HBP on the Silver Screen, *at long last, love!* |
 Jul 17 2009, 05:28 PM
Post
#11
|
|
Madame Pince's House Elf  Posts: 4,720 Joined: 5:46pm January 28, 2005 Location: In HP Book Club 5, awaiting Deathly Hallow's release.  |
So would I like to go back and see it a second time. The scenes that I loved most included Draco's and Dumbledore's on the top of the tower, finding out who was the Half-blood Prince, and Ron's love potion scenes. Also, the ending very nicely and properly leads into DH with Hermione's commitment to accompany Harry even though it doesn't include Dumbledore's funeral.
I liked Lavender, funnily enough. The girl who played her does really well.  I'm sorry I didn't see Cormac McLaggan knocking Harry out on the Quidditch Pitch and looked in vain for a certain tiara in the Room of Requirement plus a certain smelly sneakthief with an eye on the Black family silver. Did someone say the Other Minister scene was actually in the movie, after all? This post has been edited by WaggaWaggaWerewolf: Jul 17 2009, 05:33 PM --------------------  Check out Book Number 5 POA edition. |
 |
  
 
|
|
Jul 17 2009, 10:00 PM
Post
#12
|
|
Being Eaten by the Pea Soup  Posts: 18 Joined: 8:34pm July 17, 2009 |
Hmm...well, I really was looking forward to the love potion scene with Ron, and it certainly did not dissapoint as I found it absolutly hilarious. And even though I wanted to hit Ron for not realizing the feelings Hermione has for him, the Ron and Lavender pair up was nice and funny too.
Small things I missed: Well the real biggy for me is the fact that they had no funeral for Dumbledore. I mean, it really shows the depth that the students and teachers of Hogwarts had for him...well most students and teachers. The whole wand thing was good yeah, but it was also the place Harry and Ginny had their temporary break up, which is, in my opinion, a significant part also. Another one: I know that even in the book, they didn't have really big roles, but I had hoped I'd get to see Neville and Luna a bit more. This is completely irrational considering you're not to expect big roles for them, but I only recall Harry talking to Neville once and Luna twice maybe three times. Also the fight scene at the end where Bill gets ripped up by Fenrir Greyback they completely left out as with the meetings in the hospital wing, which was alas, another disappointment. One more. I was anticipating the scenes in which Harry and Dumbledore whitness the happenings of Morfin at the House of Gaunt through the pensieve and at the beginning where Dumbledore patronizes the Dursleys. People who have read the book first and liked it are almost automatically prone to small downers like mine, but really it was a good movie. I plan to see it again in a few days.
-------------------- There is a bit of insanity in dancing that does everybody a great deal of good.
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 20 2009, 11:15 AM
Post
#13
|
|
|
Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 1 Joined: 9:55pm July 18, 2009 |
I was thoroughly disappointed with the film version of HBP. My reasons are as follows. On the whole, the film had a lack of focus. The most important thing about the story is the potion book, the Half-Blood Prince, and the journey to discover as much about Lord Voldemort as possible. Instead, there were unecessary scenes added that were never in the book, a whole lot of unecessary snogging, and a lot of things thrown in that just seemed like filler. As funny as Lavender and Cormac were in the film, they are minor characters that have little importance to the main plot and I think they were given too much screen time. I also had the feeling that the film was making fun of itself in places. There were so many jokes thrown in (especially pokes at how long the series has been going on) that you could almost see the actors laughing at the ridiculously long time they have spent making these films. In my opinion, the comedy should be there, just as it is in the books, but the rich main plot could have taken center stage. In the book there are 6 or 7 memories of Tom Riddle that Dumbledore shares with Harry. Now it would be of course impossible to show them all, but if it were not for some of the unecessary filler scenes in the film, there could have been a few more of these memories slipped in. The bridge scene in the beginning, the endless adolescent relationship scenes, and most of all the out of no where attack on the burrow scene, were all unecessary and could have been cut out completely, leaving about 15 to 20 minutes that could have been dedicated to the story of Tom Riddle. Seeing Tom Riddle's family in the books was one of the most frightening and interesting things about the series, and without it the movie suffered from underdevelopedment. I also felt that there was really no explanation for anything. A quick scene with Tom Riddle and Hepzibah Smith would have properly introduced the locket and the cup that turn out to be an essential part of the plot. I felt that the climatic scene in the end at the cave was not earned. The audience does not know why the cave is significant, and when they see Harry finding a locket, they don't really know why or what the locket even is. I think I am beginning to ramble, so I will wrap this up. To recap, I think the film failed at sucessfully preparing us for the final two movies. It is painfully pounded into our skulls who will end up with who in the film of HBP, but it is unclear who Lord Voldemort is. My favorite part of the film were the scenes with young Tom Riddle. It is too bad there were not more.
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 20 2009, 01:14 PM
Post
#14
|
|
Ollivander's Apprentice Posts: 2,176 Joined: 7:39pm March 11, 2007 Location: wandering in the Forbidden Forest, listening for the Phoenix song    |
QUOTE(dumbledore592 @ Jul 20 2009, 12:15 PM)  The most important thing about the story is the potion book, the Half-Blood Prince, and the journey to discover as much about Lord Voldemort as possible....In the book there are 6 or 7 memories of Tom Riddle that Dumbledore shares with Harry. Now it would be of course impossible to show them all, but if it were not for some of the unecessary filler scenes in the film, there could have been a few more of these memories slipped in. I actually quite enjoyed the film; as someone else wrote, I could watch JKR sitting and writing for 2 1/2 hours and I'd be thrilled! Bringing this book "to life" is no mean accomplishment, and I think there should be enormous credit for the efforts made. The entire cast did brilliantly; the film sets were incredibly well done; and a great deal of the HBP vision was delivered. I do agree with you that any memories of the Gaunts and Merope were vital, and I'm wracking my brains as to why they were omitted. The ringcrux, the locketcrux, and the cupcrux are all integral to the series; perhaps we'll have some flashbacks in one of the two DH movies? QUOTE The bridge scene in the beginning, the endless adolescent relationship scenes, and most of all the out of no where attack on the burrow scene, were all unecessary and could have been cut out completely, leaving about 15 to 20 minutes that could have been dedicated to the story of Tom Riddle. Now here we differ.  I love  the opening scenes, which juxtapose Dumbledore and Harry coming out of the wizarding Ministry, with the scenes of the Muggle ministry struggling with the fog and terrifying series of events which they could not control. I think these brief, wordless scenes illustrate how the events in one world spill over to the other, and show how not just wizards, but all humanity is threatened by the second rise of Voldemort. That opening scene is the impetus behind Harry's need-to-know about Voldemort's past, as well as for Harry's retrieval of Slughorn's memory.And let's hear it for Tom Felton; he is truly incredible as Draco! (*pulls Trelawney's crystal ball over*) I see a few awards in his future... This post has been edited by fidelia: Jul 20 2009, 01:20 PM --------------------  |
|
|
|
 Jul 20 2009, 02:29 PM
Post
#15
|
|
|
Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 35 Joined: 8:53pm February 11, 2009 Location: Looking for the snitch!!! |
first off, i have to completely agree with fidelia. To me, this was one of Tom's best performances as Draco. Overall, i thought the movie was great. a friend and i went to a midnight showing, and the audience seemed very pleased with the movie as well. I thought, however, that they should've included the Gaunt family memory as well. It would have shed some more light on Voldemort's family history, and explain how he came to be at the orphange in the first place. But overall, i'm pleased with the movie and can't wait to go see it again.
-------------------- Life, is like a field of newly fallen snow. Be careful where you step, for every step will show.
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 20 2009, 02:47 PM
Post
#16
|
|
|
Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 1 Joined: 2:26pm July 20, 2009 |
QUOTE(dcs.maddy @ Jul 17 2009, 11:00 PM) Small things I missed: Well the real biggy for me is the fact that they had no funeral for Dumbledore. I mean, it really shows the depth that the students and teachers of Hogwarts had for him...well most students and teachers. The whole wand thing was good yeah, but it was also the place Harry and Ginny had their temporary break up, which is, in my opinion, a significant part also. Also the fight scene at the end where Bill gets ripped up by Fenrir Greyback they completely left out as with the meetings in the hospital wing, which was alas, another disappointment. One more. I was anticipating the scenes in which Harry and Dumbledore whitness the happenings of Morfin at the House of Gaunt through the pensieve QUOTE(dumbledore592 @ Jul 20 2009, 12:15 PM) I was thoroughly disappointed with the film version of HBP. My reasons are as follows. On the whole, the film had a lack of focus. The most important thing about the story is the potion book, the Half-Blood Prince, and the journey to discover as much about Lord Voldemort as possible. Instead, there were unecessary scenes added that were never in the book, a whole lot of unecessary snogging, and a lot of things thrown in that just seemed like filler. In the book there are 6 or 7 memories of Tom Riddle that Dumbledore shares with Harry. Now it would be of course impossible to show them all, but if it were not for some of the unecessary filler scenes in the film, there could have been a few more of these memories slipped in. The bridge scene in the beginning, the endless adolescent relationship scenes, and most of all the out of no where attack on the burrow scene, were all unecessary and could have been cut out completely, leaving about 15 to 20 minutes that could have been dedicated to the story of Tom Riddle. Seeing Tom Riddle's family in the books was one of the most frightening and interesting things about the series, and without it the movie suffered from underdevelopedment. I also felt that there was really no explanation for anything. A quick scene with Tom Riddle and Hepzibah Smith would have properly introduced the locket and the cup that turn out to be an essential part of the plot. I felt that the climatic scene in the end at the cave was not earned. The audience does not know why the cave is significant, and when they see Harry finding a locket, they don't really know why or what the locket even is. I think I am beginning to ramble, so I will wrap this up. To recap, I think the film failed at sucessfully preparing us for the final two movies. It is painfully pounded into our skulls who will end up with who in the film of HBP, but it is unclear who Lord Voldemort is. My favorite part of the film were the scenes with young Tom Riddle. It is too bad there were not more. These are the same points, more or less, that I have been discussing with friends since I saw the movie a few days ago. -No additional significant memories. Guant house is significant as well as the Hufflepuff Cup one. -No funeral at the end. Instead using a retread of the Hedwig Owl stuff but instead using Fawkes the Phoenix at the end. Tacky and lack of creativity. -Anticlimatic finding out of who the Half-Blood Pince was. Expected more since it is the title of the book/movie. -Lack of descent fight scene leaving Hogwarts. What about Bill's injury and people seeing Harry leave the tower? By the way, does anyone have a guess on how they plan on starting off The Deathly Hollows in the movies? The whole thing starts off with the wedding at the Burrow. Funny thing is that they decided to add the destruction of the Burrow in the sixth movie by the death eaters which was not in the book. I'd like to see what they do about this. It will take them at least 5-10 minutes now to explain the rebuilding of the Burrow in the next movie after spending 5-10 minutes adding its destruction instead of including stuff that was actually important and in the book. Definitely the worse of the six movies to date in my opinion. I was very disappointed and glad I took the family to the matinee showing. At least I can say that I managed to get some of my money back by saving it. The positives: Some fo the scenes were really well done. I apreciated them. The Ron/Lavender stuff was really good. Tom Felton did an awesome job adding dimension to his character. He should be nominated for a supporting actor award for it. This post has been edited by Derckert82: Jul 20 2009, 02:48 PM |
|
|
|
|
Jul 20 2009, 09:27 PM
Post
#17
|
|
|
Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 13 Joined: 3:10pm July 16, 2009 |
Not having the funeral didn't bother me as much as it seems to have bothered other people because prior to the movie's premiere I heard rumor that the funeral may be in the opening scenes of the next movie....I chose to believe this since I would hope the director understands the importance of Dumbledore, celebrating his life, mourning his death, and his overall impact on Harry's life and the life of the other students/staff. I hope that the rumor is true otherwise my opinion of the 6th movie may change a bit. I sort of believe the rumor though because this movie started out with the pictures being taken for the Daily Prophet after the discovery of Voldemort by Fudge, so I saw that as a way to connect the last movie to the first, hopefully that will be the same for the next movie and the funeral will be used as the connection between the two movies.
I loved how the movie really explored the characters different aspects, rather than Hermione just being the smart one, Harry the brave one, etc. They had more dimension especially Draco, Tom Felton did so well portraying Draco!! I would have liked to see more about the Ministry of Magic. There is a new minister, the muggle minister is informed about the happenings in the wizard world, and the minister gets on your bad side because he tries to use Harry, but then in the next book you appreciate him because he was tortured and eventually killed and still didn't give up Harry's location to Voldemort and the Death Eaters. I would have also like to see more about the memories that give Harry clues about what the other Horcruxes might be like when he visits the old lady and her house elf, etc. One thing I loved though, and I'm not sure if I'm making something out of nothing or if this is potentially significant, but when Harry touches the ring on Dumbledore's desk and it spins and all the images of Voldemort throughout the ages flash on the screen and then Harry does that wierd neck roll thing that Voldemort does and that Harry did when Voldemort was inside of him in the ministry in the 5th movie, and Dumbledore's eyes kind of focus on Harry like he's just realized something, and then all of the sudden after that moment I remembered that in the seventh book Dumbledore tells Harry he had a part of Voldemort in him from the night his parents died and that he was pretty much a horcrux and I took the ring moment in the 6th movie to be the moment that Dumbledore may suspect his or confirm to himself that Harry could potentially be a horcrux |
|
|
|
|
Jul 21 2009, 10:34 PM
Post
#18
|
|
|
Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 65 Joined: 2:08pm July 6, 2005 Location: New York |
"It is I the Dark Lord trust above all others...I will answer you; yes I will..."
I wish I felt like getting up and getting my HBP book to do the quote justice as Snape so eloquently tells Bella how much he is trusted by Voldy and why he has done what he has to stay at Hogwarts, but I guess that is what Yates said to himself too when he put this film together. I really was hoping that the "Spinner's End" portion would incorporate that wonderful word and emotional play between Snape and Bella. It showed how much Bella dislikes Voldermort's (most) trusted servant and how crestfallen she and the other members of her family that have tied themselves to the Dark Lord have become. The Dursley/Dumbledore interaction would have been nice to see but I really enjoyed seeing Harry outside interacting with muggles other than his loon family...A+ on that addition. I wasn't sure when I played the game before the movie came onto the big screen, if the Burrow scene was going to be in the movie and I have to say while playing the game I was upset about that little add-in. But, after seeing the film, I am going to say that even though it was a treat for those who do not have a clue about the magical "book" world of HP, those of us who surpass Sherlock Holmes knows that there was no way that would have taken place without Bella and Fernir having to truly "break & enter". Hello, charms, spells, The Order and even the Ministry...just not possible. C- on that addition. As for the additional made-up scenes and missing pieces to us book-crazed people, the movie does a great job of preparing you for the next films. Some good points: Lupin and Tonks together at the Burrow during the "Burrow" scene, knowing that she was quite a mess through most of HP because of love scorned. Showing Draco quite often in the ROR...let's be honest did anyone check to see if the diadem was in there? I did! Of course the scene with Dumbledore and Harry in DD's office and Harry did the weird head roll when he touched the ring. I also felt that it was telling us that ring is more special than just being a horcrux by reliving moments of deathly past. And though this upset me a bit, when Harry was in DD's office at the end of the film, he rolled DD's wand around and then picked it up; again another flash into the future. I am very much looking forward to the next two films, but I hope and pray andmabe with a cast of a spell, they will live up to the book and do the entire series justice! "I'm a wizard!" --------------------  When you stop dreaming, I disappear! |
|
|
|
 Jul 26 2009, 11:05 PM
Post
#19
|
|
|
Just Through the Brick Wall Posts: 6 Joined: 9:52pm July 31, 2006 Location: New York |
I agree with many that they should not have added their own scenes, because they sacrificed scenes that were key to the plot, like some of the pensieve scenes that help harry (and us) gain a full understanding of Voldemort and the way he thinks. It is important to understand where his hatred comes from and why Hogwarts is so special to him.
If the scene at the Burrow was supposed to represent how the Weasleys are in "mortal peril" it would have been much simpler to show Molly Weasley walking around worried to death with the family clock in her hands. Instead time was wasted and a confusing, unrealistic scene was created. Why wouldn't the death eaters take Harry then, if it was that easy, and bring him straight to Voldemort? The Ron/Hermione/Lavender thing was done exceptionally well, though I was a little upset the way Cormac McLaggen liked Hermione in a weird sort of way before she asked him out. The effect would have been more shocking if he hadn't shown interest in her yet, but was a jerk to Ron and Harry. Also, the idea of Harry knowing what to say to Hermione when she was hurt about Ron/Lavander is preposterous because Harry is a teenage boy who has no idea what to say to girls, even one of his best friends who he sympathizes with. The Ginny/Harry relationship really was done poorly. After they kiss, they don't show how they spent time with one another and how Ginny has come to be right up there with Ron and Hermione as the people Harry loves most in the world. Dumbledoore's death was sudden, as it should have been, but there was no after-shock. They didn't show well enough the hopelessness Harry feels as his ultimate protector dies. It felt more like watching a movie; when I read the book, I felt like I was living it; as if I really lost someone. They did show well, however, Harry's anger at Snape. I still thought the movie was pretty well done, even with all these complaints and thought most of the changes were made to convey similar points and spend less time doing so. It was still worth it to get to the theater 3 1/2 hrs before midnight and lay across 2 seats (due to surgery of a few days before the movie release) for another 2 1/2! [font="Georgia"][/font] -------------------- [font="Palatino Linotype"][/font][color="#000080"][/color] " 'She's like my sister' he went on. 'I love her like a sister and i reckons she feels the same way about me. It's always been like that. I thought you knew...'
|
|
|
|
|
Jul 28 2009, 09:18 AM
Post
#20
|
|
Spellotaping Monster Books of Monsters Posts: 2,500 Joined: 9:26am July 24, 2007 Location: I'm either in the Muggle Underground Forum or at the Hogwarts Express Roundhouse |
What happened to the Dursleys?
What happened to H/G becoming boyfriend/girlfriend after the Quiddich match? Where was the culminating battle? What was the attack on the Burrow all about? Why couldn't the screenwriter have been faithful to the text? This post has been edited by JohannMdlAmerica: Jul 28 2009, 09:19 AM -------------------- The last enemy to be destroyed is death-- First Corinthians, Chapter 15, Verse 26 The epitaph of James and Lily Potter |
|
|
|
