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The Fidelus charm, Hagrid and Harry, Back on that Night in Godric's Hollow...
labrattus
post Sep 30 2005, 08:44 PM
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OK, so here's something that I thought about tonight when I was watching PS AGAIN with my son.  

We all know that the Fidelus charm prevents people from knowing the location of a building unless the secret keeper tells them, either directly or indirectly.

Peter Pettigrew was the secret keeper for the Potters.  Up until PoA we believe him to be dead, but find out that he is in fact alive.  The only people who knew that Peter was the secret keeper were the Potters and Sirius.

However, the evening when the Potters were killed Hagrid went to Godric's Hollow and collected Harry from the destroyed house.

Would the fidelus charm be functional only in an intact house?  If not, then is destruction of the building a means of negating the fidelus?  If someone planted a bomb on Snape for example so that it destroyed 12 Grimmauld place would the headquarters for the OoTP be revealed (when it was still the headquarters)?

Would this be the reason that JK HAD to destroy the house?  The AK spell should not have done it on it's own, but was it necessary so that Hagrid could find Harry?  Or is this an oversight/error on JK's part?  Or was there someone else there that night who might have helped Hagrid to find Harry?  It could not have been Peter, and Sirius wasn't the secret keeper.  Perhaps Sirius, their best friend who MUST have been privy to the secret went into the house to get Harry?

Any thoughts?


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- labrattus   The Fidelus charm, Hagrid and Harry   Sep 30 2005, 08:44 PM
- - S'Buttons   Hi, I don't have all of the answers to all of ...   Sep 30 2005, 09:06 PM
- - HeleneB   I've thought that the Fidelus charm was broken...   Sep 30 2005, 11:13 PM
- - roonwit   It is a very good question as to how Hagrid got Ha...   Oct 1 2005, 06:01 AM
- - HeleneB   QUOTE(roonwit @ Oct. 01 2005,5:01 am) [*]Som...   Oct 1 2005, 08:27 AM
- - cuffytdm   What about the theory as simple as soon as the sec...   Oct 1 2005, 02:20 PM
- - labrattus   QUOTE(cuffytdm @ Oct. 01 2005,15:20 ) What ab...   Oct 1 2005, 02:47 PM
- - cuffytdm   Good point...  i am going to have to read OotP aga...   Oct 1 2005, 03:14 PM
- - esmesqualor   Somewhere around here there is another thread rega...   Oct 2 2005, 09:22 AM
- - Cedrick_Diggory   I think that Harry will try to bring back his pare...   Oct 2 2005, 11:43 AM
- - HeleneB   QUOTE(Cedrick_Diggory @ Oct. 02 2005,10:43 am...   Oct 2 2005, 12:07 PM
- - montims   Voldemort was destroyed to all intents and purpose...   Oct 2 2005, 12:57 PM
- - Theowyn   In the case of the Potters, the Fidelus Charm was ...   Oct 3 2005, 05:29 PM
- - Este   It's not that no one else knew where they were...   Oct 6 2005, 11:17 PM
- - ravenclawsmoment   dotn u remember that dumblredore knew that peter w...   Oct 7 2005, 06:03 AM
- - Love4Fawkes   I believe that DD did not know that the Potters sw...   Oct 7 2005, 07:46 PM
- - Errez_Charme   You cant bring people back from the dead. Lupin to...   Oct 7 2005, 09:22 PM
- - pheonix_tez   to be able to enter a place under the fideles char...   Oct 9 2005, 09:59 AM
- - LilyB   You do not need to be a secret keeper to know some...   Oct 11 2005, 01:04 PM
- - roonwit   QUOTE(LilyB @ Oct. 11 2005,7:04 pm) You do no...   Oct 11 2005, 02:06 PM
- - daydreamcharms   As people here have already mentioned, and the way...   Oct 11 2005, 11:48 PM
- - Bolt_from_the_Blue   QUOTE(daydreamcharms @ Oct. 11 2005,9:48 pm) ...   Oct 12 2005, 03:47 AM
- - daydreamcharms   But in the case of the Potters, the Fidelius was u...   Oct 12 2005, 04:16 AM
- - Love4Fawkes   Well if we are assuming that Peter told DD and Sir...   Oct 12 2005, 08:27 PM
- - daydreamcharms   But Peter wasn't in the Order, and if the Pott...   Oct 12 2005, 11:54 PM
- - Love4Fawkes   In PoA Fudge says "And then, barely a week af...   Oct 13 2005, 05:06 PM
- - roonwit   QUOTE(Love4Fawkes @ Oct. 13 2005,2:27 am) Wel...   Oct 13 2005, 06:21 PM
- - Cynical?   There is absolutely no evidence that the state of ...   Oct 13 2005, 07:19 PM
- - daydreamcharms   Thanks for the correction about Peter in the Order...   Oct 13 2005, 07:57 PM
- - Love4Fawkes   I don't think JKR messed up on this one. ...   Oct 13 2005, 08:44 PM
- - daydreamcharms   Hidden specifically from LV and his DEs, most like...   Oct 13 2005, 11:11 PM
- - B.Anne   And, as we learn in GoF, Sirius never actually HAD...   Oct 14 2005, 10:53 AM
- - Love4Fawkes   hmmm, good point B. Anne.  I'm going to h...   Oct 14 2005, 09:04 PM
- - Slytherinheir   I think that once we learn how the Fidelius charm ...   Oct 14 2005, 10:25 PM
- - wildflour   Hey there,    This is my first post aft...   Oct 14 2005, 10:39 PM
- - roonwit   I don't think there is a mystery as to why Dum...   Oct 15 2005, 11:03 AM
- - wildflour   Yeah,     Having asked the question at ...   Oct 15 2005, 12:18 PM
- - daydreamcharms   If the Potters cast it and it ceased to operate th...   Oct 17 2005, 12:41 AM
- - Bolt_from_the_Blue   QUOTE(Cynical? @ Oct. 13 2005,5:19 pm) There ...   Oct 17 2005, 03:04 AM
- - Bolt_from_the_Blue   QUOTE(daydreamcharms @ Oct. 16 2005,10:41 pm)...   Oct 17 2005, 03:14 AM
- - roonwit   Wormtail may not have told Voldemort about the sec...   Oct 17 2005, 05:22 AM
- - Love4Fawkes   QUOTE(roonwit @ Oct. 17 2005,06:22 ) The impl...   Oct 19 2005, 08:34 PM
- - BlueWiz@rd   I don't think that people who knew where the p...   Oct 24 2005, 10:22 AM
- - Arianhrod   QUOTEI don't think that people who knew where ...   Oct 24 2005, 01:15 PM
- - roonwit   QUOTE(BlueWiz@rd @ Oct. 24 2005,4:22 pm) I do...   Oct 24 2005, 01:35 PM
- - Arianhrod   QUOTE(Arianhrod @ Oct. 24 2005,7:15 pm) This is ...   Oct 24 2005, 01:52 PM
- - Love4Fawkes   QUOTE(roonwit @ Oct. 24 2005,14:35 ) QUOTE(Bl...   Oct 30 2005, 09:11 PM
- - roonwit   QUOTE(Love4Fawkes @ Oct. 31 2005,2:11 am)Ok, ...   Oct 31 2005, 04:44 AM
- - MyBadDay   I have just read Mrs. Rowling's F.A.Q. poll an...   Feb 22 2006, 01:52 AM
- - stewiegryf   We don't know if the actual house was hidden, ...   Feb 22 2006, 01:58 AM
- - lilian   it is probable that wormtail has given the informa...   Feb 22 2006, 06:07 AM
- - sang-min1980   QUOTE(lilian @ Feb. 22 2006,6:07 am) it is pr...   Feb 22 2006, 06:14 AM
- - Macro   Given Peter's character flaws, I can see him t...   Feb 22 2006, 07:17 AM
- - UmgubularSlashkilter   The charm was only over the Potters themselves.  I...   Feb 22 2006, 08:12 AM
- - NYBookworm   Here's an idea, please debunk as you see reaso...   Feb 22 2006, 10:40 AM
- - Evreka   QUOTE(MyBadDay @ Feb. 22 2006,7:52 am) I have...   Feb 22 2006, 01:27 PM
- - Praxagora   QUOTE(Evreka @ Feb. 22 2006,13:27 ) think the...   Feb 22 2006, 02:11 PM
- - TaraLynne   QUOTE(MyBadDay @ Feb. 22 2006,01:52 ) I have ...   Feb 22 2006, 11:02 PM
- - Evreka   QUOTE(Praxagora @ Feb. 22 2006,8:11 pm)QUOTE(...   Feb 23 2006, 11:38 AM
- - roonwit   There is more in Jo's answer than there appear...   Feb 23 2006, 02:52 PM
- - Evreka   QUOTE(roonwit @ Feb. 23 2006,8:52 pm) There i...   Feb 23 2006, 03:24 PM
- - Vicky-the-house-elf   QUOTE(stewiegryf @ Feb. 22 2006,1:58 am) I th...   Feb 23 2006, 03:40 PM
- - roonwit   QUOTE(Evreka @ Feb. 23 2006,8:24 pm) [font=co...   Feb 23 2006, 03:43 PM
- - BlueWizard   For a brilliant solution to the Potter house dilem...   Feb 23 2006, 05:23 PM
- - roonwit   We don't have any evidence that the charm reli...   Feb 23 2006, 06:07 PM
- - Filksinger   OK, JKR telling us some of the secrets of the Fide...   Feb 24 2006, 01:40 AM
- - sadofax   That's exactly the problem I have with the Fid...   Feb 24 2006, 07:13 AM
- - BlueWizard   [roonwit - Feb. 23 2006,18:07] " Jo says tha...   Feb 24 2006, 03:45 PM
- - roonwit   QUOTE(BlueWizard @ Feb. 24 2006,8:45 pm)Yet, ...   Feb 24 2006, 05:47 PM
- - Evreka   QUOTE(Vicky-the-house-elf @ Fe...   Feb 24 2006, 06:59 PM
- - roonwit   QUOTE(Evreka @ Feb. 24 2006,11:59 pm) QUOTE(r...   Feb 25 2006, 08:14 AM
- - ~Dumbledore's~Ghost¿~   Who exactly performed the Fidelius Charm on the Po...   Feb 25 2006, 08:38 AM
- - marielle   I think James and Sirius were talented enough wiza...   Feb 25 2006, 09:21 AM
- - ~Dumbledore's~Ghost¿~   My assumption is that Harry must have been involve...   Feb 25 2006, 10:20 AM
- - LilyB   Isn't is possible that DD, Hagrid and Sirius k...   Feb 26 2006, 01:29 PM
- - feathers_of_fire   The fact that Wormtail was the Secret Keeper doesn...   Feb 26 2006, 01:32 PM
- - Bahro   I think that the Fidelius Charm works so that it c...   Feb 26 2006, 03:08 PM
- - BlueWizard   Excellent point Lily8. This brings up something I ...   Feb 26 2006, 03:46 PM
- - BlueWizard   1.) Due to one of many possible circumstances, the...   Feb 26 2006, 03:57 PM
- - pabloSlythie   It's intersting, because when I read about the...   Feb 26 2006, 04:14 PM
- - Evreka   QUOTE(roonwit @ Feb. 25 2006,2:14 pm) QUOTE(E...   Feb 26 2006, 07:06 PM
- - roonwit   QUOTE(LilyB @ Feb. 26 2006,6:29 pm) Isn't...   Feb 26 2006, 07:51 PM
- - muffinman   It's also possible that the charm wore off whe...   Feb 26 2006, 09:32 PM
- - Urania   PabloSlythie>> Only the secret keeper can sp...   Feb 27 2006, 01:37 AM
- - Evreka   QUOTE(roonwit @ Feb. 27 2006,1:51 am) QUOTE(E...   Feb 27 2006, 08:11 AM
- - CoolCat   ok heres my two cents in this. The No.12 Grimmauld...   Feb 27 2006, 10:39 AM
- - Evreka   QUOTE(CoolCat @ Feb. 27 2006,4:39 pm) ... Hmm...   Feb 27 2006, 12:19 PM
- - roonwit   I have wondered whether Hagrid is resistant to the...   Feb 27 2006, 02:48 PM
- - ~Dumbledore's~Ghost¿~   To be honest that doesn't work either. If all ...   Feb 27 2006, 02:50 PM
- - ~Dumbledore's~Ghost¿~   QUOTEAlso a note revealing the secret is unlikely ...   Feb 27 2006, 03:10 PM
- - roonwit   QUOTE(~Dumbledore's~Ghost¿~ @ Feb. 27 200...   Feb 27 2006, 03:18 PM
- - ~Dumbledore's~Ghost¿~   QUOTE(roonwit @ Feb. 27 2006,8:18 pm) QUOTE(~...   Feb 27 2006, 03:26 PM
- - Vicky-the-house-elf   QUOTE(~Dumbledore's~Ghost¿~ @ Feb. 27 200...   Feb 27 2006, 03:54 PM
- - roonwit   QUOTE(~Dumbledore's~Ghost¿~ @ Feb. 27 200...   Feb 27 2006, 04:20 PM
- - roonwit   QUOTE(~Dumbledore's~Ghost¿~ @ Feb. 27 200...   Feb 27 2006, 07:12 PM
- - ~Dumbledore's~Ghost¿~   QUOTE(roonwit @ Feb. 27 2006,9:20 pm) QUOTE(~...   Feb 28 2006, 08:20 AM
- - lupinrocks   Sirius knew that Peter was the secret keeper becau...   Feb 28 2006, 10:24 AM
- - ~Dumbledore's~Ghost¿~   QUOTE(lupinrocks @ Feb. 28 2006,3:24 pm) Siri...   Feb 28 2006, 10:37 AM
- - poornima_c_s   on reading this post a question arised in my mind....   Feb 28 2006, 11:36 AM
- - LilyB   QUOTEThis also ties into another point made by peo...   Feb 28 2006, 12:58 PM
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