Harry, Luna And The Veil, The voices |
 May 26 2006, 03:34 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 155 Joined: 12:14pm September 6, 2005 Location: Denmark  |
I searched the forum and found nothing, so if this had already been discussed, please direct me to the right thread...
I was reading a thread on Luna and came across the fact that she and Harry were the only people who heard voices from the veil. Hermione was scared of it, and Neville and Ginny seemed almost enchanted by it (which also is quite interesting, but this is perhaps not the place for it...) Why, I thought... Why could Harry and Luna hear voices from beyond the veil when the other's could not? And then it struck me... because someone was actually talking to them! Both Harry and Luna have at this point lost someone close to them (Luna's mother, and Harry's mother and father) and both children are witness to their mother's death. As far as we know none of the other have lost close familymembers (apart from Neville, and his parents arn't dead, though it's somehow worse  ) Is it too far out to believe that those who had once loved them deeply (especially - perhaps - the mothers?) were trying to tell them something? I think it will be important that Luna too heard the voices. That Harry was for once not alone in experience strange things like he usually is (the basilisk's voice in CoS, the warnings from the scar, the images from LV's mind etc etc). This time, as with the testrals he was not alone... someone understood him and this person was Luna... Please respond... -------------------- "Don't worry, you're just as sane as I am" (quote Luna Loovegood)
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May 26 2006, 03:37 PM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 98 Joined: 10:02pm January 17, 2006 |
There is a thread on this already, convieniently entitled "the veil"
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May 26 2006, 04:13 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 155 Joined: 12:14pm September 6, 2005 Location: Denmark |
I read the start post of the thread and to me it didn't seem to be the same topic... but that's probably just me....
 But please respond on what I wrote... I actually spend time and thought on it...
This post has been edited by Urania: May 26 2006, 04:15 PM -------------------- "Don't worry, you're just as sane as I am" (quote Luna Loovegood)
"I don't go looking for trouble, trouble usually finds me" (quote harry Potter) |
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May 26 2006, 04:43 PM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 98 Joined: 10:02pm January 17, 2006 |
Aww... sorry i didn't mean to make you sad!
  I think it might have to do with how they feel about death maybe? Hermione, as you said, was afraid of it, and i can see her being afraid of death as there is no "logical" way to explain it, if you get what i'm saying; Luna and Harry had actually witnessed a death and they were not afraid of it, and it is entirely possible to me that they heard their dead loved ones whispering to them; ginny has come close to death and neville has probably accepted that his parents would never return, he may have even subcontiously said his good-byes to them, neither of them fear death either, instead they may be held in awe of it, knowing that it is so near. I wonder if this makes sense? (or if it answered your question )
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May 26 2006, 07:20 PM
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In Charge of Invisible Books of Invisibility Posts: 1,153 Joined: 4:46pm May 15, 2005 Location: Trying to make things work...  |
mm I think that Neville could her something too but he had not courage to say something. I think it's beacuse they actually have seen someone die. Not the others. So besides the understanding of death, they have witnessed death on a very young age: Luna saw her mother die, Harry saw his mother die, and Neville saw his grandfather die.
Edited: KewlKate, sorry I haven't read your poste before. I don't think that the spirist beyond the veil are good, otherwise why would lupin and the others being so interested on keeping Harry away from the veil? Why Hermione would have that feeling that it was no good to come close to the veil? This post has been edited by Mafalda Weasley: May 26 2006, 07:22 PM --------------------  This is it. Enjoy your reading!!! |
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May 27 2006, 04:15 AM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 155 Joined: 12:14pm September 6, 2005 Location: Denmark |
I think they all wanted to keep Harry away (and probably the others too had they come to close to the veil) because knowing Harry he would be so curious about it (just like with the pensive) that he would accidently lean close towards it and fall through - and woops no Harry anymore.
I think Lupin knew the danger, and Hermione sensed that this was something one should NOT be playng with. I think you're right, Hermione needs logic answers to everything, that's why she was so bad at divinition - she just can't cope with guesswork. Poor Hermione, it must have been terrible to be in DoM, most of what is studied there seemed to be guesswork... Funny enough, Luna seemed to be the only person who at no point (from they left Umbridge with the centaurs and forward) doubted Harry, she just believed him, and she never seemed scared, nomatter what happend... and she was only 14 at this point... wow... what a girl! This post has been edited by Urania: May 27 2006, 04:19 AM -------------------- "Don't worry, you're just as sane as I am" (quote Luna Loovegood)
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May 27 2006, 11:18 AM
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Disgruntled House-Elf at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 441 Joined: 12:23am August 8, 2005 Location: In front of my computer, funnily enough ... |
I have to agree with Urania - I don't think the spirits are either good or bad. They are probably what they were in life - a mix of both. But Harry was forced to stay away for the veil because if he stepped through he would die. I think that's a fairly good reason to keep away.
-------------------- By Makani - check out her awesome art at http://acciobrain.ligermagic.com/ The ULTIMATE title for Book 7: Harry Potter and the Half-Phoenix's Fiery Azkabanian Chamber of Philosophers |
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May 28 2006, 09:54 PM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 72 Joined: 10:09pm January 29, 2005 Location: United States |
[b][size=4][font=Courier New][color=#CC33CC] I was pretty sure that Neville had seen someone die, because in the fifth book I thought he saw the Thestrals. then again, maybe I'm wrong (this is from memory, and sadly I haven't read for a while now). Thinking on it....Harry and Luna have some weird connection (not romantically, lol). They're a lot alike, yet exact opposites. Luna has an important role to play yet, and I think if there's any chance of Sirius coming back, Luna is just the girl to make that possible....The veil is significant, and the mirrors are too(off subject, I know).
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May 29 2006, 02:35 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 95 Joined: 7:31pm May 18, 2005 |
I think that Luna and Harry would be the most curious about death since they have lost loved ones, which means that they would be listening for the voices and would hear them through the veil. No one else could hear the voices because they haven't experienced losing someone and would not be listening for answers.
-------------------- Luna: "A wrackspurt...they're invisible, they float in through your ears and make your brain go fuzzy, " she said. "I thought I felt one zooming around in here"
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May 30 2006, 02:18 AM
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Buying a Half-Kneazle Posts: 542 Joined: 11:57am August 8, 2005 Location: Western Europe |
It is not stated Neville was anywhere near the Veil (I think...). So Harry and Luna would be on their own.
-------------------- "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" Voltaire (1694-1778)
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May 30 2006, 10:17 AM
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Knockturn Alley Fingernail Vendor Posts: 793 Joined: 10:44am September 2, 2005 Location: Buried under a mountain of homework |
My view on it is that it's something like the mirror of Erised, which Harry is fascinated with because it's one step closer to knowing his parents, even though he will never be able to properly know them. He just wants to know them, and to talk to them. I think the whispers behind the veil are of people who have died, and Harry and Luna and the rest can hear them better than the others because they're striving to still have some connection with the people that they lost. The reason I think this is because of what Luna says at the end of the book; "Well, it's not like we'll never see them again, is it? ... You heard them behind the veil." She seems so confident and happy about it that I really do think it's true, or at least, she believes it to be true. And the veil is always fluttering "as though somebody had just passed through it", like it did when Sirius fell behind it, which makes me think that it's fluttering because people really are passing through it all the time, as people are dying all the time.I think Lupin knows more about it than he let on, however, because he seemed to know that Sirius was definately gone. I don't know how he could have known that without having seen the veil before himself.
EDIT: Because Harry is not one step closer to knowing his "aprents", and people "realyl" aren't going through it all the time. This post has been edited by Theoriser: May 30 2006, 10:18 AM -------------------- |
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May 30 2006, 01:50 PM
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Rat Spleen Restocker at the Apothecary Posts: 457 Joined: 6:42pm October 10, 2005 |
Harry, Luna, Neville AND Ginny heard voices behind the veil. I do think it is linked to the fact that these people have witnessed a death in their lives. This is a MAJOR clue. Ginny heard voices too! I think one of the Weasleys is a traitor. That is why Wormtail was able to live with them so long. The traitor killed the actual Weasley family member in front to Ginny and replaced him or her with a double. Who? Percy is the obvious choice since Scabbers was his pet. It had to happen when Ginny was a baby OR her memory has been altered.
Regarding the nature of the veil itself, perhaps it is a holding place for souls before they "decide" what to do next. Do they become ghosts? Do they go to "heaven"? Are they reincarnated and thus begin a new life on earth among the living? I suspect JKR would roll up all the theories about the afterlife into one big ball that is "The Veil". |
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May 30 2006, 02:07 PM
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Quality Quidditch Supplies Test-Flyer Posts: 1,275 Joined: 11:03am October 24, 2005 Location: Volunteering to ref the next Thunderer - Warrior game |
Neville saw his Great Uncle Algie die - that's why he can see the Thestrals.
QUOTE Ginny heard voices too! I think one of the Weasleys is a traitor. That is why Wormtail was able to live with them so long. The traitor killed the actual Weasley family member in front to Ginny and replaced him or her with a double. And Ginny couldn't see the Thestrals, so there can't be a traitor in the Weasley family. I don't think it is that they have had loved ones die but perhaps that they were close to death themselves - both Harry and Ginny have been almost killed by Voldy, and Luna may have been in mortal danger herself. -------------------- ~~Proud member of the Ingalwings Society~~ |
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May 30 2006, 04:22 PM
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WeasleyCast's Hostess With The Mostest Posts: 6,606 Joined: 2:44am February 20, 2006 Location: At The Burrow taking cooking lessons from Molly |
QUOTE(calalily @ May 30 2006, 02:07 PM) [snapback]836454[/snapback] Neville saw his Great Uncle Algie die - that's why he can see the Thestrals. QUOTE Ginny heard voices too! I think one of the Weasleys is a traitor. That is why Wormtail was able to live with them so long. The traitor killed the actual Weasley family member in front to Ginny and replaced him or her with a double. And Ginny couldn't see the Thestrals, so there can't be a traitor in the Weasley family. I don't think it is that they have had loved ones die but perhaps that they were close to death themselves - both Harry and Ginny have been almost killed by Voldy, and Luna may have been in mortal danger herself. Thank you, calalily, I made almost this exact same point on one of the other veil threads somewhere. -------------------- |
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May 30 2006, 05:33 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 34 Joined: 4:14pm July 25, 2005 |
as far as one of the weasleys is a traitor... to that i must point out Wormtail was a pet.. whos pet? take a guess. lol And WHO has betrayed the weasleys and isolated himself form them? PERCY!!!!!!!!! i think this ocul dbe a huge pointer in book seven, altho i also think percy could easily be under the imperius to spy on the ministry
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May 30 2006, 06:39 PM
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Quality Quidditch Supplies Test-Flyer Posts: 1,283 Joined: 4:05am September 25, 2005 Location: Submitting an application at Weasleys Wizarding Weezes |
Could Luna some how be related to Harry? we never hear (atleast I dotn remember hearing) anything about Lunas mother.
I dont remeber the veil (I read ootp a while ago and am starting the series from the beginning and am almost halfway done with poa) enchanting Neville and Ginny but what about Ron I know he was acting wierd but wasnt he in the room too? Do we know what the voices behind the veil said? I think they would have been warning Luna and Harry. -------------------- "Now, Harry you must know all about Muggles, tell me, what exactly is the function of a rubber duck?" Arthur Weasley
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May 30 2006, 08:11 PM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 76 Joined: 7:26pm January 3, 2006 Location: The Quidditch World Cup of Course!! |
I believe that Harry and Luna are always expecting some sort of signal from their loved ones that passed on. That is probably why they can hear the voices behind the veil. Remember it was only Harry and Luna that had their parents taken away unexpectedly. I know that Neville's parents were taken away from him, but they are sadly still alive. I know that Harry's deepest desire is to have a family, and maybe be reunited with his parents, and anyone that has lost someone truly dear to them will agree that there is always a little hope to have a last glimpse of their loved ones. Maybe that's why they can hear the voices behind the veil. They are the only two that have not had any closure. I know Neville hasn't had any closure as well, but I believe his closure will come when his parents finally pass on and the culprit for their tragedy is either dead or behind bars.
This post has been edited by vivianm: May 30 2006, 08:12 PM -------------------- Que viva Harry Potter
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May 30 2006, 11:56 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 190 Joined: 11:52am February 7, 2006 Location: Alberta, Canada |
Remember, in the first veil seen, that Harry went into kind of a trance while he was looking through the veil. He almost unconciously stepped through the veil. Hermione had to force him away from it. I think Ginny and Luna? had to be pulled away also. There is more than death to the veil - temptation maybe? Or something else?
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Jun 4 2006, 11:07 AM
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Hiding in the Iron Maiden at Borgin and Burkes Posts: 313 Joined: 6:42pm December 20, 2005 Location: Dancing around the living room |
What I think it is is that the veil is like the portal to the death world, and you can hear the voices if you've had a near death experience. We know that Harry has had countless near death experiences, from the night his parents died to trying to get the stone in book one to the basilisk fang in the chamber. And Ginny would have died in the Chamber with Tom sucking all of the life out of her had Harry not come and saved her.
Now we come to Neville and Ginny. I do believe that Bellatrix and co tortured Neville along with his parents when they drove Alice and Frank Longbottom insane, and maybe that's why he has bad memory. Even though they obviously didn't torture him as much, since he's still a functional human being, he was about two years old and not very strong. I don't know about Luna, but her mother was an experimenter so something could have happened there. It would make sense that people who had come close to death before would be sensitive towards death, after all, they'd seen death so close... -------------------- "When we have found all the mysteries and lost all the meaning, we will be alone, on an empty shore."-Arcadia, Tom Stoppard
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Jun 6 2006, 07:48 PM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 120 Joined: 10:39am July 29, 2005 |
I have always thought that the veil was in the Department of Mysteries because it resembles the place at the Temple of Delphi where the oracles and seers went to seek communication from the dead and prophecies. I think the reason why Harry and Luna were the only ones who heard voices is because they two have the talent to do so. I don't think it's an accident that Tonks asks Harry if he has any seer blood in his family. Even though Harry denies it, he actually has no clue whehter he does or not. I also think that this is the importance of Lily's eyes (and Harry's). Hers were an unusual color because that is one indication of a seer.
Luna has pronounced, protuberant eyes and appears to see lots of things others can't. Trelawny also has unusual turquoise colored eyes and is a true seer, though she doesn't recall her prophecies. I think some of Harry's dreams are prophetic and not just from his connection to Voldemort. (Obviously some are directly from the connection, the ones that are from Voldemort's point of view). I also think this will come into play in the 7th book somehow. Perhaps Harry will return to the DOM and speak to Sirius through the veil and that's why JK would not comment on whether or how sirius might return in another book even though he is certainly dead. |
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Jun 7 2006, 06:54 AM
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Firebolt-Polisher at Quality Quidditch Supplies  Posts: 1,053 Joined: 6:35am January 28, 2006 Location: In the North, helping out Krum find his way back to Hogwarts |
I agree.
though I still have a weird feeling in my stomach about Harry calling out Sirius's name and then Ron's which he hears coming from the veil.  don't like that prospect. Yet, I do think that maybe Harry's, Lily's and Luna's unusual eye colour might suggest they are open to things that may seem unconventional and we must not forget that eyes are the mirror to the soul, so it may tell us that they have the power of persuasion...  Nevertheless they all have the power to love... -------------------- *Sometimes the most important questions are the ones we decide not to ask* |
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Jun 13 2006, 06:24 PM
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Being Chosen by a Wand at Ollivander's Posts: 2,991 Joined: 7:59am June 6, 2006 |
QUOTE(cjopbj @ May 30 2006, 06:50 PM) [snapback]836442[/snapback] Harry, Luna, Neville AND Ginny heard voices behind the veil. I do think it is linked to the fact that these people have witnessed a death in their lives. This is a MAJOR clue. Ginny heard voices too! I think one of the Weasleys is a traitor. That is why Wormtail was able to live with them so long. The traitor killed the actual Weasley family member in front to Ginny and replaced him or her with a double. Who? Percy is the obvious choice since Scabbers was his pet. It had to happen when Ginny was a baby OR her memory has been altered. WOW!!! That is one helluva a conspiracy theory! But hey, it makes life fun...... QUOTE(LadyMugwump @ Jun 7 2006, 12:48 AM) [snapback]845774[/snapback] I have always thought that the veil was in the Department of Mysteries because it resembles the place at the Temple of Delphi where the oracles and seers went to seek communication from the dead and prophecies. I think the reason why Harry and Luna were the only ones who heard voices is because they two have the talent to do so. I think some of Harry's dreams are prophetic and not just from his connection to Voldemort. I'm re-eading the books at the moment and I'm starting to wonder is there more to his dreams I think you could be on to something. I'm beginning to think the M of M is located where it is because of the arch and the veil, that it's a kind of magical nexus. P.S: THE VOICES ARE AT HOGWARTS!!!!! (at least I think) Philosophers Stone/Sorcerers Stone Chapter: the mirror of erised Us edition pg206 UK edition Pg151 Harry hears a faint whispering from one of the books, I think this is a clue! He says it was like they knew someone was there who shouldn't be, In OotP The arch seemed kind of foreboding, Hermione wanted Harry away from it, It seemed like they shouldn't be there, I really think this is more than just a passing remark I think Harry could find some answers in the restricted section at Hogwarts! Didn't Jk say there were still clue to be found in the first book? I think this is a major one!!! --------------------  |
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Jun 14 2006, 01:47 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 80 Joined: 8:21pm June 12, 2006 |
JK said that the veil was used to communicate with the dead on the other side while staying safely on Earth.
-------------------- Those that know power, may only obsess about stealing more. ~Fen Avie art by Bastion. To see full artwork, go to page five and look at Bsuaey's request. |
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Jun 14 2006, 02:21 PM
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Being Chosen by a Wand at Ollivander's Posts: 2,991 Joined: 7:59am June 6, 2006 |
QUOTE(You @ Jun 14 2006, 06:47 PM) [snapback]853874[/snapback] JK said that the veil was used to communicate with the dead on the other side while staying safely on Earth. When? where? what Interview?????? I've never come across this & I really want to hear more of what JK said on the subject, thanks for bringin it to my attention well everyone's attention but knowing the fans here I'm probably the only one who hasn't read whateversource it came from 
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Jun 14 2006, 02:36 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 80 Joined: 8:21pm June 12, 2006 |
QUOTE(Azkaban's_Angel @ Jun 14 2006, 02:21 PM) [snapback]853930[/snapback] QUOTE(You @ Jun 14 2006, 06:47 PM) [snapback]853874[/snapback] [center]JK said that the veil was used to communicate with the dead on the other side while staying safely on Earth. When? where? what Interview?????? I've never come across this & I really want to hear more of what JK said on the subject, thanks for bringin it to my attention well everyone's attention but knowing the fans here I'm probably the only one who hasn't read whateversource it came from She mentioned it briefly in an interview. It involved the fact it was in an ampitheatre, the dais was on a tall staircase you had to climb up, and the voices.[/center] QUOTE(Azkaban's_Angel @ Jun 13 2006, 06:24 PM) [snapback]853060[/snapback] Harry hears a faint whispering from one of the books, I think this is a clue! In the sixth book, in the search for Horcrux references, Hermione slams the book Magicke Most Evil and it let's out a wail. She said that she had found it in the Restricted Section.
-------------------- Those that know power, may only obsess about stealing more. ~Fen Avie art by Bastion. To see full artwork, go to page five and look at Bsuaey's request. |
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Jun 14 2006, 02:50 PM
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Mischievous Manager  Posts: 5,459 Joined: 9:14am February 16, 2006 Location: Behind the sofa, watching Doctor Who |
QUOTE(You @ Jun 14 2006, 07:36 PM) [snapback]853942[/snapback] QUOTE(Azkaban's_Angel @ Jun 14 2006, 02:21 PM) [snapback]853930[/snapback] QUOTE(You @ Jun 14 2006, 06:47 PM) [snapback]853874[/snapback] [center]JK said that the veil was used to communicate with the dead on the other side while staying safely on Earth. When? where? what Interview?????? I've never come across this & I really want to hear more of what JK said on the subject, thanks for bringin it to my attention well everyone's attention but knowing the fans here I'm probably the only one who hasn't read whateversource it came from She mentioned it briefly in an interview. It involved the fact it was in an ampitheatre, the dais was on a tall staircase you had to climb up, and the voices.[/center] I think I found the interview you're referencing, but I don't see her saying anything about communicating with the other side, just researching death. From the Emerson&Melissa interview: QUOTE MA: Our third winner question is from Monique Padelis, who’s 15, of Surrey. How and when was the veil created?
JKR: The veil's been there as long as the Ministry of Magic has been there, and the Ministry of Magic has been there, not as long as Hogwarts, but a long time. We’re talking hundreds of years. It's not particularly important to know exactly when, but centuries, definitely. MA: Was it used as an execution chamber or just studying? JKR: No, it's just studying. The Department of Mysteries is all about studying. They study the mind, the universe, death… MA: Are we going back to that room, that locked room? JKR: No comment. --------------------  |
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Jun 14 2006, 09:11 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 80 Joined: 8:21pm June 12, 2006 |
That's not the interview (I think).
Semper Fi -------------------- Those that know power, may only obsess about stealing more. ~Fen Avie art by Bastion. To see full artwork, go to page five and look at Bsuaey's request. |
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Jun 15 2006, 08:27 AM
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Mischievous Manager Posts: 5,459 Joined: 9:14am February 16, 2006 Location: Behind the sofa, watching Doctor Who |
QUOTE(You @ Jun 15 2006, 02:11 AM) [snapback]854359[/snapback] That's not the interview (I think). Semper Fi OK... so can you find the interview for us? I'd really like to see it if you're right. -------------------- |
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Jun 15 2006, 07:06 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 80 Joined: 8:21pm June 12, 2006 |
I heard it by word of the grapevine. I'll go back to searching for it very soon.
Remember, I are you. -------------------- Those that know power, may only obsess about stealing more. ~Fen Avie art by Bastion. To see full artwork, go to page five and look at Bsuaey's request. |
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Jun 16 2006, 08:48 AM
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Leaky's Resident Borg Queen  Posts: 11,908 Joined: 11:45am July 25, 2005 Location: in space, the final frontier . . . |
Just a reminder to keep on topic. If you have questions, please include comments that further the discussion as well or use PMs. Thanks!
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Jun 16 2006, 12:50 PM
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Being Eaten by the Pea Soup Posts: 33 Joined: 12:37am May 27, 2006 |
Did Ginny actually hear voices behind the veil? All I remember is that she was ticked at Harry for lingering at the veil, and that only Harry and Luna heard anything.
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Jun 16 2006, 01:37 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 80 Joined: 8:21pm June 12, 2006 |
QUOTE(LadyMugwump @ Jun 6 2006, 07:48 PM) [snapback]845774[/snapback] Trelawny also has unusual turquoise colored eyes and is a true seer, though she doesn't recall her prophecies. She made the prediction of DD's death, and a lot of the things she says actually come true. She thinks she's a phony, so she makes herself one. -------------------- Those that know power, may only obsess about stealing more. ~Fen Avie art by Bastion. To see full artwork, go to page five and look at Bsuaey's request. |
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Jun 17 2006, 05:13 AM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 115 Joined: 9:04am May 18, 2005 |
I think its just to do with the closeness of the loved one that they saw die. Harry and Luna both heard voice because they lost someone very close to them, a parent, which makes a big impact on their life. Neville is "entranced" because while he saw his uncle die, an uncle isnt quite as close (though perhaps he still did hear voices, but didnt say anything about them.
I believe Ginny being entranced is to do with the chamber of secrets. She was in the same room when PART of Voldemort died. She was close to Tom Riddle, though not the current Voldemort. Thus she was entranced, but couldnt see thestrals because she hadnt seen a whole person die. Harry's mention of "Is that you, Ron?" is curious, and could be a foreboding sign. On the other hand, it could just be a demonstation of the realness of the voices to Harry, and Ron wasnt in his eyeline at the time, so he didnt know if it was him speaking or not. QUOTE "Cant anyone else hear it?" Harry demanded, for the whispering and murmuring was becoming louder; without really meaning to put it there, he found his foot was on the dais. "I can hear them too" breathed Luna, joining them around the side of the archway and gazing at the swaying veil "There are people in there!" QUOTE Ginny and Neville were staring apparently entranced at the veil too. Without speaking, Hermione took hold of Ginny's arm, Ron grabbed Neville's, and they marched them firmly back to the lowest stone bench and clambered all the way back to the door.
-------------------- I saw an evil snowman with an abacus the other day... boy, did he look cold and calculating.
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Jun 17 2006, 07:48 AM
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Leaky's Resident Borg Queen Posts: 11,908 Joined: 11:45am July 25, 2005 Location: in space, the final frontier . . . |
For clarification, JK explains on her webpage (bolding is mine):
QUOTE Why could Harry see the Thestrals 'Order of the Phoenix'? Shouldn't he have been able to see them much earlier, because he saw his parents/Quirrell/Cedric die?
I’ve been asked this a lot. Harry didn’t see his parents die. He was in his cot at the time (he was just over a year old) and, as I say in ‘Philosopher’s Stone’, all he saw was a flash of green light. He didn’t see Quirrell’s death, either. Harry had passed out before Quirrell died and was only told about it by Dumbledore in the last chapter. He did, however, witness the murder of Cedric, and it is this that makes him able to see the Thestrals at last. Why couldn’t he see the Thestrals on his trip back to the train station? Well, I didn’t want to start a new mystery, which would not be resolved for a long time, at the very end of the fourth book. I decided, therefore, that until Harry is over the first shock, and really feels what death means (ie, when he fully appreciates that Cedric is gone forever and that he can never come back, which takes time, whatever age you are) he would not be able to see the Thestrals. After two months away from school during which he has dwelled endlessly on his memories of the murder and had nightmares about it, the Thestrals have taken shape and form and he can see them quite clearly. -------------------- "That's why he fought. That's why he lived again, and that was the answer to Tam's question. I fight because last time, I failed. I fight because I want to fix what I did wrong. I want to do it right this time" -- Rand |
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