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Dumbledore's Agony- The emerald potion
sloethorn
post Jul 4 2007, 03:49 PM
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Think back to the scene in the 'Cave' where Dumbledore drinks that shimmering green liquid. He obviously undergoes some significant mental, physical and spiritual crisis. This takes the form of a kind of trial or inquisition. At first I thought that DD was encountering Voldemort. Dumbledore tells Harry that Voldemort would

"not want immediately to kill the person drinking the potion - he would want to find out how they managed to penetrate his defences"

Yet surely the scene is too morally significant for it simply to be one of Voldemorts traps.

Dumbledore is so utterly vulnerable here. He is stripped of all power and all defences. Surely this is not play acting so he can fool an evil monster?

The Inquisitor(s) seem to have absolute authority.
Dumbledore (the greatest wizard that ever lived) is almost childlike in their presence.

He admits culpability for something, "It's all my fault, it's all my fault, I know I did wrong..."

His keenest agony is in witnessing the suffering of others; "Don't hurt them, please, it's my fault, hurt me instead..."

Is this simply deadly, dark magic at play or is there an "older magic" here. Is Dumbledore, spiritually naked, coming face to face with his own conscience? Is the green draught a kind doorway to purgatory , that will exorcise 'sin'?

This means that an 'evil' wizard would be able to consume the potion with very few side effects. Only someone as loving and compassionate as Dumbledore would suffer so greatly.

I think Dumbledore was already dying as he reached the lightening struck tower.

He'd already made the sacrifice.

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- sloethorn   Dumbledore's Agony- The emerald potion   Jul 4 2007, 03:49 PM
- - Augurey   I really hope that we´re going to find out exactly...   Jul 5 2007, 05:37 AM
- - The Sportz Freak   Well, if its one thing..DD is too kind and goos fo...   Jul 5 2007, 06:04 AM
|- - potterfan6   QUOTE(The Sportz Freak @ Jul 5 2007, 09:0...   Jul 7 2007, 06:17 AM
- - the_boy_who_lived   I think that Voldemort placed his memories of all ...   Jul 5 2007, 11:02 AM
|- - Augurey   QUOTE(the_boy_who_lived @ Jul 5 2007, 04...   Jul 5 2007, 12:57 PM
|- - the_boy_who_lived   QUOTE(Augurey @ Jul 5 2007, 12:57 PM) 129...   Jul 5 2007, 01:48 PM
|- - gregory_the_smarmy   QUOTE(the_boy_who_lived @ Jul 5 2007, 11...   Jul 5 2007, 03:59 PM
|- - Augurey   QUOTE(gregory_the_smarmy @ Jul 5 2007, 08...   Jul 6 2007, 05:49 AM
|- - Falmouth Falcon   QUOTE(Augurey @ Jul 6 2007, 03:49 AM) 129...   Jul 6 2007, 02:57 PM
|- - noramac   QUOTE(Falmouth Falcon @ Jul 6 2007, 03:57...   Jul 6 2007, 03:05 PM
|- - Falmouth Falcon   QUOTE(noramac @ Jul 6 2007, 01:05 PM) 129...   Jul 6 2007, 03:26 PM
- - sloethorn   And Kreature being evil would not suffer the effec...   Jul 5 2007, 02:47 PM
- - the_boy_who_lived   Kreacher being a house-elf would react differently...   Jul 5 2007, 02:58 PM
- - sloethorn   Thus evil contains the seeds of its own destructio...   Jul 5 2007, 04:12 PM
- - suemegjake   I agree about DD was already dying. As much as I ...   Jul 6 2007, 10:38 AM
- - ravenclawgirl34   hmmm... i trust snape, too, though unwillingly. i...   Jul 6 2007, 10:48 AM
|- - Chantal114   QUOTE(ravenclawgirl34 @ Jul 7 2007, 01:48...   Jul 9 2007, 08:39 PM
|- - Falmouth Falcon   QUOTE(Chantal114 @ Jul 9 2007, 06:39 PM) ...   Jul 9 2007, 08:49 PM
- - suemegjake   excellent thought, also. Does DD want Harry to go...   Jul 6 2007, 10:55 AM
- - dobyknowsall   QUOTE(sloethorn @ Jul 4 2007, 05:49 PM) 1...   Jul 6 2007, 12:59 PM
|- - innkeeper_tom   First of all: *puts mod hat on* I really appreci...   Jul 6 2007, 02:41 PM
|- - dobyknowsall   QUOTE(innkeeper_tom @ Jul 6 2007, 04:41 P...   Jul 7 2007, 12:22 AM
- - sloethorn   It seems a hubristic over sight on Voldemort's...   Jul 7 2007, 02:05 PM
- - Chocolatl   I think any wizard, evil or good, would be affecte...   Jul 7 2007, 06:07 PM
- - potterfan6   QUOTEI think any wizard, evil or good, would be af...   Jul 7 2007, 08:20 PM
|- - Falmouth Falcon   QUOTE(potterfan6 @ Jul 7 2007, 06:20 PM) ...   Jul 7 2007, 11:22 PM
||- - Gypsy Songman   QUOTE(Falmouth Falcon @ Jul 7 2007, 11:22...   Jul 10 2007, 02:35 PM
||- - Falmouth Falcon   QUOTE(Gypsy Songman @ Jul 10 2007, 12:35 ...   Jul 10 2007, 02:52 PM
||- - Gypsy Songman   QUOTE(Falmouth Falcon @ Jul 10 2007, 02:5...   Jul 10 2007, 04:07 PM
||- - Falmouth Falcon   QUOTE(Gypsy Songman @ Jul 10 2007, 02:07 ...   Jul 10 2007, 05:12 PM
|- - Chocolatl   QUOTE(potterfan6 @ Jul 7 2007, 08:20 PM) ...   Jul 8 2007, 04:49 PM
|- - Falmouth Falcon   QUOTE(Chocolatl @ Jul 8 2007, 02:49 PM) 1...   Jul 9 2007, 01:29 PM
- - Padfoot_lives08   those couple of paragraphs really made me want to ...   Jul 8 2007, 05:02 PM
|- - Falmouth Falcon   QUOTE(Padfoot_lives08 @ Jul 8 2007, 03:02...   Jul 8 2007, 06:00 PM
- - harrypotterinpersinator   I think that snape brewed that potion and what dum...   Jul 8 2007, 06:21 PM
- - Chocolatl   There are a great many cultures that have some sim...   Jul 9 2007, 08:27 PM
- - princess eileen   Didnt Jo say we need to look up book 6 for possibl...   Jul 10 2007, 03:04 PM
- - iswearimawitch   QUOTE(Falmouth Falcon @ Jul 11 2007, 08:1...   Jul 11 2007, 02:01 AM
- - LilyB   I suspect the potion to be some kind of liquid bog...   Jul 11 2007, 09:43 AM


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