryff> he is a sick and deluted person who has a taste for torture [20:10] <Aislinn> those are only redeeming if they are coupled with love, understanding and compassion coach [20:10] <amyluhu> harry will have to hate him alot if he uses the avada jadavre on lv [20:10] * MrMcGonagall runs over Voldemort, then backs up and does it six more times. [20:10] <coach> yes, that's the problem, he's totatly evil [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> there just arent enough words in the english language to describe how evil he is [20:11] <stewiegryf> agreed Aislinn [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> he enjoys hurting people [20:11] <fawkes28> i agree, future, harry cannot counter hate with hate [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> thanks Mr M [20:11] * harryfreak359 cheers on Mr.M [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> that's just sick [20:11] <adamgryff> Thank you Mr. M [20:11] <fawkes28> only 6? [20:11] <cloudpic> Probably would leave nasty stains on the bus [20:11] <SoonerGryffindor> for each horcrux [20:11] <DumbleDebbie> good driving Mr M! [20:11] <MinervasPetCat> adamgryff i agree. he is as mad as a hatter and ppl have mistaken that for power [20:11] <futureweasley> no, that was the point I was trying to make. he's so hated, that there's got to be something more to how we look at him [20:12] <mammaprince> He is a great ilusionist though that it is power [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> he's the one character that Jo said cannot be redeemed [20:12] <Whisperwing> He should be exposed to the Heart of the TARDIS, he should. [20:12] <Expelliarmas> no, fw, I don't think there is--he is what he is--a psychopath [20:12] <MrMcGonagall> I do feel a lot of pity for what he has made out of his life, but he is irredeemable. [20:12] <fawkes28> and i am glad he wont be redeemed, he has done far too much damage [20:12] <cloudpic> Yes, Expell... with no cure. [20:12] <amyluhu> i feel no pity [20:12] <SoonerGryffindor> I mean, he tortured little bunnies when he was 11 [20:12] <Aislinn> and other little kids [20:12] <Expelliarmas> I feel no pity for this guy; he made deliberate choices to inflict pain--even at an early age. [20:12] <DumbleDebbie> and chidren soon after [20:12] <stewiegryf> Not to mention little kids [20:12] <mammaprince> Other children when he was younger then that [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> complete psycopath [20:13] <fawkes28> yes, mr. m he could have used his power for good and not evil [20:13] <adamgryff> Shutter to think what else he did that we don't know about yet [20:13] <Aislinn> he was making evil choices from his eariest days [20:13] <MinervasPetCat> i agree amyluhu. there comes a point where someone is just so evil they don't deserve pity [20:13] <MrMcGonagall> Hmmm, does LV deserve a hug, or the bus? Definitely the bus. [20:13] <harryfreak359> yeah, I'll agree with that Sooner [20:13] <mammaprince> BUS [20:13] <cloudpic> If he is mentally ill... [20:13] <DumbleDebbie> I think once a wizard chooses to split they're soul they are past the point of no return [20:13] <Expelliarmas> he found out he had power, and then used it to inflict pain and control on others [20:13] <mammaprince> But he would have beenso since birth [20:13] <cloudpic> I wonder [20:13] <adamgryff> Anyone who likes to kill people is mentally ill [20:13] <SoonerGryffindor> definitely no hugs... its the bus for him [20:13] <marielle> Well he was different since bith! [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> good point Adam [20:14] <cloudpic> Yes, adamgryff [20:14] <amyluhu> yeah he could have used his power to play with the other kids. but instead he used it for evil [20:14] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not sure LV actually enjoys killing people. I think he's practically indifferent to what murder means. [20:14] <mammaprince> He was always happy to be alone even as a baby [20:14] <MinervasPetCat> cloudpic he has been given opportunities by dumbledore. offers of help. he could have done something to help himself before he went completely mad [20:14] <Expelliarmas> he might be mentally ill, but he knows the differency between right and wrong [20:14] <Aislinn> I agree Mr M [20:14] <fawkes28> yes, he does, expie [20:14] <DumbleDebbie> right Expe, b/c he hid when he did wrong [20:14] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, and knowing the difference makes him culpable [20:14] <Expelliarmas> I think he does enjoy it MrM [20:14] <Aislinn> he sees people as objects to aid him or get in his way [20:14] <marielle> I agree Mr M, he seems indifferent he does it, because that is teh best cause of action for his need [20:15] <amyluhu> the prob is he doesn't care about right and wrong [20:15] <stewiegryf> If he knows the difference and he still does it, mental illness is no excuse. [20:15] <Aislinn> his view of people has nothing to do with a human connection [20:15] <MrMcGonagall> No one's life matters to him but his own. Very scary. [20:15] <adamgryff> I think he enjoys it along with torturing and killing of animals.Why else would he have done it [20:15] <amyluhu> exactly stew [20:15] <Whisperwing> How can you be happy to be alone when you're a sadist that enjoys inflicting pain? [20:15] <Expelliarmas> he has no human connection [20:15] <Aislinn> exactly [20:15] <fawkes28> exactly adam [20:15] <futureweasley> Rufus Scrimgeour–the current Minister for/of Magic. He picks up where Fudge leaves off and wants Harry to serve as a sort of Ministry mascot. Stan Shunpike and other innocents sit in jail as suspected DEs. Do you hate this character? Why? [20:15] <Expelliarmas> he's apart from the everyday human experience and definitely wants to be much more than human [20:15] <marielle> I don't thinge he was always like that thought, i think in the begining he was enjoying it, but well the novelty was gone and now do it because it has to be done. [20:16] *** Mullen has joined #lounge [20:16] <MrMcGonagall> I don't hate him, but I don't like him. I really don't like him. [20:16] <futureweasley> hi mullen [20:16] <SoonerGryffindor> I cant stand the way he used Percy [20:16] <amyluhu> i just think he is acting like an idiot [20:16] <fawkes28> i don't like scrimegeour because he is sneaky [20:16] <mammaprince> Dont like Rufus [20:16] <cloudpic> Umm....don't know enough yet one way or the other [20:16] <fawkes28> hi mullen [20:16] <adamgryff> he needs to keep his little paws away from Harry's business and run the MOM [20:16] <Whisperwing> The fact that he's allowing Stan Shunpike to remain imprisoned makes me think we've traded one devil for another in the Ministry. [20:16] <Mullen> hey guys I finally made it [20:16] <Expelliarmas> a manipulative jerk, i.e., a politician [20:16] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Mullen [20:16] <futureweasley> I think that Scrimgeour is an opportunist, and I don't like that about him [20:16] <harryfreak359> I don't like him, I don't how he treated Harry, he annoys me [20:16] <Aislinn> I don't respect him, for the choices he is making about Stan and trying to enlist Harry for his own purposed [20:16] <harryfreak359> hi mullen [20:16] <DumbleDebbie> hi Mullen [20:16] <amyluhu> sort of like mc claggon [20:16] <adamgryff> hi mullen [20:16] <MinervasPetCat> i don't like him. i don't know if i can say i hate him [20:16] <MrMcGonagall> He's like a gruffer version of Crouch. [20:16] <SoonerGryffindor> He treats people like chess pieces [20:16] <fawkes28> i had hope that he could be better than fudge...but alas no [20:17] <Aislinn> me too fawkes [20:17] <DumbleDebbie> politician [20:17] <Mullen> howdy, Scrimgeour [20:17] <Mullen> ? [20:17] <coach> he doesn't care about people as individuals, simply as pieces of the whole, expendable pieces at that [20:17] <MrMcGonagall> I think he is better than Fudge, but also more dangerous than Fudge. [20:17] <DumbleDebbie> nuff said ;) [20:17] <Aislinn> but another kind of nasty politician instead [20:17] <Whisperwing> Sure, if you like to chew on your chess pieces [20:17] <Expelliarmas> like fudge he puts form over substance; appearances matter more to him [20:17] <adamgryff> he's only out to make the ministry look good and to do that he needs Harry [20:17] <futureweasley> yes MrMcG [20:17] <Aislinn> exactly expie [20:17] <SoonerGryffindor> you would think that he would do better being an auror, but still a politician at heart [20:17] <stewiegryf> He has no sense of other's emotions. He takes the chance to talk to Harry at DD's funeral! How can you like him? [20:17] <fawkes28> he wants power and fame [20:17] <MrMcGonagall> He's more capable at using power, and therefore more capable of abusing it. [20:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he knows emotions more and used that time becuase he thought Harry would be weak there [20:18] <Expelliarmas> he wants to be seen as doing something, rather than actually providing leadership [20:18] <cloudpic> Opportunist, politician... (tries to think of other nasty worlds) [20:18] <futureweasley> with power comes responsiblity...Fudge didn't get that and it was refreshing when they got a MoM that did...but scary at the same time [20:18] <amyluhu> kissing babies [20:18] <stewiegryf> That's even worse, then, sooner. [20:18] <SoonerGryffindor> he's smarter than Fudge, and that might not be a good thing [20:18] <cloudpic> Good point, Expell... he is more of a man of action [20:18] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree Stewie, but I think that's what he was doing [20:18] *** coach has quit [Bye] [20:18] <Expelliarmas> scrimgeour only has the office two minutes and he already seems to love the office more than respect it [20:18] <DumbleDebbie> true Sooner, makes him more dangerous [20:18] *** mammaprince left #lounge [] [20:18] <MrMcGonagall> I rather see him being hindered by the bureaucracy Fudge created. Years of incompetence and red tape to cut through. [20:18] <adamgryff> with power comes corruption [20:19] <cbm> I think that the ministry is so messed up that no one in that job could be effective against Voldemort [20:19] <MrMcGonagall> There's a brutality to Scrimgeour that I don't like. [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> maybe Umbridge could be his personal secretary? That would be pretty good punishment for him [20:19] <Expelliarmas> ultimately, I don't hate him, but we should keep an eye on him [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> ooo, good one [20:19] <Whisperwing> Think he's using Percy still [20:19] <amyluhu> he put stan in jail. how could we like him [20:19] <futureweasley> Horace Slughorn–Harry’s NEWT potions teacher. Lily’s former potions teacher. He runs the Slug Club where he introduces his favorite students–those he thinks will go on to greater things. He fancies himself as a sort of king-maker. He was the former head of Slytherin and gave TR the information he needed as to horcruxes. Did you hate this character? Why? [20:19] <cloudpic> Everyone entering a bureaucracy seems to become... diminished by it except certain rare types like Arthur Weasley and Dumbldedore [20:19] <DumbleDebbie> that's punishment enough WW [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I actually love Sluggy [20:19] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he's pretty cool [20:20] <Aislinn> I like Slughorn [20:20] <amyluhu> i like slug. he was emarassed like maxime but changed [20:20] <cloudpic> Eww... didn't like him... he's a user [20:20] <DumbleDebbie> his social climbing is annoying to me [20:20] <fawkes28> sluggy is fine but he shouldnt have had that little chat with tom [20:20] <Mullen> I think he's creepy [20:20] <DumbleDebbie> talk about using people as chess pieces [20:20] <futureweasley> I don't know what Slughorn's motives are half the time...he's out for himself alone, and I don't like that about him [20:20] <Expelliarmas> I wouldn't want to be around a person like Slughorn; he's a user, though [20:20] <cloudpic> Keeps himself comfortable by using others [20:20] <stewiegryf> I don't hate him..but I don't like him either [20:20] *** Rebekia has joined #lounge [20:20] <Aislinn> he's a little self-involved, but he seems basically decent [20:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Oh he's an opportunist, and probably not the nices of guys in the world, but I really do like him [20:20] <amyluhu> he just got too caught up with chatting with tim [20:20] <MrMcGonagall> I don't hate him, but I don't have a lot of respect for him either. [20:20] <adamgryff> slughorn is not a person I hate, I sometimes wonder about his little group of so called celebreties [20:20] <MinervasPetCat> he's kind of sleazy but in a comically predictable way [20:20] <DumbleDebbie> wb Rebekia [20:20] <futureweasley> king of "creature comforts"...which spells "selfish" to the nth degree [20:21] <cloudpic> I'm with you stewiegryf [20:21] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [20:21] <Rebekia> hi i couldn't put my tarts off anymore. who we on? [20:21] <harryfreak359> I don't mind Slughorn...I don't think I'd really to meet him, but I don't see any really horribleabout him [20:21] <fawkes28> he is definitely not in teaching for the right reasons...it's all about him [20:21] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> When push came to shove, he made the right decsion. And he was very much ashamed for many years of his actions [20:21] <Mullen> At least he's up front with how he uses people [20:21] <harryfreak359> horrible about* [20:21] <amyluhu> he is definitely always thinking about himself [20:21] <Aislinn> but I think he's doing a pretty decent job teaching [20:21] <MrMcGonagall> Some of the things he does disgusts me, but deep down I don't think he's a bad person. [20:21] <DumbleDebbie> only after Hary got him liquored up [20:21] <Aislinn> I agree sooner [20:21] <harryfreak359> I think so too Aislinn [20:21] <futureweasley> I agree Aislinn [20:21] <MinervasPetCat> he's a true slytherin and he puts his own needs first [20:21] <SoonerGryffindor> besides, he doesnt hid who he is like Mullen says [20:21] <amyluhu> he is a good teacher-sounds that way anyway [20:21] <cloudpic> I'm not sure of his actual shame or remorse [20:22] <cloudpic> Good point about that amyluhu... at least of his subject... not so much as a life example [20:22] <Aislinn> he may be positioning himself, but he has also helped other people achieve great things, and that in and of itself is not a bad thing [20:22] <SoonerGryffindor> I think he had bone-deep shame and remorse and that is why it took so much to get the memory [20:22] <stewiegryf> I agree Mullen. i think most of the students can see through is actions [20:22] <Rebekia> Slughorn I think he's...he knows right from wrong..just gets losts in financial gain [20:22] <adamgryff> I think he has his good and bad sides, unfortunately he was the one who told Riddle about Horcruxes so he's still inbetween for me [20:22] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Sooner. [20:22] <fawkes28> yes, he is a good teacher but gets too caught up in what will become of people later in life [20:22] <cloudpic> no....Aislinn, it's not bad [20:22] <amyluhu> agree sooner [20:22] <DumbleDebbie> he made an error in judgement, but then he spent years covering that error with lies, which made things worse [20:22] <cloudpic> But Dumbledore's methods seem more genunine and altruistic [20:23] <Aislinn> true cloudpic [20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> yes, but he was so ashamed and regretful of that Adam.. At least that is the way it seems to me [20:23] <stewiegryf> He made a mistake that he was ashamed of. That's not something that can be held against him too much. [20:23] <Aislinn> but that's the difference between a Slytherin and a Gryffindor [20:23] *** Alexk has joined #lounge [20:23] <DumbleDebbie> wb Alexk [20:23] <cloudpic> Oh! yes, Aislinn<b This post has been edited by Aislinn: Nov 22 2006, 09:50 PM |
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[20:23] <fawkes28> right and he did give the correct memory so we have to give him credit where it is due
[20:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Oh, he's a Slytherin through and throuh, but I think one of the good ones [20:23] <adamgryff> I agree Sooner, thats why he is still in the middle for me [20:23] <amyluhu> agree aislinn [20:24] <Expelliarmas> but you can also say he acts as a bit of a mentor by picking out folks for their talents [20:24] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner [20:24] <futureweasley> Slughorn is out to save his own skin...and even though he produced that memory, he only did so under the influence of a LOT of mead [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> is that as good as a Slytherin gets? [20:24] <Alexk> i agree fw [20:24] <Aislinn> yes, I think he's basically a good person, he just has flaws, like anyone does [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> but I think its because he was so ashamed future [20:24] <futureweasley> he didn't do that voluntarily...he didn't really "want" to help Harry [20:24] <SoonerGryffindor> not sure Debbie, but I think he s a good one [20:24] <Aislinn> I agree sooner [20:24] <DumbleDebbie> right FW, Harry had to get him drunk [20:24] <marielle> He is not acting like a mentor he is building himself some futur well place connection [20:24] <amyluhu> but he didn't run away after he helped harry future [20:25] <futureweasley> but DD had told Slug how important the memory was...that should have been enough for him to give it up...no matter how self-incriminating it was [20:25] <stewiegryf> i think he wanted to help Harry, he just didn't want to help him in *that* particular way [20:25] <amyluhu> he stayed and did what mcg told him to do [20:25] <SoonerGryffindor> he didnt help the order fight and he didnt help the DE's. I think he's going to have to choose a side next book [20:25] <MinervasPetCat> i think slughorn was too afraid to give up that memory because of how it made him look [20:25] <Alexk> but also, i imagine it would be hard to give up a memory of tom, if tom found out, he might come after slughorn [20:25] <futureweasley> Salazar Slytherin–one of the four founders. The pure blood lunacy can likely be laid at his doorstep. He left the Chamber of Secrets and its basilisk for a future heir to carry out his purification of Hogwarts. Did you hate this twisted character? Why? [20:25] <Alexk> *Voldy [20:25] <marielle> I agree Sonner, he will need to choose a side [20:25] <cloudpic> Yes, MinervasPetCat... [20:25] *** Tanaqui has joined #lounge [20:26] <harryfreak359> I can't really judge him [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> blech [20:26] <cloudpic> Hard to know [20:26] *** Shard has quit [Bye] [20:26] <Expelliarmas> Hello, Tanaqui [20:26] <Alexk> we don't really know him [20:26] <stewiegryf> I don't know if we know enough about him to decide [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> intolerant jerk [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> hey tanaqui [20:26] <harryfreak359> but the part of him I know, I dislike [20:26] <cloudpic> I don't like his prejudice [20:26] <amyluhu> i don't hate him. But it just seems l;ike all of the evil goes back to him [20:26] <Tanaqui> hi all [20:26] <cloudpic> But he seemed to want to protect what he valued and knew [20:26] <amyluhu> hi tan [20:26] <Expelliarmas> We do know his legacy of hatred and bias though [20:26] <cloudpic> From the persecution of witches [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> he built the CoS and left a basalisk there for the expressed job of murdering off the mud-bloods [20:26] <adamgryff> anyone who leaves a huge sanke to kill muggles is evil and he was very prejudice [20:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I still would like to know why he had the prejudice [20:26] <amyluhu> true dd [20:26] <Alexk> he was definitely power-loving like lv, he was trying to run hogwarts under his rules [20:26] <Tanaqui> who are we currently hating? [20:26] <DumbleDebbie> I don't care why Sooner [20:26] <MrMcGonagall> It's hard to know exactly what SS was like. He seems pretty twisted, though. But then, he was Gryffindor's best friend at one point. [20:26] <fawkes28> i really want to know more about slytherin we dont really know the whole story [20:27] <Expelliarmas> Salazar Slytherin [20:27] <cloudpic> Fear possibly? Maybe some of his family had been burned at the stake? [20:27] <Alexk> or at least the students that were let in [20:27] <SoonerGryffindor> well, it might explain why... not that it should excuse him, but I like to know people's motivations for what they do [20:27] <fawkes28> i love all the history and would love to be able to read more on the founders [20:27] <Tanaqui> ah.... [20:27] <amyluhu> maybe godric grif was a muggleborn and he had a falling out with him sooner [20:27] <Expelliarmas> witches and wizards couldn't be burned at the stake though [20:27] <DumbleDebbie> she wants more backstory smile [20:27] <MinervasPetCat> i think slytherin was misguided. maybe influenced by the darker side of things. after all he could carry on conversations with serpents who are at least in literature most often portrayed as evil [20:27] <adamgryff> If he is any indication of his future family tree there is not much to like [20:27] <Whisperwing> Ultraman Nexus smile balls, anyone? [20:27] <futureweasley> the beginning of mental illness in that family started with Salazar [20:28] <fawkes28> yes i do! [20:28] <DumbleDebbie> very likely FW [20:28] <amyluhu> lol future [20:28] <MrMcGonagall> Like a lot of the people in his house, I think Slytherin had a real temper when he didn't get things his way. [20:28] <DumbleDebbie> and the inbreeding concentrated it [20:28] <Alexk> yes mpc [20:28] <Whisperwing> They kind of look like multi-colored Jack Skellington faces, actually [20:28] <Alexk> snakes are portrayed as evil a lot of the time [20:28] <stewiegryf> quite the trait to pass down, eh future? [20:28] <cloudpic> And distorted it too [20:28] <MrMcGonagall> Screw you guys, I'm going home. [20:28] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Mr M [20:28] <MrMcGonagall> That was Slytherin speaking. [20:28] <Alexk> but i don't like to believe that the snake in the zoo was evil smile I liked him [20:28] <DumbleDebbie> ugh! for a second there I thouthg YOU were saying that Mr M [20:29] <amyluhu> bye mr m [20:29] <futureweasley> lol Cartman? [20:29] <cloudpic> Yeah... [20:29] * DumbleDebbie faints from the shock [20:29] <Whisperwing> Thankssss, amigo [20:29] <MinervasPetCat> yes i agree alex the snake in the zoo just wanted to go home smile [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> lol. that was such a Cartman line [20:29] <Aislinn> I think that he had more of a point about the whole pure blood thingduring his era in history than is true for the current day wizards [20:29] * cloudpic can now pick up her jaw LOL [20:29] <MrMcGonagall> Exactly, fw and Sooner. [20:29] <fawkes28> i feel like we are missing a big chunk of info from his past that will be important in te 7th book [20:29] <Alexk> i agree aislinn [20:29] <cloudpic> Yes, Aislinn... that's what I thought too [20:29] <amyluhu> agree fawkes [20:29] <Aislinn> witchcraft was feared greatly in the dark ages, and I bet there was a lot of persecution going on [20:29] <SoonerGryffindor> exactly. Which is why I would love to know why he felt that way [20:30] <fawkes28> he was friends with godric...he can't be all bad [20:30] <amyluhu> there was [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> how were they persecuted if buring tickles? [20:30] <futureweasley> Rita Skeeter–an Animagi “journalist” who used her beetle form to buzz about and get inside scoops. Her stories made Harry look like a lunatic and Hermione like a jezebel. Hermione caught her and forced her to write Harry’s story without any embellishments in OotP. Did you hate this insect? Why? [20:30] <amyluhu> but they had a falling out [20:30] <MrMcGonagall> I think he sort of went bad. [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> *burning [20:30] <Alexk> yaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> Start revvving up the bus [20:30] <Alexk> rita! [20:30] <Aislinn> that was only one way of torturing them, debbie [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> she's awful! [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> lying schemeing grrrr [20:30] <MrMcGonagall> Her animagus should have been a cockroach. [20:30] <adamgryff> I think she needs to get her fact straight [20:30] <amyluhu> annoying to the point that i would drive the bus [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [20:30] <DumbleDebbie> lol Mr M [20:30] <Alexk> she's so funny! laugh i love her [20:30] <SoonerGryffindor> *squish* [20:30] <MinervasPetCat> she's deliciously naughty. i loved her in the movie played by omg i can't remember her name [20:30] <Expelliarmas> oh a buzzing insect [20:31] <Alexk> in the movie at least [20:31] <MrMcGonagall> Splat, went Rita on the windshield. [20:31] <futureweasley> when Rita painted Hermione to be a charlatan, I knew that there was NOTHING that could redeem her in my eyes [20:31] <MrMcGonagall> Miranda Richardson. Awesome. [20:31] <Aislinn> she is funny, and definitely represents the worst kind of journalist [20:31] <stewiegryf> Miranda Richardson [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> haha future [20:31] <Alexk> she's so tricky, clever [20:31] <fawkes28> true, aislinn [20:31] <Rebekia> I don't hate rita...she should've been a tic instead of a beetle [20:31] <futureweasley> Ms. Richardson was amazing [20:31] <marielle> She is awful but i like her, she is funny knowledgeable and intelligent [20:31] <amyluhu> so much different than slug. he propelled others to get what he wanted. She tears them down to get what she wants [20:31] <cloudpic> I was never happier with Hermione than when I learned she'd bottled the bug [20:31] <adamgryff> the only redeeming quality is that she wrote the article in Quibbler that was the truth for once [20:31] <Alexk> oh, yes she definitely is [20:31] <DumbleDebbie> ewww, boring under your skin [20:31] <harryfreak359> Well I don't hate her, because she helped a lot in OotP with Umbridge, and anyone who gives Umbridge trouble has some good qualities [20:31] <DumbleDebbie> and spreading disease [20:31] <SoonerGryffindor> too bad Rita didnt focus her attention on Fudge. Think of the material she could have had [20:31] <fawkes28> hermione would drive the bus for you, mr. m [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> no kidding Sooner [20:32] <Expelliarmas> that was a great scene, cloudpic, and when she used her to write harry's story in OOTP [20:32] <MrMcGonagall> Well, she was blackmailed, Adam. Not exactly doing it out of the goodness of her heart. [20:32] <futureweasley> have you guys seen Melissa Anelli dressed as Rita Skeeter? It's hilarious...Warner Brothers missed out on another fine candidate for the role [20:32] <adamgryff> I wondered that too, fudge would have been much more interesting [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> good point adam, about the quibbler [20:32] <Alexk> yes, but didn't they force her? (clouded mind) [20:32] <adamgryff> true, Mr. M [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> no I haven't seen that FW [20:32] <MrMcGonagall> No one could top Miranda Richardson. I thought she was even better than I imagined, and that's saying a lot. [20:32] <SoonerGryffindor> Okay, I know it was unethical of Hermione to do that to Rita, but I loved it [20:32] <stewiegryf> lol future! Let's just hope Melissa is a better journalist than Rita [20:32] <Expelliarmas> of course they forced her! that's what made it so great! [20:32] <Tanaqui> rita....hm....it seems that she became the hated beetle because of fame--people loved how she always had the scoop...she also had magic doing the writing for her [20:32] <DumbleDebbie> blackmail Alexk I think is how they got her to do it [20:32] <harryfreak359> Yeah, same her MrM [20:32] <Alexk> didn't hermione threaten to keep her in the jar forever [20:32] <futureweasley> I just think Rita is loathesome [20:32] <MinervasPetCat> she was mr. mcg. she was great [20:32] <Alexk> exactly [20:33] <Expelliarmas> Rita could have said no to doing the article [20:33] <SoonerGryffindor> good point Expie, she could have [20:33] <adamgryff> rita made the right choice in wanting to continue her career by doing the article [20:33] <MrMcGonagall> Yeah, expie, if she wanted to get busted by the Ministry for being an unregistered animagus. [20:33] <Mullen> They just threatened to expose her [20:33] <futureweasley> Rita's "fate worse than death" would be having Percy Weasley as her "fact checker" before he stories could print [20:33] <amyluhu> the ministry was in control of the daily prophet so rita wouldn't go against it if she wanted to [20:33] <DumbleDebbie> lol [20:33] <harryfreak359> lol [20:33] <Expelliarmas> still she could have said no; but she wanted to do the story so desperately [20:33] <Alexk> lol [20:33] <adamgryff> lol [20:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I hope she made some money off of the first honest story she did [20:34] <Tanaqui> she's like the bully that longs to be popular--doing whatever it takes to look good [20:34] <marielle> Rita wasn't crazy she knew by writteing that acrticle that she would be wrtitting the truth and, by the same way knew that ecentuallt she would be able to write in eth Daily prophete, once the real truth would be known, it served her and Hermione's cause [20:34] *** Whisperwing has quit [Bye] [20:34] <MrMcGonagall> She wanted to do the story her way, but fortunately Hermione intervened. [20:34] <harryfreak359> lol, I don't think she did [20:34] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think so Sooner [20:34] <amyluhu> yay hermi [20:34] <DumbleDebbie> I'm pretty sure Luna said her dad didn't pay for stories [20:34] <futureweasley> Zacharias Smith–a Hufflepuff (who’s not very nice). He plays chaser for the Hufflepuff and seems a poor sport. He was quite skeptical of Harry at the Hog’s Head and went out of his way to be annoying in OotP and HBP. Ginny took him out in HBP. Did you hate this twit? Why? [20:34] <amyluhu> i think your right dd [20:34] <DumbleDebbie> nah, I don't hate him [20:35] <Aislinn> he is a twit [20:35] <harryfreak359> I hate him...he annoys me [20:35] <MinervasPetCat> zacharias grrr! now he's a git [20:35] <DumbleDebbie> he's annoying, but I don't hate him [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> He so needs to go [20:35] <fawkes28> he is an annoying git [20:35] <adamgryff> yeah, for Ginny but I don't hate him [20:35] <MrMcGonagall> Go Ginny! No Knight Bus needed. [20:35] <harryfreak359> I don't like people who annoy me [20:35] <amyluhu> tie him and mcclagon together and start the bus [20:35] <Alexk> that twix! [20:35] <MinervasPetCat> i was hoping the twins would have a go at him [20:35] <Alexk> *twit [20:35] <stewiegryf> he came around in the end. He's not all bad. [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> It makes me so mad when people say that Ginny was uncalled for for doing that [20:35] <cloudpic> Yeah.. but it sort of points up that within every house there are degrees of "goodness" and "badness" [20:35] <harryfreak359> Me too Sooner! [20:35] <amyluhu> yes stewie but he probably is still annoying [20:35] <MinervasPetCat> how did he get sorted to hufflepuff? i could never figure that out [20:35] <SoonerGryffindor> I was cheering her on [20:36] <futureweasley> what did Ginny do? Run into him with her broom, right? [20:36] <Expelliarmas> oh Ginny was great for that one [20:36] <cloudpic> No House has a exclusive claim on "right" or "wrong" [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> yes [20:36] <adamgryff> he deserved what he got [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> cheering Ginny on is a good thing smile [20:36] <harryfreak359> Me as well....I would have done the same to him [20:36] <stewiegryf> Ture, but that's no reason to hate someone, just because they are annoying [20:36] <harryfreak359> and the bat-bogey hex on the train, don't forget that! [20:36] <MrMcGonagall> I'm sure he's related to the Hufflepuff-Smiths of HBP fame. [20:36] <Expelliarmas> he likely got into Hufflepuff as a possible heir of Hufflepuff herself [20:36] <amyluhu> not hate just annoyed [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet he is Mr M [20:36] <MinervasPetCat> oh good point mr. mcg [20:36] <futureweasley> I think that unabashed stupidity is what Smith suffers from...end of story [20:36] <SoonerGryffindor> and I bet that is the only reason he is in that house [20:36] <DumbleDebbie> yeah I thought that too Mr M [20:36] <MrMcGonagall> He's such a snot. [20:36] <harryfreak359> Probably [20:37] <harryfreak359> snot, he is [20:37] <Expelliarmas> not stupidity, but perhaps a twinge of jealousy? [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> snot is a good word for him [20:37] <futureweasley> Severus Snape–ol’ greaseball with the yellow teeth, sallow skin, and hook nose. The overgrown bat bullies Neville mercilessly. He tries to bully Harry unsuccessfully. No one knows where his loyalties lie or whether he actually murdered Dumbledore. Some love him, some despise him. Which one are you and why? [20:37] <harryfreak359> I think that he should only just being scared by the bus [20:37] <SoonerGryffindor> AAAARGh [20:37] <fawkes28> hehe [20:37] <harryfreak359> Love him!!!!! [20:37] <cbm> Jo says he is "a deeply horrible person." That is good enough for me. So HATE! [20:37] <MinervasPetCat> i love his mind [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> he bullies children, that makes me angry [20:37] <Expelliarmas> Ohhhhhh! I Hate this goon [20:37] <amyluhu> love snape [20:37] <fawkes28> mr. m, you may not use the bus [20:37] * futureweasley tapes her mouth shut for the next 5 minutes [20:37] <Aislinn> Now here we have a truly despicable soul [20:37] <Alexk> me too minerva [20:37] <adamgryff> I don't have a opinion will let the girls fight it out [20:37] * SoonerGryffindor stand in frnt of Snape [20:37] <cloudpic> Oh.... I hate the way he treats the students in his classes. [20:37] * Expelliarmas doesn't think anyone hereis surprised [20:37] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW :x [20:38] * fawkes28 joins hands with sooner [20:38] <stewiegryf> Even though he may be in league with the good side, I still don't like him at all [20:38] <Alexk> i believe he is dispicable, but not evil [20:38] * harryfreak359 joines hands with Fawkes [20:38] <marielle> MMMM love the character but not the individual! LOL [20:38] <Tanaqui> well, after my recent rereading, i've concluded i don't like snape...i was on the fence for a long time [20:38] <Expelliarmas> the way he treats poor Neville! [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> lets all form a human shield so he cant get run over [20:38] <MrMcGonagall> As with Draco and Peter, I choose to keep the bus in park until the end of Book 7. [20:38] <amyluhu> i think he followed dumbledore's orders to a tee. and we will find out that he was extremely strong in doing what he did [20:38] <Aislinn> he is just awful to the kids, and the way he treats Neville in particular just makes me think he is detestable [20:38] <futureweasley> lol MrMcG [20:38] <stewiegryf> Good call MrM. [20:38] <MrMcGonagall> Although he's a greasy git who at least deserves to have his foot run over. [20:38] <harryfreak359> Good idea Mr.M [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> good call Mr M [20:38] <cbm> I think he is loyal to himself. [20:38] <adamgryff> yes Mr. M [20:38] <Alexk> horrible people can be on the good side [20:38] <Tanaqui> i don't understand why he's so horrible in class [20:38] <MinervasPetCat> i think he's caustic and unnecessarily so most times, and he also plays favs but when he's boiled down to bare bones, i think he does the right thing [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> he obviously still has a part to play, so we can't run over him yet [20:38] <cloudpic> Good plan, Mr.McG. [20:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I really didnt want to have to stand in front of the bus [20:38] <Aislinn> at least a foot, Mr M [20:38] <DumbleDebbie> but he's still a big bully [20:38] <Mullen> I'm with you cbm [20:39] <Mullen> loyal to himself [20:39] *** jade_and_diamond_fire has quit [Bye] [20:39] <Expelliarmas> foot, knees, knee caps, arms, chest, ... [20:39] <Aislinn> yes he is, debbie, a big bully [20:39] <fawkes28> ok i will say that snape does not always make the best choices, but that doesn't automatically make him bad [20:39] <cloudpic> But a backfire in his direction for his unkindness would be appropriate [20:39] <amyluhu> true fawkes [20:39] <futureweasley> how did this guy get a job as a teacher? there is really no excuse, IMO, to let a git like that teach. He's the most horrible teacher I've ever imagined (sorry, I couldn't resist) [20:39] <Expelliarmas> nice try there, fawkes [20:39] <Alexk> exactly fawkes [20:39] <MrMcGonagall> We'll just keep his head alive, Expie, and hang it in the bus! Haha! [20:39] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [20:39] <Tanaqui> that's what i'm wondering, too, fw [20:39] <cbm> Jo uses words like horrible and sadistic to describe him, so I still hate him [20:39] <Aislinn> it makes him the deeply horrible person Jo has herself said he is, fawkes [20:39] <MinervasPetCat> the only thing that i can't fit is he seems to be very logical thinker with the exception of a few quirky things like harry and hermione [20:39] <SoonerGryffindor> I am in the camp that loves, rather than despises him because I think he wants LV to go down [20:39] <Expelliarmas> shrink his head, he can have a new job [20:39] <harryfreak359> I think that he's a good teacher [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> for all we know, he may have a "Gollum" role to play in the end [20:40] * fawkes28 pushes the bus away from snape with her super strength [20:40] <futureweasley> it's fine and good if DD "trusts" him, but to employ him? c'mon!! [20:40] <Aislinn> it doesn't make him a good person, though, sooner [20:40] <Expelliarmas> I think he will support whomever he thinks is winning the war [20:40] <amyluhu> agree sooner [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> Now I'm not saying I want him to teach my kids anytime soon..... but he's on the right side [20:40] <stewiegryf> but you have to admit sooner, that he is not pleasant at all [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I admit that [20:40] <fawkes28> yes, aislinn, but it doesnt make him a bad person either [20:40] <Alexk> I love Snape's character, stuck up and dignified, at least before Harry sees the memory, laugh [20:40] <marielle> I agree Sonner he want Lv to die like most of wizards [20:40] <SoonerGryffindor> but that's one of the things I love about his character [20:40] <DumbleDebbie> but he can be working for the right side and still not be intrinsically "good" [20:40] <stewiegryf> then i think we're in agreement [20:41] <Aislinn> he is a nasty, bitter, evil git [20:41] <futureweasley> lol [20:41] <futureweasley> go Aislinn! [20:41] <MinervasPetCat> both snape and mcgonagall intimidate students but in different ways. i think they command respect. i think mcgonagall is an effective teacher and snape is to a certain degree. he just needs to work on his biases [20:41] <adamgryff> lol [20:41] <harryfreak359> Really Sooner, I'd love to have him as a teacher, mostly because I would find the whole thing amusing...sure I'd probably end up in detention. [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I just think that Snape is an awesome piece of work [20:41] <harryfreak359> I agree [20:41] <Mullen> great as a character, not as a person [20:41] <Aislinn> McGonagall is always fair to her students minerva - she commands respect [20:41] <harryfreak359> Very interesting character [20:41] <Expelliarmas> he's a coward! he takes his hatrid of James out on Harry; but whom does he despise to be so nasty to Neville [20:41] <Aislinn> that is completely different [20:41] <SoonerGryffindor> hehehehe... detention with Snape. Stand in line [20:41] <stewiegryf> McGonagall is strict, but fair. Snape is just mean down to the bone. [20:41] <amyluhu> i agree sooner. and i think he is a vampire [20:41] <MrMcGonagall> I think I finally understand Sooner's affection for Snape as a character. What a relief! [20:41] <DumbleDebbie> leave out the "awesome" and you've got it smile [20:41] <fawkes28> snape is not a coward [20:41] <futureweasley> amy, Jo shot that down [20:42] <futureweasley> Snape isn't a vampire [20:42] <Tanaqui> but why is he horrible in class? stuck on himself? bitter about life? a snob? [20:42] <MinervasPetCat> yes, this is where they are different but i think both command respect [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> Snape is a bully therefore he is a coard [20:42] <amyluhu> when did she? [20:42] <DumbleDebbie> *coward [20:42] <MrMcGonagall> He just looks like one. [20:42] <Aislinn> all of those things, tanaqui [20:42] <harryfreak359> *sigh* [20:42] <futureweasley> it's on her website, I think. If I find it, I will PM you [20:42] <Expelliarmas> yes he is; what he does to Neville? using his position of authority to abuse students? yea, that's cowardly [20:42] <cloudpic> I'd be afraid to call him coward. [20:42] <amyluhu> good. i have never seen it [20:42] <SoonerGryffindor> he is NOT a coward laugh [20:42] <Tanaqui> goodness, then he'd better take a sabbatical [20:42] <fawkes28> we dont know the whole story and therefore cannot call him a coward [20:42] <MinervasPetCat> i used to think he was a coward until hbp and now i know he's not [20:42] <Expelliarmas> yes he is Sooner [20:43] <fawkes28> he is going to save the day in the 7th book [20:43] <harryfreak359> there ya go Sooner, I'll back you up on that one [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> not in some things Sooner, but he is in how he bullies children [20:43] <Aislinn> bullies are usually cowards, and he is a big bully [20:43] <harryfreak359> I agree Fawkes!!! [20:43] <fawkes28> he was teaching harry at the last moments [20:43] <amyluhu> agree fawkes [20:43] <MrMcGonagall> I think it's a good idea to leave the bus in park. The U's are coming up though, so I'm going to rev up the engine. [20:43] <futureweasley> Professor Trelawney–Harry’s Divination teacher. She’s made two real prophecies, both having to do with LV. Dumbledore hired her for her own protection after she made the first prediction. She uses Harry as an object and we don’t know whether she can “see” anything or not. Do you hate this character or pity her? Why? [20:43] <cbm> Fawkes, I think he was taunting harry [20:43] <fawkes28> usually not always [20:43] * SoonerGryffindor grabs the keys [20:43] <Expelliarmas> can't explain his bullying at all of Neville though, can we? [20:43] *** Shard has joined #lounge [20:43] <Alexk> if he has done all he's done to protect dd, he's not a coward [20:43] <DumbleDebbie> I think the reason he's so toucy about being called a coward is because deep downhe knows he has been one [20:43] <amyluhu> she is just crazy [20:43] <Alexk> if he's evil, yes he is a coward [20:43] <Shard> Snape needs to die [20:43] <cbm> all of this aout snape can be read 2 ways [20:43] <adamgryff> I don't hate her she's just a little nuts [20:43] <harryfreak359> Aww....I like Trelawney,even if she is a fraud [20:43] <Mullen> I love her character to [20:44] <futureweasley> I used to despise Trelawney...but I'm coming around on her...I don't think she's the fraud that I once did [20:44] <Shard> He can help Harry win but I still want Snape to die [20:44] <Aislinn> i agreee debbie [20:44] <harryfreak359> I feel so sorry for her [20:44] <Tanaqui> pity.... [20:44] <stewiegryf> i agree hf. [20:44] <MrMcGonagall> She is the ultimate character I love to hate. [20:44] <DumbleDebbie> nah, I think Trelawnye is great comic relief [20:44] <Mullen> me too fw, she's growing on me [20:44] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Shard. We are on Trelawney now [20:44] <fawkes28> i know, cbm, which is why he is so much fun [20:44] <Shard> Ok [20:44] *** Shard has quit [Bye] [20:44] <MinervasPetCat> i agree dumbledebbie [20:44] <Expelliarmas> I don't hate Trelawney, I think she tries to hard [20:44] <MrMcGonagall> Can't respect her, can't like her, but how she makes me laugh! [20:44] <harryfreak359> Yes, I think so.. [20:44] <adamgryff> I did feel for her as a character in the OOP because of Umbridge tossing her out [20:44] <Aislinn> trelawney is great comic relief, Iagree [20:45] <futureweasley> lol MrMcG [20:45] <Alexk> i think trelawney's holding back her powers [20:45] <fawkes28> i did too, adam [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> yeah poor thing [20:45] <Alexk> on purpose [20:45] <Expelliarmas> she does "see" but she embellishes so much she misses the true meaning of what she's seeing [20:45] <Alexk> she fears for her life [20:45] <Rebekia> why hate trelawney... [20:45] <futureweasley> I think that she's so escentric that she's "misunderstood" [20:45] <Alexk> i'd be a drunk too most likely in her situation [20:45] <MinervasPetCat> maybe alex. i always felt there was more to her and that dumble had to protect her for more than the prophecies [20:45] <adamgryff> I think she is hiding more secrets that even she's not aware of [20:45] <DumbleDebbie> she doesn't know she's under threat Alexk [20:45] <Rebekia> she's just misguided with her gifts and drinks too much. [20:45] <amyluhu> even hermione didn';t hate her. she was just exasperated with her [20:45] <cloudpic> I suspect she has terrible self doubt [20:45] <Expelliarmas> of course, she's also attending awa [alcoholic witches anonymous] and that's interfering with her abilities [20:46] <Rebekia> exactly cloud [20:46] <Tanaqui> i do think trelawney hasn't been trained very well...it's like dumbledore brought her to hogwarts, she went into her tower and has been cooped up there without much help from the 'outside' [20:46] <Alexk> yes debbie, [20:46] <Alexk> true [20:46] <Expelliarmas> it doesn't help that she spends so much time deliberately isolated from everyone else [20:46] <cloudpic> She has this famous ancestor.. but can't live up to that standard [20:46] <futureweasley> She is a pessimest by nature [20:46] <cloudpic> Fearful [20:46] <Rebekia> yeah Tan! That's exactly along the same lines of a post i made on her. Shes got the gift but never knew how to weild it [20:46] <amyluhu> true fw [20:47] <futureweasley> right Expie...she is a loner, a rebel [20:47] <Aislinn> Only 15 minutes left, everyone! This has been a great chat! I want to remind you all that this transcript can be found at the Corner Booth Forum http://www.leakylounge.com/Corner-Booth-f184.html. Don't forget to vote in the latest poll for the next WWW chat [20:47] <adamgryff> she doesn't want to appear to be helped in any way, wants to be locked up by herself, sounds so familiar [20:47] <Tanaqui> and some of it may be her own fault--i mean, she seems to enjoy being a recluse [20:47] <harryfreak359> oh already?! [20:47] <DumbleDebbie> rebel without a clue FW wink [20:47] <Alexk> but the way she's always in emotional shock, she must be afraid of something wink [20:47] <futureweasley> lol Debbie...exactly [20:47] <stewiegryf> lol Debbie [20:47] <harryfreak359> yep Debbie [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> *cue in creepy music* [20:47] <harryfreak359> hahaha [20:47] <Expelliarmas> I think she's alone because she's afraid of being around the others, but I don't think her a rebel [20:47] <futureweasley> what's that I hear? the Knight Bus engine revving up?! [20:47] <futureweasley> Delores Umbridge–Ministry employee and DADA teacher. She’s a taste for pink, speaks in a simpering little girl voice, and uses “hem hem” as her catch phrase. McGonagall can’t stand her. She sadistically made Harry use a quill which cut into his hand so he had to write his lines in his own blood. Do you hate this miserable old cow? Did you cheer when Peeves chased her out of Hogwarts? Why? [20:47] <SoonerGryffindor> oh yes [20:48] <amyluhu> yes [20:48] <fawkes28> go bus go! [20:48] <adamgryff> I agree expie [20:48] <Rebekia> EVIL!!!!!!! [20:48] <harryfreak359> HATE!!! [20:48] <adamgryff> go bus go!!!! [20:48] <stewiegryf> Everyone gets a turn driving the Bus! [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> get her Mr M! [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> put that sucker in overdrive Mr M!!!!!!!1 [20:48] <amyluhu> Bad to the bone [20:48] <Expelliarmas> oh me oh my! she is beyond hateful--she's evil [20:48] <adamgryff> I hate her end of story [20:48] * harryfreak359 jumps on bus and starts cheering [20:48] <MinervasPetCat> HATE her [20:48] <Tanaqui> goooooooooo peeves! [20:48] <marielle> I hate hate hate hate her! [20:48] * Alexk hides his hand and zips his mouth [20:48] <fawkes28> evil is the perfect word for her [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> she enjoys torturing children (like that other teacher) [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> burn, baby burn [20:48] <Rebekia> She is soooooo evil and she's evil because she's in the mask of something sweet and kind. ARGH. I cannot stand Umbridge. [20:48] <Aislinn> she is such an evil woman [20:48] *** DMD has joined #lounge [20:48] <Rebekia> I think we've all encountered Umbridge like people [20:48] <MrMcGonagall> I still think she and Winky needs to You may want to change your color Fawkes, - I I'm gunning for anything in pink. [20:48] <cloudpic> O, she is so awful! Gooooo Mr. McG! [20:48] <SoonerGryffindor> hey dmd [20:48] <amyluhu> she is so evil [20:48] <futureweasley> ok, I have to play devil's advocate on this one [20:48] <DumbleDebbie> hi DMD!!! [20:48] <fawkes28> hi DMD smile [20:48] <futureweasley> and hi DMD!! [20:48] <harryfreak359> hi DMD!!!!! [20:49] <DMD> hi guys [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL [20:49] <adamgryff> hi dmd [20:49] <Alexk> hi dmd [20:49] <fawkes28> oh no [20:49] <Rebekia> DMD--just in time biggrin [20:49] <stewiegryf> I think she should be smashed in between two Knight Buses....is that wrong? [20:49] <Expelliarmas> setting dementors on Harry? where on earth did she come up with that evil pen? Bet she bought it at Borgin and Burkes [20:49] <Aislinn> anyone who would choose to punish people with a pen like that is pure evil [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> here it comes! The avatar of death! [20:49] * fawkes28 jumps on the bus so she doesnt get run over [20:49] <Rebekia> So no one Loves Umbridge?!?! [20:49] <SoonerGryffindor> no, its not wrong Stewie [20:49] <Rebekia> So shocking ;) [20:49] <adamgryff> she is worse than some of the DE's it's time to get rid of her [20:49] <DMD> nasty piece of work [20:49] <Expelliarmas> I think that's pretty universal, Rebekia [20:49] <fawkes28> no umbridge = bad [20:49] <Tanaqui> um...filch may love her [20:49] <amyluhu> how could a teacher give a punishment like she did [20:49] <Aislinn> and she sees herself as both the purveyor of rules and justice, but at the same time totally above the law herself [20:49] <futureweasley> Delores wants order, and she wants structure, and she truly believes that waht she's doing is right and for the greater good of the Wizarding Community [20:49] <Expelliarmas> she wanted to use crucio on Harry [20:49] <Alexk> i don't believe she's pure evil, she's also 98.9% body fat [20:50] <cbm> She deserves to be in prison right next to Lucius [20:50] <DMD> rubbish [20:50] <SoonerGryffindor> she tried to crucio Harry [20:50] <futureweasley> and for that, I actually applaud her [20:50] <Expelliarmas> and was actually enjoying the thought of it [20:50] * MrMcGonagall takes the Knight Bus screeching around the corner and heads straight for the toad-like blotch of pink in the road. [20:50] <fawkes28> and made him bleed [20:50] <Rebekia> FW--but does order mean torture and possible death of minors? [20:50] <Aislinn> and that allows her to ignore the laws of the wizarding world, FW? [20:50] <amyluhu> yes but she is so wrong future., too bad she can't see it [20:50] * SoonerGryffindor is now taking future to St Mungos [20:50] <harryfreak359> She wants power Future [20:50] <stewiegryf> No future, she wanted power to impose *her* order, structure, etc. on the community [20:50] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [20:50] <fawkes28> and he makes contact with the pink!! [20:50] <Aislinn> why is she the final arbiter of what rules are to be followed? [20:50] <Alexk> -in her head [20:50] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [20:50] <MrMcGonagall> Actually Future, that's why I've always thought that Umbridge is a Hufflepuff gone bad. [20:50] <Tanaqui> okay, i agree with part of what you said, fw--*she* believes what she's doing is right [20:50] <DMD> future, you don't like in DD and you can't like it in Umbridge [20:50] <Expelliarmas> to her it does, Rebekia--if you do not obey then you must be eliminated [20:50] <fawkes28> she makes herself the law [20:50] * harryfreak359 thinks that sooner should hurry up, somethings quite lucky [20:51] <adamgryff> don't worry future I know the way out of St. Mungos now [20:51] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL-- Hufflepuff gone bad laugh [20:51] <harryfreak359> lucky???? [20:51] *** Poet has joined #lounge [20:51] <futureweasley> she has conviction, and she dug her leels in and did what she believed right by any means necessary [20:51] <Tanaqui> but, her position and power got to her head and made her forget her ideals [20:51] <harryfreak359> what the heck did I mean there??? [20:51] <fawkes28> hi poet! [20:51] <Aislinn> especially given that she has such destructive and evil values [20:51] <adamgryff> hi poet [20:51] <futureweasley> *heels [20:51] <harryfreak359> hi poet! [20:51] *** cloudpic has joined #lounge [20:51] <Poet> trouble getting on, but wanted to come in anyways... [20:51] <Alexk> hi poet [20:51] <Aislinn> I think she is the most dangerous kind of person in a position of power [20:51] <DumbleDebbie> but lots of people here will excuse child torture from Snape and not from Umbridge [20:51] <Rebekia> I don't know. I would agree if it wasnt HER makign all the rules for what she feels is right and JUST. [20:51] <SoonerGryffindor> hi Poet. Can you please help me get future to St Mungos for an EEG? [20:51] <DMD> MrMc as a Hufflepuff through and through I find great insult in that comment [20:51] <DumbleDebbie> wb cloupic [20:51] <Aislinn> she is the epitome of absolute power corrupts absolutely [20:51] <Tanaqui> she also has a lot of prejudices, which always makes a person's ideals plummet [20:51] <MinervasPetCat> aislinn i totally agree with you [20:51] <fawkes28> she really shows us that it is the inside of a person that matters not the outside appearance [20:52] <harryfreak359> lol Sooner [20:52] <Expelliarmas> she didn't do what she did because she believed it the right thing to do--she was currying favor with Fudge and trying to work her way up the Ministry ladder [20:52] <futureweasley> Harry and Sirius and Lupin break laws to do what they believe is right...it's a matter of perception, really [20:52] <Poet> I'm sure lots of characters will need St. Mungo's after tonight [20:52] <Tanaqui> ooo--aislinn, that's a great observation! [20:52] <harryfreak359> I hate umbridge more than any one else [20:52] <fawkes28> she acts too perfect and proper inside she is a demon [20:52] * MrMcGonagall stops the Bus and starts picking Dolores out of the tire treads. [20:52] <DMD> again I say rubbish [20:52] <Aislinn> the big difference is that when they break rules, it is for a greater good, or at worst, for fun [20:52] <cbm> She sent dementors after innocent people, that can only be descried as evil [20:52] <Alexk> i'm sure not anyone hf?...wink [20:52] <Expelliarmas> look at the motives for Harry, Sirius, and Lupin and you should find it easier to distinguish Umbridge from them [20:52] * stewiegryf encourages Mr. McG not to stop [20:52] <SoonerGryffindor> but Harry and Lupin don't make people write in their own blood [20:52] <Rebekia> She creates the standards she wants people to live by though. Thats not keeping a certain law in order...because it's HER law she keeps in order [20:52] <Aislinn> when she does, it is for all the wrong reasons, none of which are based in anything good or noble [20:53] <harryfreak359> yeah, pretty much, I mean in HP that is... [20:53] <fawkes28> i agree, rebekia [20:53] <MrMcGonagall> DMD, not every bad person has to be in Slytherin. Zacharias Smith, for instance. [20:53] <futureweasley> no, you're right...I'm not saying she was right...but I'm saying that she thought she was right, which makes NOT evil, but misguided [20:53] <DMD> She's a DE in sheeps clothing [20:53] <Tanaqui> good point, rebekia [20:53] <Rebekia> Yea Aislinn--she's really no better then Voldemort. She wants gains and will do what she feels fit to tweak the law and get those ggains [20:53] <Expelliarmas> Umbridge is about power; even her name says a lot about her--Dolores--spanish for "pain" [20:53] <SoonerGryffindor> I bet Lockhart was a Hufflepuff gone bad as well [20:53] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [20:53] <stewiegryf> OK everyone...I've gotta run! [20:53] <stewiegryf> Bye [20:53] <harryfreak359> I agree Expie [20:53] <Expelliarmas> Lockhart was homeschooled [20:53] <harryfreak359> bye Stewie [20:53] <DMD> future I am shocked that you would take this position!!! [20:53] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [] [20:54] <adamgryff> bye stewie [20:54] <Aislinn> thinking you are right doesn't excuse acting the way she does [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> bye stewie [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> oooh, that s good Expie. I never knew that [20:54] <fawkes28> bye stewie [20:54] <harryfreak359> He was Expie??? [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> bye stewie [20:54] <Mullen> She's worse than Voldy [20:54] <Poet> I love seeing a character of her evileness who isn't a DE - nice to see the various shades of black [20:54] <amyluhu> bye sewie [20:54] <Alexk> bye stewie [20:54] <futureweasley> I'm full of surprises, DMD. LOL [20:54] <fawkes28> i agree, mullen [20:54] <Expelliarmas> yes, we decided that a few chats back [20:54] <Aislinn> and she knew perfectly well she was doing wrong when she sent the dementor's against Harry [20:54] <marielle> Futur i don't think Umbridge was misguided, i think she is an idiot, and she is eveil, which dosen,t help! [20:54] <Expelliarmas> read the transcripts [20:54] <futureweasley> Percy Weasley–wannabe Minister for/of Magic. The most power hungry of the Weasleys, he turned his back on his family after GoF to support the Ministry. By OotP, he’d become a Ministry flunky at Fudge’s beck and call. In HBP, he had not yet reconciled with his family. Do you hate the little git? Why? [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> Stupi Git [20:54] <harryfreak359> that's scary...I was home schooled....Eek! [20:54] <cloudpic> Pitiful Percy [20:54] <DumbleDebbie> I'm still holding out hope for Perce [20:54] <SoonerGryffindor> He was mean to his mom and for that I dont like him [20:54] <amyluhu> don't hate him. i just agree with his brothers that he is a git [20:54] * MrMcGonagall gets the Knight bus back into gear. [20:54] <harryfreak359> Ooh, I am not at all happy with Percy [20:55] <Alexk> prick! [20:55] <fawkes28> lol [20:55] <Rebekia> Now THAT is a case of Misguidance by desires of approval [20:55] <DMD> She meant to be visious and cruel for no other reason than to be visious and cruel....with a smile [20:55] <Tanaqui> i do not like him, but only because he's being stubborn and blind [20:55] <adamgryff> he is a stupid little piece of work that needs to take a look at his own family to redeem himself [20:55] <cloudpic> Me too, DumbleDebbie [20:55] <Aislinn> percy needs to sort out his priorities [20:55] <Poet> I do pity him. He's on a path that perhaps he'll regret someday. [20:55] <cloudpic> Middle child.. [20:55] <amyluhu> agree bec [20:55] <DumbleDebbie> lol Aislinn [20:55] <Aislinn> yes, rebekia, I agree that percy is a much better example of that [20:55] <DMD> what the heck is visious???? [20:55] <fawkes28> he has no gratitude toward his parents [20:55] <Expelliarmas> here's another one who needs to get it together; he's on a path where he could be influenced to do something truly evil for the love of power [20:55] <MrMcGonagall> I still hope we'll see some change in Percy befre the end, but I don't have a lot of hope. [20:55] <DMD> Percy is just young and a mess [20:55] <fawkes28> i agree, mr. m [20:55] <Poet> He seems to be so focused on what he wants here and now that he doesn't have room for compassion or empathy [20:55] <Rebekia> Yea Percy will come back [20:56] <MinervasPetCat> i think percy is going to need a pretty harsh wake up call to realize he is wrong in this war he has going with his family [20:56] <Rebekia> Because he loves Ron [20:56] <SoonerGryffindor> I honestly think that Crouch Sr. Is an example of what Percy is going to be if he doesnt get his rear end out of his head [20:56] <adamgryff> he has to put things together in the next book or else I don't think I will ever be able to respect him again [20:56] <harryfreak359> Me either, Mr.M...the only reason that I hope it is for the sake of Mrs. Weasley [20:56] <fawkes28> percy would probably do anything to be minister one day [20:56] <marielle> If he continue to act like an idiot he will finish like Umbridge. I don't think he will tortore anybody out of his fee will, but if he is ask to do it by the Ministry because the Ministru judge it is good, i am afraid he could do it! [20:56] <Alexk> i wouldn't be totally surprised if percy decided to join either side [20:56] <Expelliarmas> he needs to get an idea of balance [20:56] <MrMcGonagall> I think the end will come and Percy will realize he missed his chance to do something really important for the good. [20:56] <futureweasley> Percy is Umbridge, Umbridge is Percy...they are relatively the same character...we just haven't seen Percy use "force" to reinforce his views [20:56] <Tanaqui> sooner--that's an interesting idea...i can see percy getting caught up in his position [20:56] <DMD> I'm not so sure fawkes...he's a Weasley after all deep down [20:56] <Alexk> i honestly believe percy would do anything to get the attention of his family, even turn against them [20:57] <cbm> I think he might if he thought it could get him ahead [20:57] <Expelliarmas> very deep down, DMD [20:57] *** DumbleDebbie has quit [Bye] [20:57] <amyluhu> yes that weasleyness may come out [20:57] <Poet> Alexk - perhaps only if the DE were posing as the Ministry.... [20:57] <Rebekia> the force is what sets them apart at this point for sure...and what rears my hatred right now [20:57] <SoonerGryffindor> Oh, Percy will stay on the right side, because he is too big-headed not to be on the "good" side, but he might to more damage than good due to his attitude [20:57] <DMD> future again I say...I'm totally shocked by your statements. [20:57] <MrMcGonagall> I'm not sure Percy has the same kind of ruthless streak that Umbridge had. [20:57] <cloudpic> I don't think Percy is an Umbridge... really I don't... he has had Weasley influence... he's just off track [20:57] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [20:57] <Rebekia> He just doesnt realize what the GOOD side is..well he may have a better idea now i hope [20:57] <Aislinn> I think percy has the potential to become umbridge, but has not gotten that far yet [20:57] <Rebekia> Government lol [20:57] <Expelliarmas> not yet, MrM, but left unchecked? he has the potential to really go bad [20:57] * DumbleDebbie hopes everyone is still gonna hug this week [20:57] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Aislinn. [20:57] <futureweasley> Again, a misguided character who has dug his heels in...there's nothing wrong with that [20:57] <Poet> Percy reminds me of a horse with blinders on [20:58] <harryfreak359> LOL [20:58] <futureweasley> other than the fact that he's wrong [20:58] <Aislinn> and he is much more set on following rules than wshe is [20:58] <Alexk> oooo, two minutes left [20:58] <SoonerGryffindor> I stand by my belief he has the potential to be a Crouch Sr, not Umbridge [20:58] <amyluhu> good poet [20:58] <harryfreak359> I don't believe it is that late already [20:58] <Rebekia> lol! Debbie...I love disagreeing with friends. Makes for fun discussions biggrin [20:58] <Expelliarmas> there is when you refuse to acknowledge you've made a mistake [20:58] <Poet> I think so too SoonerGryffindor [20:58] <Aislinn> that's exactly what's wrong with it future [20:58] <DMD> I agree expie, but he doesn't go unchecked because of the Weasley [20:58] <fawkes28> i dont really care about percy that much if he doesnt come back over to the good side it really wont bother me [20:58] <MrMcGonagall> When digging one's heels in means obstructing what is good and right and true, it is bad, future. [20:58] <Aislinn> it is a fault to dig your heels in, if the reasoning behind it isn't sound [20:58] <marielle> Well i think Percy has the potential to become an Umbridge if he is not carefule, so i agree with Future on that [20:58] <futureweasley> well, that's about all the time we have for this evening, guys! Great chat...thanks for coming today!! [20:58] <Alexk> hug time! [20:58] <Expelliarmas> he's separated himself from the Weaslys though, so he doesn't have that part of himself being checked [20:59] <Rebekia> I think anyone with the action of Love will come back to the good side. Or be shown mercy in some way. We know Percy loves Ron [20:59] * harryfreak359 gives everyone a big hug [20:59] <Alexk> hmmm, what mayhem shall i cause this week? [20:59] <Tanaqui> i could see him remaining the black sheep of the family--much as sirius was to his [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> oh my goodness! Its already time for the chat to be over [20:59] <Rebekia> More then most anyone in his fam [20:59] <MrMcGonagall> Hugs for everyone, and now the Knight Bus of Death is being parked in the garage for good. [20:59] <amyluhu> hug hug bye bye [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> be nice Alex [20:59] <DMD> future I won't go until you confess you've played Devil's advocate [20:59] <DumbleDebbie> yeah time flies sad [20:59] <futureweasley> he's wrong...but he's owning his wrongness...and I admire that [20:59] <cloudpic> Bye all! Absolutely great chat [20:59] <harryfreak359> awww....bye bus sad [20:59] <fawkes28> lol, mr.m you aren't offering rides back to the great hall? [20:59] *** cloudpic has quit [Bye] [20:59] <adamgryff> hugs for everyone time went by fast tonight [20:59] * Alexk tosses buckets of high jumping chocolate frogs into the corner booth [20:59] <futureweasley> lol, DMD...I will never tell [20:59] <Alexk> muahahahahahahahahaha [20:59] <SoonerGryffindor> *sigh* It will never happen DMD [20:59] <Rebekia> awww man...stupid tarts I missed SNAPE grrrr [20:59] <Alexk> not nice! [20:59] <Poet> night all [20:59] <Expelliarmas> he's not owned up to anything yet, fw [20:59] <amyluhu> bye [20:59] <Mullen> bye all, glad I finally caught a bit of this [20:59] <DumbleDebbie> Happy Thanksgiving everyone! (((((group))))) [21:00] *** MinervasPetCat left #lounge [] [21:00] *** Mullen left #lounge [] [21:00] <adamgryff> night all [21:00] <Alexk> but you can eat them at least! [21:00] *** adamgryff has quit [Bye] [21:00] <DMD> Happy Turkey Day [21:00] <MrMcGonagall> We can apparate, fawkes. I'll bring the under 17s back in the Bus. [21:00] <Rebekia> night guys. have fun eating ;) [21:00] * futureweasley gives everyone a BIG HUG!! [21:00] *** amyluhu has quit [Bye] [21:00] <harryfreak359> Happy thanksgiving! [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> Oh yes! Everyone have a great Thanksgiving tomorrow [21:00] <Expelliarmas> Happy Thanksgiving and good night [21:00] *** DumbleDebbie left #lounge [] [21:00] <fawkes28> lol mr. m [21:00] <futureweasley> don't eat too much!!! [21:00] * harryfreak359 gives everyone a hug [21:00] <Rebekia> lol sooner [21:00] <marielle> Good night to all [21:00] <Alexk> Happy tg! [21:00] <Tanaqui> bye everyone--happy thanksgiving! enjoy your pie! [21:00] *** marielle left #lounge [] [21:00] *** Poet has quit [Bye] [21:00] *** Tanaqui left #lounge [] [21:00] * harryfreak359 gets on bus [21:00] *** DMD left #lounge [] [21:00] <SoonerGryffindor> and I just want to say how thankful I am for all of you guys who come in here every week [21:00] <fawkes28> have a great thanksgiving everyone smile [21:01] <Aislinn> bye everyone! [21:01] <Aislinn> I don't admire someone who is more set on thinking they are right than discovering what actually is right [21:01] <MrMcGonagall> Bye everybody! [21:01] <Rebekia> bye tan! (i think we were in a room together oh...gone) [21:01] * futureweasley waves while Aislinn flickers the lights [21:01] <Rebekia> bye!!! [21:01] <SoonerGryffindor> eat lots of turkey tomorrow guys! [21:01] <harryfreak359> only a few more months...then I'll be able to apparate...*sigh* [21:01] *** Rebekia has quit [Bye] [21:01] *** Alexk has quit [Bye] [21:01] <harryfreak359> bye guys!!!! [21:01] <cbm> bye [21:01] *** cbm has quit [Bye] [21:01] <fawkes28> bye smile [21:01] <SoonerGryffindor> bye smile [21:01] *** MrMcGonagall left #lounge [] [21:01] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [21:01] <SoonerGryffindor> wow |
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