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Apr 30 2008, 12:36 AM
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That's interesting, I always thought the London season was the winter months, when being close to town made it easier to attend balls and such. Not that I had any real basis for that assumption, but I'm happy to be corrected.
I did wonder, about the entailment, if one of the sisters had produced a son, would it then have reverted back to the Bennet family? It seems like it should, if it the guidelines were to stay in that particular family line. -------------------- "Where so many hours have been spent in convincing myself that I am right, is there not some reason to fear I may be wrong?" - Jane Austen
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May 1 2008, 06:14 AM
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One Half of the DDD Posts: 8,953 Joined: 5:31pm August 30, 2006 Location: Siriusly Dreaming Somewhere ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
In researching the carriage stuff, I stumbled across this interesting site, which has all kinds of interesting tidbits of cultural information. That's a really good site Pyxis, I read further down and there were some notes on transport including this snippetQUOTE Post: Traveling by changing horses at posting stations (inns) along the way (rather than using one's own horses), for greater speed. which explains the phrase "post haste" meaning "quickly", I've always wondered what that meant This post has been edited by Dreamteam: May 1 2008, 06:15 AM -------------------- ![]() March's Book Nook: The Little White Horse by Elizabeth Goudge/Skellig by David Almond "THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE DIED!" roared Black. "DIED RATHER THAN BETRAY YOUR FRIENDS, AS WE WOULD HAVE DONE FOR YOU!" |
May 4 2008, 03:36 PM
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There's talk in the humor thread about Mr. Bennet being good for a laugh but not really such a great father.
What was the normal way to raise children? Should Mr. Bennet have spent more time with his daughters? What if they had been sons? The Bennets never had a governess. How much money was needed to support a governess? Mrs. Bennet may have taught her daughters embroidery and table-painting, but what was life like with five young girls around a table copying down their alphabet, working sums, and memorizing "the Roman emperors as low as Severus." (Mansfield Park makes me chuckle...) What was early education like in the Austen-era, and how did it differ based on social situation? -------------------- ll |
May 7 2008, 10:42 AM
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I give up! I have searched and searched for information about a gentleman/father's customs and responsibilites towards his family relations and I am turning up zip...zero...zilch...nada. The things I can find about "gentlemen" of the era show that they were chiefly engaged in pleasure seeking, hunting, hanging out at the club, and entertaining a mistress on the side. It does appear from the books that it was primarily the mother's responsibility to see to the education of her children.
Speaking of education, the info I found about it here and here, says that women were generally educated at home by governesses. This was mainly a cultural education, meant to give them the tools necessary to be an asset to a husband. It included mainly a foreign language, and heavy on the arts of music, drawing, and dance. The education of men... QUOTE Gentlemen would be educated at home by a governess or tutor until they were old enough to attend a public school. The curriculum was heavily weighted towards the classics - the languages and literature of Ancient Greece and Rome. After that, they would attend Oxford or Cambridge. Here they might also study mathematics, law, philosophy, and modern history. Oxford tended to produce more Members of Parliament and government officials, while Cambridge leaned more towards the sciences and produced more acclaimed scholars. It was not compulsory, either legally or socially, for a gentleman to attend school at all. He could, just as easily, be taught entirely at home. However, public school and University were the great staging grounds for public life, where you made your friends and developed the connections that would aid you later in life. I did run across this list of social "don'ts" QUOTE Omitting to pay proper respect to company, on entering or leaving a room; or paying it only to one person, when more are present. Entering a room with the hat on, and leaving it in the same manner. Setting still on the entrance of your instructor, strangers, or parents. Omitting the proper attention, when waited on by superiors. Passing between the fire and persons sitting at it. Whispering, or pointing in company, and staniding between the light and any person wanting it. Contradicting your parents or strangers who are any way engaged in conversations. Laughing loudly, when in company, and drumming with feet or hands. Swinging the arms, and all other aukward gestures, especially in the street, and in company. All actions that have the most remote tendency to indelicacy. Leaning on the shoulder, or chair of another person, and overlooking persons who are writing or reading. Throwing things instead of handing them, and crowding others in a passinge, or running against their elbows. Contempt in looks, words, or actions, for a partner in dancing, or other persons. All instances of that ill judged familiaritywhich breeds contempt. Lolling on a chair when speaking or when spoken to, and looking persons earnestly in the face without any apparent cause. Surliness of all kinds, especially on receiving a compliment Distortion of countenance, and mimicry. Ridicule of every kind, vice or folly A constant smile or settled frown on the countenance. |
May 7 2008, 07:06 PM
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I found this about 19th century governessess which says
QUOTE The yearly salary for a governess ranged from fifteen to one hundred pounds, the latter figure reflecting the wages of a very well-educated woman working for an extremely wealthy family. The average wage was generally considered low—between twenty to forty pounds per year, at a time when the typical agricultural wage hovered was thirty pounds per year. I think one of the reasons for educating women by mothers at home was partly cost (even on low pay, five daughters would have cost more than one daughter to educate) that they mainly needed an education in looking after a household, looking good in society, to attract the right husband and be respectable in public and practical application, making things for the home etc. There wasn't much space for an academically educated woman.
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May 8 2008, 11:27 AM
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So I have a question about medicine and doctors. I was just watching Mesmer again (the fact that Alan Rickman stars as Franz Anton Mesmer is purely coincidental reallyreally) and I dont know how true to the real life of Doctor Mesmer it is but, I think it's set in a similar period to Jane Austen's writing. This is one of the few *period dramas* I've seen that focus so much on medicine, in fact the story is centered around physicians and medicine. I've seen in other movies (please dont throw things at me for watching the movie versions of books) where they bleed patients that are sick. Why was this considered helpful, and how was it supposed to cure anything?
It irritates me that Mesmer was opposed to bleeding and used magnet therapy (which is now hugely popular) and actually listened to people's problems & understood how trauma affects the mind which in turn affects the body, yet his colleagues labeled him a fraud and a charlatan despite the fact he cured a young woman's blindness, & they exiled him because he dared to question the accepted treatment, which seemed to be exclusively bleeding, like whether a person was sick or blind or having epileptic seizures, it was bleeding that was prescribed. Were there other therapies? I so would not have liked to live back then and gotten ill -------------------- I'm 1 of the 99.99% W.L.Y.J. When I sleep I dream, and when I dream I can rise above the walls Remember Cameron Duncan Thanks Jeff! |
May 9 2008, 11:49 AM
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So I have a question about medicine and doctors. I was just watching Mesmer again (the fact that Alan Rickman stars as Franz Anton Mesmer is purely coincidental reallyreally) and I dont know how true to the real life of Doctor Mesmer it is but, I think it's set in a similar period to Jane Austen's writing. This is one of the few *period dramas* I've seen that focus so much on medicine, in fact the story is centered around physicians and medicine. I've seen in other movies (please dont throw things at me for watching the movie versions of books) where they bleed patients that are sick. Why was this considered helpful, and how was it supposed to cure anything? It irritates me that Mesmer was opposed to bleeding and used magnet therapy (which is now hugely popular) and actually listened to people's problems & understood how trauma affects the mind which in turn affects the body, yet his colleagues labeled him a fraud and a charlatan despite the fact he cured a young woman's blindness, & they exiled him because he dared to question the accepted treatment, which seemed to be exclusively bleeding, like whether a person was sick or blind or having epileptic seizures, it was bleeding that was prescribed. Were there other therapies? I so would not have liked to live back then and gotten ill Have you seen Sense and Sensibility with Alan Rickman? *sigh* As a medical professional, I thought this was very interesting to research. I found an index of Georgian terminology here that had some definitions of medical treatments of the time... QUOTE Medical Treatments--or tortures *Bleeding--was a staple remedy for doctors in Georgian times. There was almost no understanding of the true cause and nature of disease. Bleeding was thought to purge the body of vile humors that caused the illness. One account of the treatment of an injury in a carriage accident, preserved in contemporary letters, leaves one wondering how the young man survived. His mother writes to her friend that after being injured when his phaeton overturned and loosing considerable amounts of blood, the doctor bled him repeatedly over the next 3 months and forbade all beef. The poor misguided mother seemed to have had absolute faith in the doctor. The young man must have had a strong constitution. He survived the 'medical' treatments. *Blistering--was when a physician deliberately gave the patient a second degree burn and then lanced and drained the resulting blister. It was believed that the liquid in the blister contained the toxins that were causing the sickness and that the pain of blistering caused the patient's mind to focus on the new pain slowing the progress of the disease. These practices were thought to fight diseases, but, as we now know, these medical practices amounted to the needless torture of an already sick person. *The Brunonian system--devised by Edinburgh physician John Brown rested on the supposition that disease was caused by weakness or inadequate stimulation of the organism and that stimulation should be increased through treatment with irritants. *Fumigation -- The practice of having the patient breath the smoke or gases from a heated substance in the belief it would cure a disease. Substances used included: opium, deadly nightshade, iodine, sugar of lead, belladonna, digitalis, hellebore, aconite, dog-bane, tobacco, arsenic, antimony, niter, lobelia, and cinebar. Opium of course did offer the patient some relief from pain until it wore off. Of course it did nothing to fight the disease. It was considered a great cure all. *Ointments--containing mercury were used on patients with venereal diseases. Sulfur was used from ancient times to treat skin problems. *Plastering --Plasters were a paste-like mixtures, made from a variety of ingredients including such substances as cow manure, which were thought to draw the toxins causing a disease from the body. To make maters worse these filthy mixtures were often applied to the raw spots left from blistering. *Poulticing --Poultices were made from a mixture of bread and milk, to which other ingredients were sometimes added including: potatoes, onions, herbs, and linseed oil. Poultices were applied to cuts, wounds, bites, and boils. *Puking -- was a medical practice in which the physician dosed a patient with emetics resulting in vomiting. Puking was thought to relieve tension on arteries and to expel poisons from the body. *Purging--was a treatment that involved the patient ingesting a powerful laxative to induce the emptying of the patient's bowels or intestines. Purging was thought to cleanse the body of toxins. Unfortunately the most widely used purgative was calomel, a highly poisonous form of mercuric chloride. *Sweating--was a treatment where in patients were wrapped in a hot wet sheet and numerous blankets and thus made to sweat out the poisons that caused their disease. This treatment was more harmless than most, but could have fatal results if used on a person with high blood pressure or a weak heart. Okay, wow. This post has been edited by Pyxis: May 9 2008, 11:50 AM |
May 9 2008, 12:27 PM
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Have you seen Sense and Sensibility with Alan Rickman? *sigh* Maybe just a couple Thank you so much for all the different medical words and practises. It's kind of frightening that doctors really thought this could in any way actually help a patient. And, when a phsician like Mesmer actually did cure a patient, he was exiled for being a *sharlatan* Anyhows, thank you for enlightening me with medical treatments & making me glad that I did not live then. I always thought it would be a nice time to live in because, life seems so civilized and polite but, just thinking about getting sick and being treated makes me glad I didnt live then lol -------------------- I'm 1 of the 99.99% W.L.Y.J. When I sleep I dream, and when I dream I can rise above the walls Remember Cameron Duncan Thanks Jeff! |
May 17 2008, 09:22 AM
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So I'm quickly jumping in with another question, because I'm not sure how long the P&P BC is still open for.
My question is (hopefully not a totally stupid one lol) what exactly does *prejudice* mean? I'm reading another book set in a similar era to Jane Austen's books, and the word *prejudice* is used a lot in the narrative. I dont think it means prejudice in the sense we use it now, to mean bias or discrimination. It would seem to mean something more like opinion or point of view or belief. The title Pride and Prejudice could infer prejudice more in the way it's used now because there is a lot of the story that centers around discrimination between and against people from different social or financial backgrounds but, even here I'm not totally convinced that it has today's definition. -------------------- I'm 1 of the 99.99% W.L.Y.J. When I sleep I dream, and when I dream I can rise above the walls Remember Cameron Duncan Thanks Jeff! |
Dec 28 2008, 12:16 AM
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This was such a fascinating topic from the Pride and Prejudice discussion, we decided to move it into this forum as well. Please feel free to ask any questions you have, and we love it when you share your research!
Some questions to get us going... * Can anyone enlighten me as to the monetary values of the time? I read 500 pounds per annum, is that enough to live on? Apparently two thousand a year is wealthy, is there any way to convert that to today's values? * What was the role of the patron of a parish? We see Colonel Brandon giving the 'living' to Edward Ferrars, by what right does he do that? Does Brandon own the house? Does Ferrars have to pay Brandon for the right of being clergy? What are Brandon's responsibilities to others in the parish? * Marianne considers Brandon to be old (at thirty-five!!), what was the life expectancy of the time period? * Does anyone know of some good links to the poets mentioned...William Cowper, Alexander Pope, or Walter Scott? |




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