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Jan 13 2006, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE IF he was Christened the sign of the cross is made - so where is the lightning bolt play in? First of all, JKR isn't writing a religious book. She wouldn't use a cross--it's too obvious. Secondly, as a witch, she's definitely familiar with the ancient runes. Third, DD says he was protected by an "ancient magic"--and christening doesn't qualify as "ancient magic." And although runes aren't as ancient as some other forms of magic, ogham is, and the runes are directly descended from the ogham alphabet. I didn't say she actually anointed him like that--that was just the best way to describe it. She may have done just that. Harry's scar was caused by a cut, so for all we know, she may have marked him that way herself. MemyslfnI once posted something on tatooing runes on yourself. It's very risky, apparently. I'm going to try and find the quote--it's very relevant to this discussion. Edited to add: Thanks to M for this link: http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/tattoos.html QUOTE There is historical precedence for using runes as tattoos. If you are of northern European heritage, there may be a tattooed Nordman or Viking in your genetic past. I often am asked what runes or runic charms to use as tattoos. My first advice is to try out whatever symbol you choose as a temporary tattoo first! There are several reasons for this. Aesthetics - Make sure you like the design before you commit your skin to a permanent adornment (or disfiguration). Safety - Runic are powerful. If invoked or created incorrectly, or for the wrong reason, they can be dangerous. The mere creation of a runic charm may invoke the charm, even if this was not intended. Henna works well for a temporary tattoo. It is used in the middle-eastern countries to draw designs to adorn women's fingers and hands, as well as for hair dye. Powdered henna can be obtained at beauty supply stores, sometimes even in the nail-polish section of your local drugstore, or can be ordered online. It comes in several shades, from red to black. A design drawn on the skin in henna will last about two to four weeks depending on how long the paste is left on the body. The runic compass isn't something we should get into here! For more info, see the Runes thread in Obscurus. The site goes on to say: QUOTE If you want a magical charm, the only ones I really recommend are the "Aegishjalmur" ("helm of awe"), or the "Vegvisir" (runic compass), which is a variant of the Aegishjalmur. These are very ancient charms and totally benign to the bearer. Algiz (Elhaz) is the primary rune in use in both, although there is a structural formula at work also. The Aegishjalmur's purpose is 'protection and irresistibility in battle'. I encourage you to read more about this charm on Brad Lucas' web page: Aegishjalmur, which explains what this charm is and how it is constructed. There are numerous variations of this charm. There are some other aesthetically pleasing and relatively benign runic charms found on the charms page of this website. (Heed the warning above and use at your own risk.) On the link to the charms page: QUOTE Here's how to use the rune charms on this webpage. The easiest method is to print this page and cut out the charm or charms you want to use. The charms will last as long as the piece of paper. (Do not laminate the piece of paper. You could, however, make several copies and consecrate all at the same time.) If you can only print in black and white, trace each symbol in red ink or red marker while concentrating on the symbol's purpose. If you print in color, tracing the symbols with your finger will do. (Traditionally one would stain the charms with one's own blood. See more about this below.) If you want to make more sturdy talismen, carve and paint the symbols onto pieces of wood, Fimo or ceramic clay, or other materials. CONSECRATION Pray or do a personal ritual to consecrate each individual charm to charge it with its purpose. If the charm symbol is not charged, it is merely an interesting design, not a talisman. I have described a consecration below, but you may create your own ritual. Call upon the power of God/dess, the Universal Life Force, or whatever is appropriate for your beliefs. Invite also your lineal ancestors, especially those who worked magick in their own lives, your power animal allies, local land spirits or any other wights you may wish to have present. Visualize and verbalize the purpose of the charm. Giving image, sound, and words to your desired outcome puts the magic forth into the realm of reality and loosens the power of creation. Never use "no" or "not" in the verbalization. (Capriciously the gods and our subconcious minds do not hear the words "no" or "not" and will implement the opposite!) Verbalize the intent in positive words. Say it aloud! Sent it forth! Put several drops of blood from pricking your finger with a sterilized needle or lancet and mix it with red ochre, acrylic paint, or red India ink. Draw over the symbol with the blood as you verbalize the charm's intent. (For the squeamish, leave out the blood and just symbolically "blood" the runes with henna, ochre, paint, ink or a marking pen.) It goes on to say that you should keep a copy of the rune with you at all times What better place than physically on you? So, am I still crazy? -------------------- The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.--Harlan Ellison
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Jan 13 2006, 10:29 PM
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Assistant to Nicholas Flammel![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2,201 Joined: 3:46pm July 20, 2005 Location: peering over at M's and Ari's cheat notes! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A you are not crazy!
to clarify I was not attempting to make JK into the Christian author of our time(some may think that) but I was just attempting to see IF there was a connection between a cross and lightning bolt. But I like your to obvious better! The runes "rite" (better than anoint?)is something that makes ALOT of sense. The combo of that and the AK with maybe a "splash" of another spell caused the scar and the destruction of the body and houses. Correct me here (changing subject a bit)In the hospital wing there has been no "runes" used to heal? only potions?? edited because I can't spell- and I am sure I missed more -------------------- spirited member of Vault
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Jan 13 2006, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE(doobie @ Jan. 13 2006,22:29 ) Correct me here (changing subject a bit)In the hospital wing there has been no "runes" used to heal? only potions?? No, as far as I am aware, they haven't. That's the only slight drawback, but I still see Ari's theory panning out. It makes this all the more intriguing.... -------------------- Simply waiting for the madman with a box.. |
Jan 13 2006, 11:41 PM
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Thanks, guys! I'd just like to draw attention to one part of the quote I posted, though:
QUOTE Invite also your lineal ancestors, especially those who worked magick in their own lives, Well, Petunia is definitely family. Lily invoked the power of her family and her blood, which Petunia shares. If this is right, then that explains why DD had to deliever Harry to Petunia. QUOTE Put several drops of blood from pricking your finger with a sterilized needle or lancet and mix it with red ochre, acrylic paint, or red India ink. Draw over the symbol with the blood as you verbalize the charm's intent. There's a blood charm, like we talked about in other threads in the last few days. QUOTE Safety - Runic are powerful. If invoked or created incorrectly, or for the wrong reason, they can be dangerous. The mere creation of a runic charm may invoke the charm, even if this was not intended. I'm wondering if this is what happened. Maybe she was so desperate that she did it wrong or made it just a tad too powerful? I just think that there has to be something to this rune business. Hermione mentioned the same two runes--ehwaz and eihwaz--in both OOTP and HBP. Why mention them at all? And eiwaz is similar to a backwards lightning bolt, as is sowilo. And eiwaz is associated with the yew tree, which is what LV's wand is made of. QUOTE Sowilo: Success, goals achieved, honor. The life-force, health. A time when power will be available to you for positive changes in your life, victory, health, and success. Contact between the higher self and the unconscious. Wholeness, power, elemental force, sword of flame, cleansing fire. Sowilo Merkstave (Sowilo cannot be reversed, but may lie in opposition): False goals, bad counsel, false success, gullibility, loss of goals. Destruction, retribution, justice, casting down of vanity. Wrath of god. QUOTE Ehwaz: Transportation. May represent a horse, car, plane, boat or other vehicle. Movement and change for the better. Gradual development and steady progress are indicated. Harmony, teamwork, trust, loyalty. An ideal marriage or partnership. Confirmation beyond doubt the meanings of the runes around it. Ehwaz Reversed or Merkstave: This is not really a negative rune. A change is perhaps craved. Feeling restless or confined in a situation. Reckless haste, disharmony, mistrust, betrayal. QUOTE Eihwaz: Strength, reliability, dependability, trustworthiness. Enlightenment, endurance. Defense, protection. The driving force to acquire, providing motivation and a sense of purpose. Indicates that you have set your sights on a reasonable target and can achieve your goals. An honest man who can be relied upon. Eihwaz Reversed or Merkstave: Confusion, destruction, dissatisfaction, weakness. SowiloSowilo also increases psychic connections and abilities. Increase in spiritual will. Guidance through the pathways, "enlightenment". Victory and success through individual will. (Thorsson, Fuhark.) -------------------- The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.--Harlan Ellison
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Jan 14 2006, 12:05 AM
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Transfiguration Today's Star Reporter![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 2,026 Joined: 10:08pm June 16, 2005 Location: Salem School of Witchcraft & Wizardry,USA ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Arianhrod - you know I'm with you on this one. We have dug to deep into this stuff for me not to be.
QUOTE Quote I can't imagine Lily making a mistake about anything. Maybe she didn't have time to complete it. Or ...... Well it could have been a number of things.Safety - Runic are powerful. If invoked or created incorrectly, or for the wrong reason, they can be dangerous. The mere creation of a runic charm may invoke the charm, even if this was not intended. I'm wondering if this is what happened. Maybe she was so desperate that she did it wrong or made it just a tad too powerful? QUOTE Quote LV has that blood now too. Invite also your lineal ancestors, especially those who worked magick in their own lives, Well, Petunia is definitely family. Lily invoked the power of her family and her blood, which Petunia shares. If this is right, then that explains why DD had to deliever Harry to Petunia Luna has been looking at them upside down too. I stood on my head for a week, but I just can't figuare out the Runic puzzle that JKR created. -------------------- There you go Sirius. Nothing rash. Kept my nose clean. Exactly the opposite of what you'd have done. . . .
~ OotP - pg. 12 "And dreams are the language of God. When he speaks in our language, I can interpert what he has said. But if he speaks in the language of the soul, it is only you who can understand." ~Paulo Coelho The Alchemist |
Jan 14 2006, 12:29 AM
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Director of Nicholas Flamel Laboratories![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 11,087 Joined: 11:06am January 28, 2005 Location: Lighting the mountain path for Llewellyn ap Gryffudd ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
QUOTE I can't imagine Lily making a mistake about anything. Maybe she didn't have time to complete it. Or ...... Well it could have been a number of things. I can't, either. Maybe that, combined with the fact that she died to save him was enough. QUOTE LV has that blood now too. I think that should be our next research project! :p We still have 18 months to figure this out! QUOTE Luna has been looking at them upside down too. I stood on my head for a week, but I just can't figuare out the Runic puzzle that JKR created. Maybe I need to dig that thread up again. Me, too. I'm going to re-read that part of OOTP and see if there's anything else in there we might have missed. -------------------- The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.--Harlan Ellison
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Jan 14 2006, 11:13 AM
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Im sort of jumping in here & didnt read all the previous posts but Mokey suggested that I should post an article here that might be of interest to this topic, but before yall shoot me down in flames, I know that a magazine is not canon & is only one persons opinion.
QUOTE(~Mokey @ Jan. 13 2006,8:26 am ) Anyway, what you posted reminded me of something that we were talking about in Cursed Scars in Magical Theory. So you might post your article there too, because it's interesting. So, the reason I am posting this article is to be of interest & share it & not erm cause arguments *sigh* QUOTE The Dark Mark on Harry?
It is not exactly the Dark Mark, but something more powerful, to the extent that it has saved Harry several times. So, Dumbledore had the idea that it was Harry's mother who had protected him with her love. It seems obvious, but what seems even more so is that by protecting her son, she has also protected Voldemort from total anihilation. The mark on his forehead is the unifying link. Other factors come into play, their wands being so similar, and also Parseltongue. Everything leads us to believe that Harry and Voldemort have much more in common than just a scar. The mark goes much deeper, exposed to unexplained phenomenon. How else can one justify that Voldemort's presence is felt as a phsical pain by Harry? -------------------- I'm 1 of the 99.99% W.L.Y.J. When I sleep I dream, and when I dream I can rise above the walls Remember Cameron Duncan |
Jan 14 2006, 11:20 AM
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Director of Nicholas Flamel Laboratories![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 11,087 Joined: 11:06am January 28, 2005 Location: Lighting the mountain path for Llewellyn ap Gryffudd ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
QUOTE It seems obvious, but what seems even more so is that by protecting her son, she has also protected Voldemort from total anihilation I disagree. The Horcruxes protected LV from total annihilation, not Lily. (I know you didn't write that, Moose Starr--I'm not picking on you!) If he hadn't had those, he would have died. His body, in fact, was destroyed. -------------------- The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.--Harlan Ellison
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Jan 14 2006, 02:05 PM
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The Talking Mirror in Room 7![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 1,782 Joined: 3:34am October 31, 2005 Location: Stealing radishes in the Gorgs' garden ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I was referring to the discussion that was going on earlier about the scar being a chink in Harry's armor and perhaps LV has a 'counter-scar.' And the fact that these scars may connect the two.
I'm sorry Moose_Star I didn't realize how much the discussion had changed since then. But it's actually one we never finished, so I still think the article is relavent. As far as Lily's mother protecting LV too, I think that is somewhat true, if you believe that there is some Riddle in Harry. He has been protected within Harry. Once this protection stops I'm curious as to what will happen with that part of Riddle. -------------------- There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. -Shakespeare
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Jan 14 2006, 02:12 PM
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Director of Nicholas Flamel Laboratories![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Posts: 11,087 Joined: 11:06am January 28, 2005 Location: Lighting the mountain path for Llewellyn ap Gryffudd ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
QUOTE I was referring to the discussion that was going on earlier about the scar being a chink in Harry's armor and perhaps LV has a 'counter-scar.' That's interesting. What kind of scar? Tell me more! I'm curious. -------------------- The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.--Harlan Ellison
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