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Didn't Like Deathly Hallows?, Have you RE-read it?
IanAndBrittany
post Aug 6 2007, 10:39 AM
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Hey all, I noticed there are a LOT of people who were unsatisfied\upset\angry with JKR for how she ended the series with DH. My first time reading it, I was actually a bit disappointed too. I enjoyed it, but didn't feel it ranked with the other books, what with all their magic and wonder and whatnot.

I began re-reading it the other day to see how it would go, and it has been AMAZING. Not rushing through to finish in x hours (ended up being 12 for me the first time), I'm really enjoying all the intricate details, ironies, and "easter eggs" of enjoyment from JKR. The whole "camping story" isn't as long the second time through, since you're focused on the events that happen (and looking back, there were a ton while they were camping). The whole thing reads brilliantly; it's one of my favorites for sure now, if not my favorite.

I'd love to hear what everyone thinks on the matter, whether you've re-read it or not. If you haven't, I highly recommend it.


As a side note, I think many people didn't enjoy the last book because they overhyped it themselves. Not that it wasn't worth all the hype, but with a "whodunnit" type series that Rowling has created, everyone had his or her pet theories. Seeing how Rowling ended things (often disregarding your pet theories entirely or changing them dramatically) left people with a funny taste in their mouths.

Speculators of all things HP took the biggest hit with DH because:
1. There were a ton of loose ends after book 6
2. There was a long time in between books
3. Sites like LeakyCauldron only got more popular with time
4. Once it ended, that was it. Your theories either made it in (low percentage) or didn't, and there's only an extremely small chance that your unused theories will ever be heard from again.

I, for one, disregarded the "Harry is a horcrux" theory entirely because I really, really felt like she wouldn't off Harry. I was half right, as we all know, but that didn't keep me from being a little bitter when we first find out he was in fact a horcrux.

Now that we all know how it all went down, re-read it and see if you can't get past the fact that it wasn't what you expected. Because no matter what you expected, when you re-read it you'll probably find out it was much, much more.
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IanAndBrittany
post Aug 6 2007, 04:51 PM
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Well I appreciate the responses. I was kind of hoping some of the disgruntled people would respond, I'd love to hear what they think and whether or not they'll re-read. Although it's possible that...

1. They re-read it, loved it, and are agreeing that it's great now
2. They won't re-read it, abandoned HP forever, and are locked up at the top of Nuremgaard
3. They think I'll bash them if they oppose the greatness of DH

If you didn't like DH, please speak up. I'd love to talk with you about re-reading it!
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post Aug 6 2007, 05:03 PM
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I'll probably re-read it sometime...but I don't want to read about bodies after the Hogwarts battle....not that line! The characters are still somewhat alive in my mind...immortalized in OOTP, DH, and fannon.


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i liked the book with my first reading - though (as many others) i had a problem with the epilogue. i was prepared to the fact that it was the last book and i did not open it immediately when i got it. i sat there and told me once more that it was the last and that i should really enjoy it - no speed-reading as i did it with the other books. as english is not my native language, i started to reread it more slowly - a pencil and a dictionary with me. that's really good!
of course i had my own expectations, but the time i took myself to enjoy dh gave me the time to realize what rowling wanted to tell - her big story, she invented for so long. and so i wasn't disappionted that harry was a horcrux (i always hated the speculations about that theme), or other things that just seemed too unlikely to me before. the only thing in the book where i thought that it was perhaps 'rushed' or, well, under rowlings niveau was that ron was able to open the chamber of secrets because of imitating harry speaking parseltongue.

and - yes, the epilogue. in german we say kitsch to something like that. all the childrens names... that was too much. too happy.


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i keep thinking that i wasn't really satisfied with it but for some reason, there is not a day since i bought it that i didn't read it. i keep going back, and there's always something new or different to find.
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I have already re-read it twice, and I love DH since my first time reading it. I think Jo ended the series quite nicely though some people will disagree.


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post Aug 6 2007, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(IanAndBrittany @ Aug 6 2007, 08:39 AM) [snapback]1375457[/snapback]

Hey all, I noticed there are a LOT of people who were unsatisfied\upset\angry with JKR for how she ended the series with DH. My first time reading it, I was actually a bit disappointed too. I enjoyed it, but didn't feel it ranked with the other books, what with all their magic and wonder and whatnot.

I began re-reading it the other day to see how it would go, and it has been AMAZING. Not rushing through to finish in x hours (ended up being 12 for me the first time), I'm really enjoying all the intricate details, ironies, and "easter eggs" of enjoyment from JKR. The whole "camping story" isn't as long the second time through, since you're focused on the events that happen (and looking back, there were a ton while they were camping). The whole thing reads brilliantly; it's one of my favorites for sure now, if not my favorite.

I'd love to hear what everyone thinks on the matter, whether you've re-read it or not. If you haven't, I highly recommend it.


As a side note, I think many people didn't enjoy the last book because they overhyped it themselves. Not that it wasn't worth all the hype, but with a "whodunnit" type series that Rowling has created, everyone had his or her pet theories. Seeing how Rowling ended things (often disregarding your pet theories entirely or changing them dramatically) left people with a funny taste in their mouths.

Speculators of all things HP took the biggest hit with DH because:
1. There were a ton of loose ends after book 6
2. There was a long time in between books
3. Sites like LeakyCauldron only got more popular with time
4. Once it ended, that was it. Your theories either made it in (low percentage) or didn't, and there's only an extremely small chance that your unused theories will ever be heard from again.

I, for one, disregarded the "Harry is a horcrux" theory entirely because I really, really felt like she wouldn't off Harry. I was half right, as we all know, but that didn't keep me from being a little bitter when we first find out he was in fact a horcrux.

Now that we all know how it all went down, re-read it and see if you can't get past the fact that it wasn't what you expected. Because no matter what you expected, when you re-read it you'll probably find out it was much, much more.



Even though I finished the book in 2 days, which I think is quite fast, I was able to appreciate and love it when I finished reading the first time around. I think it helped that I didn't just rush off head first into reading and would re-read passages so I understood what was happening and how things happened and ended up the way they did. I was actually disappointed with those fans who were disappointed by the book and I agree that they probably over-hyped themselves and felt sure that their pet theories would happen. Also, reading the book so quickly contributed to a lot of missed details which was very obvious from the posts on this forum the Monday after the book was released. A lot of people had unanswered questions that a re-read or a slow first time read could have answered.

People have to remember that this story was plotted out from the beginning and as this was JK Rowling's vision and story to tell, not ours, we were just along for the ride, so too it was also Rowling's right to change her mind on how she wanted to handle the last book. JK Rowling was the driver, we were the passengers and as such, we should of just sat back and enjoyed the ride and expected a great story, which she provided.

I loved the Epilogue. I don't understand what some were expecting. This wasn't a biography. It's fiction and as fiction it requires an imagination and I think JK Rowling wanted us to imagine for ourselves what happened within those 19 years. She only filled in the holes because she was asked and since it was her characters that's what she imagined happened to them within the 19 years of Voldemort being defeated and the Epilogue. Personally, I was enjoying imagining Harry as a great professional Seeker and winning the World Cup with his team.
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smile.gif I had the opportunity to read an early copy of one of the "fake"? versions circulating prior to the book coming out (The particular version I read was uploaded using emule and had 630 plus pages ending with the word scar and followed by an epilogue set only 7 years in the future-as opposed the 19 in the book). A couple of interesting side notes lent credibility to the copy and, after careful comparison with the store bought book (that has some 750+ pages), I have begun to be bugged by the totally crazy (?) notion that the first "fake" may have not bee a fake at all but rather, an early draft. Perhaps, after realizing the original draft had been compromised, JKR and Publishing may have decided to thwart the literary thieves by art of re-write. It would have been true to the implied obligation they feel toward Potter fan. And, would explain how the "fake " was so similar in style, order of events, key items and so expedient about dealing with certain details important only to the "fake " version (one key difference is that in this draft Snape IS an unredeemed traitor).

In both versions the general references are the same but, when reading the book , the feeling is that the writer had knowledge of the other version and, was systematically trying to go against many of it's key points.

I still have a copy and, if anyone who cannot find this version would like to read it and compare it with the book is welcome to ask me for it.

I have been in the journalism /writing business for the past 30 odd years so, when I share with you this crazy thought, it is not without some comparative (circumstantial) evidence. Nevertheless, I wanted to see if there were other "Potter heads" out there who may share any thoughts on this.
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post Aug 6 2007, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(kyothecat @ Aug 6 2007, 04:08 PM) [snapback]1376245[/snapback]
Even though I finished the book in 2 days, which I think is quite fast, I was able to appreciate and love it when I finished reading the first time around. I think it helped that I didn't just rush off head first into reading and would re-read passages so I understood what was happening and how things happened and ended up the way they did. I was actually disappointed with those fans who were disappointed by the book and I agree that they probably over-hyped themselves and felt sure that their pet theories would happen. Also, reading the book so quickly contributed to a lot of missed details which was very obvious from the posts on this forum the Monday after the book was released. A lot of people had unanswered questions that a re-read or a slow first time read could have answered.

People have to remember that this story was plotted out from the beginning and as this was JK Rowling's vision and story to tell, not ours, we were just along for the ride, so too it was also Rowling's right to change her mind on how she wanted to handle the last book. JK Rowling was the driver, we were the passengers and as such, we should of just sat back and enjoyed the ride and expected a great story, which she provided.

I loved the Epilogue. I don't understand what some were expecting. This wasn't a biography. It's fiction and as fiction it requires an imagination and I think JK Rowling wanted us to imagine for ourselves what happened within those 19 years. She only filled in the holes because she was asked and since it was her characters that's what she imagined happened to them within the 19 years of Voldemort being defeated and the Epilogue. Personally, I was enjoying imagining Harry as a great professional Seeker and winning the World Cup with his team.


Yeah those were great points. It almost would've been better for her to never say what happened (in interviews and such) because yeah, why not be a Seeker? I do enjoy the interviews though and the tidbits she gives, because it hurts to let go and JUST use imagination.

It's interesting that so many of the DH haters are gone... I thought this post would be like a lightning rod to them. I hope that you, like me, re-read it and enjoy it as a rightful and excellent ending to the Harry Potter series.
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The main reasons I didn't like DH was because of the "happily ever after", Harry lived because he was "pure of soul", and the long stretches of nothing happening in the middle.

I believe it was the best of the seven and the worst of the seven.

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I've re-read the book several times, but unlike all the other books, which I liked more and more with each reading, with this one I liked it less each time I re-read it. In my opinion, there needed to be some kind of transition between "Voldy is dead, evil is defeated, Harry is sleepy & wants a sandwich" and "Now we have three kids who are heading off to Hogwarts." It was a Rip Van Winkle ending in which we all go to sleep after the battle and wake up to find a couple of decades have passed -- so what the heck happened in the meantime? It was too abrupt, it felt rushed, as if Jo had grown tired of the whole damned thing and wrapped everything up before she really finished it. I am really hoping we'll get an encyclopedia or something to fill in some of the blanks. I feel like a kid with a piece of pie who dutifully eats the crust and then discovers somebody forgot to add the fruit. I want my berries, damn it!
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