Grindelwald and Voldemort! Coicidence?, How does Dumbledore fit in? |
  Jan 23 2006, 03:44 PM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper  Posts: 76 Joined: 2:28pm June 25, 2005 Location: Looking for Snuffles :(  |
According to the timeline by HP Lexicon Harry Potter was born in 1980 and the events of book four happen in 1994. In "The Riddle House" the events of the deaths occur 50 years before making that year 1944 which would be the year that Tom Riddle made his first big move toward the dark arts.
1945 (one year later) is the year claimed to be the year Dumbeldore brought down the dark wizard Grindelwald who was supposed to be the voldemort of his time. Is this a big coincidence or is Voldemort following the path of Grindelwald? Is it possible that they knew each other and maybe Voldemort knows something we don't? And does the year have any big coicidence with WWII and Hitler? How did Dumbledore kill him? will it help with defeating voldemort? -------------------- -"Make way for the heir of Slytherin, seriously evil wizard coming through..."
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Jan 23 2006, 10:41 PM
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The Talking Mirror in Room 7 Posts: 1,782 Joined: 3:34am October 31, 2005 Location: Stealing radishes in the Gorgs' garden   |
I think it has to do with balance. There has to be evil in the wizarding world to balance out the good and vice versa.
Snape says that fighting the Dark Arts is like a many headed beast, slough of one head and a new one grows back in it's place. Get rid of Grindelwald and here comes LV. The dark force returns. I'm not saying it's the same spirit, although it could be. I once thought that maybe Tom was posessed by Grindelwald, but that's to cheesy for J.K. -------------------- There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. -Shakespeare
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Jan 24 2006, 07:39 AM
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Guest Speaker at Flourish and Blotts Posts: 5,097 Joined: 4:23am August 25, 2005 Location: nowhere to be found |
I think Grindelwald was important to Tom, even if they didn't know each other. He was like a forerunner. Perhaps Tom has observed his actions, but I don't think he was able to join him-too young and unexperienced. But if Grindelwald had created a Horcrux, and Dumbledore had destroyed it...it might have given Tom a lot of ideas.
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Jan 25 2006, 08:00 AM
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Stocking Snitches at Quality Quidditch Supplies Posts: 692 Joined: 5:55am March 12, 2005 Location: in my privat book corner |
Well, that's an interesting idea! It never occured to me that the two of them might have known each other... But to be honest, I don't think we are going to hear about Grindelwald in book 7, because it's the last book and there's already so much going on. Even Jo wouldn't be able to press that much information into the plot.
Or would she? :conf: -------------------- One morning in mid-December, Hogwarts woke to find itself covered in several feet of snow. The lake froze solid and the Weasley twins were punished for bewitching several snowballs so that they followed Quirrel around, bouncing off the back of his turban. (PS, p.210)
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Jan 25 2006, 02:09 PM
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Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 4 Joined: 12:53pm January 23, 2006 |
In that interview on this website JK said there might be something there, when the interviewers inquired about Grindelwald. So maybe the fact that DD fought and destroyed him will have some critical information pertaining to the path Harry chooses to destroy old Volde. I think anything related to Dumbledore is going to be critical to the plot of book 7.Even Grindelwald.
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Jan 31 2006, 12:25 AM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 18 Joined: 12:13am January 31, 2006 |
There has been speculation that it was from Grindewald that Tom Riddle discovered the spell that creates a horcrux - as Slughorn was unable to give him this information. I don't know where else he could have found that information out.
Also JK said in an interview that it was no coincidence WWII occured at the same time! |
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Jan 31 2006, 01:34 PM
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Director of Nicholas Flamel Laboratories Posts: 11,086 Joined: 11:06am January 28, 2005 Location: Lighting the mountain path for Llewellyn ap Gryffudd |
QUOTE How did Dumbledore kill him? will it help with defeating voldemort? I don't think Dumbledore killed Grindelwald. I think Tom did. DD probably defeated him, and he fled. When Tom acquired the cup and the locket, he left Britain in search of Grindelwald to find out more about the Horcruxes. He learned what he needed to know, then killed him. That would explain why he was gone for so long, and why his appearance wasn't radically altered until after he came back. -------------------- The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.--Harlan Ellison
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Jan 31 2006, 01:57 PM
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Leaky's New Prefect!!  Posts: 2,689 Joined: 4:56pm February 17, 2005 Location: Modding the PotterCast forum |
I just think it's a coincidence. Tom grew up in these dark times and was on his own "evil" journey as Grindelwald's was finishing. They just sort of overlapt.
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Jan 31 2006, 02:02 PM
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Assistant to Nicholas Flammel Posts: 2,201 Joined: 3:46pm July 20, 2005 Location: peering over at M's and Ari's cheat notes! |
or the "idol" Tom wanted to follow and or become-
I do happen to like A's version though. As talented as JK is -she is wordly and prolific in her stating what is going on in the world. Even if the connection between Grindelwald is a slight and meaningful depiction of WW and Hilter and ends there, then she has done what she has set out to do. -------------------- spirited member of Vault
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Jan 31 2006, 02:05 PM
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Disgruntled House-Elf at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 446 Joined: 3:58pm September 3, 2005 Location: In the laundry room at Hogwarts, trying to scourgify Snape's dingy greys, into tidy whiteys! |
This whole idea of Grindelwald and Tom has caused me to wonder many times. I have heard, just from people I know, that say Satan always has one "evil guy in training" for each generation. They say this because the Bible states that no one will know the exact time for the end times, Satan always has to have someone ready to step into the role of anti-Christ. It makes me wonder if Jo isn't using this evil, enduring spirit idea. Evil to be defeated in each generation. I'm not so sure defeated is even the right term. Maybe more like squashed until the next generation. I don't know---just a thought that keeps coming back to me :wink:
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