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Distinct lack of pipe smoking in HP, Anti-smoking message from JKR?

Fry_Fan View Member Profile	Jun 29 2009, 01:41 PM Post #1
Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 73 Joined: 8:40pm June 27, 2009	To Me there seems to be a distinct lack of pipe smoking in the HP books, something that strikes me a a stark departure from the classics. I always pictured Albus chilling out with a long Clay Churchwarden, Remus with a fine briar pipe. Do you think this was a deliberate choice, and if so why? The growing pressure from Anti smoking organizations, the fact its a "children" book or so on! Personally i find it a little strange that alcohol is so prominent, but most children experiment with smoking before drinking.

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Pleione View Member Profile	Jun 29 2009, 02:01 PM Post #2
Director of Farcical Aquatic Ceremonies Posts: 8,971 Joined: 2:55pm January 28, 2005 Location: Classified, until such time as the Ministry sees fit to release it.	Since the Butterbeer forum is a non-HP forum, this topic needs to find a new home. Everyone hold on while I move this thread over to Obscurus Books. Mobilithreadus! Pleione LL Moderator

Wendall View Member Profile	Jun 29 2009, 02:30 PM Post #3
Gringotts Goblin Translator Posts: 1,237 Joined: 3:47pm November 27, 2006 Location: Dublin	QUOTE(Fry_Fan @ Jun 29 2009, 07:41 PM) To Me there seems to be a distinct lack of pipe smoking in the HP books, something that strikes me a a stark departure from the classics. I always pictured Albus chilling out with a long Clay Churchwarden, Remus with a fine briar pipe. Do you think this was a deliberate choice, and if so why? The growing pressure from Anti smoking organizations, the fact its a "children" book or so on! Personally i find it a little strange that alcohol is so prominent, but most children experiment with smoking before drinking. Pipe smoking? Do kids experiment with pipe smoking alot? I wouldn't have thought pipe smoking was very common at all really. Although professor Grubbly-Plank smokes a pipe, and so does one of the people in the leaky cauldron when Harry first goes there with Hagrid, so it's not completely rejected by JKR. The complete lack of cigarette smoking is alot stranger, I would have thought, cos it's alot more common than pipe smoking. But I think it's a good thing that smoking had such a small place in the books.

Laura W View Member Profile	Jun 29 2009, 02:43 PM Post #4
Knight Bus Driver in Training Posts: 600 Joined: 6:25am December 9, 2007 Location: Canada	OoP, Chapter One: "Harry knew perfectly well that Dudley had not been to tea anywhere; he and his gang spent every evening vandalising the play park, smoking on street corners and throwing stones at passing cars and children." OoP, Chapter Five: "Mundungus fumbled nervously in his pockets, still staring at Harry, and pulled out a grimy black pipe. He stuck it in his mouth, ignited the end of it with his wand and took a deep pull on it. Great billowing clouds of greenish smoke obscured him within seconds." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ edited to add as an afterthought - And the wizard on the back cover of the Bloomsbury edition of PS is smoking a pipe. This post has been edited by Laura W: Jun 29 2009, 03:57 PM --------------------

Fry_Fan View Member Profile	Jun 29 2009, 03:00 PM Post #5
Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 73 Joined: 8:40pm June 27, 2009	QUOTE(Wendall @ Jun 29 2009, 08:30 PM) Pipe smoking? Do kids experiment with pipe smoking alot? I wouldn't have thought pipe smoking was very common at all really. Sorry, maybe i should of made myself more clear, I meant full grow wizards smoking a pipe, not children.......long history in fantasy writing of wizards and pipes. And regards pipe smoking being popular, there is a huge resurgence withing America college campuses for pipe smoking right now.....I myself am English, in my 20's, and a pipe smoker. good artical about it in the wall street journal http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123509294170728733.html QUOTE(Laura W @ Jun 29 2009, 08:43 PM) OoP, Chapter One: "Harry knew perfectly well that Dudley had not been to tea anywhere; he and his gang spent every evening vandalising the play park, smoking on street corners and throwing stones at passing cars and children." OoP, Chapter Five: "Mundungus fumbled nervously in his pockets, still staring at Harry, and pulled out a grimy black pipe. He stuck it in his mouth, ignited the end of it with his wand and took a deep pull on it. Great billowing clouds of greenish smoke obscured him within seconds." Thanks for the quotes Laura W. The black pipe of Mundungus sound like it lifted right out of a Sherlock Holmes book QUOTE A CASE OF IDENTITY Then he took down from the rack the old and oily clay pipe, which was to him as a counsellor, and, having lit it, he leaned back in his chair, with the thick blue cloud-wreaths spinning up from him, and a look of infinite languor in his face. I left him then, still puffing at his black clay pipe, with the conviction that when I came again on the next evening I would find that he held in his hands all the clues which would lead up to the identity of the disappearing bridegroom of Miss Mary Sutherland.

Cadders View Member Profile	Jun 29 2009, 05:24 PM Post #6
Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 7 Joined: 10:40am June 18, 2009 Location: England UK	i suppose the lack of smoking in the books was to move away from possibly pursuading readers that it was a good thing to smoke. maybe following in the footsteps of Albus's possible pipe smoking ways... maybe the thought didnt occur to JKR -------------------- "The last enemy to be defeated is Death"

Azkaban's_Angel View Member Profile	Jun 29 2009, 06:32 PM Post #7
Selling Illegal Items at Borgin and Burkes Posts: 2,806 Joined: 7:59am June 6, 2006	QUOTE(Fry_Fan @ Jun 29 2009, 07:41 PM) To Me there seems to be a distinct lack of pipe smoking in the HP books Really? I thought there was actully quite a bit of pipe smoking(as other posters have indicated): Mundungus, Grubbly-Plank, the witch in the Leaky Cauldron, and THIS GUY on the back of the original Bloomsbury cover. Certainly it's presence isn't dominant, but I wouldn't say that it's distinctly lacking. As to why this is, I'd say that it wouldn't have contributed hugely to the story and that it wasn't relevant to the characters --------------------

Fry_Fan View Member Profile	Jun 29 2009, 06:45 PM Post #8
Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 73 Joined: 8:40pm June 27, 2009	Who is that guy on the back cover!? he certainly didn't make it into the book, but shows even the illustrator made the association of wizard and pipe.

Azkaban's_Angel View Member Profile	Jun 29 2009, 07:28 PM Post #9
Selling Illegal Items at Borgin and Burkes Posts: 2,806 Joined: 7:59am June 6, 2006	QUOTE(Fry_Fan @ Jun 30 2009, 12:45 AM) Who is that guy on the back cover!? I've read some suggestions that it was Nicholas Flamel, which I think is the most likely. Before that I thought that perhaps it was supposed to be Quirrel. I don't know that it's ever been verified by Bloomsbury. This post has been edited by Azkaban's_Angel: Jun 29 2009, 07:30 PM --------------------

Fry_Fan View Member Profile	Jun 29 2009, 07:37 PM Post #10
Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 73 Joined: 8:40pm June 27, 2009	I'm going to rule out Quirrel due to the head wear.......I think its just a generic wizard from the mind of the illustrator, and as hight informed individual he/she knows all wizards smoke a pipe....Its fact.

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