Corner Booth Www Chat 11-8-06, The Enigmatic Severus Snape |
 Nov 8 2006, 09:22 PM
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Tonight's Chat Moderators: Aislinn, fawkes28, SoonerGryffindor, Expelliarmas, poet and futureweasley
[18:58] *** Snuffles changed the topic to: The Enigmatic Severus Snape (Aislinn) [18:58] <Expelliarmas> hey there [18:59] *** Poet has joined #lounge [18:59] <Aislinn> Hey smile [18:59] <Aislinn> Crap, huge lag [18:59] *** stewiegryf has joined #lounge [18:59] <Expelliarmas> already? [18:59] <Aislinn> hi harryfreak [18:59] <Aislinn> hey stewie [18:59] <Expelliarmas> hey hf [18:59] <Aislinn> it's getting better [18:59] <Expelliarmas> heya stewie [18:59] <Poet> Hi stewiegryf [18:59] <harryfreak359> hey! [18:59] <stewiegryf> hey all! [19:00] <Poet> hi harryfreak359 [19:00] <stewiegryf> how's everyone doing tonight? [19:00] <harryfreak359> hello! [19:00] <Expelliarmas> doing pretty well [19:00] <Poet> headache, earache, and sort throat smile [19:00] *** stupifiant_horcri has joined #lounge [19:00] *** nijolijo has joined #lounge [19:00] <harryfreak359> well, except for a headache [19:00] <Expelliarmas> sounds like its winter for you Poet [19:00] *** fawkes28 has joined #lounge [19:00] <Aislinn> ooh, not good Poet [19:00] <Poet> I couldn't miss a chat about Snape though [19:01] <stewiegryf> oh no! but you're still here! what a trooper... [19:01] *** stupifiant_horcri has quit [Bye] [19:01] <harryfreak359> This is going to be a great hat [19:01] <harryfreak359> chat not hat [19:01] <fawkes28> woo hoo for snape!! [19:01] * Expelliarmas stays oddly quiet for the moment [19:01] *** DumbleDebbie has joined #lounge [19:01] *** AlchemistApprentice has joined #lounge [19:01] <Poet> woo hoo indeed [19:01] <fawkes28> hehe [19:02] <Aislinn> hi everyone smile [19:02] *** harryfreak359 has quit [Bye] [19:02] <DumbleDebbie> hey kids! smile [19:02] *** nympheart has joined #lounge [19:02] <fawkes28> hello smile [19:02] * stewiegryf is ready to see some knockdown, dragout debates [19:02] <nympheart> hello [19:02] <AlchemistApprentice> got room for one more? [19:02] <fawkes28> stewie, whatever are you talking about?? [19:02] <Expelliarmas> budge up everyone [19:02] <Aislinn> sure smile [19:02] <fawkes28> hi AL [19:02] <Poet> Maybe if we all sit on our hands it will be a pleasant little chat [19:02] <nympheart> what are the odds of this debate going for about a month straight? [19:02] <AlchemistApprentice> hello all hubby away- so I get to play !!! [19:03] <stewiegryf> Oh I don't know...just for some reason I think that Snape is a hotly debated issue. [19:03] <Aislinn> glad you joined us AL [19:03] <fawkes28> hehe [19:03] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:03] *** An_Eternal_Night has joined #lounge [19:03] <nympheart> hi AEN [19:03] *** Hedwigger7 has joined #lounge [19:03] <AlchemistApprentice> thanks Aislinn and debates good but no biting aloud! [19:03] <fawkes28> hello everyone smile [19:03] <An_Eternal_Night> hi nympheart [19:03] <An_Eternal_Night> hi all! [19:03] <Aislinn> lol [19:04] <Hedwigger7> Howdy Snape o philes! [19:04] <Hedwigger7> (are there any here?! she asks panicked) [19:04] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [19:04] <nympheart> lol [19:04] <fawkes28> i am so excited [19:04] <Poet> Here, yes. [19:04] <Aislinn> hehehehe [19:04] *** Whisperwing has joined #lounge [19:04] *** Belenzie has joined #lounge [19:05] * Expelliarmas points hedwigger to the other side of the room [19:05] <Hedwigger7> (whew) [19:05] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [19:05] <An_Eternal_Night> this should be very.... interesting... [19:05] <AlchemistApprentice> is there any rules to what we can discuss about Snape or not discuss?? [19:05] <Belenzie> finally it worked [19:05] <DumbleDebbie> future! smile [19:05] <Aislinn> yay - hi Future [19:05] <Poet> Just wondering where Jo is so we can hear her opinion smile [19:05] <Hedwigger7> Expel, I'm so sad... : ( How could u? [19:05] <Expelliarmas> heya fw [19:05] <An_Eternal_Night> hi future [19:05] <nympheart> hi fw [19:05] *** futureweasley has quit [Connection reset by peer] [19:05] <Aislinn> Expie, over here with me please smile [19:05] <Belenzie> hey all [19:05] <Poet> There are mods - so there will be specific questions to answer that they pose to us, yeah. [19:05] * Expelliarmas marvels and wonders why anyone would invite her to this chat?!? [19:05] <Hedwigger7> Both of you. [19:05] *** nijolijo has quit [Bye] [19:05] <Whisperwing> Maybe for a balanced viewpoint? [19:05] <fawkes28> expie, play nicely smile [19:06] * Expelliarmas puts away the legal brain and picks up the relaxed brain [19:06] * nympheart polishes her ax [19:06] <Hedwigger7> !!! [19:06] <Whisperwing> Now now, no violence. [19:06] *** bemused has joined #lounge [19:06] <Aislinn> no weapons allowed nymph [19:06] <nympheart> awww [19:06] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:06] <Aislinn> biggrin [19:06] *** nijolijo has joined #lounge [19:07] <nympheart> but it's shiny now [19:07] *** nijolijo has quit [Bye] [19:07] <stewiegryf> wait until after the chat for that [19:07] <stewiegryf> smile [19:07] <fawkes28> i'll promise to behave [19:07] <fawkes28> hehe [19:07] * Expelliarmas thinks nympheart should offer the shiny ax to Macnair [19:07] * nympheart thinks he already has one or two [19:07] *** Punky has quit [Bye] [19:07] *** atschpe has joined #lounge [19:07] *** harryfreak359 has joined #lounge [19:08] <Whisperwing> Oh, I'm sure he likes his own just fine. [19:08] <Aislinn> hi atschpe! [19:08] <harryfreak359> ack finally! [19:08] <nympheart> hi atschpe and hf [19:08] <Poet> Where are all the weapons coming from? [19:08] <fawkes28> hey atschpe smile [19:08] *** nijolijo has joined #lounge [19:08] <Aislinn> wb hf [19:08] <Expelliarmas> heya atschpe [19:08] <atschpe> Hi there! [19:08] <stewiegryf> Snape is giving them out poet....he's just mean like that. [19:08] * Whisperwing is weaponless, save for wit. [19:08] <harryfreak359> snuffles is not happy with me tonight, apparently [19:08] <nijolijo> hi? [19:08] <nijolijo> ok its working lol [19:08] <Expelliarmas> "wit beyond measure ... [19:08] <Whisperwing> Hullo nijolijo [19:08] <nympheart> maybe he's just hungry [19:08] <nijolijo> hello [19:08] <harryfreak359> hi nijolijo [19:09] <nympheart> hi nijolijo [19:09] * Belenzie does a little dance [19:09] <fawkes28> devil2 [19:09] <Belenzie> sevy today yay!!!! [19:09] <Belenzie> :) [19:09] <nijolijo> it wouldnt let me chat [19:09] <Whisperwing> Goodness, don't mention hunger, or I'll be wandering away in search of food... [19:09] <nympheart> it gave me a hard time too [19:09] <nijolijo> ok [19:09] <AlchemistApprentice> ooh who said food?!!! [19:09] <harryfreak359> me either nijolijo [19:09] *** SoonerGryffindor has joined #lounge [19:09] <harryfreak359> Sooner! [19:09] <fawkes28> hello sooner [19:09] <SoonerGryffindor> hey guys [19:09] <nijolijo> so its not my computer then [19:09] <Expelliarmas> Sooner! [19:09] <nympheart> hi sooner [19:09] * Whisperwing cringes [19:09] <stewiegryf> sooner! [19:09] <fawkes28> another one for our side [19:09] <DumbleDebbie> Sooner! smile [19:09] <Poet> Hi SoonerGryffindor [19:09] <An_Eternal_Night> hi Sooner [19:09] <Hedwigger7> Sooner! [19:10] <stewiegryf> "Just don't tell SoonerGryffindor that Snape is mean, oh no!" [19:10] <atschpe> Hi nijolijo [19:10] * Poet lets out a little woot [19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> Snuffles wouldnt let me in for a moment there [19:10] <Whisperwing> Someone said something hours ago about burgers, but I doubt they've been made. [19:10] <nijolijo> im on the snape lovers side [19:10] <harryfreak359> I had problems as well Sooner [19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> must be afraif of my Snape thoughts. laugh [19:10] <atschpe> hi Sooner [19:10] <Expelliarmas> hahaha, maybe Snuffles can't take snivellus either [19:10] <fawkes28> i still saw it, poet wink [19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> hey Hilde [19:10] <nympheart> I'm for independent EvilSnape [19:10] <DumbleDebbie> it's screening people Sooner wink [19:10] <Whisperwing> Ooh, this would be a good time to relisten to SnapeCast 8! [19:10] <harryfreak359> I think so [19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Debbie [19:10] <Hedwigger7> Its the anti-Snapes , hem hem, out there sabotaging Snuffles... [19:10] <AlchemistApprentice> all the hellos to Sooner makes me think of norm from the Tv show cheers [19:10] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Al [19:10] <Expelliarmas> shame MaraudingDon couldn't join this chat [19:10] *** futureweasley has joined #lounge [19:10] *** Punky has joined #lounge [19:10] <nijolijo> hi [19:11] <Poet> too true [19:11] <stewiegryf> future's back! [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> very true Expie [19:11] <harryfreak359> Future! [19:11] <Aislinn> future, are you here? [19:11] <harryfreak359> Punky!!! [19:11] <Hedwigger7> wb Future! [19:11] <nympheart> lol, maraudingdon would be fun [19:11] <Poet> We could all use a good shampooing [19:11] <nijolijo> hi punks [19:11] <Punky> Hi! [19:11] <SoonerGryffindor> can you see us future? [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> wb Future smile [19:11] <Aislinn> ooh, we need mauraudingdon! [19:11] <futureweasley> mic check? [19:11] * Expelliarmas thinks maraudingdon should be found ASAP [19:11] <futureweasley> am I here? [19:11] <AlchemistApprentice> someone skype her and tell her she is needed [19:11] <DumbleDebbie> hea ya FW smile [19:11] <nijolijo> how do we change the color of the text? [19:11] <Expelliarmas> there you are fw [19:12] <nijolijo> how do we change the color of the text? [19:12] <Expelliarmas> there you are fw [19:12] <DumbleDebbie> *hear [19:12] <harryfreak359> I see ya FW [19:12] <Aislinn> you are! [19:12] <futureweasley> YAY! [19:12] <Punky> Hey FW [19:12] <stewiegryf> loud and clear future [19:12] <futureweasley> hi Punky! [19:12] <Expelliarmas> see the >> to the right of the text box, click there and chose a color--but not green [19:12] <futureweasley> good to see you here!! [19:12] <Punky> And you smile [19:12] <futureweasley> and, HI everyone!! [19:12] <Poet> Excellent [19:12] <nijolijo> ok thanx smile [19:12] <nympheart> hi fw [19:12] <An_Eternal_Night> hi future! [19:12] <Whisperwing> There's no salmon though, or peach, or turquoise.... [19:12] <Whisperwing> or sparkly [19:12] <Expelliarmas> that's a good color right there nijolijo [19:12] <nijolijo> m salmon [19:13] *** BakerMill has joined #lounge [19:13] <nijolijo> tyvm [19:13] <Whisperwing> I want sparkly text! [19:13] <nijolijo> lol [19:13] * Whisperwing sniffles [19:13] * nympheart thinks there should be more shades of purple [19:13] <An_Eternal_Night> what we need is a Gryffindor Scarlet [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> I am so looking forward and dreading this chat at the same time [19:13] <Poet> The background is already salmon (starts to drool) [19:13] <harryfreak359> I like green [19:13] <AlchemistApprentice> lol sooner [19:13] <Whisperwing> Mine's beige [19:13] <DumbleDebbie> lol Sooner [19:13] <harryfreak359> hahaha Sooner [19:13] <BakerMill> i can't believe i'm in a harry potter chat [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome baker [19:13] <nijolijo> we all are [19:13] <Poet> Hi Baker [19:13] <atschpe> Same here Sooner … [19:13] <Expelliarmas> why not BakerMill, it's a regular occurrence here [19:13] <BakerMill> hi [19:13] <SoonerGryffindor> this will be a wild one for sure [19:14] <harryfreak359> I've been waiting for this chat all day [19:14] <fawkes28> me too, hf [19:14] <nympheart> at least we're nerds with you [19:14] <harryfreak359> counting down, everything [19:14] <nijolijo> punkys been counting down the minutes [19:14] <Punky> I am smile [19:14] <atschpe> I've even stayed up – lucky I don't have to go to work tomorrow [19:14] <harryfreak359> yeah she has [19:14] <nijolijo> lol [19:14] <harryfreak359> :) [19:14] <stewiegryf> I'm just sad that I have stupid class tonight...and there's a quiz. sad [19:14] <fawkes28> yay, atschpe! [19:14] <futureweasley> that stinks stewie! [19:14] <stewiegryf> I can't stay for the whole thing. [19:14] <SoonerGryffindor> you guys have no idea how hard it was to write questions for this [19:14] <Whisperwing> rough night, what with the last Lost until February being on tonight. [19:14] *** Belenzie has quit [Bye] [19:14] <Expelliarmas> haha, stewie, I have a class tonight as well. Depending on how this chat goes, that's what the minions will get [19:14] <harryfreak359> awww Stewie [19:14] <atschpe> I can imagine Sooner … [19:15] <Whisperwing> and Ghost Hunters too [19:15] <Poet> stewiegryf - this is why I was so happy to get all my classes on Tue/Thu this semester [19:15] <harryfreak359> Hahaha [19:15] <BakerMill> yes, i've never actually read any of the books. (hangs head in shame). I'm going to start tonight! [19:15] <nijolijo> omg [19:15] <nympheart> Baker! [19:15] <stewiegryf> well, i've got that next semester poet! [19:15] <Aislinn> you need to get them otherwise occupied, expie, as I will be needing your support ;) [19:15] <Whisperwing> Seen the movies though? [19:15] <nijolijo> no way [19:15] <BakerMill> no :-( [19:15] <harryfreak359> I have a horrible headache today...but nothing can stop me from enjoying this chat [19:15] <AlchemistApprentice> ok so what is first on the agenda tonight... ooh my Baker! [19:15] <BakerMill> this chat is too advanced for me [19:15] <nijolijo> :O [19:15] <futureweasley> We will be starting the discussion in a few minutes. You’re not going to be able to type for a few minutes while we make some announcements, please bear with us, you’ll be able to type again soon. [19:15] <Poet> Baker - you might get spoiled - you will get spoiled in here, sadly [19:16] <futureweasley> There may be times during the chat when a moderator will want to PM something to you. Please keep an eye on the top of your screen, right next to the button with #Lounge on it. A button will appear with one of the mods' names on it. If you see that appear, click on it to see the PM that has been sent to you by that mod [19:16] *** Gryffinclaw has joined #lounge [19:16] <futureweasley> You won’t be able to reply to that PM, but if you could just say something like "Sooner, got it” in the main chat, to let us know that you have seen it, that will be great. We'd also like to remind you that the rules of the Lounge also apply here in the Corner Booth, and may be found here: http://www.leakylounge.com/?act=rules [19:16] <futureweasley> If you need to contact us during the chat, send one, or all, of us a PM on the Lounge. We will be checking them regularly, but if we haven't replied after a little while then please let us know here that you have sent a PM. Thanks for your cooperation! [19:16] <futureweasley> While its easy to drift off in various directions, let's all try to have a fun chat by sticking to the topic for today. OK, moving on to the topic for the chat! [19:16] <Aislinn> Tonight we will be discussing Professor Severus Snape. Archrival to James Potter and Sirius Black back in his school days. Hired as Potions Master & Head of Slytherin House at Hogwarts in 1981; made Defense against the Dark Arts professor in 1996. Now a fugitive, whereabouts unknown. [19:16] <Aislinn> We first see Severus Snape through Harry Potter's eyes in book 1: "a professor with greasy black hair, a hooked nose, and sallow skin. His eyes were black like Hagrid’s, but they had none of Hagrid’s warmth. They were cold and empty and made you think of dark tunnels" [19:17] <Aislinn> Numerous essays have been written about this character and thread after thread in the forums has discussed every move that he has made. Hang on and get ready for the wild ride for the next 2 hours while we discuss one of the most controversial, complicated fictional characters ever penned. [19:17] <Aislinn> Do you think that we get an accurate depiction of Severus Snape, or does the "Harry filter" skew him somewhat? [19:17] <Expelliarmas> Well, we left off the lovely yellow teeth [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> I think a little of both [19:17] <Whisperwing> ooooh.. cinnamon buns.... wish I could make some... but nooooo, not until maybe this weekend, if I'm lucky..... [19:17] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [19:17] <nijolijo> lol [19:17] <futureweasley> the "Harry filter" is definitely a factor [19:17] <harryfreak359> lol [19:17] <Hedwigger7> Skewed mostly... but what we saw without Harry was also perpelexing... [19:17] <nympheart> I think Harry throws it off a bit, but there is no way you can get a pleasant person either way [19:17] <Poet> There is some skewing for sure. We have little to no idea of his conversations with DD for instance [19:17] <DumbleDebbie> I think the initial physical description is accurate [19:17] <atschpe> It's definitely a Harry filter [19:17] <Whisperwing> Oh the Harry filter absolutely skews him, he doesn't seem nearly as sinister in SPinner's End! [19:17] <bemused> somewhat!!! [19:17] <AlchemistApprentice> also in scholastic editions of the book he is drawn with a beard- signifigant or not? [19:17] <Aislinn> I don't think it's as much of a filter as many believe [19:18] <fawkes28> i dont think he does [19:18] <harryfreak359> I think the Harry filter shows a biased light of him [19:18] <BakerMill> bye room i love you! [19:18] <Expelliarmas> I think we see Severus through Harry's eyes, but then what about the other students who see him the same way? [19:18] <Punky> But he's so ambiguous, from that sense it's accurate [19:18] <DumbleDebbie> later on things will be skewed by Harry's experiences wtih Snape [19:18] <Hedwigger7> Why not AIs? [19:18] <bemused> I think the beard gives quite the wrong impression [19:18] <stewiegryf> I think there is some filtering that goes on there [19:18] <Poet> Bye Baker [19:18] <SoonerGryffindor> One thing that is never mentioned is that Snape smells. This must mean he has more personal hygeine than we are led to believe by Harry [19:18] <Aislinn> there are scenes we are able to view through Harry's eyes, but the actions are still crystal clear [19:18] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Sooner! [19:18] <futureweasley> I think there are certain "truths" to what Harry shows us...but there is a lot that is masked by his own personal bias [19:18] <Expelliarmas> Perhaps no one gets close enough to Snape to tell, Sooner. [19:18] <atschpe> Well, we have heard little from students who actually like him … [19:18] *** BakerMill has quit [Bye] [19:18] <Hedwigger7> He can just have very thin hair you know, it needn't mean he's dirty... [19:19] <nijolijo> snape isnt close to anyone [19:19] <atschpe> Exactly, Hedwigger [19:19] <Whisperwing> (Oh shame on me -- only listened to 15 minutes of Snapecast since it downloaded.) [19:19] <Expelliarmas> Of course, having Snape jump down Harry's throat and try to embarrass him the first class didn't help [19:19] * DumbleDebbie hides the 2x4 from Expie and Sooner [19:19] <AlchemistApprentice> well action speak louder than words the question is whether Harry sees all of Snape's actions or just some of them [19:19] <nympheart> Snape is always evil to Neville too [19:19] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Debbie [19:19] <nijolijo> harry only sees the bad iin him [19:19] *** Belenzie has joined #lounge [19:19] <Aislinn> true al, and surely he doesn't see them all [19:19] <Hedwigger7> Snape isn't nice to any kids, really, and even Draco dumps on him when pushed... So no one is going to see him in favorable light... [19:20] <fawkes28> lol debbie [19:20] <futureweasley> hi Belenzie [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> Expie and I know how each other feels about this [19:20] <atschpe> I think he miss interprets a few or understands them wrong. [19:20] <AlchemistApprentice> yes Snape is mean to all students other than slytherins [19:20] <harryfreak359> yes, AL [19:20] <Aislinn> but the ones he sees are not very admirable [19:20] <Hedwigger7> Except a certain head of Hogwarts. [19:20] <bemused> doesn't have a lot of patience, our Severus! [19:20] <Whisperwing> Evil would be much more damaging, he's bullying, but he doesn't do the boy any actual harm, does he? [19:20] <nympheart> that's arguable whisper [19:20] <Expelliarmas> When has Snape been kind? Even when he smiles, people know nothing good will come of it [19:20] <nijolijo> no he doesnt and he has saved him a few trimes when he didnt have to [19:20] <Whisperwing> In fact you might say his treatment of Neville in Potions class is what gives Neville something to compare to once he starts herbology. [19:20] <Poet> Evil or not, I think both Snape and Harry and determined to see each other not as they really are, but how they want to see one another. [19:20] <nijolijo> harry forgets that [19:20] <SoonerGryffindor> I think some of it is exaggerated by the Harry filter and some of it is Snape [19:20] <fawkes28> oh, expie, we could be here all night if i answer that [19:20] <Hedwigger7> Ditto Poet. [19:20] <futureweasley> it's like "selective hearing"...only Harry only sees what Snape chooses to show him...or what Harry discovered on his "sneakarounds" [19:21] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner [19:21] <Gryffinclaw> There is a Harry filter but when the Narrater talks about Snape they make him sound bad too [19:21] <atschpe> I agree POet. [19:21] <Aislinn> you're right, poet, neither one sees the other objectively [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> There is only one time we see Snape without the Harry filter though Griffinclaw [19:21] <harryfreak359> I agree Poet [19:21] <Expelliarmas> I would have agreed with that Poet, but for the first class with the Potions Master. What had Harry done to deserve that treatment? From that point forward, there was no chance of them reaching any mutual understanding. [19:21] <AlchemistApprentice> yes Snapes actions are never seen from beginning to end- so how much is left to our imagination and how much is delibrately left out by harry since Harry only sees Snape through a filter of his own [19:21] <Aislinn> Why do you think the sorting hat put Snape in Slytherin? [19:21] <Whisperwing> He certainly seemed sincere with Narcissa [19:21] <SoonerGryffindor> and that is at Spinners End where he seemed A LOT different [19:21] <futureweasley> but Harry is only looking for evidence against Snape...so that's all we see [19:21] <fawkes28> because he is ambitious [19:21] <Whisperwing> Why else? He was desperate to prove his worth [19:21] <harryfreak359> Well because I think he was very ambitious [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> that is strange, because he is half-blood [19:22] <fawkes28> he has been dying for the DADA position for years [19:22] <nympheart> Snape started at the bottom, so of course he's ambitious to rise [19:22] <futureweasley> Snape is all about himself...cunning and ambitious to a fault [19:22] <Gryffinclaw> Because Snape is cunning [19:22] <nympheart> and you can't say he's not clever [19:22] <stewiegryf> Snape is very cunning and ambitious and that's the epitome of Slytherin. [19:22] <An_Eternal_Night> he is cunning, and has many Slytheriny qualities [19:22] <Punky> given the choice he'd save himself [19:22] <Hedwigger7> Expel -- Snape has a reason and we come to know it later. Harry is little James. [19:22] <Whisperwing> He couldn't have felt very worthwhile growing up in an abusive environment. [19:22] <Poet> And so we get a Catch 22 situation sometimes where they think they hate each other and they make it so. Snape from the get-go saw Harry as his father... [19:22] <nympheart> Snape's sensitivity about cowardice suggests that he isn't brave [19:22] <Aislinn> I think he shows all of the traits described by the hat - cunning, ambitious [19:22] <nijolijo> i dont thinkk so punky [19:22] <Expelliarmas> Well, he's sneaky, cunning, sly, holds a grude forever, and will go far to get what he wants [19:22] <atschpe> I think at the time he was very ambitious and most interested in his own safety. [19:22] <Gryffinclaw> Snape seemed different at Spinners End, I'll agree but he seemed more favourable towards LV then [19:22] <SoonerGryffindor> Seems to me that the line between Slytherin and Gryffindor is very fine [19:22] <AlchemistApprentice> Snape is cunning but also talented and think Lv bad or evil they are talented [19:22] <Belenzie> just because his parents were screaming AT EACH OTHER does not mean he was abused [19:23] <An_Eternal_Night> that's not what I got out of it, nymph [19:23] <futureweasley> I agree nympheart...but there is noone else playing both sides...I think that takes guts [19:23] <Expelliarmas> he might also have had some of the same beliefs about purebloods as Slytherin did [19:23] <stewiegryf> It is Sooner...that's why Gyrffindor and Slytherin used to be such good friends. [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> self loathing Expie? [19:23] <nympheart> is he playing them both for gain, or to save himself though? [19:23] <atschpe> Because he is talking to Death Eaters – he'd be daed if he didn't show or feign inclination to the Voldy [19:23] <nijolijo> no way expelliarmus [19:23] <Expelliarmas> maybe, DumbleDebbie [19:23] <SoonerGryffindor> Snape embodies a lot of Slytherin traits, but I also think he would have made a good Gryffindor as well [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> ewww Sooner! [19:23] <Gryffinclaw> true atschpe [19:23] <harryfreak359> ehhhh [19:23] <Expelliarmas> Oh I don't think so, Sooner [19:23] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [19:23] <AlchemistApprentice> hmmm gryinffdor why sooner? [19:24] <An_Eternal_Night> I agree with that Sooner [19:24] <nijolijo> i think hes brave too [19:24] <Expelliarmas> too sneaky and self absorbed to go that route [19:24] <atschpe> Ditto Sooner [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> He is brave, and very successful at what he does [19:24] <nijolijo> has to be to do what he has been doing [19:24] <harryfreak359> well, yeah I guess... [19:24] <bemused> Why self-absorbed? [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> whether he is good or bad, he has guts [19:24] <nympheart> where does he exibit bravery? [19:24] <Expelliarmas> there are hufflepuffs and ravenclaws who are brave and good at what they do [19:24] <Gryffinclaw> Where are examples of his braveness? [19:24] <DumbleDebbie> I think the difference between them is Gryffindors are brave for others Slytherings are brave for themsleves [19:24] <stewiegryf> Like the guy or not, you have to admit he's brave to do the things he's been doing for years. [19:24] <fawkes28> he does, sooner [19:24] <atschpe> I could see young Snape though not being that brave yet. [19:24] <AlchemistApprentice> so when Snape sat under the sorting hat did the hat have to debate his placement as it did Harry's? [19:24] <nijolijo> very brave [19:24] <SoonerGryffindor> he is either fooling DD or LV. Either way takes a LOT of bravery [19:24] <nijolijo> working for both sides the way he has been [19:24] <fawkes28> he is also smart so i think he wouldnt have done too badly with ravenclaw [19:24] <Expelliarmas> Don't think it's bravery--it's fence sitting waiting to see how things turn out [19:24] <Hedwigger7> Yes Sooner, he does have to be brave to place himself where he is... but he's also ambitious as heck. [19:25] <harryfreak359> Agreed Sooner [19:25] <Gryffinclaw> Agree with Expel [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> but ambition is not bad [19:25] <Poet> We see everything through the Harry filter, even Dumbledore. Almost everyone is more of a mystery to us than Harry. [19:25] <nympheart> that's what i think too expie [19:25] <nympheart> ambition is bad in large quantities [19:25] <Aislinn> but his reasons for doing things are very personal sooner, not outwardly driven [19:25] <bemused> He wasnt recognition - is tht the same as being ambitious? [19:25] <atschpe> Everything is bad if it' [19:25] <SoonerGryffindor> we dont know that for sure [19:25] <Aislinn> that is much more a slytherin trait than a Gryffindor one [19:25] <Belenzie> the fact he was adamant about not being called a coward shows the want of...........lost my train of thought someone else finish it for me lolz [19:25] <AlchemistApprentice> yes Aislinn agreed [19:25] <Hedwigger7> Yes bemused. [19:25] <atschpe> …bad if it's unbalanced – sorry there [19:25] <harryfreak359> I agree with Sooner [19:26] <SoonerGryffindor> I agree that the hat made the right choice, and it is never wrong any way, But I still think there is not much difference [19:26] <bemused> I don't think it is, quite... [19:26] <Expelliarmas> he's not doing what he's doing to save the wizarding world, it's Snape first, if it works out for the wizarding world and he gets a bit of glory to boot, then he'll be happy to ride that wave as well [19:26] <nijolijo> i think deep down snape is good and it will be shown in the end [19:26] <bemused> I don't agree with that at all, expel [19:26] <Aislinn> exactly expie [19:26] <nympheart> I still say Snape is playing both sides because he is afraid of being singled out [19:26] <DumbleDebbie> yeah, Expie - I do think he's doing whatever he's doing for selfish reasons [19:26] <Gryffinclaw> Agree with Expie [19:26] <atschpe> If it's Snape first why on earth would he give the Death-mark tutorial at the end Of GoF [19:26] <Hedwigger7> So Dumbledore has trusted a self serving man all these years? [19:26] <AlchemistApprentice> yes good side but he is still a nasty man if that makes sense [19:27] <futureweasley> it makes total sense AA [19:27] <Aislinn> yes, hed [19:27] <DumbleDebbie> yep, Heg. DD knew Snape had a role to play in the big chess match [19:27] <Expelliarmas> He was still in the role of the double spy. No one said he wasn't a superb actor. [19:27] <Hedwigger7> How little you think of the old guy... [19:27] <Aislinn> because he is a too trusting soul [19:27] <nympheart> yes [19:27] <fawkes28> no, aislinn dumbledore is right [19:27] <AlchemistApprentice> some of the most self serving men in history did alot of good but that doesn't make them a nice person [19:27] <bemused> but he's not sim, Aislinn [19:27] <Hedwigger7> Go fawkes. [19:27] <Whisperwing> He wants to feel he's risen above his 'low' background, become something more than either his mother or his Muggle father. [19:27] <Expelliarmas> Yes, DD alllowed himself to be fooled [19:27] <bemused> sorry, dim! [19:28] <futureweasley> thank you Expie [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I also thnk that maybe Snape asked the hat to put him in Slytherin [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> I think the world of DD Hegwig. I think Snape's role, whatever it ends up being is necessary ad DD knew it [19:28] <fawkes28> no, expie [19:28] <Hedwigger7> Toward what end -- "be fooled?" [19:28] <nijolijo> but was he really fooled????? [19:28] <futureweasley> DD was very foolish to trust Snape so blindly [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> much like Harry asked to be put in Gryffindor [19:28] <Gryffinclaw> True [19:28] <Poet> Snape is in Slytherin because he has double S's for his name. I think the hat was a little biased smile [19:28] <fawkes28> exactly, nijolijo [19:28] <atschpe> Cause he met James before, Sooner? [19:28] <nympheart> lol poet [19:28] <Hedwigger7> Ditto DDeb [19:28] <An_Eternal_Night> that would be a nice contrast Sooner [19:28] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so atschpe [19:28] <bemused> Who says it was blind though, he had his reasons [19:28] <stewiegryf> we don't know what DD's reasons were future. it may not have been so blind [19:28] <Expelliarmas> DD has always been willing to believe anyone who said s/he had changed--was proof ever really necessary? [19:28] <atschpe> I also pondered on that theory. [19:28] <DumbleDebbie> I don't think DD was fooled. Snape has a part to play [19:29] <nympheart> i think some legillimency was in effect with DD's trust [19:29] <Expelliarmas> lol Poet [19:29] <AlchemistApprentice> oh DD felt that givinng Snape a chance would make him a better person? [19:29] <Hedwigger7> Ditto again DDeb... [19:29] <Whisperwing> He was not blind, he simply chose trust over doubt in the belief that a show of faith would have a positive effect [19:29] <atschpe> Would be a nice parallel to Harry and Draco [19:29] <Expelliarmas> DD was a big believer in second chances [19:29] <nympheart> DD avoided the issue every time he was asked [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> that is a theory I have had for a while [19:29] <fawkes28> DD doesnt have to explain himself to anyone [19:29] <futureweasley> all I hear from you right now Debbie is blah, blah, blah... laugh [19:29] <Aislinn> yes, expie, I think he wants to give second chances and the benefit of the doubt [19:29] <harryfreak359> yes [19:29] <Hedwigger7> Dumbledore's trust hasn't been disproved yet... [19:29] <nijolijo> i think DD knew all along what snape was doing,, i dont think he was fooled,, DD is the greatest wiz of all time, im sure he had/has his reasons for trusting snape and im sure they will be justified in book 7 [19:29] <SoonerGryffindor> Harry =Snape; Draco=James [19:29] <fawkes28> future!! [19:29] <bemused> perhaps what he knew was too personal to Snape [19:29] <atschpe> Yep, I hear you [19:30] <Aislinn> well, he was killed hed [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> and we stil don't know what DD's reason was for letting Snape teach and be in the Order [19:30] <stewiegryf> Play nice future! [19:30] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner [19:30] <AlchemistApprentice> yes DDebbie!! [19:30] <nympheart> DD said why he trusted Snape [19:30] <Hedwigger7> And? [19:30] <atschpe> I like the theory – but am a bit torn if young Snape would have even had the traits of a Gryffindor back then. [19:30] <Aislinn> OK, moving away from DD for a minute: [19:30] <Aislinn> Do you think that the relationship between Snape and his mother is significant? [19:30] <nympheart> and there's a gaping hole in it [19:30] <Hedwigger7> He was dying already for many of us Ais. [19:30] <Gryffinclaw> No [19:30] <Whisperwing> He could easily have been simultaneously very wrong and completely right in trusting Severus. [19:30] <DumbleDebbie> I still wonder sometimes if Snape will be like Gollum, necessary but in the end selfish [19:30] <nympheart> only a little [19:30] <Whisperwing> Absolutely [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Jo has made mothers be very important [19:30] <Poet> Snape's mother seems to have taken the middle road, with Lily and Merope on the extremes. [19:30] <fawkes28> yes, i do [19:30] <SoonerGryffindor> so yes [19:30] <Expelliarmas> Yes. I'll be he wondered what on earth possessed her marry a Muggle. [19:30] <An_Eternal_Night> I think it is significant [19:30] <Punky> Yes I think how much he was loved plays a role [19:31] <Expelliarmas> *bet [19:31] <futureweasley> I don't think that she's the woman JKR has referred to as the one who "loved" Snape [19:31] <AlchemistApprentice> ooh of course why else do people pay for couch time- it is all about the mother!!!!! [19:31] <nijolijo> no but i think the relationship between lily and snape is significant [19:31] <atschpe> It will have definitely formed him – whether it was good or bad [19:31] <stewiegryf> Good point Poet [19:31] <harryfreak359> I dunno really, but it might be [19:31] <Hedwigger7> She taught him Dark Magic maybe... [19:31] <nympheart> i think it's only important because they didn't see eye to eye [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I love that point Poet [19:31] <bemused> I think she might turn up, yet [19:31] <stewiegryf> Maybe that shaped his ambiguity later in life... [19:31] <Hedwigger7> WHo then future? [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> I think you are so right on that [19:31] <atschpe> And somehow I think that there wasn't a strong bond there. [19:31] <nympheart> i think so too atschpe [19:31] *** MrMcGonagall has joined #lounge [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> it is interesting that she was pure-blood and married a muggle [19:31] <Expelliarmas> heya MrM [19:31] <nympheart> hi MrM [19:31] <DumbleDebbie> hey Mr, M smile [19:31] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Mr M [19:31] <fawkes28> i think that she did love snape and that is the difference between snape and voldemort [19:32] <fawkes28> hi mr. m [19:32] <An_Eternal_Night> hi MrM [19:32] <Aislinn> in what way is she significant, if you believe she was? [19:32] <futureweasley> Hedwigger, I think it's Petunia...but that's another chat [19:32] <harryfreak359> don't ask her that Hedwigger [19:32] <Poet> Merope gave up her child, Lily died for her child, Snape's mother seems to have been unable to protect her child, but still stuck with her husband [19:32] <Hedwigger7> Welcome! [19:32] <Aislinn> Hi Mr M [19:32] <AlchemistApprentice> strong bond or not the relationships of mom's in the series can't be ignored I think there is more to Snape's mom to be revealed [19:32] <Expelliarmas> I've seen no evidence of motherly love directed at Severus [19:32] <harryfreak359> Future!!!! [19:32] <Hedwigger7> lol HF [19:32] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Eileen Snape is the one who loved him [19:32] <DumbleDebbie> she gave birth to the greasy git wink [19:32] <harryfreak359> Ewww,,,,ewww....eww [19:32] <futureweasley> II'm trying to stay objective...it's hard [19:32] <Hedwigger7> Ok, thanks Future... [19:32] <fawkes28> right, future [19:32] <Whisperwing> She may have been interceding for Severus's protection the times she was getting the brunt of the abuse. [19:32] <harryfreak359> *shudder* [19:33] <Expelliarmas> she may have given birth to ol' greasball, but we don't know what other wizards had an influence on him growing up. Maybe other pureblood cousins? [19:33] * stewiegryf must be getting to class now [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I still think there is more to the story than we know [19:33] <stewiegryf> Bye all! Have fun! [19:33] <MrMcGonagall> We just don't know that much about Eileen Prince. [19:33] <harryfreak359> awww...bye stewie! [19:33] <Poet> If arguments were a common occurance, as they appear to have been from Snape's memory, he may have had trouble feeling loved growing up. [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> bye stewie [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> bye stewie [19:33] *** stewiegryf left #lounge [] [19:33] <nympheart> bye stwie [19:33] <An_Eternal_Night> definitely Sooner [19:33] <Hedwigger7> Bye stew! [19:33] * Expelliarmas wonders why a witch would take abuse from a Muggle ("silencio") [19:33] <Gryffinclaw> See ya stewie [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> definitely Sooner [19:33] <nympheart> Merope [19:33] <MrMcGonagall> I see Snape [19:33] <harryfreak359> Agreed MrMcG...therefore we can't really judge anything [19:33] <MrMcGonagall> I see Snape's mother as being rather Merope-like. [19:33] <DumbleDebbie> twooo wuv Expie? [19:33] <harryfreak359> I do too [19:33] <SoonerGryffindor> I also have a theory about where his mother may be, but that is definitely for another chat [19:33] <Whisperwing> Why do Muggle women 'take' the abuse? [19:34] <AlchemistApprentice> hmm intresting MrM [19:34] <nijolijo> maybe feeling loved but he did love someone and that is the difference [19:34] <Expelliarmas> No way, DD, not the way they were arguing [19:34] <atschpe> I read a interesting theory that Snape is somehow related to the Balck's and was thus around Grimauld Place as a child [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> LOL [19:34] <Aislinn> Is she the person that has loved Snape? [19:34] <nympheart> I don't think Eileen was quite as spineless as Merope, but close [19:34] <atschpe> It might actually explain some aspects of the rivalry between the Marauders and him [19:34] <nijolijo> hmmmmm ats [19:34] <harryfreak359> ummm no [19:34] <An_Eternal_Night> I believe so [19:34] <nympheart> yes, but I don't think she communicated it well [19:34] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so [19:34] <DumbleDebbie> You'd hope so, being his mum [19:34] <Expelliarmas> I have no idea who the woman was who loved Snape (but if it wasn't his mamma, I *shudder*) [19:34] <AlchemistApprentice> well it is hard to say that a mother didn't love her child but there is so much unknown [19:34] <Gryffinclaw> She loved Snape [19:34] <bemused> I think that's likely, aislinn [19:34] <atschpe> I think JKR isn't talking about motherly love here. [19:35] <nijolijo> ats i think theres another reason james and snape fought all the time [19:35] <Poet> I agree atschpe [19:35] <harryfreak359> I agree atschpe [19:35] <Gryffinclaw> Actually Expie, we don't know if it was a women [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> lol Expie [19:35] <Expelliarmas> ok, worse [19:35] <Whisperwing> Oh, you didn't go there. [19:35] <SoonerGryffindor> for once, I agree with you on something concerning Snape [19:35] <Hedwigger7> Yea, am not sure Eileen will be the "love" discussed. Doesn't seem to flow with the rest of what we know of Sev. [19:35] <nijolijo> lol [19:35] <fawkes28> i agree, atschpe, but i still think eileen loved snape [19:35] <Aislinn> you think it's romantic love Jo is talking about atschpe? [19:35] <bemused> who then, Hedwigger? [19:35] <nijolijo> i think the Love discussed was snape loving lily potter [19:35] <nympheart> i think Lily's the theory [19:35] <harryfreak359> quite possibly...or a different love [19:36] <futureweasley> You guys...it's so obvious...Petunia loved Snape [19:36] <nympheart> lol fw [19:36] <atschpe> Or on the basis of friendship. [19:36] <nijolijo> yes nym [19:36] <Punky> lol fw [19:36] <AlchemistApprentice> welll that is another chat future [19:36] <DumbleDebbie> lol FW [19:36] <Whisperwing> No, it wasn't his love for someone else, it was someone else's love for him. [19:36] <Gryffinclaw> Oh Dear Future [19:36] <Hedwigger7> Well, as future suggested, possibly Petunia... There's more to her than meets the eye... and he may have had a thang for sis Lil. [19:36] <harryfreak359> yes..friendship kind of love [19:36] <Expelliarmas> lol fw, had it been petunia, she would have said that awful, greasy boy [19:36] <Poet> I think there is a girl who at least loved him as a friend - remember that weird (non-canon) speech by Lupin in Movie 3? Lily seems like a very loving, caring person [19:36] <MrMcGonagall> I think I agree with atschpe - I don't know that it's Snape's mother's love is the significant one for the story. [19:36] <Gryffinclaw> Lol Expie [19:36] <Whisperwing> The quote is that he has been loved and that's why what he's done is so much worse than VOldemort. [19:36] <SoonerGryffindor> lol future. I really do think it is his mother because of the importamce that Jo has placed on mothers in this series [19:36] <bemused> Snape to Vernon's quite a change [19:36] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:37] <nympheart> I don't think Lily loved Snape [19:37] <nympheart> but I do think he had a thing for her [19:37] <futureweasley> no...it wasn't Lily [19:37] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, nymph. [19:37] <nijolijo> no but snape loved lily [19:37] <Hedwigger7> Me too nymph.. [19:37] <harryfreak359> Yes, I think she may have loved him, but I don't think thats the one she meant [19:37] <Gryffinclaw> Possibly Nymph [19:37] <futureweasley> unless possible platonic [19:37] <harryfreak359> I agree Nymph [19:37] <Expelliarmas> I don't think it was Lily "loving" Snape. Friendship, perhaps, but love? Nope. [19:37] <atschpe> Not in the way of romantic at least – but I could see a friendship between them [19:37] <MrMcGonagall> I think he may have been a little conflicted about the feelings he had for her. [19:37] <AlchemistApprentice> wait a sec if Snape's mother and their relationship an indication of who Snape fell in love with?? [19:37] <nympheart> I think she liked him platonically until fifth year [19:37] *** Pellinore has joined #lounge [19:37] <harryfreak359> I think she may have been kind to him [19:37] <atschpe> Perhaps even allwoing Snape to confide in Lily. [19:37] * SoonerGryffindor gets the heebie-jeebies even thinking about Lily loving Snape. [19:37] <DumbleDebbie> hi Pellinore [19:37] <harryfreak359> and befriender him [19:37] <Whisperwing> What about when Bertha Jorkins caught someone kissing in the greenhouse and got hexed for it? Doesn't it seem like that would have been Snape? [19:38] <Pellinore> evening smile [19:38] <harryfreak359> lol sooner [19:38] <MrMcGonagall> I agree with you, too, Sooner1 [19:38] <Gryffinclaw> I'm more inclined to believe Snape loved Lily but the feeling wasn't mutual [19:38] <An_Eternal_Night> hello Pellinore [19:38] <Expelliarmas> interesting thought, ww [19:38] <MrMcGonagall> I'm with Gryffinclaw. [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> welcome Pellinore [19:38] <atschpe> HI Pellinore [19:38] <Hedwigger7> Yes Gryff; Whisper.... mmmmmm, that's interesting... [19:38] <SoonerGryffindor> I think Snape liked Lily, but not loved [19:38] <Aislinn> that's possible gryffinclaw [19:38] <Expelliarmas> I can see Snape coveting what James had [19:38] <nijolijo> i think what makes the difference between snape and lv is that snape has loved,,, meaning lily i think [19:38] <nympheart> point sooner, I don't think love is the right word [19:38] <Aislinn> I wondered about that comment too whisper [19:38] <Whisperwing> Coveting maybe, but not loving her. [19:38] <DumbleDebbie> good point Expie [19:38] <MrMcGonagall> I think he never admitted to anyone but DD wwhat he felt for Lily. [19:39] <nympheart> obsessed perhaps? [19:39] <Expelliarmas> obsessed maybe, but that's not love [19:39] <Pellinore> I'd buy into the Snape loved Lily or tried to pull a fast one on James Potter by polyjuicing into him then Lily kissing Snape thinking it was James and blowing Snape's mind [19:39] <fawkes28> erhaps, mr. m [19:39] <Poet> I don't think Lily was in love with Snape, but I do think she had unconditional love in her heart for him at least when they were in their first few years at Hogwarts [19:39] <fawkes28> *perhaps [19:39] <Whisperwing> I can only see him wanting to hurt James by 'stealing' Lily from him. [19:39] <Expelliarmas> wow, Pellinore [19:39] <harryfreak359> I agree MrMcG [19:39] <An_Eternal_Night> Lily reminds me a lot of Ginny, so many people probably liked Lily [19:39] <nympheart> yes AEN [19:39] <Hedwigger7> You don't think his feeling was sincere Whisper? [19:39] <Whisperwing> Absolutely not. [19:39] <Aislinn> What do you think the relationship was between Snape and his father? [19:40] <atschpe> Yeah, ww [19:40] <MrMcGonagall> not good. [19:40] <nympheart> i think that one was bad [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> bad [19:40] <Gryffinclaw> Very Poor [19:40] <Expelliarmas> I have a feeling it was cold and distant [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> very, very bad [19:40] <harryfreak359> very bad [19:40] <Poet> I don't think they liked each other one bit [19:40] <Pellinore> contentious at best, abusive at worst [19:40] <Whisperwing> He despised his father as both a Muggle and a base human being. [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> I think this relationshio may have been what pushed him over the edge into Slytherin and into the Dark Arts [19:40] <nympheart> I suspect it was one of those "You're a witch!" type things [19:40] *** chocolate89 has joined #lounge [19:40] <fawkes28> i don't think they had a good one at all [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> or close and violent Expie [19:40] <Expelliarmas> hmm, seems we have a few DEs with bad father/son relationships [19:40] <AlchemistApprentice> abusive relationship [19:40] <harryfreak359> I agree Sooner [19:40] <atschpe> I doubt he'd treat his son much better than his wife once he knew what they were. [19:40] <MrMcGonagall> Given the pride he takes in his mother's lineage, I think he hated his father. [19:40] <Poet> I agree SoonerGryffindor [19:40] <futureweasley> raging alcoholic...the song "Jeremy" by Pearl Jam comes to mind whenever I think of Snape and his relationship with his parents [19:40] <Gryffinclaw> I th9nk Snape craved a fatherly figure though [19:40] <DumbleDebbie> hi choc [19:40] <An_Eternal_Night> we don't know enough about it... but I don't think it was a loving relationship [19:40] <chocolate89> hey everybody [19:40] <nympheart> hi chocolate [19:40] <AlchemistApprentice> ooh nice Gryffinclaw [19:40] <Gryffinclaw> *think* [19:40] <Aislinn> so everyone is sure that the scene we saw in occlumency class was typical of his father? [19:40] <fawkes28> hi chocolate [19:40] <harryfreak359> hi chocolate [19:40] <SoonerGryffindor> and just his father;s name : Tobias says a lot right there [19:40] <Hedwigger7> Exactly MrMc [19:41] <harryfreak359> yeah, I think so [19:41] <nympheart> I think so Ais [19:41] <chocolate89> me to [19:41] <bemused> Not so sure - calling himself 'half-blood' in private says he wasb't disowning his father [19:41] <Punky> Typical of their relationship at least [19:41] <Expelliarmas> what does it say, Sooner? [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> I think so Aislinn because of the timing of when Harry saw it [19:41] <nympheart> I think it's an odd name for a muggle, so it must be significant [19:41] <Hedwigger7> Yes Gryff which is why his respect for DD... [19:41] <SoonerGryffindor> To bias [19:41] <Whisperwing> If Eileen Prince's family was anything like the Blacks, she was surely disowned once she became involved with and married a Muggle. [19:41] <Poet> Snape even fashioned a new name for himself [19:41] <harryfreak359> nice [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Sooner [19:41] <DumbleDebbie> never thought of that [19:41] <Whisperwing> So without any other form of family support, she would have felt trapped, magic or not. [19:41] <Hedwigger7> Yes Ais, one has to get exposition out as one can... [19:41] <Aislinn> that's true whisper [19:41] <MrMcGonagall> Of course, do we know that Eileen was a pure-blood herself? [19:41] <chocolate89> i think they must have been like the blacks [19:41] <nympheart> is there any myths with a tobias in them? [19:41] <Gryffinclaw> I think Snape saw DD as more of a father, but then the evil git muderured him [19:42] <Hedwigger7> Or mocking it bemused. [19:42] <chocolate89> for him to be able to associate himself with the likes of the malfoys [19:42] <atschpe> Yeah, but he contrary to Voldy, used it only in private – never publicly. [19:42] <SoonerGryffindor> lots of them nymph, but I cant go into it here [19:42] <chocolate89> well if snape is "half blood" [19:42] <Expelliarmas> Also don't think Snape grew up in an affluent household [19:42] <chocolate89> then one of his parents had to be pure blood [19:42] <chocolate89> meaning his mother [19:42] <Aislinn> what makes you think that expie? [19:43] <Whisperwing> The house in Spinner's End was probably his father's [19:43] <atschpe> Really, chocolate? [19:43] <Gryffinclaw> Why couldn't Eillen be muggle-born witch? [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> oh, Eileen was definitely a pure-blood, which makes me wonder where she is on the Black family tree [19:43] <Expelliarmas> The conditions of him being alone in a room shooting at flies with his wand [19:43] <chocolate89> wait really at which part? [19:43] <futureweasley> for one thing, he had "grungy undies"...do you think Draco has off-white underwear? I think not [19:43] <harryfreak359> I agree Expie [19:43] <Expelliarmas> and of course, the greasy hair--no attention to grooming from the time he was a kid [19:43] <SoonerGryffindor> LOL FW [19:43] <MrMcGonagall> lol future! [19:43] <DumbleDebbie> LOL FW [19:43] <harryfreak359> lol future... [19:43] <chocolate89> lol [19:43] <Whisperwing> Like I said, once Eileen married a Muggle, she was cut off [19:43] <nympheart> lol, I think Draco has different colored boxers [19:43] <atschpe> I expect she occupied one of the places which has no got a whole through it. [19:43] <chocolate89> i agree [19:43] <Aislinn> maybe once they lost dobby as house elf fw ;) [19:43] <nijolijo> lol [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> I thnk you are right WW [19:44] <Gryffinclaw> lol [19:44] <Gryffinclaw> Yeah WW is right [19:44] <harryfreak359> I agree Whisperwing [19:44] <chocolate89> me to [19:44] <chocolate89> me to [19:44] * SoonerGryffindor really doesnt want to talk about underpants [19:44] <Aislinn> Sirius Black: "Snape knew more curses when he arrived at school than half the kids in the seventh year and he was part of a gang of Slytherins who nearly all turned out to be Death Eaters". Is this just Sirius exaggerating, or do you think he was being truthful? [19:44] <DumbleDebbie> LOL Sooner [19:44] <chocolate89> definitely truthful [19:44] <Gryffinclaw> Slight exaggeration [19:44] <nympheart> A bit exaggerated, but definitely truth in there [19:44] <SoonerGryffindor> exaggeration [19:44] <chocolate89> look who is still associates with today [19:44] <fawkes28> well, i am sure he exagerrated somewhat [19:44] <atschpe> Exagerationg [19:44] <Gryffinclaw> but his DADA OWL is confirmation he knew a lot [19:44] <AlchemistApprentice> truthful no friends and had that to keep his intrest [19:44] <An_Eternal_Night> I think it was truthful [19:44] <MrMcGonagall> I think Snape probably already had an unhealthy fascination with the Dark Arts. [19:44] <Expelliarmas> Sirius was telling the truth. Snape could have learned from mummy or perhaps cousins [19:44] <DumbleDebbie> some exaggeration , bu tnot much [19:44] <Aislinn> I think there was no reason for him to lie in this circumstance [19:45] <bemused> Sirius' perception of a kid he didn't like [19:45] <fawkes28> the whole truth, expie? [19:45] <atschpe> I doubt Sirius would have had enough knowledge to acutually know this. [19:45] <MrMcGonagall> I agree, Debbie [19:45] <SoonerGryffindor> Well, we've all seen that Sirius has a bit of a filter as well [19:45] <nympheart> well, we know Snape invented curses later [19:45] <Pellinore> we don't have a lot to go on for snape's background so i'd believe their's a hint of truth at least to that so he'd have to have learned the Dark Arts from someone before school [19:45] <Poet> I think he knew more than the first year students, but the 7th years is pushing it for sure [19:45] <Expelliarmas> Snape also would have loved to have shown off his prowess while at Hogwarts [19:45] <DumbleDebbie> right, so he had a foundation with taht stuff nymph [19:45] <Whisperwing> There's a grain of truth to that, I believe he knew a lot of curses coming in to Hogwarts, I don't know if a 'gang' is the smae thing as having friends, he was probably a 'part' of that gang the way Peter was 'part' of the Marauders. [19:45] <chocolate89> definitel [19:45] <An_Eternal_Night> I can't imagine students, even seventh years, in Hogwarts learning about too many curses [19:45] <MrMcGonagall> He seems to have been quite the inventer of spells. [19:45] <harryfreak359> I think Sirius kind of exaggerated it a bit, but I think that it was pretty much true..... [19:45] <atschpe> Perhaps little Snapey managed to catch a seventh year unprepared with a jinx – and the myth was born. [19:46] <Hedwigger7> But if he hung out with a gang, where were they in SWM? No one came to his aid cept Lily. [19:46] <fawkes28> since he was smart i am sure that he advanced more quickly than others once he got there [19:46] <SoonerGryffindor> I honestly think that James and Sirius probably gave Snape hell from day one and that he was always having to defend himself against them. I'm sure he used some ugly things against them [19:46] <AlchemistApprentice> well could be an indicator of how talented a wizard Snape was at the time and I loove the remark of Sirius through a filter- bravo!!! [19:46] <Expelliarmas> Sirius would have known what he was talking about--he was a pureblood Black and what was his parents' house filled with? Dark objects. [19:46] <chocolate89> agreed [19:46] <DumbleDebbie> true Expie [19:46] <Pellinore> yea i'd buy that Expie This post has been edited by futureweasley: Nov 8 2006, 09:26 PM |
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