Deathly Hallows Chat Transcript, Saturday, July 26,2007 |
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[13:02] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:04] *** bemused has joined #lounge [13:05] <Aislinn> hi bemused smile [13:05] <bemused> oh hello [13:06] <bemused> I was just wondering if I'd clicked the wrong thing [13:06] *** fraelln has joined #lounge [13:06] <Aislinn> hi fraelln [13:06] <fraelln> Hi there [13:07] <bemused> hello fraelln [13:07] <Aislinn> I was just reading your reply in the draconian prince thread, bemused. [13:08] <Aislinn> I'm not surprised you disagreed with my interpretation of Jo's words smile [13:08] <bemused> oh... I don't expect you to agree [13:08] <bemused> it's the one thing we never did agree on!! [13:08] <Aislinn> I think your view of things is a lovely, romantic view. It is just not something that I find in Jo's words. [13:09] <bemused> mmm - but to my mind it's coming straight from her words [13:10] <bemused> It never ceases to intrigue me, the way anything to do with Snape polarises readers so much [13:10] <Aislinn> I think that is because each of us reads any book through the lens of our own experience and belief systems. [13:10] *** edsawyer has joined #lounge [13:10] <Aislinn> hi edsawyer [13:10] <edsawyer> hello [13:10] <edsawyer> hello [13:11] <edsawyer> hello. [13:11] <Aislinn> is the room hesitating for you, ed? [13:11] <Aislinn> that happens for me in Internet Explorer. [13:11] <edsawyer> it would seem so. [13:11] <edsawyer> very much so [13:12] <edsawyer> i'm using IE, and furthermore using the "old" interface - the new one wouldn't work for me [13:12] <edsawyer> is there nobody else here actually speaking or am I not privy to the whole discussion? [13:12] <Aislinn> that's why we have both of the interfaces up - so that people can get in, regardless of browser issues. [13:12] <Aislinn> no, it's pretty quiet right now [13:13] <Aislinn> I was wondering how everyone viewed this book, in comparison to the other six [13:13] <edsawyer> you are a mod? [13:13] <Aislinn> yes smile [13:14] <edsawyer> Well if you want me to start, five, six and seven have each left me a little bit disappointed when I finish them. Five and six have grown on my with time, so perhaps seven will too [13:15] <edsawyer> At the moment it's not my favourite HP book, or even my second or third [13:15] *** bemused left #lounge [Leaving] [13:15] <fraelln> I missed a lot on my first reading. smile Rereading it, I'm really loving all that Jo has put in it. [13:15] <edsawyer> That doesn't mean it wasn't wonderful and better than 99% of everything else out there [13:15] <Aislinn> Order of the Phoenix was tough for me the first time around too, but has grown on me a lot. [13:15] *** bemused has joined #lounge [13:15] <Aislinn> What about it disappointed you? [13:15] <Aislinn> DH, I mean [13:15] <fraelln> Yeah, it took awhile for 5 and 6 to really grow on me, but now I love them both. The audio books helped that for me. [13:16] <Aislinn> Yes, I love what I gain from hearing the books read to me in the audio versions [13:17] <bemused> me too - I pick up things from the CD reading that I haven't noticed myself [13:17] <edsawyer> If it's not a cruel thing to say I have started to wonder if JKR's fame and success has caused her eitor or editors to become less bold about offering criticism. 5, 6 and 7 could each have been highly edited and not lost anything. In the earlier books (esp. 3) JKR's pacing is spot-on. In the later books it's really, really uneven [13:17] <edsawyer> I should try the audio books versions too [13:17] *** SilentlySpellbound has joined #lounge [13:17] *** SilentlySpellbound has quit [Bye] [13:17] *** SilentlySpellbound has joined #lounge [13:17] <SilentlySpellbound> Hello biggrin [13:17] <edsawyer> Some glaring plot holes. I'm still angry at Hagry in Hogwarts wandering around saying, 'bathroom? what bathroom?' [13:17] <fraelln> I don't think that's the editing, though. The nature of 5,6, and 7 make the pacing slow down more because of everything that must be explained. [13:17] <Aislinn> hi silently [13:18] <edsawyer> Okay, the boy can forget or overlook things, but something that huge? [13:18] <edsawyer> Hello SilentlySpellbound [13:18] <Aislinn> yes, as soon as someone mentioned bathroom, I knew they were headed for the CoS [13:18] <edsawyer> Hagry means Harry not Hagrid, sorry [13:18] <Aislinn> but Harry did have a few things on him mind! [13:18] <Aislinn> his [13:18] *** SilentlySpellbound has quit [Bye] [13:18] <fraelln> Admittedly, though, the bathroom is still fresher in our (rahter obsessed ninds) than it would have been for Harry [13:19] *** aburgess68 has joined #lounge [13:19] *** JaneMarple9 has joined #lounge [13:19] <Aislinn> hi aburgess [13:19] <edsawyer> Anybody should have known the CoS. I mean, it _was_ the title of one of the seven books. It wasn't some minor plot detail... [13:19] <Aislinn> hey Jane [13:19] <JaneMarple9> hello all! [13:19] <aburgess68> Hi Aislinn [13:19] <Aislinn> but Harry's not reading the books, ed! [13:19] <fraelln> Hee! [13:19] <aburgess68> and everyone else! [13:19] <JaneMarple9> this the place for people who loved the book? biggrin [13:19] <fraelln> Hello! [13:19] <edsawyer> hello aburgess68 and JaneMarple9 [13:20] <Aislinn> I had just asked, for those that are new arrivals, how this book compared for you with the other six [13:20] <aburgess68> What about CoS? [13:20] <fraelln> It happened 5 years ago for Harry, and he was not focused on how to get to the CofS, he was more focused on the journal part being a horcrux [13:20] <JaneMarple9> it was much darker [13:20] <edsawyer> Okay, fair enough. Seeing as how there are many bathrooms at Hogwarts that Ron and Hermione might have suddenly dashed off to together... smile [13:21] <JaneMarple9> and much more adult based than the other six [13:21] <fraelln> Oi, there's a war going on! [13:21] <JaneMarple9> but by far my favourite of the series [13:21] <Aislinn> he has had moments of blindness at times - it took him forever to realize that Draco was disappearing into the RoR in HBP - I always felt that was something that he could have guessed. [13:21] <aburgess68> I will need to read them all again to get over my inital thoughts, but I still think I prefer PoA, with DH and HBP right up there. [13:21] <bemused> Well, I'd say I loved the book. It did some things I expected, some things I didn't and I reckon it's a superb piece of storytelling [13:22] <edsawyer> "Adult-based" is true - I was surprised by the language [13:22] <Aislinn> I felt it was quite an emotional roller coaster of a book [13:22] <edsawyer> btw as I saud before I _did_ love the book. I don't want to seem like a party-pooper [13:22] <bemused> yes, that's certainly true [13:22] *** DarkMagic2112 has joined #lounge [13:22] <aburgess68> I love all of the back story provided in all three [13:22] <Aislinn> I gree that there were parts that felt familiar, as they had been guessed so well on the lounge, but quite a few that were a surprise. [13:23] <bemused> Iloved the way Dumbledore's back story unfolded through different people's perceptions of it [13:23] <fraelln> Yeah, I wished I hadn't read so much of the theories. Although, there were so many surprising things- like the patronus in the wedding party [13:23] <Aislinn> yes, that was quite well done. [13:23] <JaneMarple9> I loved that some of the theories i have seen came true [13:24] <Aislinn> Dumbledore's back story was the biggest adjustment for me. [13:24] <fraelln> Yes! Bemused, I really enjoyed that. DD would be a highly controversial figure [13:24] <JaneMarple9> but I'd never have guessed the Deathly Hallows themselves [13:24] <aburgess68> I just liked knowing how right AND how wrong so many of us were smile [13:24] <edsawyer> PoA remains my favourite book. [13:24] <DarkMagic2112> I did like how they de-saintinized DD [13:24] <Aislinn> PoA is one of my favorites as well [13:24] <JaneMarple9> Dumbledore was so fascinating [13:24] <aburgess68> Ed, I think that I agree [13:24] <Aislinn> She got it so perfectly right in that one. [13:24] <JaneMarple9> it was great to learn his back story [13:24] <bemused> PoA is the one where you start to discover the depths behind the story [13:25] <Aislinn> yes it is [13:25] <JaneMarple9> and I actually felt sorry for snape :-o [13:25] <bemused> and the climax is such a brilliant piece of writing [13:25] <Aislinn> his was a sad and tragic life, Jane. [13:25] <JaneMarple9> i think snape was the most complex character in the book [13:25] <fraelln> Oh, I started feeling sorry for snape in OOtP [13:25] *** Scarlette has joined #lounge [13:25] *** birthdaymuggle has joined #lounge [13:25] <edsawyer> Well, 'de-saintizing' DD goes alongside praising Snape - in order to make Snape and Dumbeldore 'equally good', she needed to tarnish Dumbledore a bit [13:26] *** CDSmOOngaL16 has joined #lounge [13:26] <Aislinn> hi Scarlette, birthdaymuggle [13:26] <Aislinn> and CDSmOOngaL16 [13:26] <JaneMarple9> i have disliked snape from book 1....but now i begin to see why he was like that [13:26] <aburgess68> I don't feel sorry for Snape, per se, but I no longer despise him as much [13:26] <aburgess68> He is definitely the most complex character [13:26] <birthdaymuggle> Hi [13:26] <bemused> (I liked him most of the time) [13:26] <edsawyer> Snape may be one of the best-written characters in modern fiction - extravagant sentence maybe, but he's far more fascinating than even Voldemort [13:26] *** Scarlette has quit [Bye] [13:26] <birthdaymuggle> aburgess68 I am in the opposite, I feel sorry for him yet despise him [13:26] <JaneMarple9> and I'd never had believed in a million years what his patronus was - i had it down as a bat biggrin [13:26] <fraelln> I agree ed [13:26] <Aislinn> he was much more complex than Voldy, yes. [13:26] <DarkMagic2112> Very Complex character [13:27] *** lanae has joined #lounge [13:27] <aburgess68> Ah, birthdaymuggle, I see... [13:27] <CDSmOOngaL16> hi! [13:27] <Aislinn> hi lanae [13:27] <bemused> Yes - that amused me Jane [13:27] <edsawyer> I'm sorry to be so slow. My computer seems to be lagging behind everyone else's [13:27] *** lanae has quit [Bye] [13:27] <fraelln> How did we know before DH that Lily's patronus was a doe? [13:27] <Aislinn> that's ok, ed - we all experience times of lagging in here, unfortunately. [13:27] <bemused> For the first couple of chapters I really began to doubt that Snape was working for DD [13:28] <bemused> for the first time ever [13:28] <aburgess68> fraelln, I don't know that we KNEW, but I had a hunch... [13:28] <JaneMarple9> we never knew her patronus [13:28] <Aislinn> it did look dark for him at the outset. [13:28] <aburgess68> ...what with James as a stag animagus [13:28] <birthdaymuggle> fraelln, we didn't but we could have guessed- "doe eyes" [13:28] <fraelln> Ok, good, I thought I had really missed something. LOL [13:28] <DarkMagic2112> Espically when Georgers ear was sliced off [13:28] <JaneMarple9> ut as soon as i saw the doe...i knew somehow it was conencted with lily [13:28] <JaneMarple9> i thought it was lily herself...like james did in book 3 [13:28] <edsawyer> I never doubted that Snape would turn out to be a 'good guy' [13:28] <bemused> I realised he wasn't when Phineas said that the terrible punishment the kids got for trying to steal the sword was being sent into the forest with Hagrid [13:28] <Aislinn> right from the first chapter, impassively watching Burbage [13:28] <aburgess68> JaneMarple, I did too, I just couldn't figure out how [13:29] <JaneMarple9> oh yes chapter 1 [13:29] <fraelln> Oh, ed, I did. I completely bought he was evil at the end of HBP [13:29] <aburgess68> I mean, I knew she was dead, so I couldn't figure it out [13:29] <JaneMarple9> what a way to start a book! [13:29] <DarkMagic2112> Meet a character, say bye to a character, al in 1 chapter [13:29] <Aislinn> I have felt he was acting out of his own selfish interests, since shortly after HBP, and I still mainly feel that way. [13:29] <bemused> Then when we saw the doe Patronus I didn't know it was his, but I hoped [13:30] <CDSmOOngaL16> i liked how his last request in life was to see lily's eyes once more [13:30] <Aislinn> I never would have guessed the doe was his, but in part because it is hard to envision it being Lily [13:30] <JaneMarple9> yeah that was sweet [13:30] <edsawyer> Yes, JKR wasted no time in painting in very dark colours - Burbage in the first chapter is very, very twisted [13:30] <aburgess68> Aislinn, I think so too, even if those selfish interests may help others, they were still selfishly motivated (by guilt) [13:30] <Aislinn> she seems fiery like Ginny [13:30] <birthdaymuggle> I felt the doe was connected to Lily, and I also suspected Snape loved Lily, but for some reason I was too thick to connect it! [13:31] <JaneMarple9> and The Princes Tale is my favourite chapter in the book [13:31] <Aislinn> aburgess68 - yes exactly. [13:31] <bemused> I would dispute the selfish motives entirely (big surprise) [13:31] <edsawyer> Note my use of quotes around 'good guy' that he can be no saint and - even still - fit some definitions of 'evil [13:31] <Aislinn> his love of lily was inwardly focused. [13:31] <aburgess68> bemused, why? [13:31] <edsawyer> yet still be on the good team - that's what I meant. A true 'anti-hero' [13:31] <Aislinn> it was not a love that was giving, or interested in the other person [13:31] <aburgess68> BRB...my son needs OJ [13:31] <JaneMarple9> i always thought there was more to snape and lily [13:31] <Aislinn> an obsession more than a love. [13:31] <bemused> seems to me that in protecting Harry on DDs say-so he was being profoundly unselfish [13:32] <edsawyer> The last request being Lily's eyes was very beautiful [13:32] <JaneMarple9> thought they were friends and snape admired her from afar [13:32] <bemused> since the protection involved doing a lot of things he didn't want to do [13:32] <Aislinn> I think he did it to assuage his guilt, which is still a self involved motivation. [13:32] <bemused> I don't think so [13:32] <Aislinn> he didn't care about his own life at that point [13:32] <CDSmOOngaL16> i dont think so either [13:32] <Aislinn> lots of self hatred. [13:33] <bemused> I think it was positive several minutes are missing, due to connection problems [13:41] *** Aislinn has joined #lounge [13:41] *** Topic is: Discussing Deathly Hallows [13:41] <edsawyer> I wish Harry had had some reason to go to Europe [13:41] <CDSmOOngaL16> well it was set up so that no one knew their son was with him or housed with him [13:41] <JaneMarple9> Potterwatch was great [13:41] <edsawyer> Not for the purpose of seeing the world, of course smile [13:41] <loopyloonyluna> Voldemort was putting some effort into wooing the purebloods [13:42] <edsawyer> After GoF, where Europe is so important, and all the things that point to Central/Eastern Europe, why not have the boy, say, go to Albania for one of the Horcruxes? [13:42] <hp_sgfan> but I thought the Weasleys are considered blood traitors by them.. [13:42] *** hp_sgfan has quit [Bye] [13:42] *** hp_sgfan has joined #lounge [13:42] <Aislinn> they were, hp_sgfan [13:42] <DarkMagic2112> they are [13:42] <birthdaymuggle> I guess Voldy didn't want to "spill any more pure blood" [13:42] <loopyloonyluna> Look at the leeway Neville was given by Voldemort personally though [13:42] <aburgess68> I agree that it would have been cool to see more of the WW, but there is only so much that can fit into one book [13:43] *** hp_sgfan left #lounge [Leaving] [13:43] <Aislinn> there was little enough pure blood left - if he killed them all, who would follow his pureblood mantra? [13:43] <DarkMagic2112> I too am suprised that they didn't go abroad as well [13:43] *** fia has joined #lounge [13:43] *** hp_sgfan has joined #lounge [13:43] <Aislinn> hi fia [13:43] *** hp_sgfan left #lounge [Leaving] [13:43] <fia> hiya [13:43] <loopyloonyluna> According to Ron most "purebloods" are not 100% pure [13:44] <bibs> one of the most emotional parts of the whole book was hermione tortured and rons reaction and i thought wed see more of that withthe weaslys [13:44] <CDSmOOngaL16> ea they just cross anyone who isnt pure off their charts [13:44] <DarkMagic2112> bibs I agree [13:44] *** hp_sgfan has joined #lounge [13:44] <edsawyer> Since GoF, I have always thought that the Veela would have a role sooner or later. With Fleur's family coming for the wedding, I had thought "here it is!" But no importance to the Veela whatsoever... [13:44] <Aislinn> I wish Jo had given us a bit more time after the final confrontation, to see the aftermath [13:44] <aburgess68> I've wondered since CoS how far back you have to go before you're considered "pure"... [13:44] <CDSmOOngaL16> eh i thought the most emotional was harry's death walk...took me 5 tissues [13:44] <Aislinn> I wanted to see how George managed without his other half in the world [13:44] <bibs> brb [13:44] <bemused> I agree with that, Aislinn [13:45] <bemused> I think there were a lot of things that would have been interesting to round off [13:45] <fia> yeah, i wanted to hear about george coming to terms with not having fred [13:45] <DarkMagic2112> Yeah I too wish the aftermath stuff was there as well [13:45] <loopyloonyluna> IMHO the there was a lot that could have been included but wasn't [13:45] <birthdaymuggle> I agree [13:45] <Aislinn> a bit more about Teddy being raised by his grandmother, the Ministry transitioning back to a good side.... [13:45] <loopyloonyluna> JKR must have wanted to keep the length of the book down [13:45] <birthdaymuggle> I don't want to say "filler", but... some parts seemed.. i don't know [13:45] <fia> yeah, but i don't think the book wanted to be too much longer [13:45] <edsawyer> aburgess, I suspect that their concept of "purity" has a _lot_ to do with whether the wizarding line is patrilineal or matrilineal. If you've got that surname, you can be pretty 'mixed' and still be accepted as more or less 'purebloo', it seems [13:45] <aburgess68> Well, with all of the stuff we all would like, the "aftermath" could have been a completely new book! [13:46] <bemused> yes - it might have been an editorial decision [13:46] *** chocofrog has joined #lounge [13:46] <DarkMagic2112> THE ENCYLOPEDIA [13:46] <aburgess68> ed, that makes sense [13:46] <Aislinn> yes, we should learn more from that! [13:46] <fia> i think they should have had less of harry and hermione travelling and not getting much done, and more at the end [13:46] <bemused> ooh yes [13:46] <aburgess68> DarkMagic, exactly! [13:46] <bibs> im back [13:46] *** shannonleigh has joined #lounge [13:46] <edsawyer> A lot of the thing we'd have liked to see would have required a second epilogue, really - one epilogue, say, one year latwer and then a second 19 years later. [13:46] <Aislinn> I think the travels were really well done, actually. [13:46] <bemused> me too [13:46] <bibs> do you think kingslys mom [13:47] <fia> I thought it was well done, but I just wanted to get into the hallows plotline [13:47] <Aislinn> Jo did a great job of making us experience the feelings of frustration, of being stalled, that Harry and Hermione were feeling. [13:47] <DarkMagic2112> at least now, whenever someone asks Jo a question, she can answet [13:47] <loopyloonyluna> I got the feeling that everything that was in the book was there for good reason [13:47] *** sibelius has joined #lounge [13:47] <bibs> i want to know who killed lupin [13:47] <bibs> i love him [13:47] <aburgess68> My husband and I noticed thought that although she mentions them traveling all over England, even into Wales, not once do they go to Scotland smile [13:47] <DarkMagic2112> More of who killed who would have been good [13:47] <loopyloonyluna> and if the same person killed Tonks [13:47] <Aislinn> me too, bibs [13:47] <hp_sgfan> actually..even before the encyclopedia..we can look forward to the webchat...biggrin [13:48] <CDSmOOngaL16> i know i am =P [13:48] <DarkMagic2112> sgfan, when is that exactly [13:48] <CDSmOOngaL16> monday [13:48] <Aislinn> that's interesting, aburgess, but isn't Hogwarts felt to be in Scotland? [13:48] <fia> that soon? :o [13:48] <hp_sgfan> monday 2-3pm [13:48] *** gotchalk has joined #lounge [13:48] <CDSmOOngaL16> but like british time xd [13:48] <hp_sgfan> yeah.. [13:48] <DarkMagic2112> 10 am eastern [13:48] <CDSmOOngaL16> itll be 9 am for me [13:49] <fia> british time is good biggrin [13:49] <hp_sgfan> well..i'm in asia..so its nite time for me..biggrin..but then again, im on holidays now..so anytime is fine,,as long as its not 3am in the morning.. [13:49] <bibs> which monday [13:49] <edsawyer> Oh, I have a Hallows question - why was the man who was so desperate to own the Hallows that he damaged his hand and caused himself to die then proceed to spend a full year posessing both the wand and the stone - and knowing Harry has the third hallow - but never attempt to bring them together? [13:49] <sibelius> Hogwarts is assumed to be in Scotland, yes [13:49] <hp_sgfan> bibs : 30th july [13:49] <aburgess68> oh yeah...I guess that they maybe wanted to stay away from school? [13:49] <bibs> thanks [13:49] *** australia has joined #lounge [13:49] <sibelius> Dumbledore wantd to own the Hallows when he was, like, 17 [13:49] <birthdaymuggle> I hope only really excellent questions get chosen... but how likely is that? [13:50] <loopyloonyluna> I think DUmbledore was frightened of the temptations represented by the Hallows [13:50] <Aislinn> because he realized how wrong he had been ed, once he was injured by the stone - he knew he wasn't worthy to bring them together. [13:50] *** chocofrog has quit [Bye] [13:50] <bibs> get melisa to ask the questions [13:50] <sibelius> It would have been even colder in the North of England during the time they were on the run.. maybe that's why they avoided Scotland biggrin [13:50] <DarkMagic2112> I also liked the reason DD turned down the Minister Job, It wansn't because he had too much love for Hogwarts... [13:50] <hp_sgfan> he was dying anw....he cld get to see his sister soon... [13:50] <CDSmOOngaL16> it was he wasnt right for power [13:50] <hp_sgfan> though that is a rather morbid kind of reason..tongue [13:51] <loopyloonyluna> At least Dumbledore was smart enough to recognize his faults (most of the time) [13:51] <edsawyer> hmmm [13:51] <bibs> smart man dd... [13:51] <fia> in the end, but it was already too late for his sister [13:51] <sibelius> I have a Hallows question.. why wasn't Voldemort suspicious when Harry came back to life? [13:51] <CDSmOOngaL16> hahahaha i love how harry was the one that deserved to put the 3 hallows together yet he didnt want them xD [13:51] <DarkMagic2112> DD knew power corrupts, so he distanced himself from it [13:51] <bemused> must go - bye! [13:51] <Aislinn> bye bemused [13:51] <loopyloonyluna> Harry's reaction to controlling the Hallows was to lose one and hide the other [13:51] *** bemused has quit [Bye] [13:51] <bibs> byr [13:51] <hp_sgfan> bye [13:52] <australia> yeah it's precisely because he didn't want them that he ended up with all of them [13:52] <hp_sgfan> sibelius..i tink he din have much time to be surprised.. [13:52] <sibelius> I'm sure I would recognize my faults if I had any [13:52] <sibelius> [13:52] <Aislinn> he didn't have a chance to be suspicious, sibelius - he didn't know harry had come back to life until after Nagini was killed [13:52] <aburgess68> sibelius, I don't think he had time to be suspicious...it was all so sudden [13:52] *** eilonwy77 has joined #lounge [13:52] <birthdaymuggle> He was quick to believe what he wanted to [13:52] <sibelius> what? they talked for like.. ages [13:52] <hp_sgfan> until Harry put the shield up, he didn't knnow harry was alive [13:52] <CDSmOOngaL16> i think i would have been like DUDE DONT YOU DIE??!!?? [13:52] <edsawyer> CDSmOOngaL, about Harry not wanting to put the 3 hallows together, that's kind of a trend going back to the Mirror of Erised - that Harry succeeds because hos motivations for wanting things are differewnt from 'ordinary' people's [13:53] <aburgess68> First Harry was dead, then Nagini dies, then Harry's alive and trying to save people again [13:53] <sibelius> I do too.. one of those 'Why won't you DIE?" lines, like in the movies biggrin [13:53] <DarkMagic2112> Like in Austin Powers "Why wont you die" [13:53] <Aislinn> exactly, ed. [13:53] <sibelius> Yep.. V AK'd Harry twice [13:53] <bibs> its the whole mirror of erised thing - one who didnt want to use the stone was the one who got it. la [13:53] <sibelius> and it never worked [13:53] <CDSmOOngaL16> if harry did die would he still be the boy who lived? [13:53] <sibelius> yet he tried it again [13:53] <sibelius> he'd be the boy who lived... for a while biggrin [13:53] <aburgess68> well, no one ever said that V was the SMARTEST person ever... [13:54] <bibs> harry was worthy for same reasons in ss and mirror isident [13:54] <aburgess68> he may have been smart in school [13:54] <Aislinn> Voldy was quite blind in many ways. [13:54] <hp_sgfan> the boy who lived to die again? =D [13:54] <sibelius> some of them a little.. convenient [13:54] <sibelius> [13:54] <aburgess68> but in the real world, he sure made a lot of mistakes [13:54] <loopyloonyluna> Voldy was arogant to the point of stupidity [13:54] <edsawyer> Of course, Harry kida did die - I mean, kinda... [13:54] <bibs> he underestimated youth [13:54] <DarkMagic2112> The boy who lived....came close to dying several times.....eventually did die, but came back.....still alive [13:54] <fia> voldy was especially stupid with the room of requirement thing [13:54] <sibelius> also, another question: why did Gryffindor have a sword? Wizards fight with wands [13:54] <edsawyer> He's the boy who lived.. then died... then lived again. That'll make the toasts complicated in years to come [13:54] <bibs> witch is hos greatest weakness [13:55] <aburgess68> loopy, that, and conceited [13:55] <sibelius> surely a sword would be like.. cheating [13:55] <hp_sgfan> sibelius..its hard to say..he lived like..long long long long ago.. [13:55] <CDSmOOngaL16> ummm and another thing...why must they keep aking everything since obviously that didnt work? y didnt voldy just...you now...cuz harry;s head off? [13:55] <hp_sgfan> maybe they used wands and swords.. [13:55] <loopyloonyluna> never bring a knife to a gunfight, or a sword to a wandfight [13:55] <CDSmOOngaL16> cut* [13:56] <sibelius> if he cut off his head, Madam Pomfrey would just grow it back [13:56] <aburgess68> sibelius, things were different then... [13:56] <hp_sgfan> voldy din haf a sword to cut off his head? [13:56] <edsawyer> I think DD gets it right about LV when he says LV doesn't bother to think about - to consider - things he doesn't consider worthy. It's his blind spot - but a huge, gaping black hole of a blind spot [13:56] <sibelius> nobody else has a sword [13:56] <bibs> brb [13:56] <hp_sgfan> siblius, don 't think u can grow back a head tho.... [13:56] <sibelius> Madma Pomfrey can do ANYTHING biggrin [13:56] <hp_sgfan> well..no one else has that hat either [13:56] <fia> nobody else has a sword that's mentioned, they might do though :P [13:56] <sibelius> they all have hats [13:56] <CDSmOOngaL16> and one more question...how come the elder wnd was so quick to kill harry before the whole speech? [13:56] <hp_sgfan> she can't bring dead pple back to life..biggrin [13:56] <aburgess68> CDSmOOngaL16, VM wouldn't do that...too muggle-ish [13:56] <CDSmOOngaL16> was the wand listening? [13:56] <loopyloonyluna> I saw an interesting idea-how was Voldy supposed to get control of the wand form Snape when Nagini was the one to defeat him? [13:57] <DarkMagic2112> One thing that shocked me was Dudley, that was a awesome departure for him. I also liked the fact (while still massive) Isn't unfit and overweight, and that 3 years of boxing turned him into (Quotiong from The Waterboy) A finely tuned athletic Machine [13:57] <sibelius> oh, like secret swords? [13:57] <fia> well, nagini's practically voldy, he's got a part of him in nagini [13:57] <shannonleigh> well, nagini was set to kill snape by voldemort, plus nagini is a horcrux, so maybe that could explain it [13:57] <edsawyer> Why not cut off his head? Come on, the whole book is about wandlore - LV puts _so much importance_ in the wand thing that he wouldn't have it done any other way. Swords are for muggles [13:57] <sibelius> and Godric [13:57] <loopyloonyluna> I liked the new Dudley, there's hope for him yet [13:58] <edsawyer> Though curious that Bellatrix - master of the wand - starts using a dagger. I didn't really get that [13:58] <hp_sgfan> agree..there's hope for dudley.. [13:58] <sibelius> with THOSE parents? Dudders will be in therapy for decades biggrin [13:58] <australia> well if bella knew they were disapparating, i don't think throwing her wand would have done much damage [13:58] <loopyloonyluna> Harry seems to have come out alright though [13:58] <birthdaymuggle> I see Dudders and Harry being on at least cordial terms in adulthood [13:58] <hp_sgfan> she didn't have her wand when they were disapparating [13:58] <edsawyer> I do wonder why JKR gave Dudley that flash of humanity [13:59] <hp_sgfan> harry had her wand or soemthing.. [13:59] <edsawyer> I might have expected that from Petunia more than Dudley [13:59] <Aislinn> someone in that family needed to have a shred of humanity,a nd Harry had saved his life. [13:59] <sibelius> it's a love they enemy thing.. foreshadows the whole Kreacher conversion [13:59] <shannonleigh> well, even dudley must be happy that harry saved his life...that must have meant something to him [13:59] <edsawyer> sad I'm lagging, like, half an hour behind everyone else... [13:59] <loopyloonyluna> presumable she could threaten Hermione with the dagger and still have her wand free for others [13:59] <DarkMagic2112> to show Dud isn't the same perosn from book 1 [13:59] <fia> i think it was too late for petunia, she'd spent her whole life hating wizards [14:00] <birthdaymuggle> exactly fia [14:00] <CDSmOOngaL16> y was the elder wand so quick to kill harry in the forest but then wouldnt kill him in hogwarts? [14:00] <Aislinn> I really thought we were going to hear from her in this book [14:00] <Aislinn> but in a way we did, through Snape's memories [14:00] <bibs> im back [14:00] <loopyloonyluna> Harry wanted the wand to kill him the first time to kill the Horcrux [14:00] <edsawyer> Oh wait, about Bellatrix - perhaps I'm confused. When is her wand expelliarmused? Before or after she's got her dagger to Hermione's throat? [14:00] <edsawyer> If it's before then of course ignore all I've said... smile [14:01] *** sibelius has quit [Bye] [14:01] <hp_sgfan> ed..i tink it was after [14:01] <birthdaymuggle> But Dudley overcame, at least a little bit, the situation he was raised in. Petunia was already an adult allowing the abuse of a child fore years. [14:01] <hp_sgfan> oooh..wait.. [14:01] <hp_sgfan> can i change that to before? lol [14:01] <loopyloonyluna> I can't remember when she lost her wand but a second weapon would come in handy in any case [14:01] <aburgess68> GTG...see you all later [14:01] *** Pleshette has joined #lounge [14:01] <hp_sgfan> ron expelled her wand when she was gg to hand hermione to greyback or something? [14:01] *** aburgess68 has quit [Bye] [14:01] <DarkMagic2112> Dudley had a huge character evolution over the books [14:02] <edsawyer> Almost _every_ child in the book is offered some form of redemption - maybe that's JKR's message (it _ius_ a kids' series, after all) - while you're a child, it's never too late to redeem yourself. [14:02] <hp_sgfan> i think? i remember Ron doing the expelliarmus.. [14:02] <CDSmOOngaL16> had to be hermione or something...she got bella's wand didnt she? [14:02] <bibs> i get sad should i go get my book [14:02] <DarkMagic2112> spoiled and fat-------Built and Caring no more polar oppisates that that [14:02] <loopyloonyluna> I'll be back-I hope [14:02] <shannonleigh> ed...that's true, we see it with draco, of course, as well [14:02] <fia> i think she'd let most people redeem themselves, snape was at least mainly redeemed [14:03] <birthdaymuggle> Not entirely in my eyes ;) [14:03] <hp_sgfan> i think harry got bella's wand..he got like..2 or 3 wands out of malfoys' manor? [14:03] <australia> do you guys think voldemort would have been more powerful and fearful if he hadn't split his soul into horcruxes? [14:03] <birthdaymuggle> about snape i meant. He was still so cruel [14:03] <CDSmOOngaL16> i dont [14:03] <CDSmOOngaL16> at all [14:03] <bibs> ive still got a cob on with sirius so ill defend snape [14:03] <hp_sgfan> it wasnt hermione who got bella's wand, cos bella's wand wasn't working too well for her wasnt it? [14:03] <Aislinn> voldemort fatally weakened himself by splitting his soul [14:03] <CDSmOOngaL16> he would have been less evil [14:03] <CDSmOOngaL16> less powerful [14:03] <Aislinn> but he was still quite formidable. [14:04] <australia> but he might have been smarter [14:04] <DarkMagic2112> Talking about Bella, who things there was something between her and LV [14:04] <CDSmOOngaL16> psht right [14:04] <australia> underestimated less [14:04] <CDSmOOngaL16> hahahaha [14:04] <bibs> more weary [14:04] <CDSmOOngaL16> lv and bella? NO WAY...bella wished -_- [14:04] <Aislinn> and yes, birthdaymuggle - snape was still quite cruel [14:04] <fia> i think bella liked him, but i don't think voldy was capable [14:04] <bibs> *mimicks evil laugh* [14:04] *** gotchalk has quit [Bye] [14:04] <birthdaymuggle> Voldy knew about lust [14:04] <Aislinn> none of that is negated by what we learned, although it may mitigate it a tiny bit. [14:04] <birthdaymuggle> I am sure he used Bella in that way [14:04] <fia> that's why i said partially redeemed, snape still hated muggles and acted wrong in lots of ways [14:04] <DarkMagic2112> But have you ever seen LV care about the death of a death eater so much [14:04] <JaneMarple9> voldie underestimated harry [14:05] <DarkMagic2112> his anger sent 3 people across a room [14:05] <Aislinn> he regretted the loss of that particular tool, DarkMagic2112 [14:05] <hp_sgfan> darkmagic, i think he didn't care because it was bella..its more like because she was the last DE [14:05] <Aislinn> for how he could use that tool in the future [14:05] <CDSmOOngaL16> it was his last true follower [14:05] <Aislinn> but it didn't stop him [14:05] <bibs> voldy must of atleast been able to tell whether a girl was cute or not [14:05] <bibs> unless... [14:05] <DarkMagic2112> and he was about to kill Molly for REVENGE, the first time hes killed for revenge since he killed his father [14:06] <Pleshette> I think he was upset because the one DE who would do anything for him was gone, not because he cared for her or about her [14:06] *** KEB has joined #lounge [14:06] <Aislinn> agreed pleshette, and hi! [14:06] <Pleshette> Hello! [14:06] <CDSmOOngaL16> yea he didnt care for anyone but himselfe [14:06] <CDSmOOngaL16> i was gunna say anything [14:06] <Pleshette> Voldemort used people; he didn't value anyone's life but his own [14:06] <CDSmOOngaL16> but the objects he housed peices of his soul in were pretty importznt t him [14:07] <DarkMagic2112> I am not trying to say that LV loved Bella, but cared for, and he might have concidered her his only true friend [14:07] <Aislinn> more important than the people around him, yes. [14:07] *** Ana has joined #lounge [14:07] <edsawyer> I think Bella worshipped LV in a way that might have suggested... um, well 'romantic inclinations' for lack of a better word. But I don't think LV had the humanity left to 'have somerthing' with anyone [14:07] *** Essence_of_Insanity has joined #lounge [14:07] <Aislinn> hi keb, ana, Essence_of_Insanity [14:07] <Ana> Hi everyone [14:07] <fia> hi ana [14:07] <hp_sgfan> the idea of LV thinking of anyone as a friend is kind of freaky.. [14:07] <Pleshette> I agree edsawyer [14:07] *** llamalady has joined #lounge [14:07] <Aislinn> hello llamalady [14:08] <bibs> i heard a rummor that voldy liked musicals (if you catch my drift [14:08] <Aislinn> so, what was the most surprising part of this book for people? [14:08] *** ProngsPatronus has joined #lounge [14:08] <australia> if it's possibly for LV to have followers but not friends, i think it's possibly for him to have a "romantic relationship" with bella without any real romance [14:08] *** BellaQuixotic has joined #lounge [14:08] <Aislinn> hello prongs smile [14:08] <llamalady> hello to you all - oh darn my son just woke up, will try to join again before the end [14:08] <ProngsPatronus> hey there! [14:08] <Pleshette> He used whatever it was about each person and twisted it to get them to do his bidding [14:08] <hp_sgfan> hedwig and dobby dying!! OH MY GOODNESS!! T_T [14:08] <fia> that harry was a horcrux, i just didn't think she'd do that [14:08] <Aislinn> hi bella [14:08] <bibs> hey [14:08] <ProngsPatronus> thought I would pop in and see if you needed some help [14:08] <Ana> Aislinn for me it had to be the fact that Lily and Snape knew each other duirng childhood [14:08] <JaneMarple9> awww don't get me started on poor dobby [14:08] <BellaQuixotic> hi Aislinn! [14:09] <birthdaymuggle> I think LV valued Bellatrix over his other DEs...he may not have cared about her, but he could possibly have felt slightly more connected to her than to his other servants [14:09] <JaneMarple9> that death really made me sad [14:09] *** llamalady left #lounge [Leaving] [14:09] <hp_sgfan> i bawled my eyes out when dobby died..n harry buried him.. [14:09] <Aislinn> yes, dobby's death was truly heartbreaking [14:09] <BellaQuixotic> Bellatrix was the most crazy and devoted of them all [14:09] <bibs> me too [14:09] <fia> yeah, dobby's death was really emotional [14:09] <Aislinn> I was sobbing so hard I couldn't breathe [14:09] <DarkMagic2112> BM i can agree with that [14:09] *** KEB left #lounge [Leaving] [14:09] <hp_sgfan> harry...potter.... [14:09] <Ana> yeah Dobby's death was a heartbreaker [14:10] <bibs> imy mugglenet book said dobbys chance of dying was 100/1 [14:10] <bibs> i hate muggle net [14:10] <Pleshette> I think the only DE Voldy truly valued was Snape; I think he was blindsided by Snape's ability to appear so devoted [14:10] <Aislinn> I was most surprised by what we learned of Dumbledore's back story [14:10] *** KEB has joined #lounge [14:10] <birthdaymuggle> I loved Dobby, totally wasn't expecting him to be killed off [14:10] <australia> when i thought harry was gonna die, that was the toughest part of the book for me [14:10] <BellaQuixotic> He saw through Wormtail obviously and cursed the hand, and all of the others failed him in someway. [14:10] <birthdaymuggle> Agreed aislinn [14:10] <JaneMarple9> i was amazed by dumbledores back story [14:10] <Pleshette> close to an equal [14:10] <KEB> I loved the fact that Molly killed Bella! [14:10] <ProngsPatronus> yes, that was a shocker, wasn't it? [14:10] <edsawyer> Aislinn, most surprising part for me was Snape and Lily being childhood friends [14:10] <DarkMagic2112> Dobby died saving 6 lives, 7 including 1 goblin [14:10] <edsawyer> I didn't expect that. And also I agree about Dobby - Hedwig too [14:10] <JaneMarple9> who would have said dumbledore was attracted by the dark arts??? [14:10] <fia> i didn't expect dumbledore's backstory, but once we'd got into it i didn't find it that surprising that he had a darker past [14:10] <Aislinn> it's interesting - I had a feeling that Snape knew Lily and Petunia as a child [14:11] <bibs> stated reason for not expecting dobbys death above [14:11] <hp_sgfan> agree with DD backstory [14:11] <JaneMarple9> thank goodness he saw the error of his ways [14:11] <shannonleigh> yes, i too was surprised by how important dumbledore and his backstory was to the book, considering he was dead [14:11] <Aislinn> I was sure that he was the one that Petunia meant when she said "that awful boy" [14:11] <JaneMarple9> yes ainslinn, i thought that too [14:11] <BellaQuixotic> me too Aislinn! [14:11] <Pleshette> Me too Aislinn [14:11] <BellaQuixotic> but not many people seemed to agree [14:11] <birthdaymuggle> Was DD attracted to the Dark Arts exactly? Or just power??? [14:11] <BellaQuixotic> Power, I thought [14:11] <DarkMagic2112> power [14:11] <australia> yeah [14:11] <JaneMarple9> had two choices for "that awful boy" - snape or sirius [14:11] <bibs> i thought it was snape [14:11] <hp_sgfan> power [14:11] <Pleshette> I think Power birthdaymuggle [14:11] <loopyloonyluna> I always thought Snape was "that awful boy" [14:11] <ProngsPatronus> I think it was power and fame [14:12] <shannonleigh> well, i had no idea petunia was referring to snape, so it surprised me at least [14:12] <CDSmOOngaL16> he too didnt want to die - power [14:12] <Aislinn> He wasn't attracted to Dark Arts - he was attracted to a notion that he thought would prevent anything like what happened to his sister [14:12] <ProngsPatronus> interesting that he had a Slytherin moment, isn't it? [14:12] <JaneMarple9> and his sister sad [14:12] <BellaQuixotic> he did distance himself from Grindenwald, which was a huge step away from the Dark Arts. He ultimately wanted to be the master of death [14:12] <Aislinn> and was arrogant enough to believe that he knew best what the world needed, and that he could provide it. [14:12] <birthdaymuggle> Thats what I thought, though his past certainly was dark in a different sense [14:12] <bibs> did any one think harry = horcrux (raises hand and feels pleased with self [14:12] *** cathiecat has joined #lounge [14:12] <JaneMarple9> and aberforth breaking albus's nose - i had that down for grindelwald [14:12] <CDSmOOngaL16> *raises hand as well* [14:13] <hp_sgfan> no..never believed harry was a horcrux.....lol [14:13] <fia> i really thought that harry would not be a horcrux [14:13] <Pleshette> I didn't want to believe that Harry was a horcrux [14:13] <Aislinn> I really didn't want to believe that Harry was a Horcrux, but we've known he had a piece of Voldy in him since CoS, when DD told him that [14:13] <JaneMarple9> i hated the theory [14:13] <hp_sgfan> though i did believe he was going to die [14:13] <JaneMarple9> but it was nicely managed [14:13] <CDSmOOngaL16> really i realised that once they told what a horcrux was...it explained everything [14:13] <DarkMagic2112> i hated the thory as well [14:13] <birthdaymuggle> I was convinced harry=horcrux, the moment DD closed his eyes about to tell snape had me on the edge of my seat [14:13] <Pleshette> When I learned that in the book, I was convinced Harry was walking to his death [14:13] <Aislinn> it's probably just semantics, but since it was completley unintentional, I don't think of it as a Horcrux [14:13] <bibs> i cheered cause im never right and then cried cause i didnt want to be right [14:13] <CDSmOOngaL16> hey if he isn no longer a horcrux is he no longer a parseltongue? [14:13] <Essence_of_Insanity> I had a hard time believing that Harry was a horcrux. [14:13] <JaneMarple9> and at least it wasn't his scar [14:13] <Pleshette> boy, did I bawl! lol [14:13] <edsawyer> I have a question that I know has already been discussed a million times over - the one who learns magic late... Does anyone agree with me that that was Crabbe, who might not have been a squib but certainly wasn't especially talented? [14:13] <DarkMagic2112> but didnt the origional theroy state that LV made harry a horcrux intentonally [14:14] <Essence_of_Insanity> I think so. [14:14] <ProngsPatronus> yes [14:14] <hp_sgfan> darkmagic..i think so [14:14] <Ana> DarkMagic Voldemort didn't mean to make Harry a Horcux [14:14] <ProngsPatronus> so how could we know, given the info we had? [14:14] <Pleshette> I've seen different ones DM...some intentional and some accidental [14:14] <bibs> i thought he was an accidental crux [14:14] <birthdaymuggle> me too bibs [14:14] <Aislinn> Voldy did not make Harry a Horcrux intentionally - he didn't even know a piece of himself was in Harry [14:15] <birthdaymuggle> I was a little shocked that Crabbe was *pure evil* [14:15] <DarkMagic2112> I know that LV didnt mean, but I was just asking if that was what the origional theory said [14:15] <ProngsPatronus> what did y'all think was that mewling thing in the king's Cross scene? [14:15] <hp_sgfan> i still can't figure it out though..how did Voldy make Harry a horcrux? i thought you needed some spell or something.. [14:15] <australia> what do you think LV would have done if he knew about harry being a horcrux? [14:15] <CDSmOOngaL16> if that peice is gone n he is no longer a crux...did he lose parseltongue abilities? [14:15] <Ana> I think it was mentioned on King's Cross that Dumbledore said that Voldemort unknowingly made Harry into a Horcrux [14:15] <Aislinn> it was pretty gruesome, prongs [14:15] <hp_sgfan> prongs -> it was voldy ..or maybe 1/8 of him.. [14:15] <BellaQuixotic> Voldemort's soul was incredibly unstable [14:15] *** Ginny10 has joined #lounge [14:15] <BellaQuixotic> that night [14:15] <bibs> i went al little bit omygodwhajushappend! when crabbe died [14:16] *** shannonleigh has quit [Bye] [14:16] <CDSmOOngaL16> crab will not be missed [14:16] <ProngsPatronus> I wonder what happened to it [14:16] <Ana> ITA CDS [14:16] <Aislinn> even in that in between state, it was interesting that Harry at first had an impulse to try to help that mewling thing [14:16] <bibs> agreed [14:16] *** KEB has quit [Bye] [14:16] <birthdaymuggle> I love Malfoy saying "the door's THAT way!" What an ass. [14:17] <Aislinn> he remained a coward through the end of the book [14:17] <birthdaymuggle> I thought he might redeem himself a bit more. [14:17] <birthdaymuggle> yep [14:17] <Ana> I love Harry's line after the moment with Ron and Hermione saying Oi, there's a war going on here [14:17] <hp_sgfan> aislinn..agree with u.. [14:17] <bibs> we all have toadmit the malfoys have lovely hair [14:17] <CDSmOOngaL16> HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHAH [14:17] <Aislinn> but had a glimmer of potential when he didn't readily admit to recognizing Harry when they were captured [14:17] <ProngsPatronus> I also wonder if malfoy incurred a wizard's debt towards harry, because harry saved his life [14:17] <DarkMagic2112> Mafloy's role seemed a little anti-climatic in this book, [14:18] <birthdaymuggle> really? [14:18] <Aislinn> he probably did, Prongs [14:18] <birthdaymuggle> I enjoyed it [14:18] <Ana> I wonder what his son is like [14:18] <Ginny10> they saved him like three times [14:18] <bibs> feretface! that can be dracos new nick name [14:18] <ProngsPatronus> and perhaps that is why he nodded at the hogwarts train at the end [14:18] <DarkMagic2112> I thought somthing hugh would happen, from the way his character had been shaped over the first 6 books [14:18] <Aislinn> grudging respect, that. [14:18] <Ginny10> I wonder who he married [14:18] <loopyloonyluna> I had hoped that some of the Slytherin students would stand against LV [14:18] <JaneMarple9> pansy smile [14:19] <CDSmOOngaL16> hahaaahha nah [14:19] <JaneMarple9> only one who'd had him! [14:19] <CDSmOOngaL16> jo woul have admited that [14:19] <birthdaymuggle> DM I thought the something huge was in HBP [14:19] <hp_sgfan> can i just ask..if anyone got irritated or annoyed by hermione with her constant it-cant-be-true cos its not in the books stuff? i noe its very Hermione..but I was slightly irritated.. [14:19] <DarkMagic2112> pansy, is that canon yet [14:19] <Aislinn> I still wonder if a few of them came back with that last wave of supporters, at the end of the battle. [14:19] <edsawyer> The Kings Cross scene disturbed me - not just for its obvious 'this is going to be a movie some day' feel but also becuase of its quasi-religious overtones [14:19] <ProngsPatronus> with Slughorn [14:19] <JaneMarple9> well pansy always seemed fond of draco [14:19] <fia> surely jk would have said that it was pansy if it was her though? [14:19] <Ana> fia I agree [14:19] <Aislinn> yes, with Slughorn. [14:19] <edsawyer> I've known for a while that JKR was going to inject a little religion into the books - a thought which has made me uncomfortable [14:20] <Aislinn> She admitted that years ago, ed [14:20] <edsawyer> But the Kings Cross just remonded me of a million Hollywood portrayals of near-death visions of the 'afterworld' [14:20] <loopyloonyluna> I think Draco's wife is an unknown character [14:20] <ProngsPatronus> well, I think that it wasn't religion, but the hero's journey [14:20] <Ginny10> I didn't think Draco liked Pansy that much [14:20] <CDSmOOngaL16> mabye a muggle! [14:20] <bibs> he maried milicent bulstrode! [14:20] <Aislinn> but I really liked it, and the fact that it was a classic theme does not mean she took it from Hollywood [14:20] <bibs> lol [14:20] <hp_sgfan> I think the train station itself is just symbolic [14:20] <Ginny10> that would be funny [14:20] <DarkMagic2112> Well we will find out alot of Canon come Monday [14:20] <fia> he would never marry a muggle [14:20] <Ana> do you think Scorpius will have the same attitude like Draco? [14:20] <australia> what muggle would allow her son to be named scorpius? [14:21] <JaneMarple9> i didn't mind the religious connection [14:21] <Aislinn> the train station was integral to her whole story [14:21] <Aislinn> she thought Harry up on a train [14:21] <CDSmOOngaL16> that was what made it funny [14:21] <Ana> what happens Monday Darkmagic [14:21] <Essence_of_Insanity> I love the whole "Hero's Journey" chapter. Harry had to take it. You can tell she's well read in the classic mythology. [14:21] <hp_sgfan> ana..its the webchat with jo [14:21] <DarkMagic2112> Chat with Jo [14:21] <JaneMarple9> after all the Narnia series was religious based [14:21] <Aislinn> Harry's threshold was the train station, right in th efirst book. [14:21] *** lilypetal has joined #lounge [14:21] <hp_sgfan> i think the chat's gonna hang or something..tongue [14:22] <Ginny10> in the interview with Today she gave extra details [14:22] <ProngsPatronus> yes--and we had come to a full circle--Harry on the train in the first, his children in the last [14:22] <Ana> do u think Neville is the Head of Gryffindor? [14:22] <birthdaymuggle> Yes! [14:22] <CDSmOOngaL16> YEA! [14:22] <bibs> i hopeso [14:22] <hp_sgfan> probably [14:22] <birthdaymuggle> Definitely [14:22] <DarkMagic2112> Most likley [14:22] <Pleshette> There were a lot of full circle moments [14:22] <Aislinn> he would be an apt choice. [14:22] <bibs> i think kingsley mom [14:22] <DarkMagic2112> McGonagalls probably retired [14:22] <JaneMarple9> ooooo Professor Longbottom [14:22] *** dilly70 has joined #lounge [14:22] *** dilly70 has quit [Bye] [14:22] <CDSmOOngaL16> yea ak rebounding in the first book and again in this book to inally do he deed [14:22] <JaneMarple9> that made the series complete for me [14:22] <Aislinn> Jo told us that McGonagall retired. [14:22] <ProngsPatronus> I wonder who is head of Hogwarts now [14:23] *** eilonwy77 has quit [Bye] [14:23] <birthdaymuggle> I loved Nevilles role in this book [14:23] <Ana> Prongs what is what I'm wondering [14:23] *** snady has joined #lounge [14:23] <Ginny10> What does Ginny do? [14:23] <CDSmOOngaL16> she said someone new [14:23] <JaneMarple9> my all time favourite character in the series being a Professor in the spilogue [14:23] <Aislinn> me too birthdaymuggle [14:23] <hp_sgfan> maybe Hagrid is headmaster tongue [14:23] <DarkMagic2112> she said she was getting on a bit, thats why she's not headmistress [14:23] <ProngsPatronus> flitwick, maybe? [14:23] <JaneMarple9> neville totally ruled! [14:23] <Ana> how do you get the different colors? [14:23] <edsawyer> Sure the train represented journey from one life to another [14:23] <ProngsPatronus> click on the << at the bottom right, ana [14:23] <Aislinn> down in the lower right hand corner, depending on which browser and which interface you are using ana [14:23] <edsawyer> And of course 'choice' - choice being maybe JKR's principal theme [14:24] *** BellaQuixotic has quit [Bye] [14:24] <bibs> john noe would probably want grubly plank to be head teacher [14:24] *** lilypetal left #lounge [] [14:24] <hp_sgfan> lol [14:24] <edsawyer> But, I don't know... the whiteness and the "where am i? where are my clothes?" i could just imagine cheesy harp music and a kind of distant echo on their voices [14:24] <Ginny10> someone new [14:24] <Aislinn> and the train represented, at the end, Harry's full integration of the knowledge he had gained in his hero journey [14:24] <ProngsPatronus> what did y'all like best about the book? [14:24] <JaneMarple9> the princes tale [14:24] <JaneMarple9> got to be [14:24] <hp_sgfan> prongs: the long awaited kiss for one..biggrin [14:24] <edsawyer> Neville and head of Gryffindor is a great idea - and logical [14:24] <Ginny10> the ending [14:25] <DarkMagic2112> The whole frggin thing [14:25] <bibs> all of it [14:25] <Essence_of_Insanity> The Prince's Tale. [14:25] <Aislinn> The wand lore was fascinating [14:25] <birthdaymuggle> I loved like the last 1/3 of the book [14:25] <birthdaymuggle> genius [14:25] <ProngsPatronus> I loved Beedle's Tales [14:25] <Ginny10> change: everything [14:25] <JaneMarple9> everything! [14:25] <birthdaymuggle> XENO LOVEGOOD [14:25] <birthdaymuggle> ahhhh [14:25] <Aislinn> I felt so sad for Xeno [14:25] <Ginny10> he annoyed me [14:25] <Pleshette> I loved Ron coming to Harry's rescue, Molly vs. Bella, The Prince's Tale... [14:25] <DarkMagic2112> the last 4th of the book covers only 1 day of events or something like that [14:25] <JaneMarple9> i wasn't overly fond of the epilogue i wanted it longer [14:25] <ProngsPatronus> I would love it if she would write a full version of them! [14:25] <Pleshette> Hagrid carrying Harry broke my heart [14:26] <fia> i quite liked xeno, but i just loved seeing luna's room! [14:26] <bibs> who cheered for john noe when dawlish was mentioned [14:26] <JaneMarple9> the fake potters...genius [14:26] <Aislinn> Yes, Pleshette - Ron's return was really well done. [14:26] <Ana> I loved Ron coming back [14:26] <Aislinn> I loved that chapter. [14:26] <bibs> *sraises own hand* [14:26] <birthdaymuggle> When Ron saved Harry I was like "Gimme a break!" [14:26] <Ginny10> Loved Moll v Bella [14:26] <hp_sgfan> i heard on pottercast that from the gringotts chap to the end it was one day.. [14:26] <Ana> I also loved Kreacher's Tale chapter and the Prince's Tale [14:26] <fia> i just kept laughing when i saw dawlish! [14:26] <birthdaymuggle> The explanation was good for Ron's return later on though [14:26] <edsawyer> Prongs - the Prince's Tale [14:26] <Aislinn> Ron's struggle with his fears from the horcrux was so affecting. [14:26] <edsawyer> But yes the whole thing [14:26] *** bossche has joined #lounge [14:27] <ProngsPatronus> what did you think about Nagini killing snape? [14:27] <CDSmOOngaL16> eww [14:27] <Pleshette> Neville standing up to Voldemort was awesome! [14:27] <hp_sgfan> kreacher: perhaps once more, master harry, for luck?? [14:27] <JaneMarple9> frightening [14:27] <birthdaymuggle> Aislinn I agree [14:27] <birthdaymuggle> Poor Ron [14:27] <JaneMarple9> oh kreacher laugh [14:27] <edsawyer> Luna's room too [14:27] <bibs> well i have a cob on with sirius so i cried for snape [14:27] <Ginny10> lol [14:27] <CDSmOOngaL16> HAHAHHAHAHAHA oh yea kreacher beating him over the head xD [14:27] <fia> kreacher was such a cutie by the end! [14:27] <JaneMarple9> I absolutely loved Kreacher to bits [14:27] <Aislinn> it was a tragic ending that was so inevitable, almost, prongs. [14:27] <birthdaymuggle> ed thats right! i was very touched by lunas room [14:27] *** NYBookworm has joined #lounge [14:27] <fia> him hacking at people's ankles for master regalus! [14:27] <JaneMarple9> what a difference a ffake locket can make! [14:27] <Ginny10> lol [ This post has been edited by Aislinn: Jul 28 2007, 02:15 PM |
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[14:27] <ProngsPatronus> hey, NYB
[14:27] <NYBookworm> hi [14:28] <Ana> Hi NYB [14:28] <DarkMagic2112> Kreacher was happy, I wonder how he now will react to Sirius' mom [14:28] *** Ginny10 has quit [Bye] [14:28] <hp_sgfan> darkmagic..interesting thought.. [14:28] <ProngsPatronus> do you wonder where they lived afterwards? [14:28] <CDSmOOngaL16> and all harry had to do was be nice to hin [14:28] <loopyloonyluna> I did sort of wonder about where they lived [14:28] <bibs> i love kreature [14:28] <hp_sgfan> prongs: yeah..but I think they probably lived close to each other and the burrow.. [14:28] <birthdaymuggle> Haha I'd like to think Harry lives right nextdoor to R + Hr [14:29] <ProngsPatronus> I think they lived in shell cottage [14:29] <CDSmOOngaL16> thatd be cute [14:29] <Pleshette> I wondered about what they went on to do...what profession [14:29] <Aislinn> why would they live in Bill's cottage? [14:29] *** snady has quit [Bye] [14:29] *** australia left #lounge [Leaving] [14:29] <hp_sgfan> ples-> jo said harry n ron become aurors [14:29] <ProngsPatronus> harry and Ron were aurors, I believe [14:29] <Ana> I think that they live near the Burrow [14:29] <Aislinn> I think they created their own lovely home, much like shell cottage. [14:29] <Pleshette> I guess Rowling left that for us to continue speculating about smile [14:29] <hp_sgfan> hermione is high up on the dept of magical law enforcement [14:29] <DarkMagic2112> I see Harry living in London [14:29] <loopyloonyluna> JKR said that Harry and Ron are Aurors, Hermione is in Magical LAw [14:29] <bibs> i think george took on lee jorden as his partner in www [14:29] <Ana> Prongs I don't think so because Harry has to worry about the Elder wand [14:29] <CDSmOOngaL16> she told us in today interview - harry n rod became aurors and hermione was pretty high up in wizarding police or something like that [14:30] <Aislinn> yes [14:30] <Pleshette> Okay, I haven't seen that yet...thanks [14:30] <ProngsPatronus> that's an interesting thought, ana [14:30] <DarkMagic2112> they Revolutionized the Auror office [14:30] <loopyloonyluna> I do hope George kept up with the shop. It would keep Fred alive in a sense [14:30] <Aislinn> she said it is no longer the same Ministry it was through the books. [14:30] <Ana> i think they could be trainers [14:30] <Aislinn> they changed it from within. [14:30] <birthdaymuggle> What kind of specific thing woul Hermione do though? Something like Madam Bones, or something more active like Harry and Ron??? [14:30] <hp_sgfan> well..she said they revolutionized the auror office..doesn't mean they did become Aurors.. [14:31] <CDSmOOngaL16> which is think is dumb since harry said hed had enough troule for a ifetime and yet hes becoming an aura...everyday trouble now! [14:31] <fia> i can't see george being happy doing anything else [14:31] <Aislinn> it is his make-up, CD [14:31] <DarkMagic2112> harry is the head of the auror office, so I'd say he's an auror [14:31] <ProngsPatronus> a hero doesn't stop being a hero [14:31] <Aislinn> he wouldn't be satisfied doing anything besides fighting evil. [14:31] <JaneMarple9> i think george would be in WWW [14:31] <bibs> i seem to have developed a kingsly obsession, i hope hes minister for magic [14:31] <CDSmOOngaL16> yea but then at least keep the darn wand! [14:32] <hp_sgfan> what can be worse than voldy anyway..the rest would seem like an easy feat..biggrin [14:32] <JaneMarple9> and how about Percy as his assistant? laugh [14:32] <ProngsPatronus> he has to keep the wand [14:32] <DarkMagic2112> I hope Fudge got re-enstated [14:32] <DarkMagic2112> LOL [14:32] <CDSmOOngaL16> ern.... [14:32] <Pleshette> absolutely Jane smile [14:32] <CDSmOOngaL16> erm* [14:32] <hp_sgfan> don't think fudge made it.. [14:32] <JaneMarple9> entertaining i think! [14:32] <hp_sgfan> she said its a totally different MOM from harry's days.. [14:32] <bibs> yeah for kingsley [14:32] <Essence_of_Insanity> For some reason, there's no way I'd trust Fudge back in office.... [14:32] <JaneMarple9> fudge .... what happened to him? smile [14:32] <DarkMagic2112> I was joking [14:32] <loopyloonyluna> I think Harry would reclaim all 3 Hallows if a situation arose that was serious eneough to warrant it [14:32] <Pleshette> I cheered out loud when Percy came back to his senses! [14:32] <Ana> now that we know that Snape had feelings for lily I wonder what would have happened if Snape was in Gryffindor [14:32] <ProngsPatronus> what do you think of the number of people who came to Hogwarts' defence? [14:33] <JaneMarple9> oh percy! Percy = not a git! [14:33] <fia> i think kingsley should be Minister [14:33] <Pleshette> I was really hoping for that to happen [14:33] <JaneMarple9> kingsley as minister definately [14:33] <bibs> sleeping dragon would be proud [14:33] <fia> I wondered that too ana! [14:33] <JaneMarple9> o better person [14:33] <ProngsPatronus> at least he got to make up with fred before... [14:33] <hp_sgfan> poor percy [14:33] <CDSmOOngaL16> yea [14:33] <Pleshette> yeah [14:33] <hp_sgfan> i think he won't ever make another joke [14:33] <Aislinn> poor Fred, poor George. [14:33] <DarkMagic2112> Fudge didn't appear at all, this is the first book he hasn't been in since book 1 [14:33] *** JeffHpFan has joined #lounge [14:34] *** JeffHpFan_ has joined #lounge [14:34] <Aislinn> She wrote my biggest fear into the book. [14:34] <JeffHpFan_> hey gys [14:34] *** JeffHpFan has quit [Bye] [14:34] <hp_sgfan> not that he makes on often..but still.. [14:34] <birthdaymuggle> I thought Fudge was only in 3-6? [14:34] <ProngsPatronus> hey, jeff [14:34] <Aislinn> hi Jeff [14:34] <Ana> DarkMagic he at least was mentioned in book 1 [14:34] <ProngsPatronus> which was, Aislinn? [14:34] <loopyloonyluna> And showed up in 2 [14:34] <bibs> he was n cos [14:34] <Aislinn> killing one of the twins. [14:34] <Pleshette> I can imagine George and Percy becoming a lot closer in the future...a mutualy brotherly respect [14:34] <DarkMagic2112> He was in CoS, to take Hagrid [14:34] <JeffHpFan_> I really dont see that pleshettte [14:34] <Pleshette> me too Aislinn [14:35] <Aislinn> they were more than brothers - they were two halves of a whole. [14:35] <birthdaymuggle> You're right DM *smacks head* [14:35] <CDSmOOngaL16> i think she should have either killed them both or kept them both...to kill just one is terrible [14:35] <Pleshette> Oh, I can see it for sure [14:35] <Aislinn> I think that is exactly why she did it, CD [14:35] <JeffHpFan_> agreed CDSm00ngaL16 [14:35] <Pleshette> after all they went through and with the loss of Fred [14:35] <Aislinn> to really show the horrors of war [14:35] <loopyloonyluna> I thought killing both Remus and TOnks was pretty bad [14:35] <birthdaymuggle> I was expecting more Weasleys to die [14:35] <JeffHpFan_> omg I knowloopyluna [14:35] <ProngsPatronus> they were the two who died [14:35] <fia> i was dreading, but expecting ron to be the one to die [14:35] <Aislinn> yes. [14:35] <JeffHpFan_> its horrible [14:36] <hp_sgfan> but if either remus or tonks were left alive, it would be horrible.. [14:36] <loopyloonyluna> poor Teddy [14:36] <Pleshette> That was another full circle moment for me their deaths [14:36] <JeffHpFan_> teddy was left in the same position as Harry aws [14:36] <JeffHpFan_> was* [14:36] <bibs> i love lupin! [14:36] <ProngsPatronus> at least the marauders will all be together [14:36] *** fidelia has joined #lounge [14:36] <Aislinn> it was so tragic that none of the Marauders had a chance to really live and enjoy life. [14:36] <CDSmOOngaL16> but with more loving relatives [14:36] <ProngsPatronus> hey, fidelia [14:36] <loopyloonyluna> hopefully Teddy at least had a better childhood [14:36] <bibs> i hate worm tail! [14:36] <JeffHpFan_> I know aislinn [14:36] <birthdaymuggle> I was thankful all the Ron choking symbolism was only for Ron to save Harry from the locket [14:36] <Pleshette> the difference being that Teddy has peope to love him [14:36] <Aislinn> I think he did, loopy [14:36] <DarkMagic2112> Teddy is more in the position of Neville than Harry, minus the Godfather thing [14:36] <JeffHpFan_> wormtail doesnt deserve to live though [14:36] <Ana> anyone surprised that the order the Maraurders died is the reverse of how their names appear on the Map? [14:36] <hp_sgfan> im positive teddy had a much better childhood [14:36] <Aislinn> he had Harry as a godfather, after all. [14:37] <bibs> i hate wormtail more then voldy! [14:37] *** fidelia_ has joined #lounge [14:37] <JeffHpFan_> does ayone think that teddy lived with Ginny and Harry? [14:37] <hp_sgfan> ana , i didn't noptice that! [14:37] <ProngsPatronus> I am sure Harry would have made sure that Teddy was not alone [14:37] <Aislinn> no, jeff, I think he lives with his grandmother. [14:37] <hp_sgfan> jeff: he lived with his grandma probably.. [14:37] <DarkMagic2112> Ted lived with his widowed grandma [14:37] <JeffHpFan_> are we to assume thgat? [14:37] <hp_sgfan> harry said teddy comes over almost 4 times a wk [14:37] <JeffHpFan_> oh [14:37] <Ana> Jeff I think Tonks' mom took care of him [14:37] <JeffHpFan_> thats true [14:37] <loopyloonyluna> Because Harry says that Teddy shows up 3 times a week [14:37] <JaneMarple9> yeah i think so too [14:37] <Aislinn> right hp_sgfan [14:38] <JeffHpFan_> Well harry was a great godfather, I'm sure [14:38] <fia> bye everyone [14:38] <Aislinn> bye fia [14:38] *** CDSmOOngaL16 has quit [Bye] [14:38] <JeffHpFan_> like a dad to Teddy, as sirius was to harry [14:38] *** Essence_of_Insanity left #lounge [] [14:38] <JaneMarple9> andromedra would have had no-one - ted was dead, tonks was dead [14:38] <loopyloonyluna> bye fia [14:38] <DarkMagic2112> I feel bad to Tonk's Mom, A daughter, son-in-law, and Husband dead [14:38] <ProngsPatronus> bye, fia [14:38] *** fia left #lounge [Leaving] [14:38] <JeffHpFan_> bye fia [14:38] <bibs> "uncle harry tell me about the time dady taught you about patronus'" [14:38] <hp_sgfan> he vowed to be like sirius...im sure anyone would love to have that kind of godfather..biggrin [14:38] <JeffHpFan_> i know darkmagic [14:38] <Aislinn> that was sad DarkMagic2112 [14:38] *** bob1992 has joined #lounge [14:38] <JaneMarple9> but i think harry would have been around [14:38] *** fidelia_ has quit [Bye] [14:39] <loopyloonyluna> I'm sure Harry would have spent lots of time with Teddy [14:39] *** bob1992_ has joined #lounge [14:39] *** bob1992 has quit [Bye] [14:39] <cathiecat> don't you think that Harry probably didn't tell the stories from those years though [14:39] *** fidelia has quit [Bye] [14:39] <JeffHpFan_> Defnately [14:39] <JaneMarple9> definately [14:39] <bibs> tell teddy all about his brave and wonderful daddy [14:39] <loopyloonyluna> Hopefull Harry also developed a good relationship with Andromeda [14:39] <JaneMarple9> laugh echo! [14:39] <hp_sgfan> i just thought of this..tonk's mom is kind of like neville's grandma.. [14:39] <JaneMarple9> don't think so [14:39] <ProngsPatronus> oh, I think harry would have made sure that teddy knew what a great wizard remus was [14:39] *** bob1992_ has quit [Bye] [14:39] <bibs> oh njo im sobbing again. [14:39] <hp_sgfan> both suffered the lost of loved ones.. [14:39] <Aislinn> yes, Prongs, I'm sure he would. [14:40] <Ana> hope so too loopy especially after their first meeting [14:40] <JeffHpFan_> I'm sure teddy was told stories of remus [14:40] <JaneMarple9> ah yes like that yes [14:40] <hp_sgfan> harry probably would've gotten a pensieve and shown teddy his daddy n mummy.. [14:40] <JaneMarple9> nice idea [14:40] <JeffHpFan_> mhm [14:40] <cathiecat> but weren't those things really only used with utmost care [14:40] <bibs> a picture album [14:40] <ProngsPatronus> what did you think of harry at the end of the book? [14:41] *** JeffHpFan_ has quit [Bye] [14:41] <loopyloonyluna> It's a pity that everyone we know of Lupin's generation is dead [14:41] <JaneMarple9> impressive [14:41] *** JeffHpFan has joined #lounge [14:41] <bibs> i was so proud of harry [14:41] <Aislinn> I love that he found his heart's desire - a family to love. [14:41] <DarkMagic2112> LLL you're right [14:41] <hp_sgfan> prongs: he finally got the happy life he wanted so much [14:41] <JaneMarple9> he had finally left the voldemort years behind [14:41] <DarkMagic2112> Not Lucius though [14:41] <ProngsPatronus> he finally got to live [14:41] <Aislinn> he did. [14:41] <JaneMarple9> and the way he called his son Albus Severus! [14:41] <ProngsPatronus> just like the prophecy [14:41] <Pleshette> yes [14:41] <loopyloonyluna> Lucius was a few years older though [14:41] *** SpinningStar has joined #lounge [14:41] *** luna has joined #lounge [14:42] <JaneMarple9> I never saw that coming laugh [14:42] <JeffHpFan> alright im leaving for lunch.... talk to everyone later! [14:42] <ProngsPatronus> hey, luna, spinning [14:42] <Ana> same here Jane [14:42] <Aislinn> bye jeff [14:42] <hp_sgfan> bye jeff [14:42] <ProngsPatronus> bye jeff [14:42] <SpinningStar> hello all [14:42] *** JeffHpFan left #lounge [] [14:42] <DarkMagic2112> Lucius was a 7th year when James was a 1st year I think [14:42] <loopyloonyluna> Albus Severus was sweet. I hope he was sorted in to Slytherin and did some good there [14:42] <hp_sgfan> hi spinningstar [14:42] <bibs> james ... sirius, maybe? [14:42] <Ana> do you think James' middle name is Sirius? [14:42] <Pleshette> I loved that Harry recogized how brave Snape was and that he was able to let go of his hatred of him [14:42] <Aislinn> yes, that would make sense [14:42] <hp_sgfan> yep, i think so.. [14:43] <Ana> Dark Magic I thought Snape and the maurarders were in the same here? [14:43] <hp_sgfan> james is very like the marauders i would think [14:43] <Aislinn> That is why Harry is so special, Pleshette - he does not hold onto hate. [14:43] <DarkMagic2112> They were, Lucius wasn't though [14:43] <ProngsPatronus> like his namesake [14:43] <bibs> all his protestors names [14:43] *** luna has quit [Bye] [14:43] <Ana> so I think Lucius was a fifth year when they were first year [14:43] <ProngsPatronus> I do think Albus Severus is a mouthful, though! [14:43] <Pleshette> Nice chatting with you all...bye! [14:43] <bibs> he was 41 - 42 in ootp [14:43] <ProngsPatronus> bye, pleshette [14:44] <Aislinn> bye pleshette [14:44] <loopyloonyluna> I wonder if little Lily's middle name is Genevra [14:44] <bibs> bye [14:44] <hp_sgfan> i wonder if whoever named their son after fred would get a fred-like child..biggrin [14:44] *** Pleshette has quit [Bye] [14:44] <DarkMagic2112> He was a prefect, so at least a 5th year [14:44] <ProngsPatronus> I think he was in his sixth or seventh year [14:44] <hp_sgfan> though if the son in question was a son of george, then there is no doubt about that.. [14:44] <loopyloonyluna> Young James seems very Fred-like [14:44] <ProngsPatronus> according to the timeline [14:44] <hp_sgfan> i pity whoever who married george biggrin [14:44] <Ana> lol. [14:44] <bibs> hes fred james and ron all rolled together [14:44] <hp_sgfan> i think their house would've got blown up loads of times.. [14:45] <DarkMagic2112> Lets put it this way. Lucius was an Upperclassman when the Mauraders were in year 1 [14:45] <Ana> I don't think i can read the series when it mentions the twins and I would be sad [14:45] <bibs> with a dash of sirius [14:45] <Ana> can't* [14:45] <Aislinn> young James did seem quite mischievious loopy [14:45] <SpinningStar> Ana - I'm finding that too - doing a re-read and all the people whose fates I know keep on coming up [14:45] <ProngsPatronus> yes, he did! [14:45] <JaneMarple9> oooo I'll keep reading the series [14:46] <Aislinn> I cry more now at the earlier books than I did when I first read them. [14:46] <hp_sgfan> i haven't even gone back to the earlier books.. [14:46] <JaneMarple9> i know what happens to them all now...won't stop me loving it though [14:46] <DarkMagic2112> I see George marrying a former Quidditch teammate [14:46] <hp_sgfan> i don't dare to pick them up.. [14:46] <JaneMarple9> because i want to go on a THIPS hunt [14:46] <birthdaymuggle> Why hp_sgfan? [14:46] <Ana> after reading DH and then listening to GOF they mentioned fred and George and I started crying knowing what happens to fred [14:46] <Aislinn> Angelina, DarkMagic2112 [14:46] *** edsawyer has quit [Bye] [14:46] <Aislinn> LOL [14:46] <DarkMagic2112> I agree [14:46] <bibs> hugo fred weasley [14:46] <ProngsPatronus> I think that, now we know, it is like being a sort of Greek Chorus when one reads the early books [14:46] <hp_sgfan> BM: cause i know i'd be sad when i read about pple who've died.. [14:47] <Aislinn> exactly [14:47] <loopyloonyluna> what's a THIPS hunt [14:47] <Aislinn> things hidden in plain sight [14:47] <hp_sgfan> loopy: things hidden in plain sight [14:47] <JaneMarple9> Things Hidden In Plain Sight [14:47] <Aislinn> clues in the earlier books that are foreshadows of future stuff. [14:47] <Ana> anyone interested in the encylcopedia? [14:47] <hp_sgfan> ME!!!! [14:47] <DarkMagic2112> i am [14:47] <Aislinn> I can't wait [14:47] <SpinningStar> me [14:47] <bibs> i love using thips in books [14:47] <ProngsPatronus> I would love to have the encyclopedia! [14:47] <JaneMarple9> much easier than a Horcrux Hunt laugh [14:47] <loopyloonyluna> I don;t know about the encyclopedia [14:47] <Aislinn> but I hope she takes her time and makes it really huge! [14:47] <birthdaymuggle> I really didn't think the deaths constituted a "bloodbath"...but maybe because I was prepared for one [14:48] <hp_sgfan> i hope its ultra thick...biggrin [14:48] <JaneMarple9> I can't wait for the encyclopedia [14:48] <Ana> same hereit won't be for a while thought [14:48] <ProngsPatronus> there were 50 dead--in the WW, that's a bloodbath [14:48] <JaneMarple9> got to come one day [14:48] <birthdaymuggle> Something to look forward to... [14:48] <SpinningStar> something to look forward to then [14:48] <hp_sgfan> BM: it really was..50 other pple died.. [14:48] <Aislinn> Burbage, Dobby, Tonks, Lupin, Fred, Colin, many many more [14:48] <hp_sgfan> hedwig.. sad [14:48] <Aislinn> it really was a bloodbath [14:48] <hp_sgfan> n harry's firebolt..does that count? [14:48] <Aislinn> yes, hedwig! [14:48] <birthdaymuggle> I was expecting more deaths of "main" characters I suppose [14:48] <DarkMagic2112> But at least in the wait for the enclypodeia, Jo wont hide anything from us, we ask she tells, Hopefully [14:48] <JaneMarple9> I want 1000 pages in the encyclopedia - and that is the first half! [14:48] <loopyloonyluna> there were a dozen or more deaths before the battle, plus who knows how many Death Eaters dead [14:49] <Ana> I was so sad about hedwig [14:49] <bibs> so was i [14:49] <Aislinn> were the Trio the only main characters to you birthday? [14:49] <ProngsPatronus> me, too [14:49] <hp_sgfan> essentially i want her notes as the encyclopedia.biggrin [14:49] <JaneMarple9> yeah hedwig's death was sad [14:49] <Aislinn> because I consider Dumbledore, Lupin, Snape all main characters. [14:49] <ProngsPatronus> what was Harry's new pet? [14:49] <hp_sgfan> i don't mind if i have to bring a wheelbarrow to the book shop to carry back the encyclopedia.. [14:49] <hp_sgfan> prongs: i don't think he got one? [14:49] <JaneMarple9> the golden snitch? smile [14:49] <loopyloonyluna> Perhaps his new pet was Kreacher;) [14:49] <ProngsPatronus> she said he would [14:50] <Aislinn> Buckbeak was his new pet. [14:50] <birthdaymuggle> No, Aislinn, more of the Order I suppose... I was expecting Hagrid to tell the truth but THANK GOD he lived, would have been devastating [14:50] <JaneMarple9> yeah maybe Kreacher [14:50] <DarkMagic2112> LLL Hermonie wouln not like that comment [14:50] <ProngsPatronus> he already had inherited Buckbeak [14:50] <Aislinn> we lost a lot of the Order though. [14:50] <loopyloonyluna> That's just what I was thinking DM [14:50] <Ana> anyone surprised that Mr. Weasley was the one that got the reprieve? [14:50] <hp_sgfan> prongs: i thought she said he might? [14:50] <JaneMarple9> yes but buckbeak was way back in book 6 [14:50] <Aislinn> yes, Ana [14:50] <hp_sgfan> yes ana.. [14:50] <bibs> i think buck beak counts as the new pet [14:50] <JaneMarple9> yeah i was suprised [14:50] <loopyloonyluna> Buckbeak was still more Hagrid's pet though [14:51] <Aislinn> I was really surprised, as I thought she was talking about this book. [14:51] <bibs> yeah but he was harrys [14:51] <JaneMarple9> then again arthur came close to death in book 5 [14:51] <Aislinn> but he was left to Harry [14:51] <Ana> I think Harry's new pet would be another owl [14:51] <ProngsPatronus> I thought buckbeak had gone back to the FF [14:51] <DarkMagic2112> possibly Fluffy, [14:51] <bibs> under harrys owner ship [14:51] <DarkMagic2112> lol [14:51] <Aislinn> and, just like Arthur, the phrase didn't have to mean the last book [14:51] *** Kirstin has joined #lounge [14:51] <Aislinn> hi Kirstin [14:51] <ProngsPatronus> hey, Kirsten [14:51] <Aislinn> We have about 10 minutes left for the chat, everyone! [14:52] <loopyloonyluna> Still, my idea of Harry's new pet was one he would have a personal relationship with, not just own [14:52] <ProngsPatronus> what is the one question you would ask Jo, if you had the chance? [14:52] <hp_sgfan> Loopy, perhaps he did get one, just that he didn't bring it to kings cross'... [14:52] <Aislinn> How is George faring now, would probably be my first question. [14:52] <hp_sgfan> prongs: can i have all your notes? ;) [14:53] <ProngsPatronus> lol, hp_sgfan [14:53] *** Kirstin has quit [Bye] [14:53] *** omikse has joined #lounge [14:53] *** Kirstin has joined #lounge [14:53] <loopyloonyluna> I would like to know what the significance of teachers' spouses was [14:53] <bibs> guys ive got to go its been fun [14:53] <Ana> Aislinn that is one question I wantt o know [14:53] <ProngsPatronus> me too, LLL [14:53] <hp_sgfan> bye bibs... [14:53] <Aislinn> Do you feel that Dumbledore kept The Greater Good as a core philosophy, despite his shift in beliefs - this would be another question I'd love to discuss with her. [14:53] *** cathiecat has quit [Bye] [14:53] <bibs> bye [14:53] *** bibs has quit [Bye] [14:53] *** omikse has quit [Bye] [14:54] <ProngsPatronus> bye, bibs [14:54] *** SpinningStar left #lounge [] [14:54] <DarkMagic2112> Both Fred and George were "the glass is half full" type people. I therfore see, while being sad, George moving on an honoring his brother in some way [14:54] <hp_sgfan> aislinn..goot question [14:54] <loopyloonyluna> Dumbledore was still a puppetmaster, so I think he did still believe ib that phrase [14:54] <hp_sgfan> good* [14:54] <birthdaymuggle> I agree loopy [14:54] <birthdaymuggle> I wish I could still see DD the same [14:54] <Kirstin> hi everyone - just figured out where to reply! [14:54] <Aislinn> I don't see him as a puppet master, even now. [14:54] *** Hermeeownee has joined #lounge [14:54] <loopyloonyluna> At least Dumbledore was more benevolent about it since his youth [14:54] <hp_sgfan> hi kirstin [14:54] <ProngsPatronus> I would .oove to know how the other characters we have grown to love are faring [14:55] <Aislinn> he gave people choices, just not enough information. [14:55] <JaneMarple9> oh george would move on...'ear 'ear! laugh [14:55] <Aislinn> lol [14:55] <Ana> I want to know who Neville married since a lot of fans seem to like him with Luna [14:55] <ProngsPatronus> I understand, birthdaymuggle [14:55] <birthdaymuggle> Yeah [14:55] <ProngsPatronus> I thought it would be luna and dean [14:56] <hp_sgfan> ana: is he even married? [14:56] <birthdaymuggle> that shocked me [14:56] <JaneMarple9> i think neville devoted himself to herbology [14:56] <loopyloonyluna> Yeah, but DD was letting people make those 'choices' under false pretenses [14:56] <birthdaymuggle> luna and dean was very surprsing to me, i bet theyre together [14:56] <loopyloonyluna> I did think Luna would end up with Dean [14:56] <JaneMarple9> luna and dean...yes i think that was suggested [14:56] <hp_sgfan> loopy: but i think when we make choices, its not always possible to know everything..we make do with whatever information we have..n hope its the most informed, or best choice [14:56] <JaneMarple9> i wasn't expecting that pairing smile [14:56] <birthdaymuggle> still a weird couple [14:56] <birthdaymuggle> yeah [14:56] <DarkMagic2112> Neville and Cho......That would be something [14:56] <Hermeeownee> I think Luna would end up with Neville... [14:57] <Ana> when did Dean and Luna get together? [14:57] <JaneMarple9> yuk! Neville and Cho [14:57] <Aislinn> I agree hp_sgfan [14:57] <DarkMagic2112> lol [14:57] <ProngsPatronus> it was suggested ion the last chapter [14:57] <JaneMarple9> Nevilles too good for Cho!! [14:57] <birthdaymuggle> in the RoR [14:57] <DarkMagic2112> I was joking for the record [14:57] <Aislinn> this has been a great chat folks [14:57] <loopyloonyluna> Perhaps Nevillw and Susan Bones [14:57] <JaneMarple9> now then, neville and susan bones [14:57] <JaneMarple9> i like that idea [14:57] <Aislinn> hope to see you back here for future ones! [14:57] <JaneMarple9> great minds LLL! [14:57] <hp_sgfan> aww....is it ending.. [14:57] <Ana> One question I want to ask Jo is what happened to Lavender? [14:58] <ProngsPatronus> yes--this has been great fun, but it is time to go, everyone! [14:58] <loopyloonyluna> Bye all [14:58] *** loopyloonyluna has quit [Bye] [14:58] <DarkMagic2112> Bye [14:58] <birthdaymuggle> bye guys [14:58] <JaneMarple9> ok all (((boothers))))) back soon! [14:58] <hp_sgfan> its 3am where i am... [14:58] <Aislinn> bye all [14:58] <hp_sgfan> bye guys [14:58] <Ana> hp where do you live? [14:58] <ProngsPatronus> bye, and thanks for chatting! [14:58] *** bossche has quit [Bye] [14:58] *** JaneMarple9 has quit [Bye] [14:58] *** DarkMagic2112 has quit [Bye] [14:58] <hp_sgfan> ana..i live somewhere in asua.. [14:58] <hp_sgfan> asia* [14:58] <Ana> bye everyone [14:58] <Ana> oh... [14:58] <birthdaymuggle> take care [14:58] *** birthdaymuggle has quit [Bye] [14:59] *** Kirstin has quit [Bye] [14:59] <hp_sgfan> bye!! -waves- [14:59] <Hermeeownee> bye [14:59] <ProngsPatronus> bye!, hp [14:59] *** hp_sgfan left #lounge [Leaving] [14:59] *** Ana has quit [Bye] [14:59] <ProngsPatronus> !botsnack [14:59] * Snuffles munches on a yummy treat [14:59] <Aislinn> hermeeownee - are you here? [14:59] <Hermeeownee> yes - but I don't know how to close it. 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