Dudley Dursley is Wormtail's Son, Reopeing the 'eyes' connection but with a twist |
 Jan 21 2007, 05:02 PM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper  Posts: 62 Joined: 3:59pm January 5, 2006 Location: At Florean Fortescue's UK franchise, scoffing icecream    |
 I have read all the books several times & listened to all the audios several times aswell, but i have just finished reading the first few pages of PS to my son & the following just hit me out of the blue. So much so that i have just had to pour over the books & reference things etc to try & voice my theory accurately. Now this may sound really way out but please bear with me whilst i explain...  JKR has always used clever & well hidden repetitions in her wording as clues to what will eventually transpire in Book 7. For instance, I have always believed that her clever rewording of Harry's & Snape's separate feelings in HBP is a clue to Snape being good... ie. in HBP pg 534 JKR uses the words hate & repulsed as Harry looks at DD & forces him to drink the remainder of the potion in the cave. We know that she means them in a good way as it relates to Harry & how he feels about what he is putting DD through. But she uses v similar adjectives on pg 556 when Snape looks at DD up on top of the tower. It states "Snape gazed for a moment at DD, & there was revulsion & hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face..." Now we are automatically going to assume that this is meant in the completely opposite way as it is Snape's face & not Harry's & cos Snape goes on to use the Avada Kedavra (yeah right! Think not) curse etc... However, i think that this whole repetition of similar wording is a clue to the fact that Snape is repulsed at what he is having to do (or at least what he is making it look like he is doing) rather than a reflection of how he feels about DD. It's just that because JKR always gives Snape a sinister air (just to throw us..!!?!) we all too readily misconstrue her descriptions... which is, of course, her aim. Anyway, that said... it is in exactly this way that i think she intimates in the very first book (page 21 of PS no less) that Dudley is in fact Wormtail's son! The very first mention of Dudley describes him as having a large pink face, small watery blue eyes & thick blonde hair... I happen to think that JKR has used this exact description for a reason & that reason is to eventually link him to Peter Pettigrew in Prizoner of Azkaban. It's interesting that we assume Dudley is like Uncle Vernon because he is fat, but JKR doesn't actually ever tell us that Uncle Vernon has blonde hair... in fact, altho she doesn't state it, her description leads us to believe he has dark hair as he is described as big & beefy with a very large moustache (pg 1 of PS). This all tends to point in the direction of a brunette, or so i believe. We do however know that Aunt Petunia is blonde (pg 1 also (albeit not in the films!)) so assume that Dudley gets his colouring from her... However, when Wormtail is transformed from Scabbers into PP in PoA (pg 269) he is described as a very short man with thin [b]colourless hair & with the shrunken appearance of a plump man who had lost a lot of weight in a short time & with small, watery eyes... Well imo colourless hair is far more likely to intimate blonde than it is brown etc & we also have a fat characteristic that links back to Dudley PLUS JKR has deliberately let us know that he has SMALL WATERY EYES. Why? Why use those exact words? Why make his eyes the same as Dudleys?? Now at this stage you are probably loling & thinking i am mad, but couple the above with other facts & it really gets the brain whirring... Other facts: 1. We know that there is alot more about Petunia we don't know but we know she is in no way a witch or magical in any way herself. JKR has stated this. 2. We know that Petunia knew the term Dementor as she lets it slip (OoTP pg 33/34). In explanation she looks at Uncle Vernon in fearful apology & says jerkily "I heard - that awful boy - telling her about them - years ago". Now i always assumed that she meant James telling Lily... but just maybe she meant Wormtail...? I mean her parents were extremely proud of having a witch in the family so it's highly likely Lily would have been allowed her friends over in the holidays etc & once she was with James it is highly likely that the rest of the clan (ie Sirius, Lupin, Wormtail) would have been in tow at some stage. Peter was the underdog of the group that didn't really fit in. Petunia was the underdog of her family & didn't really fit in... just maybe they found allies in eachother & struck up some kind of relationship. Petunia's loathing of her sister, coupled with being involved with Wormtail could explain why he eventually betrayed them... It also seems extremely odd that, unless Petunia had been somehow more involved in the magical world (or with someone from the magical world), than we realise, she would even have remembered such an obscure term...?! 3. We know that non-magical people can't see Dementors but squibs, altho also unable to see them, can [i[/b][/i] their presence... Mrs Figg accurately described the feelings that the Dementors' presence had evoked, & the terrible thoughts they brought with them, in her court testimony (OoTP pg 132). But, interestingly, we also know that Dudley felt the Dementors presence in the Alleyway at the beginning of the same book, as on page 32/33 he too describes, prior to Mrs Figg's testimony, those very same things. How is that possible if he is not magical in some way? I mean if his mother was a muggle but his father was a wizard he must at least be a squib. But if he is just a muggle, how did he feel the Dementor's presence? 4. Harry is always having his likeness to his mother mentioned & it always relates to her eyes. Here we have the 'eyes' connection again. Harry looks like his mum because they have the same eyes. So why shouldn't his cousin look like his DAD because THEIR eyes are the same...? There are so many threads about a link relating to eyes & that the 'eyes' connection will come to light in Book 7... but maybe just maybe the 'eyes' link is not going to be so obvious. Maybe it is going to be about Dudley & Wormtail rather than, or even aswell as, Harry & Lily Potter!  Anyway, i'm sorry if the above is fairly verbose but i am just trying to spew all my thoughts out before i forget them. In fact i think i had more points to back it all up but my brain has gotten a bit overloaded with all my new thoughts & enthusiasm for an original twist!! lolI'm sure there will be plenty of 'shoot me down in flames' comments but at least it's a new thread & a theory that nobody else has come up with yet...!? I hope! I look forward to reading some responses. Thanks for listening...  I also want to add that i think DD howler to Petunia fits in with this theory also, as when Petunia received it & DD's voice boomed 'remember my last' etc... Petunia was shaken to the core & insisted that Harry stay with them... I always thought it was odd that a mere reminder about Harry's safety (ie staying at Privet Drive with family...) was enough to shake his aunt considering she has little or no evident love for him. Maybe DD's howler was actually reminding her of a threat to let her secret out? I am now wondering, after a restless night's sleep dreaming & pondering about it, lol, if DD had contacted Petunia previously & warned her that he knew about Dudley. Maybe he has magical abilities that have not shown themelves, altho i doubt this as we have never been given any indication that he had potential or he too would have been offered a place at Hogwart's etc. But if he were no more than a squib, Dudley himself would be none the wiser but someone at the Ministry or DD at least would surely know of his existence. Mrs Figg was on a checkable register (OoTP - Harry's trial) so perhaps Dudley is too altho it is not common knowledge. I'm also wondering what Dudley's memories might have been from when the Dementor's put awful thoughts into his head. That freaked Petunia out & could poss have some bearing? I now think that Petunia's reaction to the Howler was to protect herself & Dudley rather than a direct attempt to protect her loathed nephew. I haven't managed to work out how Uncle Vernon fits into the Wormtail/Dudley theory timewise... - whether Petunia had a brief affair or what... but i think it's fair to say that Wormtail has no knowledge of Dudley's existence/parentage etc. His eventually finding out could have a beneficial effect on his helping Harry tho... possibly. I also think the fact that Vernon & Petunia never had any subsequent children after Dudley could be relevant. Maybe they/he couldn't actually have children. Anyway, just a few more of my thoughts! merged by LL mod You_wont_know_who -------------------- Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. That way when you criticise him... you'll be a mile away... & have his shoes!!
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Jan 22 2007, 03:46 AM
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Monster Book Stacker Posts: 367 Joined: 4:02am December 22, 2006 |
Here is one of the arrows you were anticipating!
Seeing the way Petunia hates witches and wizards, I'd say she never had an affair with with one. Also, I think if Lily pondered on the Dementor question, she would've asked her husband. Nice theory though! -------------------- Where there is love, there is life.
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Jan 22 2007, 04:23 AM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 62 Joined: 3:59pm January 5, 2006 Location: At Florean Fortescue's UK franchise, scoffing icecream |
Hi Lils *removes arrow* lol
Lily didn't ponder the question of dementors. She actually knew the term. Vernon had never heard of them... he couldn't even say repeat the word once he'd heard it. Thanks for your reply tho - & the arrow!! And... re: your next comment *points down whilst removing replacement arrow!!*  lolShe DID know what they were - that's the whole point... she knew what they were AND what they did. Vernon was oblivious. This post has been edited by HPNutter: Jan 22 2007, 09:10 AM -------------------- Never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. That way when you criticise him... you'll be a mile away... & have his shoes!!
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Jan 22 2007, 04:52 AM
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Monster Book Stacker Posts: 367 Joined: 4:02am December 22, 2006 |
Heehee... replacing arrow... aim... fire!
She probably didn't know what Dementors were, since she needed to be told. Maybe she heard someone say Dementor and wondered... Then again, Vernon isn't the most efficient "rememberer". -------------------- Where there is love, there is life.
Love is a wonderful and terrible thing You cannot contain love; it is not a substance, nor an object, it is abstract and innocent Love. Love what you have. Love who you have. Love. |
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Jan 22 2007, 05:20 AM
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Assistant Shopkeeper at Flourish and Blotts Posts: 1,579 Joined: 9:23pm December 23, 2006 Location: Either at Hogwarts,Hogsmeade or Diagon Alley. |
nah i don't believe that wormtail is dudleys father.jk probably used the same description to describe wormtail.
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Jan 22 2007, 07:09 AM
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Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 42 Joined: 12:50pm December 28, 2006 |
Hmm... good theory, but its foundation seems a bit rocky... I mean, you've really got something with the repetition of the words 'hate' and 'repulsion' in HBP. It could very well be a hidden clue to Snape's innocence! That's a clever trick...
But with Dudley's description... well, though 'small watery eyes' looks suspiscious, it might just be a coincidence because Vernon's eyes have also been described as 'piggy'. Plus, Wormtail's apearance has also been compared to Neville, I believe, when Harry picturises him during one of his dreams in PoA. Moreover, if Petunia and Peter had been together, then why would she go off and marry Vernon, if just for convenience? It should have been at least 2 years before that fatal Halloween night (because Dudley & Harry are the same age), so its not likely Peter would have become traitor yet, is it? Then why would he refuse to marry Petunia, if he had got her pregnant? Vernon seems pretty oblivious of the possibility that Dudders might not be his child, so how did Petunia manage to get over the shock of being rejected, begin to court Vernon, get engaged and get married and then pretend to conceive, without arousing any suspiscion? QUOTE We know that non-magical people can't see Dementors but squibs, altho also unable to see them, can [i[/b][/i] their presence... No, actually I think Lupin said Muggles can't see Dementors but can feel their presence... Good thinking with this theory though, Cheers. 
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Jan 22 2007, 07:47 AM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 184 Joined: 12:08am May 16, 2006 Location: On a hunt for the sacred advanced copy of Book 7 |
I just flat out love this theory. Personaly I hate Wormtail and Dudley, and when you put them together I love to hate them. Thanks for the laugh, I love this theory.
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Jan 22 2007, 08:24 AM
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Kibble Boy/Girl at the Magical Menagerie Posts: 295 Joined: 1:08am December 30, 2006 Location: Lounging in Leaky to discuss DH... |
Oh I had a good time reading the theory...Nice little things are pointed out as evidences to support the theory
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Jan 22 2007, 08:32 AM
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Junior Dishwasher at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 601 Joined: 1:00pm September 21, 2006 Location: Teaching Winky how to cook |
Nice theory, wondered why you did'nt mention the pig tail( very worm like) that Hagrid graced Dudley with in book one. The idea is really good,but, would Petunia have a child out of wedlock or do you think she was married to Peter before Vernon?
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Jan 22 2007, 11:32 AM
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Quality Quidditch Supplies Test-Flyer Posts: 1,273 Joined: 5:55pm October 4, 2005 Location: Moominland |
QUOTE(Lils @ Jan 22 2007, 08:46 AM) [snapback]1072261[/snapback] Here is one of the arrows you were anticipating! Seeing the way Petunia hates witches and wizards, I'd say she never had an affair with with one. Also, I think if Lily pondered on the Dementor question, she would've asked her husband. Nice theory though! I think this theory is fairly far-fetched, but what isn't around here! As for this particular problem--Petunia hating wizards--can be easily explained. I have a feeling that along with Petunia being jealous of her sister, there are other reasons she hates magic. One reason is that she fears magic; she doesn't understand it, and it killed her sister. Perhaps another reason is that Wormtail left her. That would certainly be a reason to hold a grudge against wizards! That said, I don't think this theory makes perfect sense. The main problem is: where does Vernon fit into this story? Also, the description of the eyes is not necessarily a clue because Jo often uses the same descriptions for different characters. It's a very cool theory, HPNutter! -------------------- "You can't fool me, there ain't no sanity clause!" -Chico Marx  ex Room 101 l I Survived the Corner Café l ex Room 13 l ex Chamber 7 Avatar and Sig by me |
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