Dumbledore, Dead Or Alive?, could it be? Part 18 |
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 Jun 19 2006, 02:26 AM
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And the discussion continues! Is Dumbledore alive or dead?
Please remember to stay on the topic at hand and please remember to be nice while posting. (Can I do a little mod gushing here? ok, I will) this thread has been WONDERFUL lately in including all in the discussion and in being considerate of all points of view, thanks so much – it makes my job all the more pleasant - please continue on! You may find part seventeen here. minime LL mod |
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Jun 19 2006, 04:50 AM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 145 Joined: 1:29pm May 31, 2006 Location: In the cave trying to find that damned boat |
I am now convinced, Dumbledore is alive, and he said it himself.
In previous posts and on other topics I have asked the question what happened in the cave. DD drank the potion and almost died. Harry did the Rennervate and a flash of red light and Harry's heart leapt (Oh hear he goes again I hear you all cry - but hold on for a moment).... What I think happened is that the Rennervate spell Harry did whilst pointing his wand at the chest of DD caused the flash of Red light and he (DD) passed something into Harrys heart as it leapt after Harry used the Rennervate spell in the Cave after DD had drank the potion. This is what caused the change of DD to be no longer worried for now he was with Harry, in the true sense of the words – he was now in Harry’s heart!!!!!! ("I am with you" – he said it himself). Yes, he's alive and he's in Harry !!!!!  The only thing left was to finally get Snape to kill his old body. A potion causing you to relive your worst memory and to drain you of all physical power at the same time. The potion made him relive the memory, the transfer of his being into Harry made him weak. About time he got a new body . . . -------------------- Keith
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Jun 19 2006, 05:50 AM
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In Charge of Invisible Books of Invisibility Posts: 1,185 Joined: 11:01pm March 25, 2005 Location: Looking for JKR - I want to thank her |
I have posted in another thread about this. If anyone could pull this off it would be Dumbldore. Whether he would or not is the tough one. He is not afraid of death, like Voldemort, but the importance of what needs to be done is so great. He knows more than anyone that Harry must do this alone - throughout the series it is said 'as long as Dumbledore's around, Harry safe' - he has to be out of the picture. The one thing that really really gets my attention, and makes me wonder if this is all a set up is one of the first things we learn about Dumbledore. Right after Voldemort attacked Harry as a baby, Dumbledore did a lot of thinking and planning for the future - in the first scene of the first book, Dumbledore says "I would trust Hagrid with my life." JKR just doesn't throw in such statements without reason. Then, after the tower scene - Hagrid is the one to take care of Dumbledore's body. We have not yet found out what has happened in the past for Dumbledore to make such a statement of trust. I don't know if he could have forseen a reason to fake or prevent his own death. He is extremely smart, but how big of an ego does he have? He doesn't seem to be egotistical, except, in book 6 we see a touch of it. Could he have forgotten that everyone is replaceable? He does tell Harry that when a man as smart as he is does make a mistake, is it that much larger.I would trust Hagrid with my life - Did he?
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Jun 19 2006, 07:57 AM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 202 Joined: 3:31am September 18, 2005  |
QUOTE(Keith from Holland @ Jun 19 2006, 09:50 AM) [snapback]858985[/snapback] I am now convinced, Dumbledore is alive, and he said it himself. In previous posts and on other topics I have asked the question what happened in the cave. DD drank the potion and almost died. Harry did the Rennervate and a flash of red light and Harry's heart leapt (Oh hear he goes again I hear you all cry - but hold on for a moment).... What I think happened is that the Rennervate spell Harry did whilst pointing his wand at the chest of DD caused the flash of Red light and he (DD) passed something into Harrys heart as it leapt after Harry used the Rennervate spell in the Cave after DD had drank the potion. This is what caused the change of DD to be no longer worried for now he was with Harry, in the true sense of the words – he was now in Harry’s heart!!!!!! ("I am with you" – he said it himself). Yes, he's alive and he's in Harry !!!!! The only thing left was to finally get Snape to kill his old body. A potion causing you to relive your worst memory and to drain you of all physical power at the same time. The potion made him relive the memory, the transfer of his being into Harry made him weak. About time he got a new body . . . Owlsgoddess I sometimes wonder whether this has something to do with the phoenix theory going around because when a phoenix is destroyed they are re-born not strong but weak and we have Hagrid in the care of magical creatures post. This could be major foreshadowing something to do with an ability Albus might have. Perhaps Dumbledore trusts Hagrid with his life because of something that happened during the confrontation between Dumbledore and Grindlewald as Hagrid was around at that time. -------------------- 'Well - it's just that you seem to be labouring under the delusion that I am going to - what is the phrase? - come quietly. I am afraid I am not going to come quietly at all... Albus Dumbledore, OotP, page 546 |
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Jun 19 2006, 08:01 AM
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Firebolt-Polisher at Quality Quidditch Supplies Posts: 1,049 Joined: 1:28pm July 21, 2005 |
Keith, I think that is a fascinating theory. I think to flush it out you need to consider all of the events of that night to see how they affect your theory. You also would do well to find canon support for such an event somewhere else. Quirrel comes to mind.
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Jun 19 2006, 10:47 AM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 145 Joined: 1:29pm May 31, 2006 Location: In the cave trying to find that damned boat |
QUOTE(baylor2009 @ Jun 19 2006, 02:01 PM) [snapback]859084[/snapback] Keith, I think that is a fascinating theory. I think to flush it out you need to consider all of the events of that night to see how they affect your theory. You also would do well to find canon support for such an event somewhere else. Quirrel comes to mind. Quirrel ??  Please elaborate, why does Quirrel come to mind.Also check out the "What really happened in the Cave" topic recently opened (or re-opened as someone indicated it had been discussed before). -------------------- Keith
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Jun 19 2006, 10:57 AM
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Eeylops Owl Cage Cleaner Posts: 248 Joined: 4:03pm May 8, 2006 |
i believe dumbledore is dead and i believe it was the large mistake he made, their isn't any larger mistake and the fact that he is sleeping is the hint that before dying he drank draught of living dead and his portrait will never wake,
now harry is alone to face this task but his death wasn't just to prove he can make a mistake, i believe it is to lead harry to RAB who is still alive sleeping somewhere, using the an antidote found in the princes book he will continue onto his quest for the horcruxes with an ex-death eater aiding him as dumbledore once had |
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Jun 19 2006, 11:23 AM
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Firebolt-Polisher at Quality Quidditch Supplies Posts: 1,049 Joined: 1:28pm July 21, 2005 |
Keith, correct me if I am wrong, but your theory is essentially that his body died but his spirit lives on in much the same way as LV's did after his failed attempt on Harry. LV then possesses Quirrel in a much more evil variant of what you are arguing DD did.
-------------------- The C.A.N.D.Y.S. all gone.
"Harry was left to ponder in silence the depths to which girls would sink to get revenge." "Shut up," he explained. - Ring Lardner "The Young Immigrants" |
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Jun 19 2006, 12:02 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 145 Joined: 1:29pm May 31, 2006 Location: In the cave trying to find that damned boat |
QUOTE(baylor2009 @ Jun 19 2006, 05:23 PM) [snapback]859333[/snapback] Keith, correct me if I am wrong, but your theory is essentially that his body died but his spirit lives on in much the same way as LV's did after his failed attempt on Harry. LV then possesses Quirrel in a much more evil variant of what you are arguing DD did. Hi Baylor2009, Ah, ok - now I see the link, although in the theory I posted it is not quite the same. DD didn't die when he passed his "goodness" into Harry, he was still alive and kicking and capable of performing magic (the ring of fire in the cave, the undoing of the enchantments guarding Hogwarts when they flew in and the body-binding of Harry - if indeed DD actually did this), but he was weak. He passed something onto a Harry, maybe part of his "Love" but I don't know what, not yet anyway.I liked also 2Bluebels idea about the Red and Green potion and the linking this to the Lillie on the JKR site - what creative thinking  One of the ideas I posted much earlier was about the Chocolate Frog Cards, but I think that they are now more of a kind of "bugging" device where he justs watches over them and listens to them whenever he is in Harry's particular card. The protraits in the Headmasters study, described in the books as a kind of Aura, well maybe it was the Aura that DD passed into Harry, which could be why the DD protrait was asleep, although all the portraits in the headmasters office seem to be asleep quite a lot of the time so it could mean nothing. So if it is the Aura of DD that was passed into Harry then it still holds up "I am not afraid, I am with you". He is alive . . . but not in body. -------------------- Keith
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Jun 19 2006, 04:21 PM
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Kibble Boy/Girl at the Magical Menagerie Posts: 280 Joined: 5:00pm February 23, 2005 Location: The Deathly Hallows |
If you have read Mellissa's interview that she did last year with JK when HBP came out, you will see that she states plainly that Dumbledore is dead. When she kills off a character, it's gone for good. I always knew Dumbledore would have to die. She killed him off because Harry's got to finish off Voldemort by himself. It's all in the interview.
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