Harry, Luna And The Veil, The voices |
 May 26 2006, 03:34 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 155 Joined: 12:14pm September 6, 2005 Location: Denmark  |
I searched the forum and found nothing, so if this had already been discussed, please direct me to the right thread...
I was reading a thread on Luna and came across the fact that she and Harry were the only people who heard voices from the veil. Hermione was scared of it, and Neville and Ginny seemed almost enchanted by it (which also is quite interesting, but this is perhaps not the place for it...) Why, I thought... Why could Harry and Luna hear voices from beyond the veil when the other's could not? And then it struck me... because someone was actually talking to them! Both Harry and Luna have at this point lost someone close to them (Luna's mother, and Harry's mother and father) and both children are witness to their mother's death. As far as we know none of the other have lost close familymembers (apart from Neville, and his parents arn't dead, though it's somehow worse  ) Is it too far out to believe that those who had once loved them deeply (especially - perhaps - the mothers?) were trying to tell them something? I think it will be important that Luna too heard the voices. That Harry was for once not alone in experience strange things like he usually is (the basilisk's voice in CoS, the warnings from the scar, the images from LV's mind etc etc). This time, as with the testrals he was not alone... someone understood him and this person was Luna... Please respond... -------------------- "Don't worry, you're just as sane as I am" (quote Luna Loovegood)
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May 26 2006, 03:37 PM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 98 Joined: 10:02pm January 17, 2006 |
There is a thread on this already, convieniently entitled "the veil"
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May 26 2006, 04:13 PM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 155 Joined: 12:14pm September 6, 2005 Location: Denmark |
I read the start post of the thread and to me it didn't seem to be the same topic... but that's probably just me....
 But please respond on what I wrote... I actually spend time and thought on it...
This post has been edited by Urania: May 26 2006, 04:15 PM -------------------- "Don't worry, you're just as sane as I am" (quote Luna Loovegood)
"I don't go looking for trouble, trouble usually finds me" (quote harry Potter) |
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May 26 2006, 04:43 PM
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Cauldron Bottom Measurer Posts: 98 Joined: 10:02pm January 17, 2006 |
Aww... sorry i didn't mean to make you sad!
  I think it might have to do with how they feel about death maybe? Hermione, as you said, was afraid of it, and i can see her being afraid of death as there is no "logical" way to explain it, if you get what i'm saying; Luna and Harry had actually witnessed a death and they were not afraid of it, and it is entirely possible to me that they heard their dead loved ones whispering to them; ginny has come close to death and neville has probably accepted that his parents would never return, he may have even subcontiously said his good-byes to them, neither of them fear death either, instead they may be held in awe of it, knowing that it is so near. I wonder if this makes sense? (or if it answered your question )
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May 26 2006, 07:20 PM
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In Charge of Invisible Books of Invisibility Posts: 1,153 Joined: 4:46pm May 15, 2005 Location: Trying to make things work...  |
mm I think that Neville could her something too but he had not courage to say something. I think it's beacuse they actually have seen someone die. Not the others. So besides the understanding of death, they have witnessed death on a very young age: Luna saw her mother die, Harry saw his mother die, and Neville saw his grandfather die.
Edited: KewlKate, sorry I haven't read your poste before. I don't think that the spirist beyond the veil are good, otherwise why would lupin and the others being so interested on keeping Harry away from the veil? Why Hermione would have that feeling that it was no good to come close to the veil? This post has been edited by Mafalda Weasley: May 26 2006, 07:22 PM --------------------  This is it. Enjoy your reading!!! |
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May 27 2006, 04:15 AM
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Flesh-Eating-Slug Catcher Posts: 155 Joined: 12:14pm September 6, 2005 Location: Denmark |
I think they all wanted to keep Harry away (and probably the others too had they come to close to the veil) because knowing Harry he would be so curious about it (just like with the pensive) that he would accidently lean close towards it and fall through - and woops no Harry anymore.
I think Lupin knew the danger, and Hermione sensed that this was something one should NOT be playng with. I think you're right, Hermione needs logic answers to everything, that's why she was so bad at divinition - she just can't cope with guesswork. Poor Hermione, it must have been terrible to be in DoM, most of what is studied there seemed to be guesswork... Funny enough, Luna seemed to be the only person who at no point (from they left Umbridge with the centaurs and forward) doubted Harry, she just believed him, and she never seemed scared, nomatter what happend... and she was only 14 at this point... wow... what a girl! This post has been edited by Urania: May 27 2006, 04:19 AM -------------------- "Don't worry, you're just as sane as I am" (quote Luna Loovegood)
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May 27 2006, 11:18 AM
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Disgruntled House-Elf at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 441 Joined: 12:23am August 8, 2005 Location: In front of my computer, funnily enough ... |
I have to agree with Urania - I don't think the spirits are either good or bad. They are probably what they were in life - a mix of both. But Harry was forced to stay away for the veil because if he stepped through he would die. I think that's a fairly good reason to keep away.
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May 28 2006, 09:54 PM
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Professional Diagon Alley Window Shopper Posts: 72 Joined: 10:09pm January 29, 2005 Location: United States |
[b][size=4][font=Courier New][color=#CC33CC] I was pretty sure that Neville had seen someone die, because in the fifth book I thought he saw the Thestrals. then again, maybe I'm wrong (this is from memory, and sadly I haven't read for a while now). Thinking on it....Harry and Luna have some weird connection (not romantically, lol). They're a lot alike, yet exact opposites. Luna has an important role to play yet, and I think if there's any chance of Sirius coming back, Luna is just the girl to make that possible....The veil is significant, and the mirrors are too(off subject, I know).
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May 29 2006, 02:35 PM
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Perusing the Magical Menagerie Posts: 95 Joined: 7:31pm May 18, 2005 |
I think that Luna and Harry would be the most curious about death since they have lost loved ones, which means that they would be listening for the voices and would hear them through the veil. No one else could hear the voices because they haven't experienced losing someone and would not be listening for answers.
-------------------- Luna: "A wrackspurt...they're invisible, they float in through your ears and make your brain go fuzzy, " she said. "I thought I felt one zooming around in here"
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May 30 2006, 02:18 AM
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Buying a Half-Kneazle Posts: 542 Joined: 11:57am August 8, 2005 Location: Western Europe |
It is not stated Neville was anywhere near the Veil (I think...). So Harry and Luna would be on their own.
-------------------- "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" Voltaire (1694-1778)
"Harry witnessed Professor McGonagall walking right past Peeves, who was determinedly loosening a crystal chandelier, and could have sworn he heard her tell the poltergeist out of the corner of her mouth, 'It unscrews the other way.'" (OP30) |
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