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Harry Potter is Dead, The phenomena is over

coach View Member Profile	Jan 11 2008, 11:21 AM Post #1
WhizzHard Books Copy Editor Posts: 2,152 Joined: 12:18pm July 22, 2005 Location: Reading KSK, Deadspin, TheBigLead, and the Fanhouse.	This is not meant to be a depressing thread, I just wanted to put it out there. (Yes, I know it's not an original thought). Being now almost 6 months gone from the release of DH, I begin to wonder about the actual lasting power of the series. I know during all the high times and hullabaloo the popular consensus among most fans was that these books were here to stay. We all felt that these would become part of the lexicon of children's literature along with Dahl, Bloom, Potter (Beatrice); and many even felt they'd sit alongside Tolkien and Dickens as well. Now that we're past the point of revelation, I wonder, is it all over but the shoutin'? I, for one, think Harry Potter is dead. There is still enough money to be made that the hype machine will keep rolling on, at least past the point of the final DVD release. He's dead though. I think HP, as a work of literature, will fade to the point of being simply answers to trivia questions. The legacy of the fandom, particularly the ways in which the fansites were leveraged by the publishers and studios, will endure as a template for other works. That's Harry Potter's legacy, as a phenomena, not as a work of literature.

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blue4t View Member Profile	Jan 11 2008, 05:13 PM Post #11
Ron Weasley's #2 squeeze Posts: 2,807 Joined: 11:00pm July 13, 2007 Location: Ottery St. Catchpole	We don't know if Harry Potter will ever die. It's only been 5 months since the release of Deathly Hallows, way to early to tell what's going to happen with this series. People are still reading the books for the first time. People are still re-reading the books. People are still watching the movies. Heck, we've got two new movies left. People are still talking about Harry Potter, hence the new posts in this forum. Harry Potter isn't dead today. -------------------- Win-gar-dium Levi-o-sa Ron Weasley: He Does it Anyway.

secunda View Member Profile	Jan 11 2008, 05:24 PM Post #12
Gambol and Japes' Research Department Posts: 1,364 Joined: 9:49am November 10, 2006	It is more interesting to ask what you meant with trivia questions. there are many trivia questions: snape good or evil..... but in the whole well all those questions are one big one and i dare say this is not trivia. Maybe it was not even intended by Jo. But my question that has to be answered yet is: What did she say when she had Dumbledore say: It is our choices Harry that show who we truely are. (not an exact quote, bold ones mine). It was not said to sound like "we are the sum of our choices". Any comments to this? Today I had the thought that now all the learnt Professors are trying to place HP among digestible popculture. But in some twenty years they either are looked back upon as an unexplicable phenomenon(how could they hype books like that!) or they are recognized as a work of quality. At least HP has more content than Alice´s Adventures in Wonderland. (I read Alice more than once and still get annoyed by it). I know it is overused, the comparison to Shakespeare: But aren´t his characters all trivia and cliché? Stereotypes? This post has been edited by secunda: Jan 11 2008, 05:25 PM -------------------- Molly for Minister Lupin is lovely you can only be weak, if you are allowed to be strong. my fanfic:Eileen´s Curse Detector Junk Shop For a girl from Slytherin loving Snape would not be the bad-guy-syndrom.

Antonija View Member Profile	Jan 11 2008, 05:39 PM Post #13
Daily Prophet Photographer Posts: 875 Joined: 3:46pm January 7, 2008 Location: Macedonia	QUOTE(coach @ Jan 11 2008, 05:21 PM) This is not meant to be a depressing thread, I just wanted to put it out there. (Yes, I know it's not an original thought). Being now almost 6 months gone from the release of DH, I begin to wonder about the actual lasting power of the series. I know during all the high times and hullabaloo the popular consensus among most fans was that these books were here to stay. We all felt that these would become part of the lexicon of children's literature along with Dahl, Bloom, Potter (Beatrice); and many even felt they'd sit alongside Tolkien and Dickens as well. Now that we're past the point of revelation, I wonder, is it all over but the shoutin'? I, for one, think Harry Potter is dead. There is still enough money to be made that the hype machine will keep rolling on, at least past the point of the final DVD release. He's dead though. I think HP, as a work of literature, will fade to the point of being simply answers to trivia questions. The legacy of the fandom, particularly the ways in which the fansites were leveraged by the publishers and studios, will endure as a template for other works. That's Harry Potter's legacy, as a phenomena, not as a work of literature. Well I disagree with you, I don't know who said this but Harry Potter is alive while we are loyal to him and I know that he will never be dead 'cause we will never forgot him, I am saying for my self I don't know for the others but I believe so. HARRY WILL NEVER DIE 'CAUSE WE WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER HIM!!! This post has been edited by Iheartprofessorsnape: Jan 12 2008, 05:59 PM Reason for edit: Change font size --------------------

pranko holic View Member Profile	Jan 11 2008, 05:48 PM Post #14
Newest Housekeeper at The Leaky Cauldron Posts: 706 Joined: 6:14am September 29, 2006 Location: on a rocket ship on my way to mars	Well...possibly in a billion years when nobody reads anymore or when a big meteor crashes at the earth, then maybe HP will die. It will most definetly cool down, that's for sure. So did Lotr, until the films suddenly came out to remind everyone of them. I don't think Hp will die as long as hp related things still are made and stuff. -------------------- Galileo, Galileo, will you do the fandango? Thunderbolt! Lightning, and very very frightening. Donner, Blitzen, cabaret schnitzen. Grumpy, Dopey, Sleepy, Fart-face… Smack-head. And Kenneth.

JaneMarple9 View Member Profile	Jan 11 2008, 05:57 PM Post #15
Neville's Biggest supporter Posts: 11,831 Joined: 8:51am January 28, 2006 Location: On V.S.D.G.	I'm with the majority Harry Potter is still alive and kicking for me - he's alive ever time I listen to the audio tapes, every time I read the books, every time I watch the movies. Still two more movies to come and of course "the book which shall not be named/the Scottish book". There are new fans of Potter every day, and if I have any kiddies they'll be into the Potter series too So nope, Harry's going to be around for years and years and years ......

Amaterasu View Member Profile	Jan 11 2008, 06:53 PM Post #16
Getting Fitted for New Dress Robes Posts: 52 Joined: 6:09pm December 31, 2007	It's true that part of Harry Potter's legacy is that it's such a phenomenon, considering huge popularity, but that doesn't diminish its legacy as a work of literature. All of the hype it has had won't be what makes Harry Potter continue on in the future. It will be the quality of the writing. That's what makes me want to share it with others. One could say that it will continue on hype -- hype generated by the fans -- but in the end it is still the words on the pages that will make Harry Potter go on. It's definitely not dead. Chances are, most of us will get our friends and relatives hooked on the books if they're not already, giving Harry Potter plenty more readers in years to come. On a side note, I think you mean Beatrix Potter, not Beatrice Potter.

jaimedanser View Member Profile	Jan 11 2008, 07:01 PM Post #17
Leaky's Resident Luna Biographer Posts: 2,563 Joined: 10:05pm July 15, 2007 Location: Sitting below an plum tree, reading the latest issue of the Quibbler	I have to disagree with you, coach. Harry Potter is NOT dead. There's still all the movies, conferences, unanswered questions (that us obsessed fans just HAVE to know). There's PotterCast and Leaky and, well, all of us. Potter won't be dead until the Leaky Cauldron closes or all of us just suddenly decide to abandon Harry Potter. There are so many new readers coming into the books, and Potter still has all the fame it needs and more than it wants. Jo is still there for the fans, and is still alive and posting on her website. And, I'm sure all of us will make sure our kids and grandkids and so on are obsessed with Harry Potter. The fandom and the love never ends. HARRY POTTER IS NOT DEAD!!!!!! 'Nuff said -------------------- "Time passes in moments, which, rushing by, define the path of a life just as surely as they lead towards its end. How rarely do we stop to examine that path, to see the reasons why all things happen?" PROUD RAVENCLAW!!!!!!! ~avatars by theonlysong & Kaiser-Kun~

coach View Member Profile	Jan 12 2008, 09:44 AM Post #18
WhizzHard Books Copy Editor Posts: 2,152 Joined: 12:18pm July 22, 2005 Location: Reading KSK, Deadspin, TheBigLead, and the Fanhouse.	I understand what everybody is saying, and don't necessarily disagree, in context. Among people who frequent message boards, of which I am one, HP will probably always be a part of our lives. I'm asking in more general sense, in regards to the world at large. I know of many people who were huge fans, who rarely even think about it anymore. If that can happen to formerly die hard fans, what's going to happen to the passive people who've maybe read one or two of the books and seen the movies. It also has to do with the author's inability to let the work stand on its own merit. Her interest in controlling the interpretations and other details takes something away from the literary aspect of it. This comes from someone who in the past praised her work most highly for it's subtlety in regards to adult themes and issues. I thought she was a genius for writing things into the books that one could see if they chose, but if one didn't choose to see, they'd never miss them. It's almost like she's strangling the work. On it's own, it's brilliant. There is such a thing as tweaking too much.

DorisTLC View Member Profile	Jan 12 2008, 10:03 AM Post #19
Waiting for Wednesdays Posts: 9,150 Joined: 7:57am January 28, 2005 Location: Hiding from Hurricanes	Coach thanks for this great topic. For this piece of literature to thrive, it must meet the standards of "classic literature." (Not classic in the old sense, but in the timelessness sense, it's themes and ideas must be relevant in the future) There are several standards that "classic literature" normally has to adhere to. Many of these have been mentioned and I think one could write a doctoral thesis on this topic and not hit all of the points that can be made as to why it could be considered classic, timeless literature. This story hits on several major factors that should help it take it's place in the "great pieces of literature" category. Timelessness - The quality of the storyline doesn't decay in another time period. Character Archetypes - I admit that I love these characters, but they follow the archetypical structure of other great heroes, villains and sidekicks. Literary themes - Love/Hate; Bonding Friendships; Love conquers all; Coming of Age Story; Literary illusions; these themes will help the piece withstand the test of time. Epic Journey - Taking places over several years and in several locations. I am sure that once the cultural phenomena of this book has cooled, the intellectual study will continue. The intellectual study will keep the books alive, and the depth of the characters will help keep the books in the memory of students long after they have studied them. I also know that calling something a "classic" tends to be an opinion. I personally know that Moby Dick is an American classic, but I detest it. In my opinion, this series of books will be considered a timeless classic of World Literature, but again only time will tell. This post has been edited by DorisTLC: Jan 12 2008, 10:06 AM Reason for edit: Bolding topic points -------------------- avatar by The Rockin Leaky Staff, WWDD icon by JeffHPFan Tell us what Dumbledore has taught you!

hedwig2323 View Member Profile	Jan 12 2008, 10:14 AM Post #20
Doctor Filibuster's Junior Assistant Posts: 1,978 Joined: 3:07pm August 9, 2005	I don't think HP is dead, but I do think it needs to be allowed to rest for a while. I think the interest in HP over the long term will be cyclical just as it has been with most other pop culture phenomena. I do think HP has artistic merit above the level of pop culture, but that is only enough to keep a very small number of fans interested on a constant level. It isn't enough to sustain anywhere near the kind of popularity its had. I think the majority of fans will move on to other things for a while then a decade or two down the road there will be renewed interest. -------------------- "Bite me." -- Melissa Anelli (lol)

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